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“You Didn’t Build That” Isn’t Going Away: It doesn’t matter what Obama meant. Here’s why.
Slate ^ | August 30, 2012 | Rachael Larimore

Posted on 09/02/2012 7:40:21 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

The official theme of the GOP convention Wednesday night was "We Can Change That," but that didn’t stop several of the speakers from revisiting Tuesday’s theme, the base-rallying battle cry: “We Built It.” The message: The righteous exploitation of President Obama’s “You Didn’t Build That” gaffe isn’t going away.

Ever since the president stood before a crowd of supporters in Roanoke, Va., on July 13 and, while explaining why the wealthy should pay more in taxes, uttered the infamous words “If you've got a business—you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen,” conservatives have hammered him for his disregard for small-business owners. And liberals have hammered back that Obama was taken out of context. To be fair, this is the full quote:

If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business—you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen.

Obama supporters can complain all they want. They can argue that when he said “that,” he was talking about the roads and bridges, not the business itself. It doesn’t matter. And it’s pointless to blame Mitt Romney or the RNC or anyone else for taking it out of context. Here’s why....

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1 posted on 09/02/2012 7:40:25 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

He didn’t say what he said. If you think he said what you heard him say, you’re stupid.


2 posted on 09/02/2012 7:42:33 PM PDT by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Precisely!!!


3 posted on 09/02/2012 7:44:09 PM PDT by SierraWasp (Government it'self is the REAL "Free Rider!" Obamacare will create burdensome "Free Riding!!!")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It was no gaffe. he meant it.

The former co-founder of Car(l)Ma(r)x even supports the statement.


4 posted on 09/02/2012 7:44:09 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: GeronL

ditto that.


5 posted on 09/02/2012 7:45:46 PM PDT by Michael.SF. (Romney was right about the Olympics, but neither the Brits or the Dems will admit it.)
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To: GeronL

The Ameriquest of the used car industry.


6 posted on 09/02/2012 7:45:58 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: GeronL

Well thank you Carmax for letting me know your political views, now I know who never to do business with.


7 posted on 09/02/2012 7:48:16 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Slate.com eh? Another leftist off the reservation.


8 posted on 09/02/2012 7:50:14 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Back in the day, in my misspent youth, I was a student at the University of Oregon. I took a class in Marxism from one of the school’s strident and outspoken Marxists, and it was one of more eye-opening experiences of my life. To the point, then: Obama’s statement is classic Marxist thought. My prof taught us the same thing in our class - that is, the wealth appropriated by the capitalists came from the labor of the workers. The delusion of the capitalist is that he thinks that the wealth came from his effort, when actually it came from the workers. One day, at least according to the Marxists, the workers will rise up and kill the capitalists, thereby taking the wealth that they created through their labor. As my prof used to point out to the delight of those of us with more pedestrian values, good and bad have different meanings based on who you are. When the workers kill the capitalists, it won’t be good for the capitalists, but it will be good for the workers.

Famous Cherokee warrior Elizabeth Warren said the same thing last year, I believe.

In any case, I recognized Obama’s meaning the moment he said it. It’s an expression of his ideological core values.

God help us.


9 posted on 09/02/2012 7:54:00 PM PDT by redpoll
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

The partisan media shills running the p.o.s. USA Today carried water for Obama’s reelection campaign over this weekend. Thanks 2ndDivisionVet.


10 posted on 09/02/2012 7:55:17 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: GeronL

He didn’t just only mean that. He firmly believes it.
Everything was given to him.
His educational opportunities, his employment, his political offices.
He hasn’t accomplished anything but the attempt at dividing and destroying the USA. Even at that, he isn’t alone.


11 posted on 09/02/2012 7:56:56 PM PDT by RedMDer (https://support.woundedwarriorproject.org/default.aspx?tsid=93destr)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

obama meant just exactly what we thought he meant, context or no context!!!!

There is at least one other obama quote that should not be allowed to go away:

“Take the pain pill”!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-dQfb8WQvo


12 posted on 09/02/2012 7:57:56 PM PDT by Honorary Serb (Kosovo is Serbia! Free Srpska! Abolish ICTY!)
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To: Steely Tom
He didn’t say what he said. If you think he said what you heard him say, you’re stupid. And anyway, you really didn't build that without government help.
13 posted on 09/02/2012 8:02:33 PM PDT by fhayek
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To: Steely Tom
He didn’t say what he said. If you think he said what you heard him say, you’re stupid. And anyway, you really didn't build that without government help.
14 posted on 09/02/2012 8:02:39 PM PDT by fhayek
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Building things is racist.


