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2 consenting adults and a cow ... Farmer's raw deal over raw milk scheduled for trial
WND.com ^ | September 1, 2012 | Bob Unruh

Posted on 09/02/2012 4:47:26 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

A trial that has become a symbol, in Wisconsin and across the U.S., of government criminalization of farmers for providing food directly to consumers has been rescheduled for January.

But the delay from the previously scheduled September court date is expected to focus even more attention on the dispute that has dragged Wisconsin dairy farmer Vernon Hershberger to the court’s defendant’s table in the Sauk County Circuit Court, presided over by Judge Guy Reynolds.

The state’s case against the Loganville farmer has him accused of four misdemeanor counts of violating Wisconsin’s food and dairy code.

Officials with the Farm to Consumers Legal Defense Fund said Hershberger will be represented by the fund’s attorneys in the case, which already has created ripples across the industry.

In Wisconsin, while the state Department of Agriculture, Trade and Consumer Protection “once supported farmers who offered raw dairy through direct-to-consumer sales,” officials said the state agency reversed its position under pressure from the Food and Drug Administration.

When the state legislature tried to block the newly developing crackdown on farmers who provide their products directly to consumers, the governor vetoed the proposal.

That leaves Hershberger facing the January trial on the four misdemeanor counts. He will be represented by Elizabeth Rich, the vice president of the fund, and a Wisconsin attorney.

“Hershberger has been charged with operating a retail food establishment without a license,” explains the fund, “operating a dairy farm as a milk producer without a license and violating a holding order issued by the Wisconsin Department of Agriculture, Trade and Consumer Protection. The holding order prohibited anyone from removing food products from coolers that had been taped in Hershberger’s farm store.”

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: ban; bullystate; fda; food; freshmilk; health; nannystate; pasteurization; pathogens; rawmilk; trial; vernonhershberger

1 posted on 09/02/2012 4:47:34 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I thought this was going to be about the new civil unions law in Brazil


2 posted on 09/02/2012 4:49:30 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Eric Blair 2084; SheLion; Gabz; Hank Kerchief; 383rr; libertarian27; traviskicks; bamahead; CSM; ...

Nanny State PING!


3 posted on 09/02/2012 4:49:34 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Obama should change his campaign slogan to "Yes, we am!" Sounds as stupid as his administration is.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I wonder if this might end up at the Supreme Court. It might help in Wisconsin if the cows all belonged to a Union and had the mafia protecting this mis fits from selling milk direct.


4 posted on 09/02/2012 4:49:36 PM PDT by rovenstinez
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

It’s those damn Amish troublemakers again.


5 posted on 09/02/2012 4:50:06 PM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: GeronL

New addition to the Democratic Convention platform.


6 posted on 09/02/2012 4:50:53 PM PDT by bleach (If I agreed with you, we would both be wrong.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

The peasants must not be allowed to purchase food that has not been adulterated by ADM.


7 posted on 09/02/2012 4:52:32 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Government mandated middleman. Job creation, doncha know.


8 posted on 09/02/2012 4:53:17 PM PDT by Delta 21 (Oh Crap !! Did I say that out loud ??!??)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

9 posted on 09/02/2012 4:54:37 PM PDT by palmer (Jim, please bill me 50 cents for this completely useless post)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

This case represents the Nanny State at its worst and most officiously intrusive.


10 posted on 09/02/2012 4:58:42 PM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
2 consenting adults and a cow

The next "marriage" push.

11 posted on 09/02/2012 5:01:12 PM PDT by grobdriver (Proud Member, Party of No! Nobama, No Way, No How!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

The title sounds like marriage in homotown.


12 posted on 09/02/2012 5:02:02 PM PDT by CodeToad (Be Prepared...They Are.)
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To: Jack Hammer

There’s little economic clout to oppose such nannydom, unfortunately. Most are aware of the ubiquitous warnings on US restaurant menus about undercooked meat, eggs, and seafood. Well those warnings are what was left after American restaurant associations fought back tooth and nail against an outright Federal ban on serving such food that hadn’t been assessed (at great expense, per strict government protocol) for micro-organisms. Can natural milk dairies push back with this sort of vigor? They don’t have the clout that restaurants do. Warnings might be in order, but phooey on these bans.


13 posted on 09/02/2012 5:09:35 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew (or is that lou?))
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
of government criminalization of farmers for providing food directly to consumers has been rescheduled for January

A long time ago, these crazy dudes we call the Founders had this really neat idea about Freedom, and all the Freedoms Liberty contained.

One of these was the Right to private contract.

Now and the government that was originally to be based in Liberty has become the oppressor.

