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Light goes out for incandescent bulbs (in Europe)
EurActiv ^ | Published 31 August 2012; updated 03 September 2012 | Leo Hickman for the Guardian, part of the Guardian Environment Network

Posted on 09/03/2012 9:07:01 AM PDT by Olog-hai

After more than a century lighting up the world, the switch will be flicked off across the EU for the final time on incandescent bulbs on Saturday as the phased ban on their sale is completed.

From 1 September, a European Union directive aimed at reducing the energy use of lighting means that retailers will no longer be allowed to sell 40-Watt and 25-Watt incandescent bulbs. Similar bans came into effect for 60-Watt and 100-Watt incandescent bulbs over the past three years. The restrictions are predicted to save 39 terawatt-hours of electricity across the EU annually by 2020.

Earlier this year, the UK government said the ban would bring an "average annual net benefit" of £108 million ($172 million) to the UK between 2010 and 2020 in energy savings. But the phase-out of incandescents has been met with resistance by some users who say replacement technologies, such as CFLs, halogens and LEDs, do not perform as well. Despite the substantial long-term financial savings promised, the higher upfront price of replacement bulbs has also been criticized by those opposing the ban. …

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1 posted on 09/03/2012 9:07:06 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Candles and caves are what the Socialist overlords have in mind for the peasantry. Candles and caves!


2 posted on 09/03/2012 9:10:33 AM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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3 posted on 09/03/2012 9:12:48 AM PDT by narses
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To: Olog-hai

Y’all attach those chains nice and tight; y’hear?

Pray for America


4 posted on 09/03/2012 9:13:34 AM PDT by bray (The Gummit didn't make my business, God did!)
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To: Olog-hai

"The lamps are going out all over Europe. We shall not see them lit again in our time" -- Edward Grey, 1st Viscount Grey of Fallodon

5 posted on 09/03/2012 9:17:47 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (ua)
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To: Olog-hai
Thank you George W dumbass doofus Bush for signing this stupid piece of legislation in America to phase out incandescent light bulbs. Already 100W & 75W are no longer carried except for what the companies had in stock, next will be 60W and then 40W & 25W. The legacy of pandering doofus, stupid, dumbass GW Bush will haunt & destroy America every bit as much as the RAT bastard commie pig 0dumb0. GW Bush had every oppportunity to have gone down as perhaps the greatest American president if he had governed as a staunch conservative. Instead he was & always has been a liberal New World Order socialist masquerading as Republican conservative.

The two greatest inventions in the history of mankind, the incandescent electric light bulb and the gasoline combustion engine...otherwise we would be no different than the last 5000 years. And yet that isn't good enough for the liberal retards & environmento crazies..... they want to push America & the world back into the stone age, and only the elitists will have modern conveniences.

Thank you dumbass doofus GW Bush...your stupidity & idiocy lives on!

6 posted on 09/03/2012 9:20:42 AM PDT by rcrngroup
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To: Olog-hai
$172 million

This offensive act of social engineering to save a measly $172 million?

7 posted on 09/03/2012 9:21:43 AM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Don Corleone

Think about this every time I have to flush a toilet twice maybe three times.


8 posted on 09/03/2012 9:22:32 AM PDT by dhs12345
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To: rcrngroup

I’ve been stocking up on the regular bulbs for over a year now. I just about have a lifetime supply. Stupid politicians, they find the stupidest ways to “earn” their pay. We’d be better off if they did nothing and just left folks alone.


9 posted on 09/03/2012 9:23:05 AM PDT by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: Yardstick

Yeah, in the UK. Over ten years, which means an average of $17.2 million per year not counting inflation, which won’t mean all that much anyhow.


10 posted on 09/03/2012 9:23:25 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: rcrngroup
Thank you George W dumbass doofus Bush

While I understand your frustration, it's important to realize that an idiocy this big cannot be held by one man alone.

The Republican House had a chance recently to reject this madness, and voted "Present".

11 posted on 09/03/2012 9:24:09 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Olog-hai

I should be good through 2020.


