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Lance's elaborate scam revealed
http://www.theaustralian.com.au ^ | September 02 2012 | D Walsh

Posted on 09/02/2012 12:35:04 PM PDT by Para-Ord.45

Despite a truckload of evidence, most of which will eventually find its way into the public domain, many still refuse to accept that Armstrong doped. He passed all those tests, they say, ignoring that he tested positive at the 1999 Tour de France, a problem solved through a backdated medical prescription. The believers also ignore the finding of six EPO positives from the 1999 Tour when Armstrong's samples were retrospectively tested.

"The tests are easy to beat. We're way, way ahead of the tests. They've got their doctors and we've got ours, and ours are better. Better paid, for sure."

Even the dimmest need spend only a millisecond researching what USADA have on Armstrong to know it is direct evidence, not hearsay.

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Quick everyone !

To the OJ Simpson defensemobile !

" His prints aren`t on the knife so the overwhelming circumstantial evidence AND positive tests do not count !"

1 posted on 09/02/2012 12:35:09 PM PDT by Para-Ord.45
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To: Para-Ord.45

Lance Armstrong is guilty. There’s no doubt except those in fairy tale land.


2 posted on 09/02/2012 12:37:09 PM PDT by jb729
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To: jb729

Aw come on !

Hamilton is just bitter he caught nabbed and doesn`t care is he loses a liable suit. Misery loves company/sarc off


3 posted on 09/02/2012 12:39:04 PM PDT by Para-Ord.45
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To: Para-Ord.45

I’d love to know how the Chinese are getting by with it. I am convinced they are doping.

One of the most interesting PBS specials I ever saw:

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/secrets/episodes/doping-for-gold-2/42/


4 posted on 09/02/2012 12:39:32 PM PDT by I still care (I miss my friends, bagels, and the NYC skyline - but not the taxes. I love the South.)
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To: Para-Ord.45

* got caught/nabbed


5 posted on 09/02/2012 12:39:37 PM PDT by Para-Ord.45
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To: jb729
Lance Armstrong is guilty. There’s no doubt except those in fairy tale land.

It remains, sad to say, pretty heavily populated.

6 posted on 09/02/2012 12:42:18 PM PDT by DSH
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To: Para-Ord.45

I assumed for years that Lance wasn’t clean, but I did enjoy watching him race. At that level of racing, I bet there were only a handful who weren’t juiced.

Having said that, he is a cheat, period.

I think he would have gotten away with it, if not for his personality. What gets me in this whole situation, is how it seems EVERY person who has rode with him, or worked for him, HATES HIM. He must be a real ass in person. I’m sure some were just jealous, but my God, that doesn’t explain the actions of all the others.

As long as the money in pro sports is as excessive as it is, there will always be cheaters, always.


7 posted on 09/02/2012 12:42:36 PM PDT by Sporke (USS Iowa BB-61)
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To: GBT1945

Never fails, those that can’t do, CHEAT, and make millions off their story and when caught, LIE, to protect those millions.


9 posted on 09/02/2012 12:44:34 PM PDT by jb729
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To: Para-Ord.45

That’s probably a pretty good story for people who subscribe to the Australian....for the rest of us, not so much.


11 posted on 09/02/2012 12:50:13 PM PDT by JoeDetweiler
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To: Para-Ord.45
"The tests are easy to beat. We're way, way ahead of the tests.

It's possible and likely that they all cheat. So why strip one cheater of his titles if it means rewarding another?

12 posted on 09/02/2012 12:58:12 PM PDT by South40 ("Islam has a proud tradition of tolerance." Hussein Obama, Cairo, Egypt, June 4, 2009)
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To: South40

That’s what I don’t get. They say he cheated even though he passed all the tests. Therefore, the tests are meaningless. If Armstrong can pass the test even though he is cheating, can’t everyone else as well? Yet, they haven’t sent a witch hunt after them. Why?


