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Training of new Afghan recruits suspended, vetting process renewed
WaPo, via Stars & Stripes ^ | September 2, 2012 | Greg Jaffe and Kevin Sieff

Posted on 09/02/2012 7:35:37 AM PDT by Timber Rattler

The senior commander for Special Operations forces in Afghanistan has suspended training for all new Afghan recruits until the more than 27,000 Afghan troops working with his command can be re-vetted for ties to the insurgency.

The move comes as NATO officials struggle to stem the tide of attacks on NATO forces by their Afghan colleagues. The attacks, which have killed 45 troops this year, have forced NATO officials to acknowledge a painful truth: Many of the incidents might have been prevented if existing security measures had been applied correctly.

But numerous military guidelines were not followed — by Afghans or Americans — because of concerns that they might slow the growth of the Afghan army and police, according to NATO officials.

(Excerpt) Read more at stripes.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; isaf; nato; obama; obamaswar; obamaswars; taliban
NATO-ISAF finally waking up?
1 posted on 09/02/2012 7:35:45 AM PDT by Timber Rattler
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To: Timber Rattler

An American soldier should NEVER be forced to meet with an Afghani policeman, guardist, or official unarmed. To hamstring our soldiers with politically correct ROEs is murder, plain and simple.


2 posted on 09/02/2012 7:39:14 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Timber Rattler

Thank you Mr Odumbo for bungling another area of your responsibility and letting our troops get killed. FOR NO DAMN REASON!!!!!


3 posted on 09/02/2012 7:39:51 AM PDT by taillightchaser (When a dimorat says"The American people" the next words will be a lie.)
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To: Timber Rattler

We aren’t capable of vetting our own President, how the hell are we going to vet these rag-heads????


4 posted on 09/02/2012 7:43:29 AM PDT by Roccus
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To: Timber Rattler
The most recent insider attack occurred Wednesday night. Three Australian troops were relaxing at their base in southern Uruzgan province when they were shot at close range by a man wearing an Afghan army uniform, the vice chief of Australia’s defense force, Mark Binskin, told reporters in Sydney.

And then the Aussies apparently took matters into their own hands...

Hamid Karzai anger at Australian troops

5 posted on 09/02/2012 7:44:33 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Timber Rattler

The only change in policy that is needed is that all Afghan recruits are to attend mandatory target practice (where they are the targets).


6 posted on 09/02/2012 7:44:59 AM PDT by ConservativeInPA (The truth hurts)
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To: Timber Rattler

What? Seriously?? Why would this policy be needed? Gosh,,our Generals are always SO far out in front of potential problems. The blinding speed of their response leaves me in the dust. I can barely keep up with them.///

This is almost as amazing as their response to the IEDs on the MSRs in Iraq. They were on top of that within like, 5 or 6 years!//


7 posted on 09/02/2012 7:51:37 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: Timber Rattler

Why is the vetting process suddenly necessary?

We have a guy in the WH who has never been vetted and notice how that oversight has bitten us in the national ass.


8 posted on 09/02/2012 7:53:30 AM PDT by 353FMG (The US Constitution is only as good as those who enforce it.)
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To: Gaffer

Just drop the bomb. Drop it twice for that matter.


9 posted on 09/02/2012 7:55:07 AM PDT by redshawk (0pansy is a Liar and Hates.........he just hates!)
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To: Timber Rattler
They are what they are & will be until they die!!

Putting lipstick on these pigs is not going to change them!!

10 posted on 09/02/2012 7:57:38 AM PDT by LADY J (You never know how strong you are until being strong is the only choice you have. - Author Unknown)
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To: Timber Rattler

“until the more than 27,000 Afghan troops working with his command can be re-vetted for ties to the insurgency”

They’ll vet them for everything except being a moslem. A silly pointless exercise with an impossible goal. They are all rife with shady contacts, friends, family members, and all are moslems,,there for the money. The ones who will go sudden jihad will even LIE! (gasp)


11 posted on 09/02/2012 7:57:38 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: redshawk

Give me one ‘button’...you take the ‘other’......


12 posted on 09/02/2012 7:58:46 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Timber Rattler

My vetting process would include a private interview with giving the recruit a waeapon he thinks is loaded with live ammo.
Then burn some koran pages, spill some pig blood on him and describe mohamamadman as the pedophile he is. If he shows no
sign of aggression then he can move on to the boot camp phase.


13 posted on 09/02/2012 8:04:14 AM PDT by soycd
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To: Timber Rattler

My vetting process would include a private interview with giving the recruit a weapon he thinks is loaded with live ammo.
Then burn some koran pages, spill some pig blood on him and describe mohamamadman as the pedophile he is. If he shows no
sign of aggression then he can move on to the boot camp phase.


14 posted on 09/02/2012 8:04:30 AM PDT by soycd
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To: Gaffer

brother, greedy I’m not. I would give all the dang ‘buttons’ if I had them.

Too many of my Family suffered over the Afagan pricks and their revoluition. Just drop the dang bomb and end it.


15 posted on 09/02/2012 8:18:06 AM PDT by redshawk (0pansy is a Liar and Hates.........he just hates!)
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To: Timber Rattler

Why does this kind of crap never ‘GO ALL THE WAY TO THE TOP” during a Democrat Presidency but it’s always the President’s fault when a Republican is President? It’s a rhetorical question, I know the answer, “Democrats care more and just want to do it right”. Democrats are like high school bullies, they could give a rat’s rear end about the reality of what they inflict on other people... the ones not like them.


16 posted on 09/02/2012 8:25:51 AM PDT by dps.inspect (rage against the Obama machine...)
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To: LADY J
Lady J: It must of been ‘67 or ‘68, small boy at the time, my neighbor came home from VietNam. NO legs.