12 posted on 09/03/2012 9:24:41 AM PDT by G Larry (Progressives are Regressive because their objectives devolve to the lowest common denominator.)
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To: dhs12345

I also replaced all my toilets with the old-style high-capacity ones. Every time TPTB come up with a new stupid regulation, this is how I’m going to respond to the best of my ability.


13 posted on 09/03/2012 9:27:02 AM PDT by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: rcrngroup
It is already proven that the CFL bulbs are not so energy efficient and contain excessive amounts of mercury. So, the idea of using them is being dumped. Politicians and energy non-profits not knowing what to do are jumping on the LED bandwagon that is already starting to fizzle.

Much of the world has seen the wisdom of magnetic induction. So is the the City of Carlsbad in California, but as usual we're being played by the beltway and NGOs.

14 posted on 09/03/2012 9:29:50 AM PDT by Baynative
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To: Don Corleone

“Candles and caves are what the Socialist overlords have in mind for the peasantry.”

Absolutely true.


15 posted on 09/03/2012 9:29:51 AM PDT by jocon307
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To: Don Corleone

Shrugs, if I were a bulb manufacturer, I would just make 101 watt, 61 watt, 41 watt, and 26 watt bulbs


16 posted on 09/03/2012 9:30:50 AM PDT by lwoodham (I am Andrew Breitbart. Don't doubt me on this.)
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To: Olog-hai

There will be big business in the black market as Asia, South America and Africa aren’t following this folly...


17 posted on 09/03/2012 9:40:58 AM PDT by Hotlanta Mike (Resurrect the House Committee on Un-American Activities (HUAC)...before there is no America!)
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To: Olog-hai
The restrictions are predicted to save 39 terawatt-hours of electricity across the EU annually by 2020.

...and further make a mockery of the concept of individual freedom. Western Europe has become a land of two-legged sheep - or rather is simply reverting to their long history of a huge, sheep-like peasantry utterly controlled and ruled by a small, all-powerful ruling class which decides what the peasants may have and what is too dangerous for the peasants to meddle with. The only real difference is a higher standard of living.

But this is not to say we aren't getting there too. We're just a few years behind, and both the Democrats and the GOP are determined to see us there - the Democrats would like to do it at 100mph and the GOP is willing to do it at only 90mph.
18 posted on 09/03/2012 9:44:56 AM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: lwoodham

You can find them online. Also, I read that the ban doesn’t apply to incandescent bulbs rated as ‘industrial’ rather than residential.


19 posted on 09/03/2012 9:51:18 AM PDT by citizen (America is at an awkward stage...Too late to work within the system, too early to shoot the bastards)
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To: Olog-hai

Not only is the light-bulb a victim of these greenies, but so is the old style washing machine! You can hardly find a washer with an agitator anymore! (I know, there’s one in the WH) These new high-efficiency washers do not clean clothes worth a damn! And the amount of ‘water savings’ is on par with the amount of ‘electric watt savings’ of these new bulbs. It’s just the left shoving their way down our throats.


20 posted on 09/03/2012 9:57:00 AM PDT by ShovelThemOut
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To: dhs12345
Think about this every time I have to flush a toilet twice maybe three times.

And get a plunger to unclog it, even though I barely used any toilet paper.

21 posted on 09/03/2012 9:58:24 AM PDT by dfwgator (I'm voting for Ryan and that other guy.)
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To: Izzy Dunne

“The Buck Stops Here.”


22 posted on 09/03/2012 9:59:03 AM PDT by dfwgator (I'm voting for Ryan and that other guy.)
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To: Izzy Dunne

It would not have survived a 0bama veto even if it managed to get through the Senate.


23 posted on 09/03/2012 9:59:40 AM PDT by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class!)
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To: Olog-hai

100 watters are verboten here (USA) but you can still get 75 watt incandescents at Home Depot etc. But 75 watters will be banned come Jan 1st so stock up

I notice that HD has mercury based incandescents 100 watts illumination rating but done with 75 watts of electricity so they get the green fascist stamp of approval. The rip off price is 2 for 4$


24 posted on 09/03/2012 10:04:59 AM PDT by dennisw (Government be yo mamma - Re-elect Barack Obama)
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To: reg45
It would not have survived a 0bama veto even if it managed to get through the Senate.

