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Iranians Fear a War with Israel
Arutz Sheva ^ | 4/9/12 | Elad Benari

Posted on 09/04/2012 12:39:46 AM PDT by Eleutheria5

Iran’s leadership has publicly stated that it would crush any Israeli offensive against its nuclear facilities, but Iran’s ordinary citizens appear to feel otherwise, Channel 10 News reported on Monday.

The channel spoke with several Iranian citizens who, without revealing their identities, said that there is great tension and fear among Iranians over a possible war with Israel.

“The Iranians understand their current president says terrible things about Israel,” said one Iranian, a resident of Bushehr. “You can be sure that not all Iranians agree with the behavior of their leaders.”

The Iranian, who was identified as H., admitted that, contrary to the declarations of Iran’s leaders, the West's harsh sanctions against the Islamic Republic have severely hurt innocent civilians. “There are a lot of poor people who need help, they work day and night to survive. Please, do not attack us,” he said.

Although the Bushehr reactor is considered to be less alarming to the West, H. claimed that local residents were very worried about their fate should Israel attack Iran. “If war breaks out, Bushehr will be perhaps the most dangerous place in the Middle East,” he said.

Another citizen from northern Iran told Channel 10, “This is not a conflict or dispute between Israel and Iran, but only between the countries’ two governments.”

Some citizens also claimed that the Iranian nuclear program is not necessarily intended to harm Israel. "We are surrounded by Arabs who hate us," said A., a resident of Tehran. "....

(Excerpt) Read more at israelnationalnews.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events; War on Terror
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“The Iranians understand their current president says terrible things about Israel,” said one Iranian, a resident of Bushehr. “You can be sure that not all Iranians agree with the behavior of their leaders.”

The Iranian, who was identified as H., admitted that, contrary to the declarations of Iran’s leaders, the West's harsh sanctions against the Islamic Republic have severely hurt innocent civilians. “There are a lot of poor people who need help, they work day and night to survive. Please, do not attack us,” he said."

Nobody told me to say this. Honest.

1 posted on 09/04/2012 12:39:50 AM PDT by Eleutheria5
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To: Eleutheria5

IF they fear a war with Israel, they need to take it up with their own government. The hell with peaceful demonstrations. Take the damn government out the same way they put it in.


2 posted on 09/04/2012 12:52:58 AM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills and bo stinks)
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To: Eleutheria5
Sorry to use the phrase but “hogwash”...don't believe anything coming out of Iran or the Arab world. They are all lies piled on more lies - that's how they survive: kill, rape, plunder, conflict and lie - and this is Islam at its very best!
3 posted on 09/04/2012 12:54:07 AM PDT by Netz (Netz)
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To: Eleutheria5; odds
and that's pretty true what this man said. Ordinary Iranians are smarting under the regime. Most do not think it makes sense to bother about some Arab-Israeli conflict which has nothing to do with them (the Iranis). They have problems closer to home to worry about.

They are correct that their threat closer to home are the Arabs, not Israel. In an ideal world, the Iranis and Israelis would be allies.

Attacking Iran may be necessary to stop the Irani govt getting the bbombb, but it will strengthen the hands of the regime (showing this as "foreigners attacking us") which are weakened due to the trade sanctions

Don't get me wrong-- I think Israel would NEED to attack if the weapon is not stopped, but this would lead to a lengthening of the days of the Ayatollah's regime.

4 posted on 09/04/2012 12:54:46 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: MestaMachine
Take the damn government out the same way they put it in.

The present government in Iran was put in place by Jimmy Carter not the Iranians.

Jimmy Carter’s government bullied the Shah of Iran in to not putting down the Islamist rebels and in to permitting the ayatollah to return from exile in France.

The present government has no foreign power that they respect that could pressure them to be merciful to rebels seeking to remove them from power. Obama has already shown that he will not assist Iranians seeking regime change.

Any Iranian students trying to show the Iranian government that they are dissatisfied know that they are putting their life on the line. So don’t be so quick to say that these people should topple their government unless you are willing to help them.

5 posted on 09/04/2012 1:08:03 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: Cronos
..no choice. Iran threatens to “wipe Israel off the face of the map”. The lessons of WWII are to stop this sort of behavior BEFORE the Genie is out of the bottle. The world is in a August 1939 denial mode about Iran.
Iran will not stop its drive for the bomb - no matter what. Military planners in Israel and the West know this. So where does that leave us? It is 1 minute before midnight. It may be that the current Iranian regime may stay in power longer but in the end, it must fall and fall hard taking Hizbollah and the rest of the Jihadis with them...
6 posted on 09/04/2012 1:08:29 AM PDT by Netz (Netz)
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To: Eleutheria5

It’s unfortunate, but the innocent must be toasted with the guilty.

