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Dem platform calls for gun reform, but advocates pan draft as timid
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Posted on 09/02/2012 11:01:44 AM PDT by Sub-Driver

Dem platform calls for gun reform, but advocates pan draft as timid By Mike Lillis - 09/02/12 01:30 PM ET

The Democrats' approach to gun reform is far too timid and needs a boost of courage to be effective, some leading gun-reformers charged this week.

The draft language of the Democrats' 2012 platform – set for a final vote next week in Charlotte – argues that current safeguards protecting the public against gun violence are insufficient and urges "an honest and open conversation about firearms."

The document also calls for "reasonable regulation" governing guns, including laws banning assault weapons and requiring all gun sellers – not just licensed dealers – to perform background checks on potential buyers.

But – while the Republicans' 2012 platform addresses such hot-button topics as concealed carry, stand-your-ground laws, high-capacity clips and the reporting of bulk long-arm sales – the Democrats' policy statement makes no mention of those thorny issues.

Mark Glaze, director of Mayors Against Illegal Guns, a gun-reform group founded by New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg and Boston Mayor Thomas Menino, said the Democrats are being far too cautious.

"The platforms are largely irrelevant, except as evidence of how confident a party feels on a topic, and the Democratic language on guns is a terrific example of how completely they blow this issue," Glaze said Friday in an email.

Glaze said the Republican platform endorses policies that "the public, including gun owners, strongly oppose" – a reference to recent polls showing broad support for certain guns reforms.

"But at least they take a stand," he said of the GOP. "The Democrats mumble some gauzy generalities.

"That’s irresponsible, but it also happens to be rotten politics," he added. "It turns off their base, and it will not persuade one single Obama hater to sit this one out."

Most of the gun language in the Democrats' draft platform mirrors what was in the 2008 document, but the call for an "open conversation" about reform – something that's been all but absent for years on Capitol Hill – is a new addition.

The provision marks a subtle shift in messaging for Democratic leaders who have been reluctant to press for any gun reforms – or even hold hearings on them – for fear of a political backlash.

But the issue has been tough to ignore this Congress in the face of a long series of headline-grabbing shooting sprees stretching back to the very first days of the 112th, when then-Rep. Gabby Giffords (D-Ariz.) was critically injured during a rampage that killed six people in her district.

Indeed, the draft platform's call for a public debate on guns is pulled almost directly from President Obama's reaction to the Giffords shooting.

"Clearly, there's more we can do to prevent gun violence," Obama wrote in a March 2011 op-ed in the Arizona Daily Star. "But I want this to at least be the beginning of a new discussion on how we can keep America safe for all our people."

Democrats, in recent years, haven't always been open to such a public airing. Indeed, when the gun-reforming Rep. Mike Quigley (D-Ill.) arrived on Capitol Hill in 2009 and started pushing for a gun hearing from the Democratic leaders who then controlled the House, they turned him down.

"I never thought the issue would get to this point where we can't even have a conversation," Quigley lamented last month.

Perhaps with that in mind, even those gun-reform advocates supportive of the Democrats' 2012 platform are approaching with a good deal of caution.

Dan Gross, president of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, said the Democrats are taking "exactly the right approach" by emphasizing the need for an honest debate on the nation's gun laws. But he warned that there's been "a huge disconnect" between what Democratic leaders say about gun reform and what they do.

"If you can't even get a hearing, you have to question how much they mean it," Gross said by phone Thursday.

Even an in-depth and serious debate about gun laws would be ineffective, he added, if lawmakers don't enter into it with open minds.

"That's Democrats and Republicans alike," Gross said.

As was the case in 2008, the Democrats' draft platform pushes back hard against accusations that the party hopes to do away with guns altogether – a charge frequently sounded by the National Rifle Association (NRA).

"We recognize that the individual right to bear arms is an important part of the American tradition, and we will preserve the Second Amendment right to own and use firearms," reads the draft, which was approved by the Democratic National Committee's platform committee in Detroit earlier this month.

But the Democrats also emphasize a belief that "the right to own firearms is subject to reasonable regulation."

"We can focus on effective enforcement of existing laws, especially strengthening our background check system, and we can work together to enact commonsense improvements – like reinstating the assault weapon ban and closing the gun-show loophole – so that guns to do not fall into the hands of those irresponsible law-breaking few," the draft statement reads.

The NRA has supported more funding for the existing background check system, but opposes extending the filter to non-licensed gun venders.