13 posted on 09/02/2012 1:02:11 PM PDT by KansasGirl ("If you have a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen."--B. Hussein Obama)
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To: GBT1945
Over 500 drugs tests, passed them all, he is one hell of a cheater. And I bet you have only been second to Jesus in your life...

The "500 drugs test" thing is a product of the Armstrong's PR machine, and has no basis in reality. One will look in vain for any verification of it.

The "in competition" tests are easily beaten. And, even there, Armstrong failed on some occasions to beat them. He tested positive during the 1999 Tour (although his after-the-fact "explanation" for the positive was accepted by, ahem, that those dastardly French who were otherwise "always out to get him.")

He also tested positive during the 2001 Tour de Suisse, but that failed test was "made to go away" by officials within the UCI.

Samples taken from Armstrong from the 1999 Tour de France were tested some years later after a urine test for EPO was developed. His samples produced "positives" in six instances (although, he could not sanctioned after the fact since the protocol would not allow for such under those circumstances). Even today there is news developing that other Armstrong samples, tested by USADA in recent times, have produced positive results, although that is yet to be confirmed.

As for out-of-competition testing, it has come to light in recent times that Armstrong was given advance warning of when the testers would be coming. The depth of the corruption within the UCI, which has been protecting Armstrong since 1999, is breathtaking in its scope.

What some people think is the reality here, and what is the reality here, is separated by light-years.

14 posted on 09/02/2012 1:04:04 PM PDT by DSH
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To: Para-Ord.45
"Even the dimmest need spend only a millisecond researching what USADA have on Armstrong to know it is direct evidence, not hearsay."

And what evidence is that? And why did it take so many years AFTER he won seven in a row to produce this direct evidence? Did the USADA withhold all the "real" tests where Lance was clearly "positive" for doping? Doesn't the fact that he was tested HUNDREDS of times during the time of his racing and was never found to be cheating put into question EVERY SINGLE TEST GIVEN TO EVERY OTHER WINNER OF THE TOUR DE FRANCE?

How does this not invalidate ALL previous wins of ALL racers?

If Lance cheated then EVERYONE could have cheated so we can either conclude the race has never been legitimate or just accept the results as they are and move on.

What a joke this is. If Lance cheated NO CREDIBLE EVIDENCE EXISTED AT THE TIME TO PROVE HE DID. Lance Armstrong remains the greatest cyclist ever to live, period.

15 posted on 09/02/2012 1:04:17 PM PDT by precisionshootist
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To: Para-Ord.45

I’m a fan, therefore I don’t believe he’s guilty.

I’m also a Elvis fan, therefore I don’t believe he was a druggie!


16 posted on 09/02/2012 1:04:44 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: KansasGirl
If Armstrong can pass the test even though he is cheating, can’t everyone else as well?

Yes. So strip him of his titles and they go to whom? Another cheater? Would that fix things? For some, the answer seems to be yes.

17 posted on 09/02/2012 1:07:27 PM PDT by South40 ("Islam has a proud tradition of tolerance." Hussein Obama, Cairo, Egypt, June 4, 2009)
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To: I still care

They are probably doping, but they are also getting the kids from the earliest moment possible.

These kids will end up impoverished, because they will be thrown away from the state when the state is finished with them.


18 posted on 09/02/2012 1:07:48 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: precisionshootist
You said!
19 posted on 09/02/2012 1:07:57 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: Para-Ord.45

Lance Armstrong is the greatest cyclist ever, therefore he’s not guilty!


20 posted on 09/02/2012 1:09:51 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: jb729

Guilty of being a U.S. citizen. Maybe he is guilty, but they have convicted him without proof. And the fact is, if they had proof back then, why didn’t they stop him then? The fact that they didn’t find new evidence, and got frustrated and decided to change the rules many years later is a strong indictment of them. If Armstrong was from any other country on earth, this wouldn’t be happening.


