Skip to comments.JW Marriott Thanks Romney for Bringing Attention to Mormonism
Posted on 09/02/2012 7:39:20 PM PDT by aposiopetic
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Simply asking Mormons to live up to what their own church documents that they ought to believe in the moral sphere, would be helpful in an earthly sense.
I’m surprised the LDS has NOT gotten itself flouted as big hypocrites given its present state of affairs.
That’s a graciously intended gesture, to be sure. Whether it is positioned to be generally accepted theology in the Catholic church is another question. That was not an ex cathedra remark was it?
There are a lot of wealthy Mormons and The Mormon Church has a ton of money. I’m thinking there will be a lot of Mormon money funneled into the Romney campaign. (I have no problem with that.) And with 5 million Mormons in America, I’m thinking they might organize a ground game to campaign for Mitt. Just speculating.
I’d rather have an American Mormon in the Whitehouse, than a Keynesian Muslim...
“By My Fruits, Ye Shall Judge Me.”
May God forgive you your pig-headedness.
I was intrigued until they said no coffee, Coca-Cola, wine or beer. When they change that, get back to me.
The religion is Christianity. Mormon (Later Day Saints) is a denomination like Baptist, Catholic, Methodist, Amish, Presbyterian, etc.
I don’t see how Romney has brought attention to the Mormon Church except for the fact that he is a Mormon. I don’t know anymore about the Mormon Church now than I did before Romney ran for office. Some say it’s a cult. I don’t know if it is or not. I could say the same thing about some of the TV preachers I’ve heard.
Is there a Religious Forum? Didn’t know that. Gotta be lonely over there. I’m thinking this website is primarily for talking politics; right?
fruits as in fruit cakes... LDS are seemingly big hypocrites if they want to even pretend they oppose homosexual practice.
“If a Cardinal, Bishop or prominent Catholic layperson said the exact same thing to Rep. Paul Ryan, would you find it odd, mysterious, significant or conspiratorial?”
The Catholics, for all their problems, aren’t a massive secretive religious cult that is anti-Christian, extraordinarily controlling, engages in brainwashing, and systematically deceives its followers and the world about its own teachings and history. Well, unless you believe the Dan Brown books and think that the Catholics have a division of Albino Monks trained to kill uppity, smug liberals who imagine things in the Mona Lisa and Last Supper paintings.
Been reading your comments. I’ve learned some things about the Mormon church from this thread. It has me in a real quandry now. But, I still would NEVER vote for Obama. From your comments, am I correct in thinking you will not be voting for Romney.
“The religion is Christianity. Mormon (Later Day Saints) is a denomination like Baptist, Catholic, Methodist, Amish, Presbyterian, etc.
What the hell! There’s been threads on Mormonism on this forum going as far back as 2003 or earlier, literally thousands of them and there are STILL people who think Mormonism is a ‘Christian’ denomination?
Get educated, dude. If Mormonism is Christianity, so is Islam and the Moonies.
“LDS winks broadly at the gay crowd. Technically they shouldnt. They never got themselves one of their famous revelation updates telling them to do an about face on homosexuality.”
It dovetails with Romney’s efforts to discourage abortions amongst his coreligionists during his governorship. The ‘gentiles’ are aided and even subsidized along sterile, declining population paths. But not their own. Quite the opposite. Think it through a few generations. It appears to be an agenda.
“Depends of course who you ask. Catholics lump them along with all evangelicals as heretics. Lutheran? Mormon? Its all out there somewhere in hell to them.”
Catholics don’t accept Mormon baptism and consider them damned. The Catholics do not consider non-Catholics to be hell bound. Maybe deceived, wayward brothers, but not infidels outside of salvation, at least as I understand Vatican II.
Don’t know about theology, but an individual who has been baptised in the name of the Trinity is considered Christian by Catholics—they are part of the Church, if not the fullness of it, and Christians because of this, at least to my understanding. So if a Baptist wants to be a Catholic he or she doesn’t have get Baptised again; they are already Christian. The Baptist tradition is Christian Baptism, the understanding of the Trinity is Christian.
As far as LDS, I think they seem to be outstanding as far as their voting habits generally. I believe they voted against Reid handily in NV against Angle.
I don’t regard November’s election as being a vote for anybody who will in turn save a soul. I regard it as a vote for stewardship of Caesar’s affairs only. I plan to put a clothespin on my nose and punch a straight R ticket with the idea in mind that this is a vote for a more flexible situation for conservatives to work with than a passive act tending to keep Obama in office would be. If Romney does something really stupid like try overtly to recruit more Mormons from his candidate pulpit, that could change. Romney is not supposed to mix his church with state any more than Barack is supposed to mix his God Damn America with state.
“They believe Jesus is the Son of God and are therefor totally saved but legalistic beyond belief!!Not necessary. All Are saved by belief- John 3:16”
Wrong! After thoousands of threads what’s it going to take to stop this foolish claim? The Mormons believe Jesus is A “son of God,” so is Lucifer, so are you, so are me. They believe God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are literally three different persons, not the same God, and they do not believe Jesus Christ died for our sins to be saved through faith. They believe he WEPT and SWEAT blood for our sins and died so we could be free from Adam’s sin, but not necessarily from our own. We have to be baptized by Mormons, who claim to be Priests with the only authority on Earth to do so, and that they must follow Mormon rituals, learn secret handshakes, avoid cokes and coffee, and obey all the Mormon commands their prophets give in order to attain Celestial “eternal life,” which they define as an eternal progression to godhood. Infidels are sent to “lesser” heavens and live forever, but they do not have access to become gods.
