Posted on 09/03/2012 12:22:45 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
John Bolton, former U.S. Ambassador to the UN, the most honest and clearheaded person in foreign policy, is saying that Israel should not wait to attack Iran because Barack Obama will never come to Israel’s aid. In an interview published in Maariv, Bolton stated:
"There is no way at this stage to prevent Iran from going nuclear without use of force. It is very unfortunate in my opinion, but I see no possibility that Obama will use military force, and therefore it falls upon Israel. I think that even though the Administration says that containment is not its policy, it will become its policy the day after Iran possesses nuclear weapons".
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The deeper question is, will attacking the Persians hand the election to Zero? If so, it is not worth it for Israel nor the US. I’d rather have a nuclear Iran than four more years of Zero.
- Arthur Szyk. He knew.
The idea that ANY military action would redound to Obama’s benefit is preposterous.
He simply doesn’t have that kind of credibility.
To quote Israel: “It’s just you and me G-d!”
Saved me the trouble of going and finding that classic graphic!
There is one thing we must never let the world forget.
If Israel gets destroyed it is because liberal Democrats refused to help knowing the potential outcome.
And if a Nuclear war erupts/nuke terror occurs, see above.
There is ZERO way around those simple truths.
If there is a war between Israel and Iran, America will be involved. Some voters—who might otherwise have voted for Romney—will be against changing leaders during a war.
And American Jews will continue to vote overwhelmingly Democrat.
May Hashem protect Israel and America
Well the majority of Jews support Obama so...
It makes no sense for Israel to attack Iran before the election . . it could very well backfire and get Obama re-elected. Or Obama could turn his back on Israel and Israelis could get killed for no good reason.
Better to wait until after the election. If Romney wins, the US will assist Israel. If Obama wins, they can attack the day after the election.
My guess is that the Jewish vote is 2-1 against Romney, but the Jewish donors are probably equal for Romney and Obama.
Adelson alone will be pumping about $300 million into the GOP coffers.
To translate, Mr. Bolton is simply saying to Israel, “wait until Mitt and Paul get elected to take any action”.
“Help is on the way.”
I've heard that old chestnut, like everyone else. I just can't bring myself to believe it is an ironclad truth, particularly with this President.
If a general like Peter Pace were running against an incumbent Hillary on the eve of hostilities, does anyone really believe the country would stick with Hillary?
First, welcome to FR.
Second, you make some good points Steven, it would not surprise me in the least if Netanyahu pulls the trigger on Iran as soon as the polls close on November 6th.
“Better to wait until after the election. If Romney wins, the US will assist Israel. If Obama wins, they can attack the day after the election.”
Your logic makes eminent sense—and the Iranians know this too. Thus, if Israel wishes strategic surprise, attacking before the election may make more sense. If it were a slam dunk that Romney will win, then the case for waiting becomes more compelling (any U.S. assistance in such a strike presumably would outweigh the advantages of surprise from an October attack). The issue therefore is whether the election’s outcome will become so open-and-shut before the end of October that it precludes the need for surprise attack etc.
What element of surprise? I assure you that Iran has a newspaper subscription to Haaretz and the Jerusalem Post.
“I assure you that Iran has a newspaper subscription to Haaretz and the Jerusalem Post.”
I don’t pretend to be a great expert on the history of Israeli military strategy. My impression is that media notwithstanding they previously have managed to achieve strategic surprise in preemptive attacks against their enemies. I myself have no reason to believe they have lost that capability.
Admittedly, attacking Iranian nuclear facilities is a far more complicated proposition than the attack on Osirak or al-Kibar. Thus, an attack of the scale required arguably is much harder to disguise/hide than those other attacks. For example, the U.S. achieved some element of surprise in its attack on Iraq in the first Gulf War even though the build-up for that attack went on for months.
Just think. If 0bama wins the election and Israel attacks Iran’s nukes, what will the markets look like. It will probably close in a couple of hours after falling 10%. The would be Bibi’s way of saying FUBO.
As Israel is indeed alone, they must give up on their long cherished reservations about war.
Assuming that the war will turn into a nuclear war, what hesitation should Israel feel about using chemical or even biological weapons?
Importantly, biological weapons need not be directed at humans, but can be used against crops, animals, and even stored food to great effect. And done so in such a way as to be deniable.
But throughout Iran, people could become sick to any number of contagions. Sick to the point of disability or death. And faster than their doctors and hospitals can respond.
This is end game stuff, and Israel truly is on its own.
They tend to revel in their guilt, real or imagined. But there is no guilt left when your country has been annihilated and you are all dead. So instead, Israel should only feel guilty once Iran is no longer a threat.
Take 50 years to feel guilty. Take 100 years, if you like to revel in your delicious guilt. But do not screw around any longer, because your enemies will celebrate your annihilation, and they will feel no guilt.
And if Israel must do this, then Israel should share the wealth, by smiting every one of their enemies at once.
Leave Mecca destroyed with a filthy nuclear weapon, so that it cannot be used for 10,000 years. Wipe out Damascus, Baghdad, Cairo, Beirut, Amman, Tripoli, etc., along with Tehran and Iran’s other cities.
Let Muslims feel the price for all their hate. For their endless, barbaric aggression. Exterminate much of the ummah.
If you can find a single one that has not called for the destruction of Israel, spare them. But none ever has.
