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John Bolton Confirms: Israel Is Alone
Brietbart.com ^ | August 31, 2012 | William Bigelow

Posted on 09/03/2012 12:22:45 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta

John Bolton, former U.S. Ambassador to the UN, the most honest and clearheaded person in foreign policy, is saying that Israel should not wait to attack Iran because Barack Obama will never come to Israel’s aid. In an interview published in Maariv, Bolton stated:

"There is no way at this stage to prevent Iran from going nuclear without use of force. It is very unfortunate in my opinion, but I see no possibility that Obama will use military force, and therefore it falls upon Israel. I think that even though the Administration says that containment is not its policy, it will become its policy the day after Iran possesses nuclear weapons".

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1 posted on 09/03/2012 12:22:48 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

2 posted on 09/03/2012 12:26:28 PM PDT by dfwgator (I'm voting for Ryan and that other guy.)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

The deeper question is, will attacking the Persians hand the election to Zero? If so, it is not worth it for Israel nor the US. I’d rather have a nuclear Iran than four more years of Zero.


3 posted on 09/03/2012 12:29:54 PM PDT by Combat_Liberalism
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

- Arthur Szyk. He knew.

4 posted on 09/03/2012 12:30:21 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGS Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: Combat_Liberalism
A nuclear Iran almost guarantees as nuclear arms race in the Middle East and Likely nuclear war if not precipitated by nuclear terrorism. The reelection of Obama means the loss of America as we know it.
5 posted on 09/03/2012 12:34:34 PM PDT by fuente
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To: Combat_Liberalism
A nuclear Iran almost guarantees as nuclear arms race in the Middle East and Likely nuclear war if not precipitated by nuclear terrorism. The reelection of Obama means the loss of America as we know it.
6 posted on 09/03/2012 12:34:42 PM PDT by fuente
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To: Combat_Liberalism

The idea that ANY military action would redound to Obama’s benefit is preposterous.

He simply doesn’t have that kind of credibility.


7 posted on 09/03/2012 12:36:39 PM PDT by papertyger ("And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if..."))
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

To quote Israel: “It’s just you and me G-d!”


8 posted on 09/03/2012 12:39:18 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1323 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama, a queer and present danger)
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To: dfwgator

Saved me the trouble of going and finding that classic graphic!


9 posted on 09/03/2012 12:46:57 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (ua)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

There is one thing we must never let the world forget.

If Israel gets destroyed it is because liberal Democrats refused to help knowing the potential outcome.

And if a Nuclear war erupts/nuke terror occurs, see above.

There is ZERO way around those simple truths.


10 posted on 09/03/2012 12:47:14 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: papertyger

If there is a war between Israel and Iran, America will be involved. Some voters—who might otherwise have voted for Romney—will be against changing leaders during a war.


11 posted on 09/03/2012 12:54:42 PM PDT by Combat_Liberalism
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To: Norm Lenhart
If Israel gets destroyed it is because liberal Democrats refused to help knowing the potential outcome. And if a Nuclear war erupts/nuke terror occurs, see above. There is ZERO way around those simple truths.

And American Jews will continue to vote overwhelmingly Democrat.

12 posted on 09/03/2012 1:02:41 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Charlie Daniels - Payback Time http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWwTJj_nosI)
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To: AnAmericanMother

May Hashem protect Israel and America


13 posted on 09/03/2012 1:05:22 PM PDT by dennisw (Government be yo mamma - Re-elect Barack Obama)
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To: null and void

Well the majority of Jews support Obama so...


14 posted on 09/03/2012 1:07:21 PM PDT by ladyjane
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To: ladyjane

It makes no sense for Israel to attack Iran before the election . . it could very well backfire and get Obama re-elected. Or Obama could turn his back on Israel and Israelis could get killed for no good reason.

Better to wait until after the election. If Romney wins, the US will assist Israel. If Obama wins, they can attack the day after the election.


15 posted on 09/03/2012 1:14:10 PM PDT by StevenFlorida
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To: ladyjane

My guess is that the Jewish vote is 2-1 against Romney, but the Jewish donors are probably equal for Romney and Obama.

Adelson alone will be pumping about $300 million into the GOP coffers.


16 posted on 09/03/2012 1:18:00 PM PDT by StevenFlorida
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

To translate, Mr. Bolton is simply saying to Israel, “wait until Mitt and Paul get elected to take any action”.


17 posted on 09/03/2012 1:24:52 PM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Biggirl

“Help is on the way.”


