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Y-12 fallout: winners, losers and lots and lots of blame
Knoxville News Sentinel ^ | 9/2/12 | Frank Munger

Posted on 09/02/2012 9:55:16 AM PDT by SmithL

No shortage of blame after July break-in

OAK RIDGE — For decades, protesters have gathered at the Y-12 nuclear weapons plant on the Aug. 6 anniversary of the dropping of the atomic bomb on Hiroshima, Japan, to call for a halt to production of nuclear weapons at the Oak Ridge plant.

A few days before this year's event, they got their wish. At least temporarily.

On Aug. 1, the National Nuclear Security Administration and its Y-12 contractor announced that all nuclear operations at the Oak Ridge plant, which enriched the uranium for the "Little Boy" bomb dropped on Hiroshima during World War II and has since played a role in the manufacture of every nuclear weapon in the U.S. arsenal, were being shut down.

The security stand-down was an extraordinary step, the first of many, precipitated by an extraordinary event.

Intruders hid in the tall grass

In the pre-dawn darkness of Saturday, July 28, three peace-seeking protesters — including Sister Megan Rice, an 82-year-old Catholic nun — slipped into the nuclear installation without being detected. They crossed a boundary fence, ignoring the U.S. Department of Energy's warning signs, and scaled the heavily wooded Pine Ridge on Y-12's north side. Upon descending the ridge, they presumably could see much of the sprawling government plant, including their ultimate destination: the Highly Enriched Uranium Materials Facility, which stands out at night like a white fortress with bright lights shining on it.

The intruders, who called themselves the Transform Now Plowshares, were wearing dark clothes and backpacks. In an interview, Rice said the three — the other faith-based pacifists were Michael Walli, 63, and Greg Boertje-Obed, 57, both military veterans — hid in tall grass as they watched a security patrol vehicle pass on two, maybe three, occasions before they crossed...

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Government; US: Tennessee
KEYWORDS: oakridge; sabotage; y12

1 posted on 09/02/2012 9:55:21 AM PDT by SmithL
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To: SmithL

When the Cambrian measures were forming, They promised perpetual peace.
They swore, if we gave them our weapons, that the wars of the tribes would cease.
But when we disarmed They sold us and delivered us bound to our foe,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: “Stick to the Devil you know.”


2 posted on 09/02/2012 10:01:45 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: SmithL

Pretty emberrasing to have such a sensitive target penetrated by septuagenarians.

OTOH they should have been shot on sight when discovered.


3 posted on 09/02/2012 10:03:12 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (obozo could bring back literal slavery with chains and still he will get 97+% of the black vote)
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To: SmithL

Was it N.C.R?


4 posted on 09/02/2012 10:04:15 AM PDT by KC_Lion (Romney, why do you have to be on the ticket?!)
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To: SmithL

Why is it, that liberal “peace activists” always target the actions of the United States, without regard to what caused the actions?

For example, liberal activists call the attacks on Hiroshima and Nagasaki war crimes or crimes against humanity, without addressing the fact that the Japanese started that war in the first place.

Activists had targeted America also, for the size of our nuclear arsenal. But, our arsenal was largely a reaction to the Soviet Union threat during the Cold War, and the Soviet build up of their arms. Here too, America is lambasted for having nuclear weapons, without any reference as to why we were building up our arsenal.


5 posted on 09/02/2012 10:05:11 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: SmithL

Little boy... the greatest peacemaker at the time. Necessary and needed.

You would have thought that the industry would have created a new little boy years ago of totally different “green” technology.

The electronics industry has a six month curve and we see it in Apple. Every 6 months its twice as good or half the price.

There is no reason why this industry should be any different and, accordingly, no reason that dirty plant should be shut down


6 posted on 09/02/2012 10:10:43 AM PDT by himno hero (hadnuff)
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To: SmithL
In a worst-case scenario, terrorists could have gained access to vaults where stocks of highly enriched uranium are stored and used the fissionable material to create and detonate on the spot an improvised nuclear device with a Hiroshima-like yield, Stockton said.

I'm fairly certain the laws of physics say "BS" on this ... they could make a heck of a mess, but they wouldn't get "Hiroshima-like yield".

Anyone else know for sure?

7 posted on 09/02/2012 10:11:54 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: DuncanWaring

TOTAL Horse sh!t.