War is hell.

Israel cannot sit idly by and wait for the nukes from Iran.


7 posted on 09/04/2012 1:24:28 AM PDT by Bon mots (When seconds count, the police are just minutes away...)
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To: Eleutheria5
IDF nukes could vaporize half the population of Iran and Satan's Mullahs wouldn’t care—as long as the Jews die too...

...besides, you can bet the Mullahs will be partying anyway in their fallout shelters stocked with plenty of booze and booty.

8 posted on 09/04/2012 1:33:24 AM PDT by Happy Rain ("Who needs Michelle? The MSM keep Obama satisfied.")
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To: Netz
So where does that leave us?

With no choice to attack, I agree, however, as you said in the end, it must fall and fall hard taking Hizbollah and the rest of the Jihadis with them... -- it MUST, but how do we do that? The only way is for a reverse "arab spring"

9 posted on 09/04/2012 1:34:06 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Bon mots
Imo enablers are never innocent.
10 posted on 09/04/2012 1:43:15 AM PDT by MaxMax
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To: Bon mots

Mohammadanism is hell. The sooner people are liberated from it, the better off all of humanity will be.


11 posted on 09/04/2012 1:52:55 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (If you like lying Socialist dirtbags, you'll love Slick Willard)
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To: Eleutheria5

Israel has some 800+ nuclear weapons, including many thermonuclear, which are submarine, land-based and air-capable. Iran has somewhere between 2-10 fission weapons. That would be like a fist-fight between a healthy Incredible Hulk and Pee-Wee Herman with the flu. The Iranians have every reason to fear destruction if they don’t overthrow their masters in the next few weeks.


12 posted on 09/04/2012 1:56:53 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: Pontiac

You make it sound as if Iran had no choice in its fate. Students are not the only ‘people’ in Iran. And as far as what I have or have not done to ‘help’ them, do not assume what you don’t know.


13 posted on 09/04/2012 2:00:27 AM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills and bo stinks)
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To: Eleutheria5

If I was a civilian in Iran I would fear Israel too. The Iranian wussies couldn’t beat the Iraqis in a 10-year war. Using the human wave machine against Iraqi machine guns.


14 posted on 09/04/2012 2:16:50 AM PDT by bjorn14 (Woe to those who call good evil and evil good. Isaiah 5:20)
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To: MestaMachine
You make it sound as if Iran had no choice in its fate. Students are not the only ‘people’ in Iran.

The idealism that breeds revolution is most often found in the brashness of youth as is the violence necessary to carry out that revolution.

Older wiser heads either lead the revolution or try to stay well away from it.

The radicals that occupied the US embassy in Tehran were young students. It was primarily students that marched in 2009.

I am of course speaking in generalities but if you are going to start a revolution you are going do it with idealist young people not old fogies.

If you are going to subvert a revolution (as most often happens) it is going to be with violence which again is most often done by young idealist. People who believe in peaceful democracy don’t stand much of a chance against violent young idealist. Particularly if they are out gunned.

If you are in some way supporting those in Iran who seek freedom I am sorry to have offended you. I tire of hearing from those who sleep in safety every night criticizing those who live helplessly in fear for their lives daily for not standing up to tyrants.

15 posted on 09/04/2012 2:19:48 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: Pontiac

“I tire of hearing from those who sleep in safety every night criticizing those who live helplessly in fear for their lives daily for not standing up to tyrants.”

As do I.


16 posted on 09/04/2012 2:25:43 AM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills and bo stinks)
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To: MestaMachine

The Iranians tried to fight their gov’t in 2009 (IIRC).

Their gov’t killed them in the streets.


17 posted on 09/04/2012 2:55:56 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: Cronos
The ONLY language these dogs...oops, I mean they are lower than dogs understand in FORCE and the consistent application of it until they are on their knees. They are like the Japanese in WWII. You have to threaten them and then follow through as you stated, anything less is viewed as weakness in the Middle East. Obama, like Carter is seen as fool and a pansy. The Arabs and Persians hate weakness and mumbo-jumbo and that is what the West is showing right now - no backbone hence they do not fear anybody (maybe the Israelis a bit) and continue to spin those centerfuges. By the way, they see the Europeans as pure Milquetoast, no backbone and no jelly body, just a mass of pathetic slime. At least the Americans lash out when required. The Europeans wet themselves...OK, except for the Brits!
18 posted on 09/04/2012 2:56:54 AM PDT by Netz (Netz)
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To: F15Eagle

The Iranians tried peaceful protests hoping the world would somehow come to their aid. They were wrong. The world did not care.


