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TV historian triggers storm after calling Islam a 'made-up' religion (UK)
Daily Mail ^ | 9-2-12 | Mario Ledwith

Posted on 09/02/2012 6:57:06 PM PDT by dynachrome

Channel 4 has become embroiled in controversy after viewers claimed that a programme distorted the history of Islam.

The broadcaster and regulator Ofcom and received nearly 550 complaints after Islam: The Untold Story was screened last week.

The show’s presenter, Tom Holland, was subjected to a wave of criticism for his investigation into the origins of the religion and its early texts.

He said there was little written contemporary evidence about the life of the Prophet Muhammad, and claimed that the Koran makes little or no reference to Islam’s holy city of Mecca.

Holland, an award-winning writer and historian, received abusive tweets questioning his views on the religion.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: falsereligion; historian; islam; madeup
Good thing he can't have an evil gun to defend himself with/s
1 posted on 09/02/2012 6:57:11 PM PDT by dynachrome
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To: dynachrome

I hope this guy is current on his life insurance payments.


2 posted on 09/02/2012 6:58:42 PM PDT by dfwgator (I'm voting for Ryan and that other guy.)
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To: dynachrome

“received nearly 550 complaints”

Amateur.


3 posted on 09/02/2012 7:02:17 PM PDT by max americana (Make the world a better place by punching a liberal in the face)
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To: dynachrome

It WAS made up in the 600’s. MoHo took some from Judaism and some from Christianity and came up with islam. Even muslims recognized part of his writings as crazy and deemed those “The Satanic Verses”. Hitlers rise to power was also the perfect storm.


4 posted on 09/02/2012 7:03:23 PM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: dynachrome

Sounds very accurate.

If 15,000 complained about a hit on Christians, it wouldn’t be noticed.


5 posted on 09/02/2012 7:03:23 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: dynachrome

Robert Spencer has explored this theme in great detail in his book “Did Muhammed Exist?” (His answer: probably not).


6 posted on 09/02/2012 7:04:26 PM PDT by Stosh
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To: max americana

That’s nuffin.

Somehow FR remains well enough guarded. Mad Mo and his following have gotten flouted from pole to pole here. Yet Fresno hasn’t been suicide bombed. Yet.


7 posted on 09/02/2012 7:04:36 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew (or is that lou?))
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To: Stosh

Christian missionaries to Muslims generally don’t dispute that Mo existed. They view him as a genuine, if crazy person. It seems to make more sense than trying to explain the Koran as some sort of composite book.


8 posted on 09/02/2012 7:06:37 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew (or is that lou?))
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To: dynachrome

I guess Briton can expect a series of unexpected Bombings in the near future.


9 posted on 09/02/2012 7:08:16 PM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: dynachrome

If they put this on PBS I may actually watch the hated network again.


10 posted on 09/02/2012 7:11:52 PM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: dynachrome

The Koran was written by a rabbi or Jewish scribe.


11 posted on 09/02/2012 7:20:55 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: dynachrome

TV historian triggers storm after calling Islam a ‘made-up’ religion (UK)

Sing it now:

Give me that made-up religion
give me that made-up religion
Give me that made-up religion
It’s good enough for me

Makes me hate everybody
Makes me hate everybody
Makes me hate everybody
It’s good enough for me

Give me that made-up religion
give me that made-up religion
Give me that made-up religion
It’s good enough for me

It`s good for Hamas children suicide bombers
it`s good for Hamas children suicide bombers
It`s good for Hamas children suicide bombers
And it’s good enough for me

Give me that made-up religion
give me that made-up religion
Give me that made-up religion
It’s good enough for me

It was tried on 9-11
It was tried on 9-11
It was tried on 9-11
It’s good enough for me

Give me that made-up religion
give me that made-up religion
Give me that made-up religion
It’s good enough for me

It won`t do me any good when I’m dying
It won`t do me any good when I’m dying
It won`t do me any good when I’m dying
It’s good enough for me

Give me that made-up religion
give me that made-up religion
Give me that made-up religion
It’s good enough for me

It can take all us muslims to hell
It can take all us muslims to hell
It can take all us muslims to hell
It’s good enough for me

Give me that made-up religion
give me that made-up religion
Give me that made-up religion
It’s good enough for me


12 posted on 09/02/2012 7:24:15 PM PDT by bunkerhill7 (Kiss a camel, save a life! - where?? who knew?)
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To: dynachrome

More Interesting Question: Did Muhammad Exist?: An Inquiry into Islam's Obscure Origins

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13 posted on 09/02/2012 7:24:34 PM PDT by Zakeet (10 types of people in the world: those who understand binary and those who do not)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

That’s tactical. But while the Enlightenment crowd disputed the existence of Jesus, there is far more direct and circumstantial evidence of that outside the New Testament than the existence of Mohammed. Apart from that, the history of the rise of Islam may be wrong. The Arabs may have been allies of the Persians who took over the Persian Empire after their combined forces overran the Byzantine Empire. In other words, it was the last phase of the war between the Persians and the Byzantines which left the great cities of that Greek Empire in ruins.