[sigh]

14 posted on 09/02/2012 5:09:38 PM PDT by MamaTexan (I am a Person as Created by the Laws of Nature, not a person as created by the laws of Man)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
They are simply trying to establish complete and absolute Federal authority over food. Dissent will be mercilessly crushed by a army of lawyers... paid for with your taxes.
15 posted on 09/02/2012 5:15:38 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: gorush

Not many Amish in Sauk County. I was born there and to the dismay of the gov., drank raw milk daily.


16 posted on 09/02/2012 5:22:43 PM PDT by foundedonpurpose (It's time for a fundamental restoration, of our country's principles!)
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To: foundedonpurpose

There are a lot of Amish there now. I grew up in Baraboo but live in SE Monroe county now.


17 posted on 09/02/2012 5:24:36 PM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: gorush
This is Dr. Douglas author of "The Milk Book" and raw milk advocate. Sorry but the audio is not so hot. Also of interest.
18 posted on 09/02/2012 5:42:58 PM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah, so shall it be again.")
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Is it wrong to look forward do the day a bureaucrat looking to make an example of a citizen gets made an example of in return?


19 posted on 09/02/2012 5:48:56 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Why is it I’m never called to serve on a jury for a trial like this. I’d nullify this stupid law and have the defendant out of the courtroom in time for lunch.


20 posted on 09/02/2012 5:51:26 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: tacticalogic
Raw Milk Risks What are the risks associated with drinking raw milk? Raw milk can carry harmful bacteria and other germs that can make you very sick or kill you. While it is possible to get foodborne illnesses from many different foods, raw milk is one of the riskiest of all. Getting sick from raw milk can mean many days of diarrhea, stomach cramping, and vomiting. Less commonly, it can mean kidney failure, paralysis, chronic disorders, and even death. Many people who chose raw milk thinking they would improve their health instead found themselves (or their loved ones) sick in a hospital for several weeks fighting for their lives from infections caused by germs in raw milk. For example, a person can develop severe or even life-threatening diseases, such as Guillain-Barré syndrome, which can cause paralysis, and hemolytic uremic syndrome, which can result in kidney failure and stroke. Illness can occur from the same brand and source of raw milk that people had been drinking for a long time without becoming ill. A wide variety of germs that are sometimes found in raw milk, can make people sick, including bacteria (e.g., Brucella, Campylobacter, Listeria, Mycobacterium bovis (a cause of tuberculosis), Salmonella, Shiga toxin-producing Escherichia coli [e.g., E. coli O157], Shigella, Yersinia), parasites (e.g., Giardia), and viruses (e.g., norovirus). Each ill person’s symptoms can differ, depending on the type of germ, the amount of contamination, and the person’s immune defenses.

Wake up and get your children vaccinated too!
21 posted on 09/02/2012 5:52:58 PM PDT by stocksthatgoup
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To: GeronL

Yep. So sodomites should have the “right” to practice acts which are known to have a high probablity of giving them fatal diseases, which the tax payers must pay for when they need treatment, but grown people can’t decide to drink raw milk. The left is very...particular...about just which dangerous acts are protected under freedom, and which are not. Of course, drinking raw milk doesn’t destroy the fabric of a moral and decent society, so it’s out-of-bounds.


22 posted on 09/02/2012 5:54:50 PM PDT by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: stocksthatgoup

Have you ever noticed that among all the reports of people getting deathly ill from things like ecoli, there don’t seem to be any farmers, or people who work around cattle and manure?


23 posted on 09/02/2012 5:57:00 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: CodeToad

We can’t regulate against adults committing disgusting acts which lead to HIV/AIDS and other STDs, and higher probablitites of certain cancers, most usually requiring expensive treatment paid for by tax payers, many of whom don’t support said acts, but good heavens, can’t have grown people choosing of their own accord to drink untreated milk!


24 posted on 09/02/2012 5:57:44 PM PDT by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: stocksthatgoup

Then we need to legislate against sodomy, which carries a higher than normal degree of risk of both catching and communicating to others fatal diseases such as HIV/AIDs and other STDS, not to mention non-communicable diseases such as colon cancer.


25 posted on 09/02/2012 6:01:29 PM PDT by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: stocksthatgoup

The beauty of the free market is that if I and others get sick from someones product, we stop buying their product. Word gets around quickly that vendor x is not to be trusted.

Result: vendor x goes out of business, vendor y takes up the slack in the market (hopefully remembering how vendor x screwed up)...