21 posted on 09/02/2012 1:11:18 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: Para-Ord.45; Revolting cat!; KansasGirl

All I know is if that you spend that much time in France you are going to surrender at some point.


24 posted on 09/02/2012 1:13:56 PM PDT by bigheadfred
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To: DSH; GBT1945
He tested positive during the 1999 Tour

If he tested positive in 1999, why wasn't he disqualified then? That body is a total joke, if they can't come up with some consistent policy. And clearly they can't. They aren't judging everyone by the same rules. They have no idea what they are doing. If they can only decide 7 years after his last Tour De France victory, they don't know what they are doing. Their policy is only based on who you are, not what you did.

25 posted on 09/02/2012 1:15:56 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: bigheadfred

lol


26 posted on 09/02/2012 1:18:33 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Para-Ord.45

The USADA gang needs to lay out their evidence, and make sure it falls within the scope of their own rules. So far, I have seen neither, although this article does lay out more direct charges of failing tests.

I have no dog in this hunt, but from where I sit, USADA appears to have violated their own rules in order to “strip” him of titles (over which they apparently do not have authority). One such rule is their “statute of limitations”, as I understand the situation.

Beyond the abuse of power represented by such behavior on part of USADA (if true), I couldn’t care less whether Armstrong keeps his titles. But abuse of authority always gets to me!


28 posted on 09/02/2012 1:24:04 PM PDT by MortMan (Laughter is the best medicine, especially when ridiculing your enemies.)
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To: jb729

Your relentless rant is meaningless conjecture.


29 posted on 09/02/2012 1:26:27 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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>> evidence [that] will eventually find its way into the public domain,

>> The believers also ignore

The author is a dick.


30 posted on 09/02/2012 1:28:51 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: Sporke

The sad thing is, that “level” is a fantasy nowadays it seems. They aren’t competing in any normal sense. It’s a battle of who has the best scheme, the best dope, the best doctors, the most people on their side covering for them. Drugs today are sophisticated, they have blood transfusions. I read a very enlightening article in Outside magazine online, a review of the book “The Silent Race” by Tyler Hamilton. Damning.
It’s just sad. Watching the Tour back in the days of Eddie Merckx was enthralling.


31 posted on 09/02/2012 1:32:52 PM PDT by visualops (artlife.us)
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To: Para-Ord.45

To compare an accusation of cheating with an accusation of murder reveals a mindless and unreasoning bias that takes too much pleasure in retaining.

If the doping tests are so easy to beat one might wonder why everyone doesn’t beat them.

Having been the target of false accusations of serious wrong doing I can appreciate the frustration and futility of trying to counter the endless smears.


32 posted on 09/02/2012 1:33:13 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: JoeDetweiler

http://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-adventure/media/books/Lance-Armstrong-Case-Closed.html


33 posted on 09/02/2012 1:34:09 PM PDT by visualops (artlife.us)
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To: Gene Eric

....and Australian.


34 posted on 09/02/2012 1:36:57 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 ( Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: MortMan
Beyond the abuse of power represented by such behavior on part of USADA (if true), I couldn’t care less whether Armstrong keeps his titles.

So who are they going to give his titles to ? Follow the money.

35 posted on 09/02/2012 1:38:55 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 ( Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: DSH; GBT1945

Personally, I think Armstrong is kind of a jerk, but that’s no justification for making special rules to punish him.


36 posted on 09/02/2012 1:38:55 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: DSH
Bloody stupid discussion. The only thing that is interesting is whether USADA comes up with physical/chemical evidence or not. USADA is not able to present what they've got until the other hearings are over, so we'll wait.

If they do come up with real physical/chemical evidence, good, then they've beaten LA fair and square, and taken a step forward towards clean sports. On the other hand if all the evidence that is presented is of the same sub-par standard that we've seen so far, then USADA has seriously damaged themselves and the fight against doping.