19 posted on 09/04/2012 3:12:52 AM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills and bo stinks)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Nobody really knows how many, if any, nukes Israel has. One thing is, however, certain. 2-10 fission weapons, directly hitting Israel, would be the end of us. We’re the Pee-Wee Herman, no matter how many nukes we do or don’t have. They have land mass. We’re a dinky triangle of a country with a knack for somehow being the center of the world’s attention, whether we want it or not.


20 posted on 09/04/2012 3:17:03 AM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: Netz
Arabs and Persians are not the same. Temperamentally quite different, even if both are islamic.

By the way, they see the Europeans as pure Milquetoast, no backbone and no jelly body, just a mass of pathetic slime. At least the Americans lash out when required. The Europeans wet themselves...OK, except for the Brits! -- depends on whom -- for Iraqis and Iranis they fear the Russians more than Americans. the Russians have been pushing on them since the 1600s.

And the Arabs laugh at both Europeans and Russians

21 posted on 09/04/2012 3:19:01 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

the only way is to nuke Macca and Madinah


22 posted on 09/04/2012 3:19:48 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: MestaMachine; Pontiac; odds
To some extent no, they did not. The 1979 revolution that overthrew the Shah was a mix of Islamists, secularists etc. But then, just like in the October revolution of 1917, the extremists (in 1917 bolshies, in 1979, Islamic hardliners) took over and killed off everyone else

The students try to rise, but the weapons etc. are with the Ayatollahs.

it's not easy to win against an entrenched regime in your own country, when they have all the weapons etc.

Many just resign themselves to their fate and do nothing, unless there is a push the other way (like in Libya where everyone was a Gaddafi loyalist until suddenly the tide turned the other way and everyone switched).

23 posted on 09/04/2012 3:23:38 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: bjorn14

I wouldn’t call them wussies for charging machine guns in waves. Stupid, yes, foolhardy, yes, but wussies, no


24 posted on 09/04/2012 3:28:34 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Eleutheria5
We’re a dinky triangle of a country with a knack for somehow being the center of the world’s attention, whether we want it or not.

you will be, as long as you "occupy Islamic lands" -- the moslems consider your land to be theirs. They will never leave Israel in peace, unfortunately.

25 posted on 09/04/2012 3:30:07 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Eleutheria5

The 10 year war between Iran and Iraq ended in a stalemate. But Israel is a different animal, and the Iranian leadership should be greatly concerned. The Israelis don’t take prisoners.


26 posted on 09/04/2012 3:33:32 AM PDT by chainsaw ("Two ways to conquer and enslave a nation. One is by the sword. The other is by debt.")
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To: Cronos
"the only way is to nuke Macca (sic) and Madinah (sic)"

Take me down the road on this one. What is the end result?

27 posted on 09/04/2012 3:48:18 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (Obamanomics-We don't need your stinking tar sands oil, we'll just grow algae.)
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To: Former Proud Canadian
ok, here's my way of thinking:
28 posted on 09/04/2012 4:27:47 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Eleutheria5
“This is not a conflict or dispute between Israel and Iran, but only between the countries’ two governments.”

Sort of like the Holocaust was not aimed at Jews, just the Jewish leadership. It wasn't the Germans who murdered six million Jews, it was that tiny minority in the government, and that tiny fraction of Germans who manned the camps, and the armed forces, and the munition factors, and the railroads and the farms and police and schools and media, and who took possession of shops and factories and artwork and homes stolen from Jews. Other than that tiny minority, Germans were blameless.

29 posted on 09/04/2012 4:52:39 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (The Democratic Party strongly supports full civil rights for necro-Americans!)
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To: Cronos

Losing a war has caused more regimes to be ousted than any other cause. Ask the Generals in Argentina after they occupied the Falklands.


30 posted on 09/04/2012 4:59:55 AM PDT by Jabba the Nutt (.Are they stupid, malicious or evil?)
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To: Cronos

Nuke Makkah & Madinah and IMO a majority of the world’s Muslims will be left in a daze.

“Why couldn’t Allah protect his holy cities!!?”

The Islamic nations will suddenly ask themselves if their capitals might be next. There will be wild outbursts but no monolithic attack upon the Kuffar. Nothing to face toward & pray to but a glowing crater. Every Muslim in America or UK will be watching his back as the hated “infidels” watch his every move.