18 posted on 09/03/2012 1:25:46 PM PDT by dfwgator (I'm voting for Ryan and that other guy.)
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To: Combat_Liberalism
Some voters—who might otherwise have voted for Romney—will be against changing leaders during a war.

I've heard that old chestnut, like everyone else. I just can't bring myself to believe it is an ironclad truth, particularly with this President.

If a general like Peter Pace were running against an incumbent Hillary on the eve of hostilities, does anyone really believe the country would stick with Hillary?

19 posted on 09/03/2012 1:32:44 PM PDT by papertyger ("And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if..."))
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To: StevenFlorida

First, welcome to FR.

Second, you make some good points Steven, it would not surprise me in the least if Netanyahu pulls the trigger on Iran as soon as the polls close on November 6th.


20 posted on 09/03/2012 1:33:15 PM PDT by mkjessup (Finley Peter Dunne - "Politics ain't beanbag")
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To: StevenFlorida

“Better to wait until after the election. If Romney wins, the US will assist Israel. If Obama wins, they can attack the day after the election.”

Your logic makes eminent sense—and the Iranians know this too. Thus, if Israel wishes strategic surprise, attacking before the election may make more sense. If it were a slam dunk that Romney will win, then the case for waiting becomes more compelling (any U.S. assistance in such a strike presumably would outweigh the advantages of surprise from an October attack). The issue therefore is whether the election’s outcome will become so open-and-shut before the end of October that it precludes the need for surprise attack etc.


21 posted on 09/03/2012 1:33:19 PM PDT by DrC
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To: papertyger
If a general like Peter Pace were running against an incumbent Hillary on the eve of hostilities, does anyone really believe the country would stick with Hillary?

**BUMP** for the General Pace mention!

General Peter Pace is a Marine's Marine, a patriot, one of the finest men to serve as Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff (and was unfortunately thrown under the bus by GWB), and I would have been highly pleased if he had been considered as a VP choice by Romney, not taking anything away from Paul Ryan.

In a Romney Administration, I can think of no finer man to serve as Secretary of Defense.

Semper Fi!
22 posted on 09/03/2012 1:39:10 PM PDT by mkjessup (Finley Peter Dunne - "Politics ain't beanbag")
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To: DrC

What element of surprise? I assure you that Iran has a newspaper subscription to Haaretz and the Jerusalem Post.


23 posted on 09/03/2012 1:39:47 PM PDT by StevenFlorida
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To: StevenFlorida

“I assure you that Iran has a newspaper subscription to Haaretz and the Jerusalem Post.”

I don’t pretend to be a great expert on the history of Israeli military strategy. My impression is that media notwithstanding they previously have managed to achieve strategic surprise in preemptive attacks against their enemies. I myself have no reason to believe they have lost that capability.

Admittedly, attacking Iranian nuclear facilities is a far more complicated proposition than the attack on Osirak or al-Kibar. Thus, an attack of the scale required arguably is much harder to disguise/hide than those other attacks. For example, the U.S. achieved some element of surprise in its attack on Iraq in the first Gulf War even though the build-up for that attack went on for months.


24 posted on 09/03/2012 2:03:33 PM PDT by DrC
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

Just think. If 0bama wins the election and Israel attacks Iran’s nukes, what will the markets look like. It will probably close in a couple of hours after falling 10%. The would be Bibi’s way of saying FUBO.


25 posted on 09/03/2012 2:22:10 PM PDT by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est; zero sera dans l'enfer bientot)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

As Israel is indeed alone, they must give up on their long cherished reservations about war.

Assuming that the war will turn into a nuclear war, what hesitation should Israel feel about using chemical or even biological weapons?

Importantly, biological weapons need not be directed at humans, but can be used against crops, animals, and even stored food to great effect. And done so in such a way as to be deniable.

But throughout Iran, people could become sick to any number of contagions. Sick to the point of disability or death. And faster than their doctors and hospitals can respond.

This is end game stuff, and Israel truly is on its own.

They tend to revel in their guilt, real or imagined. But there is no guilt left when your country has been annihilated and you are all dead. So instead, Israel should only feel guilty once Iran is no longer a threat.

Take 50 years to feel guilty. Take 100 years, if you like to revel in your delicious guilt. But do not screw around any longer, because your enemies will celebrate your annihilation, and they will feel no guilt.

And if Israel must do this, then Israel should share the wealth, by smiting every one of their enemies at once.

Leave Mecca destroyed with a filthy nuclear weapon, so that it cannot be used for 10,000 years. Wipe out Damascus, Baghdad, Cairo, Beirut, Amman, Tripoli, etc., along with Tehran and Iran’s other cities.