26 posted on 09/02/2012 6:08:37 PM PDT by jonno (Having an opinion is not the same as having the answer...)
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To: stocksthatgoup

In the first half of the twentieth century when lots of people still drank raw milk dairy farmers kept very clean dairy barns. I know this due to growing up on a dairy farm that had been in the family for over fifty years. The last Half of the century not so good. my father drove a route truck for the local dairy coop and I some times got to go with him. That is where I heard several times, who cares if it’s clean they are going to boil it dead anyway,. The farmers saying that never drank their own milk. We however did and kept a very clean milking barn. My family had well over 250 years of drinking raw milk with no illness due to the practice.


27 posted on 09/02/2012 6:34:24 PM PDT by W. W. SMITH ((Yuri Bezmenov (KGB Defector) - "Kick The Communists Out of Your Govt. & Don't Accept Their Goodies.)
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To: stocksthatgoup

Is it really necessary to address every risk in human existence with a ban?


28 posted on 09/02/2012 6:44:13 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew (or is that lou?))
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

If someone wants to buy raw milk, and someone is willing to supply a safe source of raw milk, more power to both. It’s a test case. I will add though, I wouldn’t want to be unknowingly buying unpasteurized milk. There are good reasons for some laws


29 posted on 09/02/2012 6:46:19 PM PDT by Figment
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To: Figment

This was clearly a consenting adults situation. Nobody is complaining about regulations that require milk being sold to be pasteurized unless clearly labeled otherwise.


30 posted on 09/02/2012 6:51:10 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew (or is that lou?))
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To: stocksthatgoup

I grew up on raw milk, butter, whipped cream and anything else you can make from it.
My kids did the same when, I could find it. Farm-raised grandkids also.
Yes you CAN get sick but the chances are so small in the case of do-it-yourself milking and storing aand the benefits for outweigh the risk.
As for vaccinations..
NO WAY!
I refused to have mine vaccinated after being lied to by my doctor who declaired that my 6-week old daughter’s “baby shots” caused her siezures which continued for 5 days!
I later found other moms whose babies had had similar reactions.
Then, later I was again lied to by the school who said that my twins couldn’t start school w/out being vaccinated so I reluctantly gave in. Boy twin GOT ALL THREE TYPES OF MEASLES from the very shot that was supposed to PREVENT them!
The end!
Same for most of my grandkids and great grands.
I find it strange indeed that anyone would advocate injecting substances such as mercury (I mean, if mercuerachrome (sp) can kill you??) and now at least 30% of vaccines use fetal tissue....
WHY would any caring person have this sh— injected into anyone they cared for?


31 posted on 09/02/2012 7:08:36 PM PDT by bog trotter
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To: palmer
There should have been a special gold metal for lifting that much weight.


32 posted on 09/02/2012 8:05:26 PM PDT by UnwashedPeasant
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To: bog trotter

Something called herd immunity, which prevents outbreaks of diseases by making sure most people are vaccinated.


33 posted on 09/02/2012 8:16:24 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Obama should change his campaign slogan to "Yes, we am!" Sounds as stupid as his administration is.)
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To: stocksthatgoup

I suppose that is why there is a consent stream of dead dairy farmers, and their family members, they usually drink their own cow’s milk raw. It’s amazing that with so many dead farmers that there are any dairy farms operating at all.


34 posted on 09/02/2012 8:35:42 PM PDT by Bellflower (The LORD is Holy, separated from all sin, perfect, righteous, high and lifted up.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

When food rules on sanitation and how the product was marketed were first enacted, it was because to protect consumers from disease and adulteration.

Now most food laws on the food and other ingredients are cooked up between big government and big food corporations. The rules mostly prevent those who produce food outside of contracts to deliver to the big corporations from direct sales to local consumers.

Raw milk from cows properly cared for and not sick from TB or dosed up on hormones and antibiotics is no danger to consumers. The danger is we would find it is tastier and more nutritious than big brand milk.

Farmers now can’t sell eggs unless rules like having refrigerators separate from other food items and not unless they have a state or federal permit. Farmers can’t kill, pluck and package a chicken unless they do all the applications, handling rules and sales reports companies as big as Tyson do, so farmers can only sell you a live chicken as a pet. Hogs and other meat animals have to have computer chip ear tags and records are kept from farm to the box of meat to stores. In short, forcing our food to pass through the corp/gov’t system.

If food is controlled, the serfs rebellions are short.