“Thinking of payback, Achmed?”

Of course, who’s going to drop the nuke? There’s the rub.


31 posted on 09/04/2012 5:07:36 AM PDT by elcid1970 (Nuke Mecca now. Death to Islam means freedom for all mankind. Deus vult!)
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To: chainsaw

Yes we do, and then release them by the hundreds to free just one.


32 posted on 09/04/2012 5:16:12 AM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: Cronos

Did I ever say they would?


33 posted on 09/04/2012 5:18:44 AM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

The civil war was just between politicians. WW I was just between some monarchs./sarc


34 posted on 09/04/2012 5:20:57 AM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: Cronos
Ok, just wanted your thinking. No wrong answer. There are several schools of thought on this and yours is a new one to me, just as valid as the rest.

Another one that I have heard is that the tomb is the center of islam. Without it, islam perishes.

35 posted on 09/04/2012 5:29:24 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (Obamanomics-We don't need your stinking tar sands oil, we'll just grow algae.)
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To: Jabba the Nutt

good point. hmmm... perhaps you are correct. If Israel can clearly get the message that it is only against the current regime, it could eliminate the nukes and potentially get an ally in a post-Ayatollah Iran


36 posted on 09/04/2012 6:23:02 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Former Proud Canadian

what tomb?


37 posted on 09/04/2012 6:37:20 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Cronos

muhammad’s tomb in Medina.


38 posted on 09/04/2012 7:20:49 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (Obamanomics-We don't need your stinking tar sands oil, we'll just grow algae.)
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To: Cronos

muhammad’s tomb in Medina.


39 posted on 09/04/2012 7:21:36 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (Obamanomics-We don't need your stinking tar sands oil, we'll just grow algae.)
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40 posted on 09/04/2012 7:33:55 AM PDT by SJackson (I used to eat a lot of natural foods until I learned that most people people die of natural causes)
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To: Former Proud Canadian

>>>>muhammad’s tomb in Medina.

Pith be upon it.


41 posted on 09/04/2012 7:40:41 AM PDT by halfright (FAST & FURIOUS! DON'T ALLOW THEM TO DIVERT YOUR ATTENTION.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Israel has some 800+ nuclear weapons, including many thermonuclear, which are submarine, land-based and air-capable. Iran has somewhere between 2-10 fission weapons.

Iran is a geographically big country. Israel is small. Two fission weapons (particularly if they put cobalt casings on them), delivered to Haifa and Jerusalem, would create enough fallout to make Israel nonviable over the long term.

42 posted on 09/04/2012 7:45:17 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Charlie Daniels - Payback Time http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWwTJj_nosI)
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To: Cronos
I also like to be contrary. When everyone is saying the same thing, they're probably missing something. And in Iran, you have a majority of the population depising the government for its corruption and destroying the economy. Now, add getting into an unnecessary war, which shows up the incompetence of the regime, it's not going to be pretty.

And does anyone doubt the incompetence of the Iranian military? Plus, what's going to happen when they lob a missle at the naval base in Bahrain or outside of Kandahar or at an aircraft carrier? Big Ears Obama has told Iran, the US is not going to back the Israeli attack, so don't hit us. Iran has answered by bitch-slapping Larry Sinclair's love buddy.

Do you think Americans are going to rally around Obama? I don't. I think they'll rally around the military, but not the Muslim appeaser Obama.

But that's just MHO.

43 posted on 09/04/2012 11:05:22 AM PDT by Jabba the Nutt (.Are they stupid, malicious or evil?)
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To: Jabba the Nutt
And does anyone doubt the incompetence of the Iranian military?

hardly -- it could be taken on by the Pakis.

44 posted on 09/05/2012 1:16:17 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Former Proud Canadian

That’s not correct. The Saudis when they came to power (with the help of the British) destroyed the tombs of the prophet’s successors. The tomb itself is not allowed to be a site of veneration by the Wahabbi authorities (as it would be to Sufis).


45 posted on 09/05/2012 1:25:39 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Cronos; Eleutheria5

>>>”Attacking Iran may be necessary to stop the Irani govt getting the bbombb, but it will strengthen the hands of the regime (showing this as “foreigners attacking us”) which are weakened due to the trade sanctions”<<<

I disagree. Back in the early yrs of revolution i.e. 1980s, while Khomeini was alive, he used the war with Iraq, which Khomeini deliberately prolonged after 2 yrs by refusing Saddam’s offer of truce, just to consolidate his revolution, your reasoning applied, but no longer and not now.

