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Democrats Say U.S. Is Better Off Than Now Four Years Ago
New York Times ^ | 09/03/2012 | JIM RUTENBERG

Posted on 09/03/2012 8:01:07 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

CHARLOTTE, N.C. — A day after fumbling a predictable and straightforward question posed by Mitt Romney last week — are Americans better off than they were four years ago — the Obama campaign provided a response on Monday that it said would be hammered home during the Democratic convention here this week: “Absolutely.”

The focus on the campaign’s handling of the question, after halting and contradictory responses from Democrats on Sunday, complicated the White House’s effort to begin striking a set of themes the president intends to highlight here and carry through the general election.

That effort starts with an argument that Mr. Romney, the Republican nominee, would raise taxes on the middle class while cutting them for the wealthy. It seeks to pitch forward to the next four years the case that Mr. Obama and his allies have made over the spring and summer that Mr. Romney’s business career showed him intent on profit even at the expense of workers and that his wealth has given him tax advantages not enjoyed by regular people.

“The problem is everybody’s already seen his economic playbook,” Mr. Obama said at a campaign stop in Ohio before a Labor Day audience largely consisting of United Auto Workers union members. “On first down he hikes taxes by nearly $2,000 on the average family with kids in order to pay for a massive tax cut for multimillionaires.”

The Obama campaign began running a new commercial making the same point, and asserting, “The middle class is carrying a heavy load in America, but Romney doesn’t see it.”

As delegates streamed in for the opening of the convention on Tuesday, Mr. Obama and his team were putting the finishing touches on a program that requires a different kind of political daring from the one they showed

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: campaign; democrats; economy

1 posted on 09/03/2012 8:01:14 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Stupid gringos

2 posted on 09/03/2012 8:03:02 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: SeekAndFind
Bravo Sierra!
3 posted on 09/03/2012 8:03:15 PM PDT by lightman (Settling for the "lesser of two..." is still choosing Evil)
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To: SeekAndFind

What lying sacks these people are!!


4 posted on 09/03/2012 8:03:38 PM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: SeekAndFind

If the democrat party keeps saying that then they won’t have a chance. Only the hardcore useful idiots will still vote for them.


5 posted on 09/03/2012 8:06:04 PM PDT by barmag25
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To: SeekAndFind

Zer0 has given us more of lots of things.


6 posted on 09/03/2012 8:06:04 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: SeekAndFind

I hope they pick this as the theme for their little get-together. Try to sell that to the college graduates of the last four years, or all the former mid-level managers and middle class people now working the night shift at the Stop-N-Go.

This isn’t going to fool anyone. And R2 should have plenty of personal stories they can put on TV ads of people who will say otherwise.


7 posted on 09/03/2012 8:07:23 PM PDT by henkster (We're the slaves of the phony leaders...)
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To: SeekAndFind
It depends on what the meaning of "better off" is, is.

Some people are happy just receiving food stamps or a disability check.

8 posted on 09/03/2012 8:08:37 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Had enough of the freaks running the show yet?)
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To: SeekAndFind

Not all Democrats are thrilled with Barry the Marxist. Check out this website and watch the trailer. Hannity spent an hour on this last week and talked with some of the people in the documentary. I’ve sent it to my email list.

http://thehopeandthechange.com/


9 posted on 09/03/2012 8:08:52 PM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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To: SeekAndFind

Simply replace democrat in the article with idiot, and it all makes sense.


10 posted on 09/03/2012 8:11:16 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: SeekAndFind
Democrats Say U.S. Is Better Off Than Now Four Years Ago

Just proves that idiocy knows no bounds.

11 posted on 09/03/2012 8:11:33 PM PDT by doc1019 (Given my choices, I will not be voting this time around.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Ummm, better off?? Romney will inherit higher national debt, sustained economic uncertainty, higher unemployment, higher gas prices, an unresolved war in Afghanistan and time bombs in Iran and Syria (among many others), a health care bill that needs to be repealed, and many other issues Obama failed to address. How the hell is anyone better off??


12 posted on 09/03/2012 8:12:31 PM PDT by edge919
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To: dragnet2
"Unemployment is good for the economy."

yitbos

13 posted on 09/03/2012 8:14:03 PM PDT by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds." -- Ayn Rand)
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To: SeekAndFind
“On first down he hikes taxes by nearly $2,000 on the average family with kids in order to pay for a massive tax cut for multimillionaires.”

Wow, soooo original.

**yawn**

Seriously -- do even union members buy this garbage any more?

14 posted on 09/03/2012 8:14:08 PM PDT by workerbee (June 28, 2012 -- 9/11 From Within)
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To: SeekAndFind

The RATs just alerted the MSM that Operation Big Lie is in effect, and that they will need their full cooperation.

It must warm their hearts to see the NY Times rushing out to be among the first to run the necessary interference for them.


15 posted on 09/03/2012 8:18:30 PM PDT by comebacknewt (Newt (sigh) what could have been . . .)
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To: SeekAndFind

Economically we have lower housing values and higher unemployment but we have higher equities. I vote that the USA is worse off economically.


