Skip to comments.When The Music Stops – How America’s Cities May Explode In Violence
Posted on 09/04/2012 5:37:03 AM PDT by Travis McGee
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There were also many, many men who drove RVs and large trucks into the disaster area and started cooking up barbeque for the people in the damaged area from Katrina.
Many of them had to chainsaw their way in.
Yup. When one area is damaged, people from the undamaged areas are quick to help.
When, however, MANY (or even MOST) areas are damaged......
Thieves also rushed in to help relieve the affected from the burden of their possessions.
Some even come bearing food and water as disguise.
One lady I know had their boat stolen before the wind had even died down after the hurricanes here in FL.
When I worked in the food distribution industry Hugo hit. Before Hugo made land we had 600 very full trucks sitting behind the Smoky Mountains waiting for the hurricane to hit and go on its way.
When the winds died down, the trucks went in and fed the people.
If enough of the right entities...like the Black Panthers...threaten this, it may be just the thing Obama needs to suspend elections in November. Probably not...but I put nothing past this current administration.
This "deluxe" latex Communist Community Organizer mask is $27.50. I'm okay with the feds using the facial recognition software - that will lead to an arrest of the thug responsible for any urban riots.
Without an election, the office of the president is legally vacant after 11:59 a.m. on January 20th. If Obama tries to hang on to power past then, he’ll need a lot of luck.
Where will they get the food? The weeds growing in the cracks of cement?
Sporterized Enfield. Nice!
We shall see, won’t we? If 90% of cell phones in a confict area are shut down, it takes away the phone service to the 99% of the population that is not rioting, causing more hardship. But 10%, who have phones on different exchanges, will still have service. That will be enough for the flash mobs.
AKA the Zombie apocalypse.
But 10%, who have phones on different exchanges, will still have service. That will be enough for the flash mobs.
Could you command a force if you could only communicate with 10% of it?
Fantasy time on Free Republic.
In the back of a pickup, pickin’ off the “yutes”??? Yeah.
They can "keep the EBT cards working," but they can't make the electronic digits worth anything if the currency has collapsed. You are mistaking flashing digits for value. Flashing digits do not always have value. An EBT card that "works" but conveys only digits that have no value, is no better than an EBT card honestly flashing zeroes.
I find that to be unlikely. The Commodity Credit Corporation under the USDA, Americold Corporation, the surplus retained for emergency foreign food aid, etc., all still point to vast ongoing storage.
Importantly, it may not currently be directly *assigned* to price stabilization surplus, but it can all be shuffled around for whatever purposes are needed. A collapse of the EBT system would be one such purpose.
Jack Black maintains the CW2 list.
I think its important to remember things dont happen in real life like they do in the movies.
NO they’re worse.Much worse.
That's for sure. But at 5,600 words, I had to stop the scenario escalations somewhere. I sort of covered that with the infrastructure channels being at risk, but you are right. And sometimes, gangs put the lights out on purpose, by cutting lines to adjoining areas, to make them easier to rob and loot. That can begin a deadly cascade of events all on its own.
If the 10% were distributed among groups and could verbally relay info to the rest of the group, yes. The drug gangs also use walkie-talkies.
I can’t help but wonder how long the “urban gang” model would hold up. The lack of resource situation would escalate quickly, and gang members would be competing between themselves for food, etc.
Cities would soon become little more than ghost towns
In the Carboniferous Epoch we were promised abundance for all,
By robbing selected Peter to pay for collective Paul;
But, though we had plenty of money, there was nothing our money could buy,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: “If you don’t work you die.”
1. The SNAP programs are run by the states, with monies sent by the FedGov. If the states sense that FedGov is close to a situation where it is not going to re-imburse them, they will have various reactions. Some, like New York and California, will just keep pumping out SNAP cards, spending money like there is no tomorrow. But a state like Texas or Oklahoma might say NO to fronting the money for SNAP cards. So, at least early on, we might not see LA or NY explode. We might see Houston, Oklahoma City, or other smaller urban enclaves with high minority populations go first.
2. It might not even take a federal bankruptcy to trigger an EBT system failure. There are people who want the EBT system to fail. Consider the fact that the race-baiters believe that more suffering among "their" people might actually achieve their ends. Also, there are elements nominally on the side of FreeFor that might want to give the chaos an artificial push, to stop the federal entitlement monster.
A clever database hack in the state-level (but privately-owned) systems that process EBT cards could temporarily disable transactions on those cards. Such a crude hack would be found and fixed in a matter of days or a week, but if multiple states had their systems attacked at once, the MUY might begin to think the jig is up, and the rioting would start.
Such an artificial "push" might actually cause a WORSE result than an organic financial failure of the EBT system. The race baiters, whether they caused the failure or not, would be screaming at the top of their lungs for vengeance on their racial opposites.
3. Since there are so many people using EBTs, there has begun to exist a pattern that might be exploited by the forces of #2 above: On the night before EBT accounts are filled in that particular state, welfare dependents shop in large chain stores, and then wait for midnight for their "Obama Money" to appear.
These stores have an Achilles heel: their satellite network connection, which is used, among other things, for EBT card verification.
At several large stores in a strategically-chosen city, the operator need only disable the microwave dish on the roof a few seconds or minutes before midnight. This could be done with a standoff weapon like a rifle, or it could be done with a pair of wire cutters on the LNB cable at the dish, if roof access could be had. A very small remotely-detonated explosive squib could cut the cable, too. It could even be done with a private UAV.