8 posted on 09/02/2012 10:18:51 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1322 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama, a queer and present danger)
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To: himno hero
You would have thought that the industry would have created a new little boy years ago of totally different “green” technology.
The electronics industry has a six month curve and we see it in Apple. Every 6 months its twice as good or half the price.
There is no reason why this industry should be any different and, accordingly, no reason that dirty plant should be shut down

Are you really that ignorant? Just because ONE industry does it does not man that ALL industries can do it. Or are you expecting autos to be half the price every six months? How about homebuilders building homes that are twice as good every six months? Maybe food production? Steel manufacturing? Solar power? No?

Please quantify, precisely, how the enormously regulated nuclear industry can expect to have that kind of progress and growth within such immediate and constant periods, when their primary function (making an explosive substance) has not had a major advance in decades? (C-4 was basically invented in WWII, as well.)

9 posted on 09/02/2012 10:38:27 AM PDT by Teacher317 ('Tis time to fear when tyrants seem to kiss.)
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To: Teacher317

The electronics industry has a six month curve

Technology and knowledge is not different, its faster. you cannot compare it to home building.

Best part? The jews are the smartest people. If there is a way to make anything bigger or better, they are the Kings!

No time for a “teacher”


10 posted on 09/02/2012 10:44:09 AM PDT by himno hero (hadnuff)
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To: null and void

That’s what I thought ... otherwise Little Boy would not have been a “gun”.


11 posted on 09/02/2012 10:50:10 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: himno hero
You would have thought that the industry would have created a new little boy years ago of totally different “green” technology.

Are you really suggesting someone should have created a new, environmentally-friendly, radiation-free, fallout-free nuclear weapon by now?

12 posted on 09/02/2012 10:52:52 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: himno hero

We don’t want bigger, better bombs.

We want smaller, lighter more efficient and powerful bombs.

Who is best at small, elegant, efficient design?

The Japanese...


13 posted on 09/02/2012 11:00:20 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1322 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama, a queer and present danger)
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To: null and void

Transforming something that used to be too big to be carried by a B-36 into something that a missile can carry several of 6000 miles strikes me as “smaller, lighter more efficient”.


14 posted on 09/02/2012 11:03:13 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: DuncanWaring
Are you really suggesting someone should have created a new, environmentally-friendly, radiation-free, fallout-free nuclear weapon by now?

You mean besides a neutron bomb and an EMP weapon?

15 posted on 09/02/2012 11:05:48 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1322 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama, a queer and present danger)
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To: null and void

I wouldn’t consider neutron bombs to be “radiation-free”. ;-


16 posted on 09/02/2012 11:09:54 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: DuncanWaring

Yes, we’re pretty good at it, but bigger & better is in our DNA. We were blessed with a vast continent to conquer, the Japanese were required to make the best use of limited resources a virtue.


17 posted on 09/02/2012 11:11:33 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1322 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama, a queer and present danger)
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To: null and void

I do not think the Japanese can compete in the brains department for invention or innovation with a handful of jews. But couple them (once the jews have captured the idea) and you will have a hell of a product!


18 posted on 09/02/2012 11:13:13 AM PDT by himno hero (hadnuff)
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To: DuncanWaring

Not exactly, but there is very little residual radiation, no major property damage, and little fallout.


19 posted on 09/02/2012 11:13:13 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1322 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama, a queer and present danger)
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To: himno hero

If you put a bunch of Post-doctoral Physicist Jews into our nuclear labs, what sort of improvements do you foresee them making?


20 posted on 09/02/2012 11:17:30 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: himno hero

The Japanese have a reputation of being copy-cats.

Back in my misspent youth I had an assignment of reverse engineering memory chips, I was given samples from 6 manufacturers; 3 Japanese, and 3 domestic.

The memory cells of the 3 American chips were virtually identical.

The 3 Japanese chips each had a unique design.

Who’s a copy-cat?


21 posted on 09/02/2012 11:18:42 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1322 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama, a queer and present danger)
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To: DuncanWaring

It’s called the neutron bomb. The inventor was Sam Cohen.


22 posted on 09/02/2012 11:20:21 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: SmithL

From the article:

“What if the middle-of-the-night intruders in late July had been a group of armed-and-trained terrorists instead of a trio of pacifists bearing candles, flowers and the Holy Bible?”

Only Christians are enemies of the Feds, correct?


23 posted on 09/02/2012 11:25:37 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: DuncanWaring

Absolutely!

We will probably see it in demonstration when Israel gets topped up with the muslim crap and lets it fly.

Someone already created the neutron bomb, demonstrating that there will still be radiation... but the largest concern is how do you have a maximum effect device without a nuclear blast and its resulting radiation?

A green bomb is consistent with modern warfare and technology. All wars have been fought over ideas and land. (And women) Who needs all that nasty, dirty, telltale residual radiation all over their new acquisition?