Dad, never came home.

I say wipe them out or get out.

0pansy is such the girly sissy to never do anything.

17 posted on 09/02/2012 8:27:14 AM PDT by redshawk (0pansy is a Liar and Hates.........he just hates!)
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To: LADY J
Lady J: It must of been ‘67 or ‘68, small boy at the time, my neighbor came home from VietNam. NO legs.

Dad, never came home.

I say wipe them out or get out.

0pansy is such the girly sissy to never do anything.

18 posted on 09/02/2012 8:27:31 AM PDT by redshawk (0pansy is a Liar and Hates.........he just hates!)
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To: Timber Rattler

After all this time, why are the Afghans not training their own? What happened to train the trainers?


19 posted on 09/02/2012 8:35:45 AM PDT by FreeAtlanta (christian.bahits.com)
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To: Gaffer

Wasn’t Petraeus in charge of training the Afghan police? Maybe he’ll write about that in his book.


20 posted on 09/02/2012 8:40:30 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Gaffer

hussein can’t even spell ROE let alone come up with a reasonable set. His are far more about appearances (big surprise) and political correctness than about military common sense.


21 posted on 09/02/2012 8:42:58 AM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Stop obama now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: Timber Rattler

In a culture where deceit and corruption is a way of life, and religious fervor and tribal pride demands atrocities, how are we supposed to “vet” anybody?

Unless by “vet” you mean “put them down like a rabid dog”.


22 posted on 09/02/2012 9:08:04 AM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: All; Timber Rattler
But numerous military guidelines were not followed — by Afghans or Americans — because of concerns that they might slow the growth of the Afghan army and police, according to NATO officials.

Obama's fault. They're trying to meet his political timetable.

23 posted on 09/02/2012 9:17:19 AM PDT by newzjunkey (Election night is 64 days away.)
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To: Timber Rattler
We started the insane trend of not allowing our guys to kill the enemy at will during Nam - it has slowly "evolved" to the point that we insist on disarming them until enough of them get killed so we can demonstrate "compassion" to the enemy. It sickens me that we punish our heros for doing their job and laud them, in death, for exercising "restraint".

The "blackest mark" against Col West is that he "erred" on the side of his troops - that makes him a real hero in my eyes.

24 posted on 09/02/2012 9:19:16 AM PDT by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: Timber Rattler

The goal of “building a relationship” is run-of-the-mill PC liberal claptrap. Some liberal who got through West Point came up with that one. We’re not there to make friends. That should never be the goal. We’re there to command obedience and instill fear if necessary. Afghan troops and police should never work side-by-side with American boys. And recreation with them?... Fuhgeddaboudit. They should only be allowed near our boys when they are out front, well downrange and out-numbered.

Vetting is another liberal joke. Are you going to vet a pitful of vipers in an attempt to figure out which ones won’t bite you? Please. Here’s LibWhacker’s vetting procedure: Our boys should make a big show of frequently burning or urinating on Korans, or telling loud jokes about smelly mohammadans. Anyone who doesn’t laugh or begins twitching, shoot ‘em dead on the spot. That’s not some armchair tough guy’s approach. We’re never going to be friends with these people. Demand respect and obedience. They actually expect that from us.


25 posted on 09/02/2012 9:27:22 AM PDT by LibWhacker (block)
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To: Timber Rattler

Vetting Afghan’s for military activities with NATO forces is like vetting Palestinians for military activities with the Isreali Defense Forces - it can’t be done.

The cultural and political trails of ethnic identity, and loyalty to it, clan identity and loyalty to it, Taliban and Taliban-like sentiment, and loyalty to it, crisscross and intersect like a spider’s web in Afghan culture.

It is impossible to vet an Afghan - “to appraise, verify, or check for accuracy, authenticity, validity” of an Afghan’s loyalties - in that spider’s web.

I believe that Western military leaders who say it can be done are either lying to us, lying to themselves, or ignorant (not knowing or not accepting what they know about the Afghan culture); and in either case unwilling to face the facts.

I believe that no matter how hard the West believes in it’s mission, a majority of Afghan’s do not, even among those who operate, and without treachery, as our allies.

I believe that once we are gone, a civil war period much like the 1990s will resume. Meanwhile the young Afghan men join up for the Afghan military, to get the training that they will put to use, when we are gone, and not in concert with each other, but in concert with whomever they share their true ethnic, clan or religious loyalties as their first loyalty.

The minority of Afghan’s who would really like to avoid that and who want first and foremost a “modern” Afghanistan will become the West’s latest political refugees, as their dreams die with our departure.

Will Romney admit this, and “let go”. He should. He does not have to own the project Bush and Obama worked for.

For our brave troops, it’s a sad fact. They still deserve honor for their noble and loyal service. They did what their nation asked of them. They are not responsible for the choices made for them.


26 posted on 09/02/2012 9:58:32 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: taillightchaser
"Thank you Mr Odumbo for bungling another area of your responsibility and letting our troops get killed. FOR NO DAMN REASON!!!!!"

I'm sure he and his cronies look upon these deaths as "workplace violence," just like they said the Fort Hood massacre was. I just pray I live long enough to finally see the truths about Obama and his administration come fully to light.

27 posted on 09/02/2012 10:18:19 AM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: newzjunkey
Obama's fault. They're trying to meet his political timetable.

Precisely. They're letting things slip to meet Obama's artificial deadline, and our people are dying because of it.

28 posted on 09/02/2012 1:49:03 PM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Timber Rattler

Gee, now what rocket scientist figured out that armed Afghan “allies” are a threat to our guys? Duh.


29 posted on 09/02/2012 6:22:48 PM PDT by MasterGunner01
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