15 posted on 09/02/2012 8:03:27 PM PDT by MuttTheHoople (Obama does not have the work ethic to be Anti-Christ.)
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To: SunkenCiv

I am tickled pink the media keeps commenting on this. I want this line to stay in the news, active and keep it’s punch! To me this is sweet payback for the way the leftists have twisted Sarah’s “I can see Russia from my house” statement, and refused to let that die even though it was shown to be a creative editing moment. As long as we keep it in the media discourse, it hurts the O re-election IMHO.

I want to see the empty chair phenomenon continue as well.


16 posted on 09/02/2012 8:08:15 PM PDT by austinaero (Obama or America - can't have both)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I find it difficult to believe someone like Obama could be so politically naive. He has been accused of being a socialist by the Republicans since and before he gained office, and he decides to go on a rant about how selfish business owners are for not wanting to pay exorbitant taxes. Then he complains his words were taken out of context. His problem is that the context is worse than the actual words. The context is not only the speech he gave that day but also his whole career.


17 posted on 09/02/2012 8:08:19 PM PDT by driftless2
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

How’s this from Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand (1957):

James Taggart on Hank Reardon:

“Rearden. He didn’t invent smelting and chemistry and air compression. He couldn’t have invented his Metal but for thousands and thousands of other people. His Metal! Why does he think it’s his? Why does he think it’s his invention? Everybody uses the work of everybody else. Nobody ever invents anything.”

She said, puzzled, “But the iron ore and all those other things were there all the time. Why didn’t anybody else make that Metal, but Mr. Rearden did?” (page 262).

That’s what missing in this whole discussion of Obama’s about “You didn’t build that by yourself”: Every inventor of something new worked within an existing social and economic circumstance, and did what no one else did. That is why it is foolish to insist that the inventor didn’t do it by himself. Instead, he worked within the existing circumstances and did what no one else did. In that sense he did do it by himself in spite of what Obama thinks.


18 posted on 09/02/2012 8:09:33 PM PDT by TIElniff (Autonomy is the guise of every graceless heart.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“You didn’t build that!”

Racist code-wording for you hate the BLACK President.

Just ask anyone at MSNBC or Daily Kos about this.


19 posted on 09/02/2012 8:10:08 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Election 2012: THE RAPTURE OF THE DEMOCRATS)
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To: austinaero
To me this is sweet payback for the way the leftists have twisted Sarah’s “I can see Russia from my house” statement,

You mean, the one that Sarah didn't say, but that Tina Fey said?

20 posted on 09/02/2012 8:11:22 PM PDT by thulldud (Is it "alter or abolish" time yet?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Before he got around to the "you didn't build that" line, Obama had already basically said "If you were successful:

1) Let me give you a list of everyone besides you who contributed to that success.

2) Let me mock you if you think you're successful because your smart, or because you worked hard.

3) Let me extol what everyone else has done to help you, without giving you any credit or acknowledgement. Let me especially ignore and make no mention of the fact that many of you may have risked your savings and/or gone into debt in order to start your businesses.

So naturally, by the time he got around to saying the "you didn't build that" line, even granting his claim that it was misinterpreted, the misinterpretation was still representative of the disimissive attitude toward business owners of everything he had said prior to that!

So Obama wants us to back off the "you didn't build that" line because it was misinterpreted! Fine ... then let's confront him with the three items I've mentioned above, because that clearly is what he did and did not say, and there is NO debating that!
21 posted on 09/02/2012 8:13:04 PM PDT by zencycler
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To: Steely Tom
That's what I thought I heard him say... he needn't try to complicate things by telling me how I should have interpreted what he said, because in the end, he still believes the same way ha has always believed, regardless if I heard him correctly or not. It all still points to the same thing, "small business owners are nobody special, anybody could have done what they did, and besides, if it wasn't for the government nipple slogging them upside the head, they couldn't succeed"...
22 posted on 09/02/2012 8:15:32 PM PDT by dps.inspect (rage against the Obama machine...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I commend Slate for trying to explain this to their readers. Afeter reading the comments from the “Progressives”, sadly, it didn’t work.


