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Majority of New Jobs Pay Low Wages, Study Finds
NY Times ^ | Aug 30, 2012 | CATHERINE RAMPELL

Posted on 09/02/2012 4:57:55 PM PDT by Innovative

While a majority of jobs lost during the downturn were in the middle range of wages, a majority of those added during the recovery have been low paying, according to a new report from the National Employment Law Project.

"The overarching message here is we don't just have a jobs deficit; we have a 'good jobs' deficit," said Annette Bernhardt, the report's author and a policy co-director at the National Employment Law Project, a liberal research and advocacy group.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: elections; jobless; jobs; mcjobs; obama; obamanomics; unemployment

Thank you, President Obama! :\

1 posted on 09/02/2012 4:58:03 PM PDT by Innovative
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To: Innovative

If this had been a Republican president, I believe the term ‘McJobs’ would have been invoked.


2 posted on 09/02/2012 5:03:23 PM PDT by fhayek
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To: Innovative

Wow from the NYT no less. Facing reality must be painful for them.


3 posted on 09/02/2012 5:04:57 PM PDT by Rennes Templar
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To: Innovative

4 posted on 09/02/2012 5:16:47 PM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: Innovative

Try capitalism. It works every time.


5 posted on 09/02/2012 6:13:36 PM PDT by libertylover (The problem with Obama is not that his skin is too black, it's that his ideas are too RED.)
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To: Innovative

Keep shopping at Wal-Mart everyone. Speed up that tranfer of jobs overseas. It is like cutting the nations financial wrist when you shop at Wal-Mart.

Making matters worse, they don’t pay people enough to live on, don’t give them enough hours to provide a decent living. The local Wal-Mart is having people work just 4 hours a day. With gas over $4.00 a gallon, what is the point of going to work.


6 posted on 09/02/2012 6:15:33 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: fhayek
If this had been a Republican president, I believe the term ‘McJobs’ would have been invoked.

I was just thinking that. Why no mention that the jobs that are being created are fast food jobs.

7 posted on 09/02/2012 6:16:50 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: Innovative

8 posted on 09/02/2012 6:19:21 PM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: gunsequalfreedom; kearnyirish2
Making matters worse, they don’t pay people enough to live on, don’t give them enough hours to provide a decent living. The local Wal-Mart is having people work just 4 hours a day. With gas over $4.00 a gallon, what is the point of going to work.

And some people wonder why young Americans are not getting married, raising families, having babies etc.....No health insurance, little health insurance, sky high cost of food, rent mortgages, utilities, car insurance, price of gas up to the roof.

It's also the reason why there are so many multigenerational families now living in the same home, as they pool their resources to survive.

9 posted on 09/02/2012 6:27:52 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: gunsequalfreedom

Don’t blame WalMart for peoples poor decision making in preparing themselves for the workforce. A degree from a lib arts program doesn’t qualify you for anything


10 posted on 09/02/2012 6:37:39 PM PDT by Figment
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To: Figment; gunsequalfreedom
Oh sure, there are millions of readily available jobs for engineers, construction workers, airline pilots etc for the tens of millions of unemployed.

All this while the government continues to flood the country with millions of foreigners and illegals.

Some people refuse to believe our standard of living, economy, borders have been in epic decline for years now.

11 posted on 09/02/2012 6:48:20 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Figment
Don’t blame WalMart for peoples poor decision making in preparing themselves for the workforce

In addition, I think the posters point was Walmart Corp has put tens of thousands of small businesses out of biz, by bringing in endless freight train loads of non-U.S., Communist Chinese products. This is no secret.

Off shore hundreds of thousands of U.S. jobs and companies, as the government flooded the U.S. with tens of millions of illegals and low wage foreigners?

Boy, how'd that work out America?

12 posted on 09/02/2012 7:00:00 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: gunsequalfreedom
I'm with you.

I'm smart, so I pay $5 for a screwdriver from a local mom and pops store instead of $1 for the same screwdriver from WalMart.

You and I are the smart people, everyone that buys that screwdriver from WalMart is stupid.

Union workers that make a complicated piece of equipment like a screwdriver, need our money.

13 posted on 09/02/2012 8:03:43 PM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: gunsequalfreedom

Wal-Mart isn’t meant to be a career, unless you want to be a store manager.