To those who writes about conspiracy theories about corruption within the UCI should also be aware that there is a turf fight between UCI and USADA - lots of money at stake. Not a proof one way or another, but reason to be a little careful before evidence has been put forward.

37 posted on 09/02/2012 1:40:32 PM PDT by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: MortMan
Well, that was quick. I went looking for the REASON for this OLYMPIC sized mess, and guess what I found ?

Sheryl Crow Gave USADA Information About Lance Armstrong’s Alleged Doping

38 posted on 09/02/2012 1:41:26 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 ( Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: nickcarraway

One of the drugs was actually found when tested in 2005 I think. in 1999 there was no test for EPO. which I would have to go back and see what the stuff is.


39 posted on 09/02/2012 1:47:53 PM PDT by visualops (artlife.us)
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To: JoeDetweiler

I meant to post this link-

http://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-adventure/media/books/Keyes-hamilton-the-secret-race.html


40 posted on 09/02/2012 1:49:01 PM PDT by visualops (artlife.us)
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To: visualops

Why wasn’t he disqualified back then?


41 posted on 09/02/2012 1:52:36 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: GBT1945

“I also heard he didn’t really have cancer, he faked it so they could take his balls of to make him more aerodynamic”

i know you’re being facetious, but did he father any children after his bout with testicular cancer, or were all born before his treatment?


42 posted on 09/02/2012 1:56:37 PM PDT by IWONDR
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To: ScaniaBoy

“Bloody stupid discussion. The only thing that is interesting is whether USADA comes up with physical/chemical evidence or not. USADA is not able to present what they’ve got until the other hearings are over, so we’ll wait.”

i thought that Lance had given up contesting these allegations? if so, will the USADA make any presentation of their contested evidence?


43 posted on 09/02/2012 2:01:48 PM PDT by IWONDR
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To: visualops
Interesting link, but I found this pretty ironic:

"....the hundreds of details necessary to maintain the high-40s hematocrit level that keeps a racer competitive on the course and safe in the control room."

Hardly Lance Armstrong, at least not during the last couple of years, when his Hct seldom was above 44!

44 posted on 09/02/2012 2:02:13 PM PDT by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: IWONDR

He has but others haven’t. Therefore there will be hearings and evidence will have to be presented.

USADA has promised to publish all the evidence they have eventually, but first after the hearings.


45 posted on 09/02/2012 2:04:11 PM PDT by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: UCANSEE2

Well she sure showed him. He should have married that snitch.


46 posted on 09/02/2012 2:19:24 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Para-Ord.45

Don’t care one way or the other about Armstrong. I used to enjoy watching the tour. Now I don’t.

They didn’t destroy Armstrong, they destroyed the sport.

Kinda like OLD NASCAR vs the gawd awful thing they have now.

Hope everyone is safe and happy.

BTW...If I ain’t happy, yunz ain’t safe.

Just sayin’.


47 posted on 09/02/2012 2:21:11 PM PDT by prisoner6 (Right Wing Nuts bolt the Constitution together as the loose screws of the Left fall out!)
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To: Para-Ord.45
What's with your obsessive infatuation with Lance Armstrong anyway? You're starting to give me the creeps....

Instead of posting another Lance Bash, why don't you address the comments made to you on your previous thread?

Para-Ord.45’s Creepy Obsession with Lance Armstrong…Is this a Man-Love thing?

Give it up Mikey, Lance isn't going to buy you a bike shop no matter how much you publicly hate him........

48 posted on 09/02/2012 2:25:36 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (My 6 pack abs are now a full keg......)
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To: GBT1945

“Never fails, those that can, DO, those that can’t try to take them down, bite at their heals, and eat their s—t.”

Sorry, but it’s not necessarily the cream that rises to the top. Sometimes s**t floats. That’s not my comment on Armstrong, as I don’t know whether he cheated or not, but to assume that success is always merit based is just not defensible. Take a look at our current President.


50 posted on 09/02/2012 2:31:42 PM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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