Skip to comments.Iranians Fear a War with Israel
Posted on 09/04/2012 12:39:46 AM PDT by Eleutheria5
Irans leadership has publicly stated that it would crush any Israeli offensive against its nuclear facilities, but Irans ordinary citizens appear to feel otherwise, Channel 10 News reported on Monday.
The channel spoke with several Iranian citizens who, without revealing their identities, said that there is great tension and fear among Iranians over a possible war with Israel.
The Iranians understand their current president says terrible things about Israel, said one Iranian, a resident of Bushehr. You can be sure that not all Iranians agree with the behavior of their leaders.
The Iranian, who was identified as H., admitted that, contrary to the declarations of Irans leaders, the West's harsh sanctions against the Islamic Republic have severely hurt innocent civilians. There are a lot of poor people who need help, they work day and night to survive. Please, do not attack us, he said.
Although the Bushehr reactor is considered to be less alarming to the West, H. claimed that local residents were very worried about their fate should Israel attack Iran. If war breaks out, Bushehr will be perhaps the most dangerous place in the Middle East, he said.
Another citizen from northern Iran told Channel 10, This is not a conflict or dispute between Israel and Iran, but only between the countries two governments.
Some citizens also claimed that the Iranian nuclear program is not necessarily intended to harm Israel. "We are surrounded by Arabs who hate us," said A., a resident of Tehran. "....
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The Iranian, who was identified as H., admitted that, contrary to the declarations of Irans leaders, the West's harsh sanctions against the Islamic Republic have severely hurt innocent civilians. There are a lot of poor people who need help, they work day and night to survive. Please, do not attack us, he said."
Nobody told me to say this. Honest.
IF they fear a war with Israel, they need to take it up with their own government. The hell with peaceful demonstrations. Take the damn government out the same way they put it in.
They are correct that their threat closer to home are the Arabs, not Israel. In an ideal world, the Iranis and Israelis would be allies.
Attacking Iran may be necessary to stop the Irani govt getting the bbombb, but it will strengthen the hands of the regime (showing this as "foreigners attacking us") which are weakened due to the trade sanctions
Don't get me wrong-- I think Israel would NEED to attack if the weapon is not stopped, but this would lead to a lengthening of the days of the Ayatollah's regime.
The present government in Iran was put in place by Jimmy Carter not the Iranians.
Jimmy Carters government bullied the Shah of Iran in to not putting down the Islamist rebels and in to permitting the ayatollah to return from exile in France.
The present government has no foreign power that they respect that could pressure them to be merciful to rebels seeking to remove them from power. Obama has already shown that he will not assist Iranians seeking regime change.
Any Iranian students trying to show the Iranian government that they are dissatisfied know that they are putting their life on the line. So dont be so quick to say that these people should topple their government unless you are willing to help them.
It’s unfortunate, but the innocent must be toasted with the guilty.
War is hell.
Israel cannot sit idly by and wait for the nukes from Iran.
...besides, you can bet the Mullahs will be partying anyway in their fallout shelters stocked with plenty of booze and booty.
With no choice to attack, I agree, however, as you said in the end, it must fall and fall hard taking Hizbollah and the rest of the Jihadis with them... -- it MUST, but how do we do that? The only way is for a reverse "arab spring"
Mohammadanism is hell. The sooner people are liberated from it, the better off all of humanity will be.
Israel has some 800+ nuclear weapons, including many thermonuclear, which are submarine, land-based and air-capable. Iran has somewhere between 2-10 fission weapons. That would be like a fist-fight between a healthy Incredible Hulk and Pee-Wee Herman with the flu. The Iranians have every reason to fear destruction if they don’t overthrow their masters in the next few weeks.
You make it sound as if Iran had no choice in its fate. Students are not the only ‘people’ in Iran. And as far as what I have or have not done to ‘help’ them, do not assume what you don’t know.
If I was a civilian in Iran I would fear Israel too. The Iranian wussies couldn’t beat the Iraqis in a 10-year war. Using the human wave machine against Iraqi machine guns.
The idealism that breeds revolution is most often found in the brashness of youth as is the violence necessary to carry out that revolution.
Older wiser heads either lead the revolution or try to stay well away from it.
The radicals that occupied the US embassy in Tehran were young students. It was primarily students that marched in 2009.
I am of course speaking in generalities but if you are going to start a revolution you are going do it with idealist young people not old fogies.
If you are going to subvert a revolution (as most often happens) it is going to be with violence which again is most often done by young idealist. People who believe in peaceful democracy dont stand much of a chance against violent young idealist. Particularly if they are out gunned.