14 posted on 09/02/2012 7:28:03 PM PDT by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: bunkerhill7
O.M.G... LOL!!!
15 posted on 09/02/2012 7:36:05 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: RobbyS

The Koran does look like the work of a mad man, who pops into and out of his rages without warning. A little more or less level headed if questionably coherent philosophizing, then bam, it’s kill ‘em all. Over and over. If it’s not Mo, then how it got to be known as Mo needs explanation.


16 posted on 09/02/2012 7:50:11 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew (or is that lou?))
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To: dynachrome

The only contemporaneous bit of information about Mohammad that I am aware of is that his horse was named Barack


17 posted on 09/02/2012 7:56:43 PM PDT by UglyinLA
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To: gorush

Holland is saying it was made up in the 700’s.

He’s right.


18 posted on 09/02/2012 8:00:34 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: gorush

Holland is saying it was made up in the 700’s.

He’s right.


19 posted on 09/02/2012 8:00:45 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Jack Hydrazine

A spoof from the Dark Ages? If so, it backfired. It would be like writings from the Onion getting enshrined as history by the Smithsonian Institution. The Christian missionary to the Muslims that I knew, believes that some Jews fed gobbledygook to Mad Mo as a prank, but did not themselves write his book (he couldn’t have written it anyhow being illiterate — others took it as dictation from him).


20 posted on 09/02/2012 8:02:37 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew (or is that lou?))
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To: zot; Interesting Times

Made up religion? Demon inspired religion? Definitely no real link to Judism and Christianity other than a few comments and denigration.


21 posted on 09/02/2012 8:05:05 PM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: gorush
Whenever I read the queeran, I always think of Orwell's "Animal Farm."

"Thou shall not kill," unless they're unbelievers

"Thou shall not lie," unless it's to unbelievers

"Homosexuality is an abomination," but you will be given young boys as round and fine as pearls in heaven

22 posted on 09/02/2012 8:19:11 PM PDT by Repeat Offender (Official Romney/GOP-E Platform - We suck less)
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To: dynachrome

“A made up religion”....you mean like Mormonism?


23 posted on 09/02/2012 8:20:57 PM PDT by lightman (Settling for the "lesser of two..." is still choosing Evil)
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To: dynachrome

Only the Bible says what happens thousands of years before it happens with accuracy & specificity. This is the signature of God.

http://xwalk.ca/y3nf.html

The Koran / Quran does not do this.


24 posted on 09/02/2012 8:22:41 PM PDT by ROTB (Live holy, forgive all & pray in Jesus' name. Trust He is willing & able & eager to ANSWER BIG!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Not a spoof as far as I know.


25 posted on 09/02/2012 9:09:06 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: UglyinLA

Not a horse, he rode an ass.


26 posted on 09/02/2012 9:17:29 PM PDT by papageo
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To: dynachrome

A detailed discussion of the lack of evidence for the historical existence of the real Mohammed is available in the audio book at Prophet of Doom, http://prophetofdoom.net/Prophet_of_Doom_Audio.Islam

If I remember correctly, the most relevant portions are in the chapter, “Islam’s Dark Past Source Material Appendix” of the audio book.


27 posted on 09/02/2012 9:24:52 PM PDT by C0ldWarri0r (Read Golitsyn!! Perestroika Deception)
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To: dynachrome
The Koran is a complete piece of crap. It has virtually no redeeming value and does not achieve the insights that religions conceived thousands of years earlier had achieved.

It is completely made-up, a rationale for robbery and looting on a grand scale.

Prior to Mad Mo the Middle East was Christian and Jewish with the Arabs confined to the deserts. Mo wielded together marauders and thieves from those deserts to destroy most of the People of the Book.

28 posted on 09/02/2012 9:54:47 PM PDT by arrogantsob (Obama MUST Go. Sarah herself supports Romney.)
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To: arrogantsob

>> It is completely made-up, a rationale for robbery and looting on a grand scale.

A war plan.


29 posted on 09/02/2012 9:57:20 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: dynachrome

Truth and islamic tradition are like oil and water.


30 posted on 09/02/2012 10:32:24 PM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah, so shall it be again.")
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To: dynachrome

Does anybody have a link to watch the program? I tried the Channel 4 website but it said it was unavailable for viewing in the USA.


31 posted on 09/02/2012 11:34:42 PM PDT by jjr153 (Never Forget 9/11)
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To: dynachrome

Truth gets them all the time, now I will get violent to make you believe it is a true religion. The moon god mohammed is upset.


32 posted on 09/03/2012 3:10:35 AM PDT by ronnie raygun (bb)
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To: jjr153

” have a link to watch the program”

Nope. My guess is they yanked it. Can’t offend Moe-ham-head, ya know.


33 posted on 09/03/2012 4:36:04 AM PDT by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: dynachrome

He can have a rifle or a shotgun.

Britain banned assault rifles (1988) and handguns (1997), not all guns.


34 posted on 09/03/2012 4:38:10 AM PDT by the scotsman (i)
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To: GreyFriar

Thanks for the ping. It doesn’t really matter if Mohammad existed; the Koran continues to motivate Muslims to pursue world domination.


35 posted on 09/03/2012 10:55:04 AM PDT by zot
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To: jjr153

Hi:

You can find it on PirateBay. I did a quick search and here is an url.

http://thepiratebay.se/search/Islam:%20The%20Untold%20Story/0/99/200

It looks like it is popular.


36 posted on 09/03/2012 11:29:02 AM PDT by CanadianPete
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