I understand that, but what is the point of having an opposition if you're not going to oppose anything?

Stand and be counted, I say.

25 posted on 09/03/2012 10:05:32 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: ShovelThemOut

The reason that the new washing machines do not clean is not their fault. It’s the fault of the new phosphate free detergents.


26 posted on 09/03/2012 10:11:08 AM PDT by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class!)
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To: Olog-hai

Europe is failing as usual with any nations that adopt communists like manifesto.


27 posted on 09/03/2012 10:13:00 AM PDT by Logical me
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To: Baynative

Every technology has a problem. The magnetic induction systems radiate RF like a banchee. Being a ham radio operator, this is particularly NOT A GOOD IDEA. This is one of the reasons that this technology hasn’t caught on.


28 posted on 09/03/2012 10:19:44 AM PDT by fremont_steve
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To: fremont_steve

As a side note - after reading the wikipedia page on same, this technology also uses Mercury.

No free lunch.


29 posted on 09/03/2012 10:23:42 AM PDT by fremont_steve
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To: Izzy Dunne

“Stand and be counted, I say.”

“Stand and deliver” is what the nannystate says.


30 posted on 09/03/2012 10:37:58 AM PDT by 43north (BHO: 50% black, 50% white, 100% RED)
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To: Izzy Dunne
Hopefully when we get some cooler thinking people in the White House, they will throw this damned ban on incandescent light bulb crap out the window.
31 posted on 09/03/2012 10:39:26 AM PDT by Northern Yankee (Where Liberty dwells, there is my Country. - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Olog-hai

Let’s see, it’s against the law for my 90 mother-in-law with macular degeneration to purchase light bulbs that are sufficiently bright enough for her but we are encouraged to ‘save the planet’ by purchasing electric cars which use electricity approx. equivalent to 15 100W bulbs burning 24 hrs/day. This is California, of course it makes sense!! It’s all about what seems like a good idea.....


32 posted on 09/03/2012 10:46:06 AM PDT by TMD (Behind enemy lines.....)
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To: Olog-hai
I've used CFL's for a long time, but really, they are only good in certain application. Places where they might be used for extended periods of time (outdoor night lighting), and places where any extended life might be a relief (hard to reach bulbs). But anywhere that you are going to have constant on and off cycles is a not a great idea, like a bathroom. For us southerners, the lower heat output of CFL's is a nice side benefit too.

I plan on stocking up on incandescents too. For some if not most applications, they just make more sense.

33 posted on 09/03/2012 10:46:49 AM PDT by Paradox (I want Obama defeated. Period.)
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To: 43north

If there was a point to your comment, I missed it completely.

I am in no way a nannystater.


34 posted on 09/03/2012 10:47:25 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: ShovelThemOut
You can hardly find a washer with an agitator anymore! (I know, there’s one in the WH)

I had no idea Michelle does her own laundry. Or were you referring to Barack?

35 posted on 09/03/2012 10:48:21 AM PDT by Bernard ("He that is good for making excuses is seldom good for anything else' - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Olog-hai

Let the smuggling begin!


36 posted on 09/03/2012 10:52:12 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: Olog-hai

“The restrictions are predicted to save 39 terawatt-hours of electricity across the EU annually by 2020”

According to wikipedia, present annual consumption of electricity in the EU is 3,000 terawatt hours.

Thus the projected savings, in eight years, amounts to 1.3% of present consumption.

Whereas according to IAEA, consumption will increase: “projected primary energy demand growth of 1.7% per year.”

The projected savings eight years out do not amount to more than the projected year over year increase for a single year.

The light bulb mandate has very little to do with conservation, and everthing to do with control.


37 posted on 09/03/2012 10:53:20 AM PDT by ThirdMate
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To: Olog-hai

As for the “environmentalists” and politicians who forced this law, their bulbs have been dim for decades.


38 posted on 09/03/2012 10:59:36 AM PDT by DPMD
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To: Izzy Dunne

Why are all the new bulbs at least 10x as much? Any dumbass knows the answer to this question. It has nothing to do with conserving energy IMO and more about greasing palms.