The result will be the MUY immediately suspecting "whitey" or the GOP or whomever has denied them "their" benefit. The result will be immediate looting and rioting of the people lined up in the stores, and later, in the streets. It would be hours or days before the stores' uplinks were restored.
Again, the result might even be worse than an organic federal financial failure.
I do not say these things to encourage them, but if we do not face the situation and plan for it, it will overtake us.
That is also including the insertion of at least 6 stripper clips or 3 mag changes.
The .303 SMLE is also a healthy kicker. 38 rounds within 60 seconds is abusive.
Five minutes after they find out they've been duped, they'll be back on your property with a vengence. May want to just give them the real thing but have other caches they don't know about.
Fixed that for ya.
Review the case of the DC snipers.
(If I focused on the few areas I thought were in some error, don't let that overshadow the overall A+ nature of the effort. It's like after one of your successful missions: You go over your afteraction and see where you could improve, but it's implied that the mission is a success)
Now the subject of the "Food Justice" movement.
Methinks you two are arguing about different scenarios.
Katrina was a localized event of short duration and substantial advanced notice. The whole country contributed to rescuing it. The entitled could, on the whole, sit there for a few days and wait for others to meet their needs; uncomfortable, yes, but not long for the system to restart.
The point of this thread is a national event of indefinite duration and little advanced notice. The entitled would not be helped as the would-be helpers would be suffering themselves.
One city, a few days’ warning, a few days’ crisis, yes warehouses can be raided to compensate.
All cities, a few hours’ warning, ongoing crisis, all warehouses will be emptied in short order and no one available for distribution and no viable infrastructure to distribute on.
>> Much of the fiber laid in the 1990s lays dormant.
Are you sure? Because I know people who are laying fiber again, or rather, my wife does (clients).
It's wonderful to be right so often!
A grain reserve would be invaluable during droughts
“This raises the question whether a strategic grain reserve needs to be established, much like the strategic petroleum reserve, for use in times of major supply disruptions. The United States maintained such reserve stocks of grains in the past. Over time, these grain reserve programs were discontinued largely because of cost and improved market efficiency. If future supply disruptions attributable to drought become more frequent, they may affect not only
livestock production but human food consumption as well. Some type of a grain reserve may make sense in this changing environment.”
USDA: No strategic grain reserves they sold them!
Tons more links if you care to look.
“Could you command a force if you could only communicate with 10% of it?”
Yes. 1 tells 10. This situation isn’t the same as a military force; this is one rather nervous and actionable person getting with others.
Are you a Pournelle reader? He has been quoting from that for years.
Surplus U.S. food supplies dry up
Yep. Positive. Ask her about the Colorado lines. I know what I see and hear but perhaps she has a better view of it all.
You know, re: snap cards, it’s not even real money anymore. It’s just virtual numbers in a bank account somewhere.
If the various com links die, either because they are cut intentionally or for whatever reason, SNAP dies. No matter how good the states budget is, no matter if the state is sitting on a pile of cash a mile high.
Of course the ATM network is probably dead then also.
That’s when things get serious.
I agree that the rioters/looters will not be freedom fighters & no one is saying that they will be. What is being said is that certain members of the MSM & political class will try mightily to proclaim them as such.
This is a very strong worst case scenario based on historical experiences from around the world of conflicts based on race/faith/ethnic/political conflicts combined with the fact that entirely to many of our fellow citizens have no clue how to even plant a garden let alone how to do home canning, or how to get by for as little as a week without electricity.
One psychopath and a boy. One shot and run.
I am really enjoying your posts. It’s kinda like listening to my 11 year old grandson talk about life. I live in a city and not being wealthy and a high rise resident, I understand stand the murderous hatred that a self identified tribe has for what it perceives to be my tribe. The happiest day of my life will be when I put the towers of this cesspool in my rear view mirror.
Don’t be to sure about that ,the state of California has been sending out IOU’s to taxpayers instead of checks for tax refunds for years. Grocery stores refuse to cash them & banks & credit unions / savings & loans also were refusing to cash them or accept them for deposit.
The State of California is in even worse shape with regard to its finances than ever before.
The trouble with looking at a single facet of American Agribusiness is that it will invariably look bizarre, and this is the case here.
W. Bush is somewhat to blame for the idea of centralizing food production and distribution. He was very big into the idea of a North American Union, the Plan Pueblo Panama, FTAA, the trans-Texas corridor, and other such nonsensical pipe dream indulgences.
However, that being said, all the second link did was to assert that one part of the system had been bled dry. And this is accurate. But that does not mean that the same has happened to its parallel systems.
(And truthfully, he killed his credibility at the end by saying, “As for bio-terrorism considering we have more than 700 bio-weapons labs cris-crossing the country, its pretty safe to say that should we have a bio weapon attack, it will probably originate from a city near you.”)
Bottom line: Right now, almost 40% of our corn crop goes to ethanol.
The USDA site also says that 4.1% of U.S. corn (2008) goes for high fructose corn syrup. That means that since 29.9% of all U.S. cropland harvested was planted in corn in 2007, 1.2% of all U.S. cropland harvested in 2007 went for high fructose corn syrup. Thats only slightly less than the 1.5% of U.S. cropland devoted to vegetables or the 1.6% of U.S. cropland devoted to [fruit] orchards.
All the US has to do is stop converting corn into ethanol, and in short order, we are up to our eyebrows in corn.
Could begin any day.
Beyond “Lucifer’s Hammer”, no.
The person I really should talk to is my college roommate who does big cellular backhaul stuff. Did a lot of microwave back in the day, has been doing big fiber for at least a decade and a half. OC192 and up stuff.