And I also assure you that the Iranians have read this in June.
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"The best way to get that message across is to make it very clear that if Israel is faced between an Iran nuclear bomb, or having to launch a preemptive nuclear strike to prevent that eventuality, it will opt for the latter......The world must be told loud and clear by Israel that the only way to avoid the first nuclear strike by a nation since Nagasaki is to take whatever actions are required to ensure Iran doesn’t get the bomb, and to prevent an Iranian conventional weapons build up to the point where a preemptive nuclear strike becomes the only option for dealing with the rogue ayatollah regime."
"Israel Needs A Preemptive Nuclear Strike Against Iran"
http://www.israelnewsagency.com/iranisraelnuclearariel3890624.html
The most likely scenario if Israel attacks Iran before Election Day:
Obama gives the minimal possible assistance possible to the Israelis and then rides that scanty assistance to four more years in the White House, with the loving assistance of the Mainstream Liberal Media.
Regardless, I beleive that Israel will go to any lengths to prevent it's total extintion - including, if it has to - the use of Israel's neutron b's.
Remember, and this is an absolute irrefutable point and that is that either Israel totally and completely prevents an Iranian 1st nuclear strike on Tel Aviv / Israel or Israel - "faces being Gone!" It all boils down to this now! I say Israel will not risk being Gone!
nope....reght after the election, Obama is still in power...have to wait until January if Romney wins.
Oh I forgot, Obama still going to be in the WH until 1/20/13.
Upchuck, you’re very astute. What is your take on my posts #27 and #29.
Luke ch 17 Jesus replied, “Just as the gathering of vultures shows there is a carcass nearby, so these signs indicate that the end is near.”£
Exactly.
Thank you for the kind words.
IMHO, the Jews have always been God's chosen people. I doubt the Israelis want to use a nuclear weapon, although they might be forced to use a low-yield nuclear bunker buster against Iran.
I've always thought a non-nuclear EMP weapon might be best. It could be launched from the Arabian sea. And it could be shaped to cause minimal damage to neighboring countries.
But even an EMP weapon might not be effective against Iran's deeply buried nuclear facilities. However the EMP would disrupt the surrounding infrastructure so that the buried facilities would, in effect, be rendered useless.
Iran could rebuild from an EMP attack. It would take them several years I suspect.
Iran could not rebuild from a nuclear attack.
Excellent post, thank you.
No power, no computers. No computers, no nukes. No nothing. Israel could set Iran back a hundred years.
This from earlier today:
U.S. Tells Iran: We Won’t Join Israeli Attack
Monday, September 03, 2012 7:16:25 AM · 24 of 46
MestaMachine to Eleutheria5
If Netanyahu ‘disappears’ and can’t be found for a day or so, then ‘reappears’ as if he had never been gone, start the countdown. What Israel does then will surprise the world.
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Israel has a surprising ace in the hole. Take it to the bank.
Iran would have to rebuild their entire electrical infrastructure. Plus every every electrical gadget in the country would be worthless. I question whether Iran has the financial wherewithal to bear this burden.
Of course, the price of oil and probably gold would go nuts. Gas here in the US could easily hit $6 a gallon. But that would be temporary.
I’ve read interesting hypotheses about Israel launching an EMP attack against Iran. Without causing serious death/destruction from a traditional attack or - worse - a WMD (nuclear, chem, biologic) attack, EMP would theoretically render Iran’s military, industrial, nuclear facilities useless.
I’m far from an expert in this area. It does seem intriguing though and the type of bold and unique approach that the Israelis seem to be attracted to, especially in this situation in which Israel has been (as we all expected) thrown under the Obamabus and Iran has significant military capabilities (which could be used against Israel and us in retaliation).
Anyone in Freeper-land with any expertise in this area? Is such an approach feasible?
Sorry - didn’t get a chance to read the other posts re EMP.
It does seem like the only answer to a Rubik’s cube-level dilemma.
If other Freepers have more technical insight into the feasibility of this, I’d love to hear it, as I am truly heartsick over Israel’s dilemma (much of it, of course, its own fault).
If Bibi goes on and attacks Iran then Oil prices will go through the roof and gas could very well be $6 a gallon or worse on election day. That will not be in Obama’s favor at all.
Also Bibi hates Obama and certainly is not going to do anything to throw the election his way.
I don’t believe that Israel attacking before or after the election is anything most of the electorate cares about.
I think most of us are weary of the wars and to the point that if the Middle East wants to annihilate itself please go ahead.
Saw an interview with Danny Danon. He stated with no equivoction rhat Israel HAS the technolology to send ALL of Iran into utter darkness. He even mentioned traffic lights. He said it would leave them in chaos and unable to respond. It would completely shut down Iran’s entire infrastructure including all of their telecommunications which would shut them off from the world. He was very angry and very certain of his words, reiterating that Israel has technology no one has ever seen and would not hesitate to use it.
I also have no doubt that Israel could take out their satellites leaving them blind.
And contrary to what the world thinks, Israel is NOT alone.
Believe me, I hope it’s just an old chestnut. There are no shortage of variables. I still believe Zero has the bully pulpit and the advantage if war breaks out in the ME. He will try to manipulate the situation to his own advantage. God willing, it may blow up in his face.
Nuvista, I'm just curious. Why do you say it is Israel's own fault? What do you mean by this?
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