If you are in some way supporting those in Iran who seek freedom I am sorry to have offended you. I tire of hearing from those who sleep in safety every night criticizing those who live helplessly in fear for their lives daily for not standing up to tyrants.
“I tire of hearing from those who sleep in safety every night criticizing those who live helplessly in fear for their lives daily for not standing up to tyrants.”
As do I.
The Iranians tried to fight their gov’t in 2009 (IIRC).
Their gov’t killed them in the streets.
The Iranians tried peaceful protests hoping the world would somehow come to their aid. They were wrong. The world did not care.
Nobody really knows how many, if any, nukes Israel has. One thing is, however, certain. 2-10 fission weapons, directly hitting Israel, would be the end of us. We’re the Pee-Wee Herman, no matter how many nukes we do or don’t have. They have land mass. We’re a dinky triangle of a country with a knack for somehow being the center of the world’s attention, whether we want it or not.
By the way, they see the Europeans as pure Milquetoast, no backbone and no jelly body, just a mass of pathetic slime. At least the Americans lash out when required. The Europeans wet themselves...OK, except for the Brits! -- depends on whom -- for Iraqis and Iranis they fear the Russians more than Americans. the Russians have been pushing on them since the 1600s.
And the Arabs laugh at both Europeans and Russians
the only way is to nuke Macca and Madinah
The students try to rise, but the weapons etc. are with the Ayatollahs.
it's not easy to win against an entrenched regime in your own country, when they have all the weapons etc.
Many just resign themselves to their fate and do nothing, unless there is a push the other way (like in Libya where everyone was a Gaddafi loyalist until suddenly the tide turned the other way and everyone switched).
I wouldn’t call them wussies for charging machine guns in waves. Stupid, yes, foolhardy, yes, but wussies, no
you will be, as long as you "occupy Islamic lands" -- the moslems consider your land to be theirs. They will never leave Israel in peace, unfortunately.
The 10 year war between Iran and Iraq ended in a stalemate. But Israel is a different animal, and the Iranian leadership should be greatly concerned. The Israelis don’t take prisoners.
Take me down the road on this one. What is the end result?
Sort of like the Holocaust was not aimed at Jews, just the Jewish leadership. It wasn't the Germans who murdered six million Jews, it was that tiny minority in the government, and that tiny fraction of Germans who manned the camps, and the armed forces, and the munition factors, and the railroads and the farms and police and schools and media, and who took possession of shops and factories and artwork and homes stolen from Jews. Other than that tiny minority, Germans were blameless.
Losing a war has caused more regimes to be ousted than any other cause. Ask the Generals in Argentina after they occupied the Falklands.
Nuke Makkah & Madinah and IMO a majority of the world’s Muslims will be left in a daze.
“Why couldn’t Allah protect his holy cities!!?”
The Islamic nations will suddenly ask themselves if their capitals might be next. There will be wild outbursts but no monolithic attack upon the Kuffar. Nothing to face toward & pray to but a glowing crater. Every Muslim in America or UK will be watching his back as the hated “infidels” watch his every move.
“Thinking of payback, Achmed?”
Of course, who’s going to drop the nuke? There’s the rub.
Yes we do, and then release them by the hundreds to free just one.
Did I ever say they would?
The civil war was just between politicians. WW I was just between some monarchs./sarc
Another one that I have heard is that the tomb is the center of islam. Without it, islam perishes.
good point. hmmm... perhaps you are correct. If Israel can clearly get the message that it is only against the current regime, it could eliminate the nukes and potentially get an ally in a post-Ayatollah Iran
muhammad’s tomb in Medina.
muhammad’s tomb in Medina.
If youd like to be on or off, please FR mail me.
>>>>muhammads tomb in Medina.
Pith be upon it.
Iran is a geographically big country. Israel is small. Two fission weapons (particularly if they put cobalt casings on them), delivered to Haifa and Jerusalem, would create enough fallout to make Israel nonviable over the long term.
And does anyone doubt the incompetence of the Iranian military? Plus, what's going to happen when they lob a missle at the naval base in Bahrain or outside of Kandahar or at an aircraft carrier? Big Ears Obama has told Iran, the US is not going to back the Israeli attack, so don't hit us. Iran has answered by bitch-slapping Larry Sinclair's love buddy.
Do you think Americans are going to rally around Obama? I don't. I think they'll rally around the military, but not the Muslim appeaser Obama.
But that's just MHO.
hardly -- it could be taken on by the Pakis.
That’s not correct. The Saudis when they came to power (with the help of the British) destroyed the tombs of the prophet’s successors. The tomb itself is not allowed to be a site of veneration by the Wahabbi authorities (as it would be to Sufis).