16 posted on 09/03/2012 8:18:57 PM PDT by impimp
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To: impimp

Exactly when did Romney say he was going to increase taxes on the middle class?


17 posted on 09/03/2012 8:21:03 PM PDT by stocksthatgoup (Wealth = Net Worth Income = Net Work)
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To: bruinbirdman

Wow. What a truly hideously ugly woman. It does indeed go to the bone.


18 posted on 09/03/2012 8:22:17 PM PDT by henkster (We're the slaves of the phony leaders...)
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To: workerbee
Seriously -- do even union members buy this garbage any more?

Sadly, yes. An awful lot of brain dead Americans absolutely buy it. This isn't your Grandfather's or even your Father's country any more. America is becoming more and more of a leftist nation with every passing year.

19 posted on 09/03/2012 8:22:49 PM PDT by comebacknewt (Newt (sigh) what could have been . . .)
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To: SeekAndFind

I always lie to pollsters, always. It messes things up and makes us more free.


20 posted on 09/03/2012 8:25:24 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: impimp

gas has doubled, food is way up, unemployment way up, home equities wiped out, real personal income maybe half of four years ago....yep we are better off than we were 4 years ago...


21 posted on 09/03/2012 8:36:42 PM PDT by himno hero (hadnuff)
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To: ExTexasRedhead

I watched the “Hope & the Change Video”; very nice. Of course it begs the question: What change did these people want? What did they expect? Didn’t they listen to him when the said “we can’t have 5% of the world’s population and use 25% of its resources?” What about “Under my plan, utility rates would necessarily skyrocket?”

When I was in college, I read “Biedermann und die Brandstifter,” a German play that was an allegory for the passivity of middle-class Germans who refused to believe that Hitler would do exactly what he said he would do, and then were shocked when Germany and Europe were destroyed. I learned to listen carefully to what politicians say when you know they really mean it. Like 0bama’s quotes above.

These people are disappointed because they’re stupid. Sorry, but it is what it is.


22 posted on 09/03/2012 8:37:20 PM PDT by henkster (We're the slaves of the phony leaders...)
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To: stocksthatgoup

Are you sure your post is directed to me?

Anyway, without even knowing what you are talking about and without even knowing what middle class is I have a hard time answering you. But I’ll try anyway -

I did hear that Romney was more interested in lowering taxes on those making under 250k than those making over 250k. I don’t think those making under 250k deserve to be treated better by Romney than those with higher income. I think Romney is full of Commie class-warfare against the high income producers.


23 posted on 09/03/2012 8:40:56 PM PDT by impimp
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To: stocksthatgoup

He didn’t. And there is nothing to point at that signifies it will happen.


24 posted on 09/03/2012 8:42:29 PM PDT by MaxMax
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To: SeekAndFind

I hope they really beat that drum, because there’s WAY too many people who can see with their own eyes that such a claim is total BS, and if they had no doubts before about what liars the Obammunists mighgt be, then this one should give them serious pause as to what else the RatCommies have been lying about.


25 posted on 09/03/2012 8:47:46 PM PDT by catnipman ((Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!))
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To: SeekAndFind

Better off? Yeah, four years ago Democrats owned every branch of the government. Now, they don’t, and they’re facing the real possibility of not owning ANY branch of the government.


26 posted on 09/03/2012 8:49:38 PM PDT by Big Giant Head
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To: SeekAndFind
Both CNN and PMSNBC had hour long Obama Specials tonight.

I just scanned by them, but I could tell they were Obama Love Propaganda shows. The Media does not hide their ideology, they celebrate it.

27 posted on 09/03/2012 8:49:47 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (Republicans Hope people are Smart, but Democrats Know people are Stupid.)
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To: SeekAndFind

The question should be are you better off now or if McCain had been elected?

The Bolshies try to make the argument that things would not be this good if DumBO had not been elected. The argument is would it be this bad if McCain had been elected. We would not have JackA$$care, $5 trillion added debt, Dodd-Frank, EPA regulations, oil drilling moratoriums, and wars lost among other disasters.


28 posted on 09/03/2012 8:50:25 PM PDT by depressed in 06 (6 November, 2012, the day our embarrassment is sent back to Kenya.)
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To: depressed in 06

McCain would have destroyed what’s left of the Republican Party, and probably gotten us into WWIII over Syria or Libya.


29 posted on 09/03/2012 8:52:47 PM PDT by dfwgator (I'm voting for Ryan and that other guy.)
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To: Big Giant Head

From your Keyboard to God’s Monitor.


30 posted on 09/03/2012 8:53:06 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (Republicans Hope people are Smart, but Democrats Know people are Stupid.)
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To: SeekAndFind

So, then, they are offering four more years of the same?


31 posted on 09/03/2012 9:10:39 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (CREDO QUIA ABSURDUM)
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To: SeekAndFind
Democrats Say U.S. Is Better Off Than Now Four Years Ago

Democrats Don't Know Sh|t!