Asked Friday if the group supports tougher enforcement of existing gun laws, an NRA spokesman declined to comment.

Gross said the Democrats' platform is a stark contrast to the GOP's blanket opposition to new gun restrictions. He accused Republicans of "shutting the conversation down" on behalf of the powerful gun lobby.

"How can an elected official responsible for policy write off the possibility of policy as part of the solution?" Gross asked. "It's galling."

Still, Glaze suggested the Democrats' apprehension in approaching gun issues is as much to blame for Congress's inaction as the GOP's opposition.

"This president has done nothing but expand gun rights, but the NRA will go after him with everything it’s got," Glaze said. "At some point, Democrats will figure out that silence is not a communication strategy."


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Reform = Control.
1 posted on 09/02/2012 11:01:48 AM PDT by Sub-Driver
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To: Sub-Driver
...urges "an honest and open conversation about firearms."

In other words, a sweeping firearms ban.

2 posted on 09/02/2012 11:05:02 AM PDT by Jagdgewehr (It will take blood)
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To: Sub-Driver

Go ahead, trample the Second Amendment too! That’s the ticket! I got a little pissed when I saw the “media” toadies labeling that last shooter as a “former Marine”. I don’t remember them labeling all of the previous mass killers as “former college students”. The “media” is scum.


3 posted on 09/02/2012 11:05:16 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Had enough of the freaks running the show yet?)
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To: Sub-Driver
Dan Gross, president of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, said the Democrats are taking "exactly the right approach" by emphasizing the need for an honest debate on the nation's gun laws.

Since when has any Democrat engaged in an honest debate about anything?

Where would one even find an honest Democrat?

4 posted on 09/02/2012 11:08:37 AM PDT by Zeppo ("Happy Pony is on - and I'm NOT missing Happy Pony")
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To: Sub-Driver

Yes, they need to be more aggresive and specific. They need to let the electorate know just how far they want to trample the 2nd amendment.


5 posted on 09/02/2012 11:08:47 AM PDT by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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To: Sub-Driver
Dem platform calls for gun reform, but advocates pan draft as timid

"Now that we have the economy back on track it's time to get some serious business taken care of".

6 posted on 09/02/2012 11:09:30 AM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: Sub-Driver
Reform = Control.

Anything a modern day democrat advocates = control.

7 posted on 09/02/2012 11:12:04 AM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: Sub-Driver

I know why it’s “timid.”


8 posted on 09/02/2012 11:12:43 AM PDT by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: Sub-Driver

How do they define “reasonable”?


9 posted on 09/02/2012 11:13:15 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: Zeppo
...emphasizing the need for an honest debate on the nation's gun laws.

In Democrat-land, this means shouting down your opponents, imposing your agenda by fiat, and jailing or killing anyone who objects.

10 posted on 09/02/2012 11:14:57 AM PDT by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
How do they define “reasonable”?

"Reasonable" = you give them all your guns, and they won't kill you.

11 posted on 09/02/2012 11:17:28 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Jagdgewehr

Forget about it, they aren’t going to be elected, so forget about it


12 posted on 09/02/2012 11:18:12 AM PDT by wax wing
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To: Sub-Driver

What part of “The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.” don’t these imbeciles get?

ALL gun laws are unconstitutional.


13 posted on 09/02/2012 11:19:19 AM PDT by Emperor Palpatine (I need a good stiff drink. How 'bout you?)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

They didn’t call Nidal Hasan at Ft Hood an Islamic terrorist, either,

But that’s what he is.


14 posted on 09/02/2012 11:20:59 AM PDT by Emperor Palpatine (I need a good stiff drink. How 'bout you?)
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To: Sub-Driver

“Go ahead. Make my day.”


15 posted on 09/02/2012 11:22:02 AM PDT by Noumenon (“...the other side wants everything in America to be free, except us.” Paul Ryan)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

Unilateral disarmament


16 posted on 09/02/2012 11:22:08 AM PDT by Emperor Palpatine (I need a good stiff drink. How 'bout you?)
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To: Sub-Driver

How about government reform?


17 posted on 09/02/2012 11:22:24 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Sub-Driver

Democrats always have to lie about their true intentions. If people ever got the straight scoop, they would reject them out of hand. However, we can never rest. Just look at how effective the Dems have been in making homosexuality acceptable in the last 10 years. They never rest until they achieve their objectives. We must fight them on every point and never give them an inch when it comes to gun rights or any other issue. Just when we think we have delivered the knockout punch, they rise again like some hungry zombie.
The price of freedom is eternal vigilance. It all gets very tiring, but we are running a marathon, not doing a 100 yard sprint.