35 posted on 09/02/2012 8:47:51 PM PDT by RicocheT (Eat the rich only if you're certain it's your last meal)
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To: Bellflower
I suppose that is why there is a consent stream of dead dairy farmers, and their family members, they usually drink their own cow’s milk raw. It’s amazing that with so many dead farmers that there are any dairy farms operating at all.

how true it is!!...I am 73, was raised in Wisconsin, 2 of my uncles were dairy farmers, and we all drank raw milk....some of it still warm!!!.

after the milkings, the milk was stored in large milk cans, in a cooler (iced water before electricity) until the milk truck came to pick it up and haul it to wherever!

meanwhile, the raw milk was enjoyed by all!!after that we gathered eggs from the chickencoop in 80-90 degree weather, took them in the house, grandma washed them and stored them in a large crockery jar covered with a dish towel on a pantry shelf........I don't recall anyone dying due to these obvious violations of current food handling/storage regulations...?????

36 posted on 09/02/2012 8:58:00 PM PDT by terycarl
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Goodness, not undercooked meat and eggs! Someone please save me from myself.

I've been known to eat raw cookie dough and make steak tartare at home! I am major criminal - I sometimes drink more than 32oz of sweetened beverage, j walk, and don't separate my recycling.

Don't tell the FBI, but I also have a stockpile of incandescent light bulbs.

37 posted on 09/02/2012 9:04:40 PM PDT by Repeat Offender (Official Romney/GOP-E Platform - We suck less)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

My reply posted on FB....

No matter what this state judge....at the behest of the FDA...whose regulated big ag facilities they deem safe kill thousands every year...NO YOU TRYRANT MF’s...I DO have the RIGHT to buy raw milk, fresh veggies, or WHATEVER I DAMN WELL PLEASE from whoever I please. And I DO have the RIGHT to feed these same food stuffs to my CHILDREN. I KNOW for a FACT that these foods you are trying to outlaw from commerce...ARE WAAAAY HEALTHIER AND BETTER than the MAss PRODUCED SLOP you say is ok to sell in a national chain grocery store. Even if they weren’t..It’s NONE of YOUR DAMN business what I choose to eat.

This is tyranny in it’s worse form....and it is born of greed and collusion between big ag and big gov...tyranny and fascism. It has happened before in history...the most obvious being Stalin and his genocide of the kulaks through starvation...which was started by taking over the food supply through law.

If the fact that our fed.gov is using the force of law...and raids on Amish selling RAW MILK using fully outfitted goon sqauds...if this doesn’t awaken the average American from his blissful ignorance of bling, boob tube, and Honey boo boo...then they deserve the chains of bondage that will soon bear around their necks.

Anyone know how to pack for the “Treatment Center” fed.gov takes folks like me to after saying the wrong thing on the net? I’m guessing one business casual for a hearing..then all jammies for actual confinement.

I know what the goons better be wearing if they come for me.....snakeboots....briarpants...insect repellant...and someone not afraid and properly equipped to move the copperheads that I will have posted up all around me. And I hope they ain’t scared of runnin face first into a huge writin spider nest or two...And oh yeah....hopefully I can find a hornet nest to knock down as they approach.

No one said having the feds coming after you couldn’t be fun.


38 posted on 09/02/2012 9:16:40 PM PDT by Vigilantcitizen (Dave Mustaine for president.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Something called herd immunity, which prevents outbreaks of diseases by making sure most people are vaccinated.

"Herd immunity" is the prevention of common sense in large groups of people that prevents the kind of rot your spewing from getting you run out of town on a rail.

If vaccines worked, the unvaccinated wouldn't be a threat to the vaccinated. But the fact is that the unvaccinated have stronger immune systems than the vaccinated, who's immune systems have been damaged and compromised by mercury, squaline and being overwhelmed by multiple invasive stressors. As a result, in a given population, it is the vaccinated who will get sick - which would prove that vaccinations are crippling.

So instead, people like you pump out illogical garbage to reverse common sense, deny science, and support the crippling of children.

The only justice is that the hell for every single spasming, frothing at the mouth, brain damaged or unconscious child sits directly on your soul - and every one of "you" that push this slow mass murder.

At the end of the day, I hope that was clear.

39 posted on 09/02/2012 9:26:41 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: stocksthatgoup

See my post #39 - it applies to you, too.


40 posted on 09/02/2012 9:27:43 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Thanks for the ping!


41 posted on 09/02/2012 9:57:50 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: stocksthatgoup
Wake up and get your children vaccinated too!

Gee - raw milk is almost as dangerous as the raw vegetables available at every food store...

42 posted on 09/03/2012 2:55:48 AM PDT by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: Vigilantcitizen

I don’t think it’s possible for a lot of people to be awakened. The powers-that-be are committing mass genocide/soft kill as it is. By poisoning the air and water, vaccinating, encouraging every kind of drug, and feeding us Franken-food, on top of the non-stop entertainment, too many people are in too much of a stupor to wake up.


43 posted on 09/03/2012 2:23:22 PM PDT by Borax Queen
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