39 posted on 09/03/2012 10:59:59 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: jsanders2001
Why are all the new bulbs at least 10x as much?

They're not.

I've switched to a Walmart brand "Lights of America" (Chinese made, unfortunately). More lumens than the 60 watters I was buying. Uses 14 watts (I measured it). Costs about a dollar a bulb. Dunno about life yet - claim is 10000 hours but I only switched last December.

Tried some a few years ago - they lasted from 20 seconds to 20 hours, but they all died. These have lasted since Dec with no casualties.

40 posted on 09/03/2012 11:21:21 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Paradox

I agree with everything you said — and you said it so well, I won’t repeat it.

For us “northerners” (actually southern Canada, but you know what I mean) there is little or no benefit from the lower heat output of CFLs. Here, heating season and lighting season largely overlap. We have more hours of daylight in the summer, than you do in the south — and therefore use a lot less lighting than we do in the winter (with longer nights). During the winter, the heat from the light bulbs contributes to keeping the house warm.

Regarding the extended life; I’ve been writing the date I install each CFL bulb on the base. That’s where I discovered how important the cycle time is, as you mentioned.


41 posted on 09/03/2012 11:41:51 AM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: Olog-hai
If you keep pet reptiles, you need to have incandescent basking lights for their health. You can't use CFL bulbs for this purpose because they don't throw off enough heat. I have been buying up numerous 25W and 40W tubular incandescent bulbs in 99 cent stores against the day I can't get them any more. They work just as well as the expensive special basking light bulbs sold at pet shops to keep my little lizards warm. They get their UV requirements from the fluorescent UVB bulbs over their tanks. I know that there are numerous herp-keepers over in Europe. I wonder what they are going to do with this stupid ban?

I also have a remote control ceiling fan which originally wouldn't work. I called in a ceiling fan specialist electrician. He explained that the particular remote receiver in this fan (a Hunter) would not work unless I had at least one incandescent bulb installed in its light kit, because somehow the receiver needed the filament in the bulb to pass along its message "Light up, you guys." I switched out one of the CFL bulbs in the light kit for an identical looking incandescent bulb and voila! They ALL then worked. How weird is that?

Now HERE'S 2 problems I bet nobody else here thought of!

42 posted on 09/03/2012 12:00:16 PM PDT by EinNYC
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To: Izzy Dunne

Most of the CFLs at Walmart are subsidized, hence the lower price. They even admitted as much when the prices first went down.


43 posted on 09/03/2012 12:03:59 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: lwoodham

That’s what I was wondering. If you just started manufacturing incandescent bulbs and selling them in different wattage??? I can’t believe no one has brought a court challenge against this idiocy. Seems the Fed Govt. should not be able to ban anything so necessary to our lives as “lighting”.


44 posted on 09/03/2012 12:15:51 PM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: Olog-hai
Most of the CFLs at Walmart are subsidized

By whom? The U.S Government?

The Chinese Government?

45 posted on 09/03/2012 12:15:58 PM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Izzy Dunne

Both federal and state governments.

Since China’s still producing incandescent bulbs, it would not serve their interests to offer any discount whether via subsidy or otherwise for the CFLs


46 posted on 09/03/2012 12:47:20 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai
Holy crap, I've been hoodwinked.

By my own government.

I knew it was crap when they first came out. But I thought the technology had improved (it has, some) enough to where the market could handle it.

Guess I was fooled.

47 posted on 09/03/2012 12:57:41 PM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: mrsmel

So you found them? More power to ya.


48 posted on 09/03/2012 1:11:34 PM PDT by dhs12345
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To: dhs12345

My husband did-we live in MS, apparently it wasn’t difficult at all :) We found three of them.


49 posted on 09/03/2012 1:59:42 PM PDT by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: Olog-hai
Ok, so this saves $17.2 million per year in the UK. There are 23.6 million households in the UK. This means that the average household saves $0.72 per year!!!

I don't know if the folks who calculated the cost savings figured in the price difference between incandescent bulbs and their CFL/LED replacements, but I can assure you that it is far more than $0.72.

50 posted on 09/03/2012 2:11:20 PM PDT by Stonewall Jackson ("I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy.")
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