Besides, Khomeini was much more of a charismatic leader, or perceived as such, than Khamenei (present supreme leader) is or will ever be.

The socalled “Islamic (Khomeinist) Revolution” is mostly dead in Iran with the new generations. They will not fight for the mullahs.

Of course, a good majority fear for their lives, who wouldn’t in that situation?! Particularly if you know that all this “we’ll kill Israel, etc..” is a whole lot of hot air, and that it is bound to get a 1000 times uglier than the war with Iraq!

As for Sanctions hurting the civilians, they are. Much more than they are hurting the regime. But, the poor state of economy in Iran is not to be blamed on foreign sanctions. It is the result of the regime’s incompetence. That incompetence is quite obvious to a good portion of the population.

The most likely scenario in the case of an attack will be that the mullahs or top regime officials will escape from Iran. They’ve had the opportunity for yrs now to have an exit plan and they do have one.

Of course, I anticipate attacks on American and Israeli interests, etc... from OUTSIDE Iran & not by “conventional” means.

The mullahs’ regime does & will always have support from a portion of the population (e.g. bassijis), but not enough to win a war, and frankly those who support & fight for the mullahs should be eliminated anyway. I believe they will be if not directly by an Israeli attack, then by other Iranians. There are a lot of old scores to be settled with mullahs & their lackeys.


46 posted on 09/05/2012 4:23:09 PM PDT by odds
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To: Pontiac; MestaMachine; Cronos; F15Eagle; Eleutheria5

Iranians did have a choice and played a role in bringing Khomeini to power, no doubt whatsoever. At least those who directly or indirectly, through ignorance, idealism or whatever, played an active part. The older generation must accept full responsibility for their actions.

However, had Carter administration and certain other foreign govts at the time, including the British & French, not supported Khomeini & his “ISLAMIC revolution”, it would have been, most definitely, stillborn.

Now compare that to the support that the same mentioned govts & 0bama Didn’t give to those Iranians who protested in 2009.

At any rate, the events leading to 1979 in Iran were well planned & orchestrated by many different grps inside & outside Iran. We have not seen anything similar so far, and most likely won’t in the near future.


47 posted on 09/05/2012 4:49:08 PM PDT by odds
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To: bjorn14; Cronos; Eleutheria5

>>>”The Iranian wussies couldn’t beat the Iraqis in a 10-year war.”<<<

There seems to be a distinct misconception about the 8 yr Iran-Iraq war (not 10 yrs), which I often read on FR.

Facts are:

1. Iraq (Saddam) attack Iran, not the reverse, several months after Khomeini seized power in Iran.

2. Saddam hated Khomeini, on ideological grounds, ever since the yrs that Khomeini spent in exile in Iraq, before Saddam became president of Iraq.

3. Saddam offered a truce to Khomeini after 2 yrs of war, because of high casualties on both sides, but also because Saddam was not winning.

But Khomeini refused point blank, deliberately extended the war by another 4 yrs, and used the war with Iraq to consolidate his revolution in Iran.

4. The number of Western & Arab govts, including the US, which morally, financially and militarily (by selling weapons) supported Iraq clearly outnumbered the ones which actually helped the Khomeinist regime (Iran).

Actually, a few tried to cash in on the conflict & sold weapons both to Iran & Iraq. For example, where do we think Saddam got his biological & chemical weapons from, which he used against the Iranians & the Kurds? Answer: France!

5. When did Israel bomb Osirak nuclear plant in Iraq? Answer: in 1981, following the first semi-successful attempt by the Islamic Republic (Iranian) Air Force under mullahs’ command. Israel then finished the job, and whether intended or not helped the mullahs’ regime.

6. The official results of the Iran-Iraq war at the end of 8 yrs was a draw (stalemate).

However, the Iranians in a sense did win. Since Saddam’s forces actually were pushed back, and withdrew from all Iranian territories, which they were occupying close to the border of Iraq.

In conclusion, given the number of Competent, well-trained Iranian military personnel and officers that Khomeini executed immediately upon his arrival in Iran, as well as all the other above mentioned points, I think the Iranians still did a pretty good job against Saddam.

‘Course the other outcome so far is that Saddam is dead, and the mullahs’ regime is still very much alive & kicking & meddling in post-Saddam Iraq.


48 posted on 09/06/2012 1:25:45 AM PDT by odds
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typo:
by another 4 yrs = 6 yrs..


49 posted on 09/06/2012 2:10:47 AM PDT by odds
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To: odds

True, but the present-day capabilities of the Iranian military leave a lot to be desired.


50 posted on 09/06/2012 4:05:07 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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