Let Muslims feel the price for all their hate. For their endless, barbaric aggression. Exterminate much of the ummah.

If you can find a single one that has not called for the destruction of Israel, spare them. But none ever has.


26 posted on 09/03/2012 2:38:53 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: DrC; StevenFlorida; Jewbacca; doug from upland; b4its2late; Sarah Barracuda
I assure you that Iran has a newspaper subscription to Haaretz and the Jerusalem Post.

And I also assure you that the Iranians have read this in June.

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"The best way to get that message across is to make it very clear that if Israel is faced between an Iran nuclear bomb, or having to launch a preemptive nuclear strike to prevent that eventuality, it will opt for the latter......The world must be told loud and clear by Israel that the only way to avoid the first nuclear strike by a nation since Nagasaki is to take whatever actions are required to ensure Iran doesn’t get the bomb, and to prevent an Iranian conventional weapons build up to the point where a preemptive nuclear strike becomes the only option for dealing with the rogue ayatollah regime."

"Israel Needs A Preemptive Nuclear Strike Against Iran"
http://www.israelnewsagency.com/iranisraelnuclearariel3890624.html

27 posted on 09/03/2012 2:49:42 PM PDT by Mr Apple ( http://www.israelnewsagency.com/iranisraelnuclearariel3890624.html)
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To: Mr Apple

The most likely scenario if Israel attacks Iran before Election Day:

Obama gives the minimal possible assistance possible to the Israelis and then rides that scanty assistance to four more years in the White House, with the loving assistance of the Mainstream Liberal Media.


28 posted on 09/03/2012 3:06:45 PM PDT by StevenFlorida
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To: DrC
Thus, an attack of the scale required arguably is much harder...

Regardless, I beleive that Israel will go to any lengths to prevent it's total extintion - including, if it has to - the use of Israel's neutron b's.
Remember, and this is an absolute irrefutable point and that is that either Israel totally and completely prevents an Iranian 1st nuclear strike on Tel Aviv / Israel or Israel - "faces being Gone!" It all boils down to this now! I say Israel will not risk being Gone!

29 posted on 09/03/2012 3:06:59 PM PDT by Mr Apple ( http://www.israelnewsagency.com/iranisraelnuclearariel3890624.html)
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To: Biggirl
To translate, Mr. Bolton is simply saying to Israel, “wait until Mitt and Paul get elected to take any action”.

nope....reght after the election, Obama is still in power...have to wait until January if Romney wins.

30 posted on 09/03/2012 3:07:50 PM PDT by terycarl
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To: terycarl

Oh I forgot, Obama still going to be in the WH until 1/20/13.


31 posted on 09/03/2012 3:12:05 PM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: upchuck

Upchuck, you’re very astute. What is your take on my posts #27 and #29.


32 posted on 09/03/2012 3:56:36 PM PDT by Mr Apple ( http://www.israelnewsagency.com/iranisraelnuclearariel3890624.html)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

Luke ch 17 Jesus replied, “Just as the gathering of vultures shows there is a carcass nearby, so these signs indicate that the end is near.”£


33 posted on 09/03/2012 4:01:22 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: cva66snipe

Exactly.


34 posted on 09/03/2012 4:16:56 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta (In the last days, mockers will come with their mocking... (2 Peter 3:3))
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To: Mr Apple
Upchuck, you’re very astute. What is your take on my posts #27 and #29.

Thank you for the kind words.

IMHO, the Jews have always been God's chosen people. I doubt the Israelis want to use a nuclear weapon, although they might be forced to use a low-yield nuclear bunker buster against Iran.

I've always thought a non-nuclear EMP weapon might be best. It could be launched from the Arabian sea. And it could be shaped to cause minimal damage to neighboring countries.

But even an EMP weapon might not be effective against Iran's deeply buried nuclear facilities. However the EMP would disrupt the surrounding infrastructure so that the buried facilities would, in effect, be rendered useless.

Iran could rebuild from an EMP attack. It would take them several years I suspect.

Iran could not rebuild from a nuclear attack.

35 posted on 09/03/2012 4:38:31 PM PDT by upchuck ("Definition of 'racist:' someone that is winning an argument with a liberal." ~ Peter Brimelow)
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To: upchuck; Jewbacca; MestaMachine; KC_Lion

Excellent post, thank you.