18 posted on 09/02/2012 11:23:31 AM PDT by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: Steely Tom

Nothing like firing up one of the biggest single issue voting blocks for the opposition.


19 posted on 09/02/2012 11:23:31 AM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: Steely Tom
In Democrat-land, this means shouting down your opponents, imposing your agenda by fiat, and jailing or killing anyone who objects.

Precisely. Can't add a thing to that.

20 posted on 09/02/2012 11:31:44 AM PDT by Noumenon (“...the other side wants everything in America to be free, except us.” Paul Ryan)
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To: Sub-Driver

They took all our other rights.

Why not the 2nd Amendment?


21 posted on 09/02/2012 11:32:31 AM PDT by Tzimisce (THIS SUCKS)
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To: ArrogantBustard
"Reasonable" = you give them all your guns, and they won't kill you. ...

...for at least a week.

When the Cambrian measures were forming, They promised perpetual peace.
They swore, if we gave them our weapons, that the wars of the tribes would cease.
But when we disarmed They sold us and delivered us bound to our foe,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: "Stick to the Devil you know."

22 posted on 09/02/2012 11:42:48 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Sub-Driver

They want a ban, but they can’t say they want a ban. Talk is cheap. The votes show their stance. Eric Holder supported the DC ban and wrote an amicus brief for it.


23 posted on 09/02/2012 12:09:40 PM PDT by Darren McCarty (Holding my nose one more time to get rid of Eric Holder)
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To: Sub-Driver

1) evolution out of science books
2) prayer back in schools
3) Should we HAVE public schools?

... then we’ll talk about guns.


24 posted on 09/02/2012 1:08:36 PM PDT by ROTB (Live holy, forgive all & pray in Jesus' name. Trust He is willing & able & eager to ANSWER BIG!)
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To: All
I think the first thing they should include as the "gun control plank" in the DNC platform is, "Don't sell guns to the drug cartels in Mexico... Or at least, don't get caught doing it."

That would be a good place to start.

Mark

25 posted on 09/02/2012 1:29:08 PM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: Sub-Driver

FUBO you lyin sack of human excrement. A $hit Stain in American History.


26 posted on 09/02/2012 1:34:01 PM PDT by Renegade
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To: Sub-Driver

This is one of the reasons why this week’s Dems convention in Charlotte will be nothing more than a FREAK SHOW.


27 posted on 09/02/2012 4:03:06 PM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Biggirl
LOL..Conjured up a vision of little vans scurrying about with Fags R Us painted on the side.....☺
28 posted on 09/02/2012 6:21:05 PM PDT by Quickgun (Second Amendment. The only one you can put your hands on.)
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To: Zeppo
Since when has any Democrat engaged in an honest debate about anything?

Zell Miller. And that was when he broke with the DNC.

29 posted on 09/02/2012 6:23:49 PM PDT by Antoninus II
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To: Jagdgewehr

exactly! the definition of Dem in the dictionary is basterds!


30 posted on 09/02/2012 7:44:03 PM PDT by BrianE ("Dead at 25 buried at 65 the average American" - Benjamin Franklin 1776)
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To: Sub-Driver
"This president has done nothing but expand gun rights,...

Lost me here. I'm not aware of anything that Obama has done to recognize our 2nd amendment rights.

Is he referring to "Fast and Furious?"

31 posted on 09/02/2012 7:56:38 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Sub-Driver
"This president has done nothing but expand gun rights,...

0bama has expanded gun rights to Mexican drug cartels. And he also gave them the guns. So Glaze's statement is actually true.

5.56mm

32 posted on 09/02/2012 8:11:33 PM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: 3Fingas

But this time, they are going down for the count.


33 posted on 09/03/2012 3:01:53 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Biggirl

They may lose this election, but, at best, all we are doing is binding this zombie for a little while. We need a cure to fix their particular brand of stupid. None is on the horizon.


34 posted on 09/03/2012 3:48:13 AM PDT by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: Sub-Driver
I agree, the democrats should go full bore for enacting “gun control”. As DiFi likes to say, “ban them all”. That will be a winner with the American people.
35 posted on 09/03/2012 2:15:20 PM PDT by HenpeckedCon (What pi$$es me off the most is that POS commie will get a State Funeral!)
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