14 posted on 09/02/2012 8:05:20 PM PDT by dfwgator (I'm voting for Ryan and that other guy.)
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To: Innovative

If you have a low paying job you have no one to blame but yourself.


15 posted on 09/02/2012 8:05:35 PM PDT by SAR
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To: dragnet2; gunsequalfreedom

“And some people wonder why young Americans are not getting married, raising families, having babies etc.....No health insurance, little health insurance, sky high cost of food, rent mortgages, utilities, car insurance, price of gas up to the roof.”

I wonder why they’re content to let other people have the babies; those babies are the future of the Democrat Party (and if the trend continues, the United States).


16 posted on 09/02/2012 9:12:25 PM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: Figment
Don’t blame WalMart for peoples poor decision making in preparing themselves for the workforce. A degree from a lib arts program doesn’t qualify you for anything

Know any engineers looking for work? I sure do. I don't mean to be harsh but that line worked in the 1970's, not today.

17 posted on 09/02/2012 9:34:35 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: gunsequalfreedom

Globalism is glorious. Diversity is our strength!


18 posted on 09/02/2012 9:35:49 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: SAR

“If you have a low paying job you have no one to blame but yourself.”

That oversimplification put Obama in the White House. At this point we are graduating students from schools that are trained in things that 2 years ago were viable careers but have since been 1) outsourced to another part of the world, or 2) flooded with foreign workers under the H1-B scam. Too many people that did everything right are unable to find work at decent wages...


19 posted on 09/02/2012 9:36:19 PM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: IMR 4350
I'm smart, so I pay $5 for a screwdriver from a local mom and pops store instead of $1 for the same screwdriver from WalMart.

First, that is an exagerated price comparision. Second, Wal-Mart is only cheaper than the mom and pop store until that store is driven out of business. Third, that mom and pop store operator is your neighbor that spends money in your restaurant or your store.

20 posted on 09/02/2012 9:37:08 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: dragnet2

I’m with you. I’ve got two good friends that are top flight engineers. There is no work. The jobs that are available are flipping burgers or part time jobs at Wal-Mart.


21 posted on 09/02/2012 9:39:29 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: kearnyirish2; gunsequalfreedom
And some people wonder why young Americans are not getting married, raising families, having babies etc.....No health insurance, little health insurance, sky high cost of food, rent mortgages, utilities, car insurance, price of gas up to the roof.

It's also the reason why there are so many multigenerational families now living in the same home, as they pool their resources to survive.

I wonder why they’re content to let other people have the babies

Content?

Do you have any idea what it cost to have babies without adequate insurance and secure good paying jobs?

Illegals by the millions are charging you and me to have endless babies, obtain food stamps, welfare etc. Would you care to see some stats from so-call red states like Texas? Let me know.

You are disconnected from reality.

Do you have any idea what it costs in today's America to raise a family, buy a home, pay rent, pay insurance, utilities, have children, families or just fill the GD gas tank?

As millions of Americans compete with endless low wage immigration from every direction. This is national suicide considering tens of millions of Americans are unemployed or underemployed.

Are you stupid or just play the stupid role?

How in tarnation is a 24 year old male working at Home Depot or in some cubicle going to have babies and raise a family on 11 or so bucks an hour with little or absolutely no heath insurance? How would he even buy a home, pay rent, feed provide for having babies and raising kids?

Our standard of living, economy, a mountain of debt, compounded lawless borders and endless waves of low wage immigration from all over the planet, millions of which get every freebie, handout imaginable.

You obviously don't get it. Or you're living in some Pollyanna past.

22 posted on 09/02/2012 10:13:23 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2
It's also the reason why there are so many multigenerational families now living in the same home, as they pool their resources to survive.

In a way, that's a good thing....families should stay together.

23 posted on 09/02/2012 10:17:44 PM PDT by dfwgator (I'm voting for Ryan and that other guy.)
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To: gunsequalfreedom

An engineer looking for work is probably pricing themself out of the job market. You can blame that on the H1B’s. You’re blaming WalMart though and people buying there. Stay on subject


24 posted on 09/02/2012 10:18:14 PM PDT by Figment
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To: dfwgator

I agree. As long as everyone pulls their own weight.


25 posted on 09/02/2012 10:22:54 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: SAR
If you have a low paying job you have no one to blame but yourself.