>>>”Attacking Iran may be necessary to stop the Irani govt getting the bbombb, but it will strengthen the hands of the regime (showing this as “foreigners attacking us”) which are weakened due to the trade sanctions”<<<
I disagree. Back in the early yrs of revolution i.e. 1980s, while Khomeini was alive, he used the war with Iraq, which Khomeini deliberately prolonged after 2 yrs by refusing Saddam’s offer of truce, just to consolidate his revolution, your reasoning applied, but no longer and not now.
Besides, Khomeini was much more of a charismatic leader, or perceived as such, than Khamenei (present supreme leader) is or will ever be.
The socalled “Islamic (Khomeinist) Revolution” is mostly dead in Iran with the new generations. They will not fight for the mullahs.
Of course, a good majority fear for their lives, who wouldn’t in that situation?! Particularly if you know that all this “we’ll kill Israel, etc..” is a whole lot of hot air, and that it is bound to get a 1000 times uglier than the war with Iraq!
As for Sanctions hurting the civilians, they are. Much more than they are hurting the regime. But, the poor state of economy in Iran is not to be blamed on foreign sanctions. It is the result of the regime’s incompetence. That incompetence is quite obvious to a good portion of the population.
The most likely scenario in the case of an attack will be that the mullahs or top regime officials will escape from Iran. They’ve had the opportunity for yrs now to have an exit plan and they do have one.
Of course, I anticipate attacks on American and Israeli interests, etc... from OUTSIDE Iran & not by “conventional” means.
The mullahs’ regime does & will always have support from a portion of the population (e.g. bassijis), but not enough to win a war, and frankly those who support & fight for the mullahs should be eliminated anyway. I believe they will be if not directly by an Israeli attack, then by other Iranians. There are a lot of old scores to be settled with mullahs & their lackeys.
Iranians did have a choice and played a role in bringing Khomeini to power, no doubt whatsoever. At least those who directly or indirectly, through ignorance, idealism or whatever, played an active part. The older generation must accept full responsibility for their actions.
However, had Carter administration and certain other foreign govts at the time, including the British & French, not supported Khomeini & his “ISLAMIC revolution”, it would have been, most definitely, stillborn.
Now compare that to the support that the same mentioned govts & 0bama Didn’t give to those Iranians who protested in 2009.
At any rate, the events leading to 1979 in Iran were well planned & orchestrated by many different grps inside & outside Iran. We have not seen anything similar so far, and most likely won’t in the near future.
>>>”The Iranian wussies couldnt beat the Iraqis in a 10-year war.”<<<
There seems to be a distinct misconception about the 8 yr Iran-Iraq war (not 10 yrs), which I often read on FR.
1. Iraq (Saddam) attack Iran, not the reverse, several months after Khomeini seized power in Iran.
2. Saddam hated Khomeini, on ideological grounds, ever since the yrs that Khomeini spent in exile in Iraq, before Saddam became president of Iraq.
3. Saddam offered a truce to Khomeini after 2 yrs of war, because of high casualties on both sides, but also because Saddam was not winning.
But Khomeini refused point blank, deliberately extended the war by another 4 yrs, and used the war with Iraq to consolidate his revolution in Iran.
4. The number of Western & Arab govts, including the US, which morally, financially and militarily (by selling weapons) supported Iraq clearly outnumbered the ones which actually helped the Khomeinist regime (Iran).
Actually, a few tried to cash in on the conflict & sold weapons both to Iran & Iraq. For example, where do we think Saddam got his biological & chemical weapons from, which he used against the Iranians & the Kurds? Answer: France!
5. When did Israel bomb Osirak nuclear plant in Iraq? Answer: in 1981, following the first semi-successful attempt by the Islamic Republic (Iranian) Air Force under mullahs’ command. Israel then finished the job, and whether intended or not helped the mullahs’ regime.
6. The official results of the Iran-Iraq war at the end of 8 yrs was a draw (stalemate).
However, the Iranians in a sense did win. Since Saddam’s forces actually were pushed back, and withdrew from all Iranian territories, which they were occupying close to the border of Iraq.
In conclusion, given the number of Competent, well-trained Iranian military personnel and officers that Khomeini executed immediately upon his arrival in Iran, as well as all the other above mentioned points, I think the Iranians still did a pretty good job against Saddam.
‘Course the other outcome so far is that Saddam is dead, and the mullahs’ regime is still very much alive & kicking & meddling in post-Saddam Iraq.
by another 4 yrs = 6 yrs..
True, but the present-day capabilities of the Iranian military leave a lot to be desired.
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