36 posted on 09/03/2012 4:52:52 PM PDT by Mr Apple ( http://www.israelnewsagency.com/iranisraelnuclearariel3890624.html)
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To: Mr Apple
Never mind, Hilary Clinton just negated everything I just said.
37 posted on 09/03/2012 4:56:33 PM PDT by KC_Lion ( Wherever I find myself standing, I forever stand with Israel.)
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To: upchuck

No power, no computers. No computers, no nukes. No nothing. Israel could set Iran back a hundred years.

This from earlier today:

U.S. Tells Iran: We Won’t Join Israeli Attack
Monday, September 03, 2012 7:16:25 AM · 24 of 46
MestaMachine to Eleutheria5
If Netanyahu ‘disappears’ and can’t be found for a day or so, then ‘reappears’ as if he had never been gone, start the countdown. What Israel does then will surprise the world.
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Israel has a surprising ace in the hole. Take it to the bank.


38 posted on 09/03/2012 6:09:22 PM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills and bo stinks)
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To: MestaMachine; Mr Apple

Iran would have to rebuild their entire electrical infrastructure. Plus every every electrical gadget in the country would be worthless. I question whether Iran has the financial wherewithal to bear this burden.

Of course, the price of oil and probably gold would go nuts. Gas here in the US could easily hit $6 a gallon. But that would be temporary.


39 posted on 09/03/2012 8:55:33 PM PDT by upchuck ("Definition of 'racist:' someone that is winning an argument with a liberal." ~ Peter Brimelow)
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To: DrC

I’ve read interesting hypotheses about Israel launching an EMP attack against Iran. Without causing serious death/destruction from a traditional attack or - worse - a WMD (nuclear, chem, biologic) attack, EMP would theoretically render Iran’s military, industrial, nuclear facilities useless.
I’m far from an expert in this area. It does seem intriguing though and the type of bold and unique approach that the Israelis seem to be attracted to, especially in this situation in which Israel has been (as we all expected) thrown under the Obamabus and Iran has significant military capabilities (which could be used against Israel and us in retaliation).

Anyone in Freeper-land with any expertise in this area? Is such an approach feasible?


40 posted on 09/03/2012 9:28:04 PM PDT by nuvista (Obama-care - you think that arrogant Marxist "cares" about you?)
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To: nuvista

Sorry - didn’t get a chance to read the other posts re EMP.
It does seem like the only answer to a Rubik’s cube-level dilemma.
If other Freepers have more technical insight into the feasibility of this, I’d love to hear it, as I am truly heartsick over Israel’s dilemma (much of it, of course, its own fault).


41 posted on 09/03/2012 9:38:30 PM PDT by nuvista (Obama-care - you think that arrogant Marxist "cares" about you?)
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To: Combat_Liberalism

If Bibi goes on and attacks Iran then Oil prices will go through the roof and gas could very well be $6 a gallon or worse on election day. That will not be in Obama’s favor at all.
Also Bibi hates Obama and certainly is not going to do anything to throw the election his way.


42 posted on 09/03/2012 9:43:23 PM PDT by Captain Peter Blood
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To: StevenFlorida

I don’t believe that Israel attacking before or after the election is anything most of the electorate cares about.
I think most of us are weary of the wars and to the point that if the Middle East wants to annihilate itself please go ahead.


43 posted on 09/03/2012 9:48:35 PM PDT by Captain Peter Blood
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To: nuvista

Saw an interview with Danny Danon. He stated with no equivoction rhat Israel HAS the technolology to send ALL of Iran into utter darkness. He even mentioned traffic lights. He said it would leave them in chaos and unable to respond. It would completely shut down Iran’s entire infrastructure including all of their telecommunications which would shut them off from the world. He was very angry and very certain of his words, reiterating that Israel has technology no one has ever seen and would not hesitate to use it.
I also have no doubt that Israel could take out their satellites leaving them blind.
And contrary to what the world thinks, Israel is NOT alone.


44 posted on 09/04/2012 12:02:13 AM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills and bo stinks)
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To: papertyger

Believe me, I hope it’s just an old chestnut. There are no shortage of variables. I still believe Zero has the bully pulpit and the advantage if war breaks out in the ME. He will try to manipulate the situation to his own advantage. God willing, it may blow up in his face.


45 posted on 09/04/2012 6:47:24 AM PDT by Combat_Liberalism
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To: nuvista
I am truly heartsick over Israel’s dilemma (much of it, of course, its own fault).

Nuvista, I'm just curious. Why do you say it is Israel's own fault? What do you mean by this?

46 posted on 09/04/2012 2:15:29 PM PDT by Mr Apple ( http://www.israelnewsagency.com/iranisraelnuclearariel3890624.html)
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