Let's set aside those who didn't have opportunities or lacked the capacity for more due to health or other reasons.

I know college educated people, in technical fields not 'the arts', who are in low paying jobs or looking for low paying jobs just to have an income.

One was illegally fired due to age; he was an electrical engineer in a supervisory role and now listens to headhunters say, "I believe my client is looking for someone younger."

Another is young, fresh from his education but hasn't field experience yet thanks to the Obama economy.

Another became a full-time caregiver when his family needed him.

Yes! It's all their fault. They deserve to suffer, to lose their homes, to eat off the street like stray dogs. Maybe the evil, inhumane conservative stereotype the Democrats put out really does exist in the flesh.

To those "I got mine" Freepers who troll topics playing the blame game on Americans who have been forced to turn to assistance programs, can't find work, are underemployed or have been wiped out by the economic meltdown I say, "HIRE!"

And, surprise, surprise, not a single one of them steps up.

26 posted on 09/03/2012 12:30:09 AM PDT by newzjunkey (Election night is 63 days away.)
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To: dragnet2
It's worked well building upward mobility for Asian immigrants.

Many Americans don't build a family structure that can support its members if they fall on hard times, get ill or simply grow old. It's something we could do better as a people and it would make us more productive and better position the young before they start families.

27 posted on 09/03/2012 12:36:11 AM PDT by newzjunkey (Election night is 63 days away.)
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To: gunsequalfreedom
Keep shopping at Wal-Mart everyone. Speed up that tranfer of jobs overseas. It is like cutting the nations financial wrist when you shop at Wal-Mart. Making matters worse, they don’t pay people enough to live on, don’t give them enough hours to provide a decent living. The local Wal-Mart is having people work just 4 hours a day. With gas over $4.00 a gallon, what is the point of going to work.

WalMart employs over a million American workers and provides prices that can't be met by products produced by union shops. Don't blame WalMart for your beefs - it goes a lot deeper than that. The words "Buy American" should have the addendum "Pay More - a message from your friendly union shop".

28 posted on 09/03/2012 3:03:59 AM PDT by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: trebb
WalMart employs over a million American workers and provides prices that can't be met by products produced by union shops. Don't blame WalMart for your beefs - it goes a lot deeper than that. The words "Buy American" should have the addendum "Pay More - a message from your friendly union shop".

I don't have any illusions about the problem. You are right that it goes much deeper. Your point about it being an issue between Wal-Mart and unions, though, is very simplistic and wildly uninformed.

Again, you are correct the issue goes much deeper. Let's take that as a opener and try applying some critical thinking.

29 posted on 09/03/2012 8:33:30 AM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: Figment
An engineer looking for work is probably pricing themself out of the job market. You can blame that on the H1B’s. You’re blaming WalMart though and people buying there. Stay on subject

I appreciate the caution to stay on subject. Could not agree with you more. I think I was replying to someone else that brought up the engineer out of work side conversation.

30 posted on 09/03/2012 8:39:08 AM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: SaraJohnson
Globalism is glorious. Diversity is our strength!

There is a long list of U.S. industries that will disagree with that slogan.

31 posted on 09/03/2012 8:49:46 AM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: gunsequalfreedom

balderacious drivel

what’s good for Walmart is good for America


32 posted on 09/03/2012 9:01:05 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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To: newzjunkey

Deserve to suffer? No, I didn’t say that. I don’t wish suffering on anyone. But did they make their bed? Yes, they did, and now they lie in it. Can’t get hired? Hustle and open a business. I have a five year degree in architecture. It proved to be useless. My firm collapsed when everyone stopped building. I hustled, bought a food truck, and now own three restaurants. I could be working some lowly job and complaining about obama, like many people do. Obama sucks, but we have had bad and great Presidents in the past, but hustle knows no political affiliation. People got rich under Reagan, and some even got rich under carter. I got rich under Bush and obama, and I give neither of them an ounce of credit.


33 posted on 09/03/2012 9:30:06 AM PDT by SAR
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To: dragnet2; gunsequalfreedom

“Do you have any idea what it costs in today’s America to raise a family, buy a home, pay rent, pay insurance, utilities, have children, families or just fill the GD gas tank?”

I do all of those things, and I struggle, but there is no “GD” way I would put off having a family when it is so obvious that with sacrifice it can be done. I’ve worked low-paying jobs (and probably will again), and started my family with a job that wasn’t great; maybe it is faith. My children certainly don’t have the high expectations that many of their peers do.