23 posted on 09/02/2012 8:15:32 PM PDT by griswold3 (Big Government does not tolerate rivals.)
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To: redpoll

Very eloquent summary.


24 posted on 09/02/2012 8:16:37 PM PDT by God pays good
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This is what he meant.

If you’ve got a business, that...you didn’t build that. Someone else made that happen.

That is why he must have a teleprompter. He cannot contain his hostility towards America without it.

He’s an idiot and a husk.


25 posted on 09/02/2012 8:17:02 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: redpoll

‘Property is theft’ since ‘You didn’t build that’, you have no complaint when it’s taken from you by force (which is government) if necessary.


26 posted on 09/02/2012 8:19:14 PM PDT by griswold3 (Big Government does not tolerate rivals.)
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To: Steely Tom

If you think he said what you heard him say, you’re a waysis too!.....


27 posted on 09/02/2012 8:21:25 PM PDT by Red Badger (Anyone who thinks wisdom comes with age is either too young or too stupid to know the difference....)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Obama didn't say, "You didn't build those", meaning roads and bridges. He said, "You didn't built that", meaning your business.
28 posted on 09/02/2012 8:23:21 PM PDT by Signalman
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To: austinaero

I wholeheartedly agree — there’s no such thing as bad publicity about Zero’s public expression of his real attitude — which is reparations [sic] and redistribution in a dissent-free environment.


29 posted on 09/02/2012 8:23:41 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: GeronL
The former co-founder of Car(l)Ma(r)x even supports the statement.

I just emailed carmax and told them I would never purchase a car from them again due to the owners support of Obummers comments. I told them to get ready to be "Chick-fil-a'd" in reverse. everybody needs to email these people.

30 posted on 09/02/2012 8:25:29 PM PDT by In God I trust
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To: RedMDer

Is it any wonder a person who firmly believes “white folks’ greed runs a world in need” - a line Obama quoted approvingly in his own book (page 293) - would also believe that a business owner only owns it by taking advantage of others?


31 posted on 09/02/2012 8:25:36 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (Liberalism: "Ex faslo quodlibet" - from falseness, anything follows)
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To: zencycler

You’re exactly right, and notice that Slate did not include those portions of the speech when they put the “You didn’t build that” into “context.” They conveniently left off the key sentences of the entire speech, which shows that “you didn’t build that” meant exactly what conservatives have been saying he meant:

“I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something — there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there.”


32 posted on 09/02/2012 8:27:07 PM PDT by RightFighter (It was all for nothing.)
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To: redpoll

I did the same thing as you, only my course was in Comparative Religions. What I learned about a little understood religion called Islam alarmed and frightened me, because I could extrapolate into the future the events that eventually came true on a bright sunny September morning in 2001. Islam and Marxism have a whole lot in common.......


33 posted on 09/02/2012 8:28:00 PM PDT by Red Badger (Anyone who thinks wisdom comes with age is either too young or too stupid to know the difference....)
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To: TIElniff

Yes, thank you, and I would add to that, that not only do some us do things with out help, we also acomplish things against great odds, with others - even family members - saying “You can’t do that, it will never work out.” And we get up and do it anyway. That’s what really makes me angry about that statement.


34 posted on 09/02/2012 8:29:20 PM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: Signalman

Aw that’s racist — to expect to interpret Barack’s remark as though it had been put in English! Ebonics mixes singulars and plurals without rhyme or reason. Surely there was an elided word [stuff] as in “You didn’t build that [stuff].”


35 posted on 09/02/2012 8:30:04 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew (or is that lou?))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The thing about the spin from the left on this as to what the President “actually meant” is that it doesn’t at all change the meaning - the point of the speech still remains to diminish the significance of individual achievement - that is the only thing it could have meant - with that sentence preceded by the other mocking comments about people claiming to be “so smart” and claiming they “worked hard”, etc. Their spin is also just as incorrect - the roads and bridges would not be there without business owners and their employees producing the capital that was taxed. Look at the old pictures of towns / cities when they were first starting up - no roads, no bridges. Dirt paths and little boats to take things across. Totally wrong - he and his fellow liberals have it backwards.


36 posted on 09/02/2012 8:30:12 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: austinaero

Sarah Palin NEVER, EVER uttered such a stupid and inane comment........