If anyone could think it up, it would be the jew. You have to remember, the Jews thought it up for Hitler, and finished it for America. AND that was near 70 years ago.
How many technology/knowledge cycles have occurred since then? If anyone can think it up its those with the most powerful brains, the jew.

AND the Iranians think they are clever for being in the nuclear club by buying 70 year old jewish technology. Any fool can buy technology.... old out dated technology.


24 posted on 09/02/2012 11:27:35 AM PDT by himno hero (hadnuff)
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To: DuncanWaring

I dunno. Whaddya think I am? A genius? Creativity is creativity.

Maybe a way to sanitize the White House after Obama?


25 posted on 09/02/2012 11:32:35 AM PDT by himno hero (hadnuff)
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To: DuncanWaring

While unlikely I would not rule out the possibility in entirety. I guess it would depend on the amount of U235 available, if there was lots and lots then maybe if you were really clever and brought lots of C4 and a few molds then maybe a low yeild explosion might be within reach. Hiroshima like yield? I seriously doubt that would be possible. But a kiloton or two can do a lot of damage too considering all the fallout such a blast would make.


26 posted on 09/02/2012 12:00:51 PM PDT by jpsb
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To: himno hero

I’m afraid we are going to have to credit the Germans for the discovery of fission, German chemists Otto Hahn and Fritz Strassmann in 1938 to be more precise. And let not forget the great Italian Femmi for laying all the ground work or the French for madame Curie for her ground breaking work either.


27 posted on 09/02/2012 12:20:40 PM PDT by jpsb
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To: himno hero
Really? So knowledge in Mathematics doubles every six months? Solar technology is halving the cost every six months?

And then you toss in a ridiculous comment about Jews. You're clearly a freaking moron. Glad you put it on display for everyone to see.

28 posted on 09/02/2012 1:48:49 PM PDT by Teacher317 ('Tis time to fear when tyrants seem to kiss.)
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To: SmithL

Note that there is no information about punishment of any of the many DOE and Nuclear Security employees we pay, who are responsible for oversight of security at the Y-12 facility.


29 posted on 09/02/2012 1:58:56 PM PDT by HDCochran
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Oh they’ll go after Israel too, don’t forget.


30 posted on 09/02/2012 2:22:19 PM PDT by Monty22002
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To: himno hero
Whaddya think I am?

I believe you will be happier without an answer to that question which would be based on your comments to this particular thread.

31 posted on 09/02/2012 3:21:33 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1322 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama, a queer and present danger)
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To: HDCochran
Note that there is no information about punishment of any of the many DOE and Nuclear Security employees we pay, who are responsible for oversight of security at the Y-12 facility.

The head Honcho in charge of security was replaced and at least one likely several guards fired as well. The security is a contractor which is a huge mistake in itself. They need to put the processing plants under the DOD and have a true federal guard force with powers specifically limited to their facility.

Every year the protesters show up and every year they get more and more courage up to go another step. The security teams need to go to back to a use of deadly force posture when as in this case four security perimeter fences were cut to gain access. BTW one of the clowns arrested was wearing a UN Blue helmet.

I'm about 15 miles or so as the crow flies from the plants. Security was somewhat tightened after 9/11 but there was no excuse for this laxness. BTW funding for security had been cut to the facility and there were/possibly still are plans for more security force reductions.

32 posted on 09/02/2012 3:53:31 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: Teacher317

Go check your facts about the consumer electronic market and electronics technologies. Also, if you look back I believe I couched my words on the jews by saying per capita; they are the brainiest.

Go check the Nobel prizes they have obtained for the hard sciences.... for such a small percentage of the total global population. Then if you like, compare them to the number of muslims who have taken Nobel’s home. NO comparison. None. While we are comparing, Look at the Muslims ability to generate modern inventions useful to modern man. Ha! No comparison!

I’ll bet the jews ancestors were eating with golden cutlery while yours and mine were still eating with their hands!

PS...I’ll bet that total knowledge MORE than doubles every 6 months!


33 posted on 09/02/2012 6:13:52 PM PDT by himno hero (hadnuff)
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To: jpsb

Man o man, a person can get into many issues with a general comment. The jews are not the only ones with brain utility nor license to use them.... but on a per capita basis, they are a brainy lot!

I agree, most of the greatest discoveries for the foundations of chemistry, physics and maths were by others.... mainly westerners. Actually, modern man is the terrain of western man with the common thread of Christianity.


34 posted on 09/02/2012 6:23:26 PM PDT by himno hero (hadnuff)
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