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To: Eleutheria5

If I was a civilian in Iran I would fear Israel too. The Iranian wussies couldn’t beat the Iraqis in a 10-year war. Using the human wave machine against Iraqi machine guns.


14 posted on 09/04/2012 2:16:50 AM PDT by bjorn14 (Woe to those who call good evil and evil good. Isaiah 5:20)
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To: bjorn14

I wouldn’t call them wussies for charging machine guns in waves. Stupid, yes, foolhardy, yes, but wussies, no


24 posted on 09/04/2012 3:28:34 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: bjorn14; Cronos; Eleutheria5

>>>”The Iranian wussies couldn’t beat the Iraqis in a 10-year war.”<<<

There seems to be a distinct misconception about the 8 yr Iran-Iraq war (not 10 yrs), which I often read on FR.

Facts are:

1. Iraq (Saddam) attack Iran, not the reverse, several months after Khomeini seized power in Iran.

2. Saddam hated Khomeini, on ideological grounds, ever since the yrs that Khomeini spent in exile in Iraq, before Saddam became president of Iraq.

3. Saddam offered a truce to Khomeini after 2 yrs of war, because of high casualties on both sides, but also because Saddam was not winning.

But Khomeini refused point blank, deliberately extended the war by another 4 yrs, and used the war with Iraq to consolidate his revolution in Iran.

4. The number of Western & Arab govts, including the US, which morally, financially and militarily (by selling weapons) supported Iraq clearly outnumbered the ones which actually helped the Khomeinist regime (Iran).

Actually, a few tried to cash in on the conflict & sold weapons both to Iran & Iraq. For example, where do we think Saddam got his biological & chemical weapons from, which he used against the Iranians & the Kurds? Answer: France!

5. When did Israel bomb Osirak nuclear plant in Iraq? Answer: in 1981, following the first semi-successful attempt by the Islamic Republic (Iranian) Air Force under mullahs’ command. Israel then finished the job, and whether intended or not helped the mullahs’ regime.

6. The official results of the Iran-Iraq war at the end of 8 yrs was a draw (stalemate).

However, the Iranians in a sense did win. Since Saddam’s forces actually were pushed back, and withdrew from all Iranian territories, which they were occupying close to the border of Iraq.

In conclusion, given the number of Competent, well-trained Iranian military personnel and officers that Khomeini executed immediately upon his arrival in Iran, as well as all the other above mentioned points, I think the Iranians still did a pretty good job against Saddam.

‘Course the other outcome so far is that Saddam is dead, and the mullahs’ regime is still very much alive & kicking & meddling in post-Saddam Iraq.


48 posted on 09/06/2012 1:25:45 AM PDT by odds
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