37 posted on 09/02/2012 8:30:59 PM PDT by Red Badger (Anyone who thinks wisdom comes with age is either too young or too stupid to know the difference....)
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To: Red Badger

Both believe in ganging up to do brutal, unthinkable things.


38 posted on 09/02/2012 8:33:12 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew (or is that lou?))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I wonder how professor thomas crapper feels about this. who knew obama helped him invent the toilet with the help of roads and bridges.


39 posted on 09/02/2012 8:49:15 PM PDT by Ryan_Rubio_2016
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I wonder how professor thomas crapper feels about this. who knew obama helped him invent the toilet with the help of roads and bridges.


40 posted on 09/02/2012 8:49:21 PM PDT by Ryan_Rubio_2016
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To: redpoll
You really do need to work with Marxist to see their true underpinnings. Watch one flaming red haired Marxist literally forcefully push a female employee down a flight of stairs. She had the audacity to demand getting paid for the work she had done for him. He replied to her that since she made a stink in front of me, she would not get paid.

Made me fell real sick. She was trying to tell him she needed the money to get her car out of the shop.

41 posted on 09/02/2012 8:52:41 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Slate did not include enough of the quote to get the larger context. They clipped of Obama making applause lines with the crowd listening that people who were successful did not get there because they worked had or were smart. Then he mentioned teachers and roads. Then he mentioned that people who owned business didn't "build that".

The difference is important. Obama was indeed saying that the success of the business owner was neither due to hard work nor to the unique talent of the business owner...and in FULL context there is no escape for the liberals trying to claim it was a gaffe.

42 posted on 09/02/2012 8:56:41 PM PDT by AndyTheBear
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Rachael Larimore appears to be the first liberal member of the press able to understand both sides. Rachael actually ‘empathized’ with us. Very strange - stranger yet that Slate ran it...


43 posted on 09/02/2012 9:02:03 PM PDT by GOPJ ("If you want to know who controls you, find out who you are not allowed to insult."TravisMcGee)
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To: In God I trust
From CarMax's Facebook page:

"Former CarMax associates or people affiliated with CarMax do not represent the company's views when speaking about the presidential campaign. CarMax does not take a position regarding presidential campaigns."

44 posted on 09/02/2012 9:02:14 PM PDT by EscapedDutch ("Socialism is great until you run out of other people's money" - Lady Margaret Thatcher)
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To: AndyTheBear
...in FULL context there is no escape for the liberals trying to claim it was a gaffe.

Add the derisive tone of voice, full of contempt for the business owner, and you there is no mmistaking precisely what he meant.

"out of context", my ass.

45 posted on 09/02/2012 9:02:41 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: MNJohnnie

Well thank you Carmax for letting me know your political views, now I know who never to do business with.
_______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

I left Progressive Insurance when I found out that they are big Democrat/Obama supporters (financially). My vehicles are now insured with Allstate. Progressive will never get another penny out of me.


46 posted on 09/02/2012 9:03:29 PM PDT by oliviasdad
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Even Slate, trying to show objectivity, STILL gets it wrong. They didn't cite the FULL quote, which incriminates more. In the full speech, Obama also demeans those successful business people by saying (paraphrased) "you successful people think you're smarter and work harder than everyone else-there are a lot of smart people, a d a lot of people who work hard..."

Again, this doesn't explain why ALL smart, hard-working people become successful. He implies that government is the sole contributor to success.

47 posted on 09/02/2012 9:04:30 PM PDT by Lou L (Health "insurance" is NOT the same as health "care")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Roads and bridges were built by Americans using American taxpayers money. The government has no money. The money to pay for all that came from hard working Americans. Damn straight We Built That!


48 posted on 09/02/2012 9:07:07 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("OF COURSE I TALK TO MYSELF - Sometimes I need an expert opinion")
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To: Steely Tom

Hahah. Do you believe what obomo says he said- or your lying ears?


49 posted on 09/02/2012 9:10:39 PM PDT by citizen (America is at an awkward stage...Too late to work within the system, too early to shoot the bastards)
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To: Steely Tom

Hahah. Do you believe what obomo says he said- or your lying ears?


50 posted on 09/02/2012 9:10:43 PM PDT by citizen (America is at an awkward stage...Too late to work within the system, too early to shoot the bastards)
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