A trifle cynical? But it seems as good an explanation as anything else. Let all those non Mormons, Darwin themselves away.
Pressure will need to be kept on Mitt to try to avert such behavior from Washington. It’s still a more flexible situation than the stiffly Marxist Obama. The time of a dozen choices is over with the primaries. Mitt’s the pick for worse or better.
“I will add one more positive for the Church of LDS today. Ive been trying (with some degree of failure) to research my Dads side of the family. Virtually all of the genealogy sites charge or at least require registration. The Mormons site is absolutely free. Sometimes, all you need is a name & thanks to them, I found that name which took me all the way back to Ireland. Theyre not money-grubbers, for sure.”
The Mormons use the system so they can baptize your dead parents into the Mormon religion. They market themselves well so they can get you to join, be baptized, and then pay 10 percent of your gross income, not to mention you have to volunteer to work in Mormon business ventures when “called,” literally, by the LDS. At least, you do that if you want to get the Temple recommend and access to the Celestial Heaven.
It is called the exposure of mormonism, not pig-headiness.
The exposure of mormonism is a good thing, hopefully even mormons who do not know the foundation and inner teachings see God Almightys Light and flee the blasphemy, called mormonism.
And you would be wrong.
And, may I assure you, Jeff Head knows Mormonism. He doesn't need you to explain it to him.
And I don’t need to tell me that Jeff knows mormonism, he has learned his lessons well.
I know mormonism, apparently you do not.
“A trifle cynical?”
Trifle? You cut me most cruelly, sir. But it does resolve an *apparent* inconsistency into something that is coherent and logical. It even allows a legalist to wash his hands of the matter on the grounds that ‘they did this to themselves, I did not do it to them’.
Fabian demographics. Margaret Sanger would understand.
The question unanswered is, what does the Mitt situation have to do with this.
Romney never discouraged abortions. He supports abortion and in his state provided free to low cost.
mormnism is not pro-life, when you read all their qualifiers.
I’d say that would be cynical of Mitt. If he did that with such an idea in mind.
You have to keep up with the waffle-of-the-week to know the current score with Mitt on this.
ahahahahahah bwwwww !!!! so true
“Like I said, pig-headedness.”
You propagandist, I don’t think I’ve ever heard you quote the scripture or even explain your heretical position. You just insist we are in need of God’s forgiveness for pointing out that Mormonism is an anti-Christian cult. Either put up or shut up. These one liners are obnoxious.
“Romney never discouraged abortions.”
According to Beck, he did so within his congregation and in his private life, and only there. Other stories seem to confirm this. That appears to be inconsistent, until one thinks it through. The population pools are different, so consistency need not matter one whit.
As is intolerance and bigotry, wouldn't you agree?
“As is intolerance and bigotry, wouldn’t you agree?”
No, I really wouldn’t you vacuous troll.
And there you go “according to Beck”, a Romney supporter (stooge) from the beginning.
Abortions are a-ok with mormonism, as long as you ask the lds godS for permission.
Somehow, I really didn’t expect you to find intolerance and bigotry obnoxious...
I would vote for a Hindu against Obama."
Hear, hear. I would vote for a future god form the planet Kolob before I would vote for Obama.
We have had plenty of Mormons in high office, in the military and intelligence agencies.
“Somehow, I really didnt expect you to find intolerance and bigotry obnoxious...”
Somehow, I didn’t really expect your Alinsky tactics to allow you to not get the last word.
“Giving up Cokes I could handle, but I’d backslide every morning when I had my half a pot of Maxwell House Breakfast Blend.”
Reminds me of that episode from Seinfield. “NO HEAVEN FOR YOU!” and then they snatch away your salvation.
“And you would be wrong.”
Here’s the post responded to:
“Dont know about theology, but an individual who has been baptised in the name of the Trinity is considered Christian by Catholicsthey are part of the Church, if not the fullness of it, and Christians because of this, at least to my understanding. So if a Baptist wants to be a Catholic he or she doesnt have get Baptised again; they are already Christian. The Baptist tradition is Christian Baptism, the understanding of the Trinity is Christian.
As far as LDS, I think they seem to be outstanding as far as their voting habits generally. I believe they voted against Reid handily in NV against Angle.”
I think it is wrong to not bother to specify what I said that was wrong.
You may have it.
You are incorrect. Mormons do indeed claim to be Christian. However, Mormons claim not to be Protestant.
The county with the highest LDS % (70% LDS)—Lincoln county if I recall, voted for Angle over Reid by a handy majority.
J.W. Marriott should also thank Zer0 for bringing attention to Black Liberation Theology that his pastor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright preached in his Chicago church. Oh, I forgot. Everyone and their dog has done their damnedest to ignore Zer0’s religious influence.
I think Joseph Smith may have plagiarized his Book of Mormon from the 1823 book View of the Hebrews by Ethan Smith, the Apocrypha, The Golden Pot, by German author E.T.A. Hoffmann, and even from dreams of his own father. Through these sources, Smith was able to weave a hodge podge of writings that has captivated the fantasies of believers for 182 years. It is interesting how science fiction has such a strong appeal.
By the way, both Scientology and Mormonism are cults. However, if I were to have a cult, it would be Mormonism because of its benevolent influence.
"If Obama ran against Satan, I would make at least make a hearty endorsement for the devil in the House of Commons".
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