32 posted on 09/03/2012 9:25:43 PM PDT by upchuck ("Definition of 'racist:' someone that is winning an argument with a liberal." ~ Peter Brimelow)
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To: impimp

Our family is certainly worse off than we were. One person was laid off and is now making 2/3 what he was, another family member is underemployed, and a third is unemployed. And in spite of making less, we are all facing higher taxes next year. If this is better, I would hate to see worse.


33 posted on 09/03/2012 9:31:44 PM PDT by Pining_4_TX ( The state is the great fiction by which everybody seeks to live at the expense of everybody else. ~)
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To: SeekAndFind

On Face The Nation, Guv O’Malley [Dem from MD] said we are not better off than 4 years ago, then added that it was not what this election is about. He then proceeded to balme Bush ...

To which Bob Shieffer replied that Bush was not on the ballot ...

I live in MD - O’Malley is a lying sack of sh*t. He bullied the legislature into increasing taxes on those making $125,000 or more and also got them to pass a bill for a 6th casino in the state.

Like $125,000 goes a long way in MD [without the increase in taxes] and like we have enuf gambling population to support 6 casinos !!!


34 posted on 09/03/2012 10:10:42 PM PDT by Lmo56 (If ya wanna run with the big dawgs - ya gotta learn to piss in the tall grass ...)
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To: dfwgator

This is going to hurt, but you do realize that this might be exactly what NEEDED to happen?

I’m not promoting WWIII, that would be terrible, but instead of standing our ground in the middle east for something that might resemble moral principles we instead have an administration that is avoiding conflict by happily supporting the Muslim Brotherhood taking over the entire region one country at a time. McCain MIGHT have avoided taking this path.

And destroying whats left of the Republican Party? Having that happen four years ago and hitting rock bottom might have given us time to rebuild our platform instead of what we got this time: stuck with Romney when we could have done much better.

For example... Palin would have had 4 years of VP under her belt right now and would be next in line. If she could have gotten through that relatively uncorrupted we might have had another Reagan landslide on our hands right now.

And why are you saying things that force me to support McCain, whom I might dislike even more than Romney? I’m going to have to go take a shower now.


35 posted on 09/03/2012 11:42:38 PM PDT by Advil000
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To: comebacknewt

“Sadly, yes. An awful lot of brain dead Americans absolutely buy it.”

I agree, but this is a hard one to push on people. Anyone who wants to believe it gets kicked in the face every time they stop at a gas station or supermarket...


36 posted on 09/04/2012 3:30:25 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: workerbee

You know, I looked through all the tax stuff at Romney’s site and I plain cannot figure out where they are getting this $2000 tax hike thing.


37 posted on 09/04/2012 3:42:25 AM PDT by sf4dubya (I rebelled against my parents by becoming a conservative. REJECT THEN STOP SOCIALISM THIS NOV!)
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To: stocksthatgoup

Where is this $2000 tax hike? Here is what it says on MittRomney.com:

Reducing and stabilizing federal spending is essential, but breathing life into the present anemic recovery will also require fixing the nation’s tax code to focus on jobs and growth. To repair the nation’s tax code, marginal rates must be brought down to stimulate entrepreneurship, job creation, and investment, while still raising the revenue needed to fund a smaller, smarter, simpler government. The principle of fairness must be preserved in federal tax and spending policy.

Individual Taxes

America’s individual tax code applies relatively high marginal tax rates on a narrow tax base. Those high rates discourage work and entrepreneurship, as well as savings and investment. With 54 percent of private sector workers employed outside of corporations, individual rates also define the incentives for job-creating businesses. Lower marginal tax rates secure for all Americans the economic gains from tax reform.

Make permanent, across-the-board 20 percent cut in marginal rates
Maintain current tax rates on interest, dividends, and capital gains
Eliminate taxes for taxpayers with AGI below $200,000 on interest, dividends, and capital gains
Eliminate the Death Tax
Repeal the Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT)

Corporate Taxes

The U.S. economy’s 35 percent corporate tax rate is among the highest in the industrial world, reducing the ability of our nation’s businesses to compete in the global economy and to invest and create jobs at home. By limiting investment and growth, the high rate of corporate tax also hurts U.S. wages.

Cut the corporate rate to 25 percent
Strengthen and make permanent the R&D tax credit
Switch to a territorial tax system
Repeal the corporate Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT)


38 posted on 09/04/2012 3:50:02 AM PDT by sf4dubya (I rebelled against my parents by becoming a conservative. REJECT THEN STOP SOCIALISM THIS NOV!)
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To: Mike Darancette

RE: So, then, they are offering four more years of the same?

Yes. That is why their theme this year is — FORWARD ( as in forward towards the cliff ).


39 posted on 09/04/2012 4:10:09 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (bOTRT)
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To: dragnet2

OK, if Democrats think we are better off than we were 4 years ago, and if only about 33% of polled persons say they are better off than they were 4 years ago, doesn’t that translate into only 33% of the population [or less] are identifying themselves as Democrats?


40 posted on 09/04/2012 10:15:46 AM PDT by Gumdrop
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