34 posted on 09/03/2012 9:32:07 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: fhayek

Terms not used by the MSM since Jan 09:

McJobs

Recovery for Wall $treet but not Main Street

Homeless problem


35 posted on 09/03/2012 9:33:09 AM PDT by nascarnation (Defeat Baraq 2012. Deport Baraq 2013)
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To: bert
what’s good for Walmart is good for America

You won't get me to agree with that one.

36 posted on 09/03/2012 9:34:26 AM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: kearnyirish2; gunsequalfreedom
I do all of those things, and I struggle, but there is no “GD” way I would put off having a family when it is so obvious that with sacrifice it can be done.

Bull chet.

How do ya make do on 11 or so bucks an hour having 2 or 4 kids delivered at the local hospital with zip insurance? Who's paying the huge bill for all this slick? Maybe have the babies delivered in the back room, the way they did it 95 years ago?

Not everyone is able or wants to live in some $395. a month single wide trailer eating Velveeta all month long with 4 under clothed barefoot kids they can't afford. Or some ghetto rental in downtown Detroit gangland. You'd have to be an idiot to do that, or live like they do in Mexico. How ignorant are you?

A 25 year old non-insured males working in cubicle world or Home Depot aren't having babies delivered at the hospital, which cost tens of thousands each, nor are they buying homes or refrigerators. They don't have the money! Gezzz. What do you not get about this slick?

Cripes, these young people can hardly fill their gas GD tanks.

Why do ya think so many are living in homes nowadays in a multi-generational environment? Millions of these young people can't even afford their own places. Gezzz..You live in some isolated cave?

Pull your head out of the Pollyanna past..

37 posted on 09/03/2012 11:16:49 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2; gunsequalfreedom

OK, don’t breed. That’s a great solution; thank you for sharing it.


38 posted on 09/03/2012 7:47:43 PM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: kearnyirish2
OK, don’t breed. That’s a great solution; thank you for sharing it.

Breeding of humans only adds to global warming and futher threatens the other living species on this planet (and yes there is a big sarcasm tag on that one).

Jokes aside, if you can't afford kids - as you are relying on minimum wages jobs - they you should wait.

39 posted on 09/03/2012 10:28:00 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: gunsequalfreedom

I understand the idea of waiting. When I was younger (and the eonomy was better) I remember friends had set the bar so high for what they were waiting for (they were “risk-averse”, and practically wanted their houses paid off before they would have kids). I also know people who waited too long, and when they were ready their bodies weren’t (a very sad thing). I wouldn’t suggest a course of action for anyone in particular on the question; I just think the consequences of either path can’t be ignored.

FRegards.


40 posted on 09/04/2012 3:12:34 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: kearnyirish2; gunsequalfreedom
Why not answer all the questions you were asked on this thread instead of dodging and evading them?

Shall I list the questions for you again?

41 posted on 09/04/2012 8:18:17 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Figment

The last number I saw was 3.8% unemployment in the tech sector. Silicon Valley can’t find enough skilled people.


42 posted on 09/04/2012 8:54:03 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: kearnyirish2

Yep. Used to be that a father with a low-paying job took a second one to support his family. The whole point of getting a professional education was to not get in that situation.


43 posted on 09/04/2012 9:01:28 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: dragnet2
Why not answer all the questions you were asked on this thread instead of dodging and evading them? Shall I list the questions for you again?

For discussion purposes, yea, go ahead. I'm not keeping inventory and have just been responding to replies as they come in. If you want a more structured discussion, I'm okay with that. Should we draft and approve an agenda listing the different topics and then go over each one by one?

44 posted on 09/04/2012 11:24:50 AM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: gunsequalfreedom

BTW, that was directed at kearnyirish2


45 posted on 09/04/2012 3:36:42 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

I got that. But I am losing track of who is replying in this thread


46 posted on 09/04/2012 3:52:17 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: 9YearLurker

Nowadays in my area just about any job that deals with the public (bank teller, cashier, etc.) requires Spanish or Portuguese in addition to English; many of those fall-back part-time jobs are not even available to Americans who were straight-A students in school.

It is a national disgrace.


47 posted on 09/04/2012 8:39:24 PM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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