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When The Music Stops – How America’s Cities May Explode In Violence
Western Rifle Shooters Association ^ | September 4, 2012 | Matt Bracken

Posted on 09/04/2012 5:37:03 AM PDT by Travis McGee

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To: Chipper

There were also many, many men who drove RVs and large trucks into the disaster area and started cooking up barbeque for the people in the damaged area from Katrina.

Many of them had to chainsaw their way in.


151 posted on 09/04/2012 9:02:49 AM PDT by buffaloguy
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To: buffaloguy
There were also many, many men who drove RVs and large trucks into the disaster area and started cooking up barbeque for the people in the damaged area from Katrina.

Yup. When one area is damaged, people from the undamaged areas are quick to help.

When, however, MANY (or even MOST) areas are damaged......

152 posted on 09/04/2012 9:04:57 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Communist Party = Democrats. Socialist Party = Republicans. WE NEED A CAPITALIST FREEDOM PARTY!)
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To: buffaloguy

Thieves also rushed in to help relieve the affected from the burden of their possessions.

Some even come bearing food and water as disguise.

One lady I know had their boat stolen before the wind had even died down after the hurricanes here in FL.


153 posted on 09/04/2012 9:14:19 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Lazamataz

When I worked in the food distribution industry Hugo hit. Before Hugo made land we had 600 very full trucks sitting behind the Smoky Mountains waiting for the hurricane to hit and go on its way.

When the winds died down, the trucks went in and fed the people.

Very impressive.


154 posted on 09/04/2012 9:16:49 AM PDT by buffaloguy
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To: wildbill
I believe our biggest cities will erupt in race riots if Obama is defeated in Nov.

If enough of the right entities...like the Black Panthers...threaten this, it may be just the thing Obama needs to suspend elections in November. Probably not...but I put nothing past this current administration.

155 posted on 09/04/2012 9:23:29 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit; Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad.)
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To: PapaBear3625

This "deluxe" latex Communist Community Organizer mask is $27.50. I'm okay with the feds using the facial recognition software - that will lead to an arrest of the thug responsible for any urban riots.

156 posted on 09/04/2012 9:40:18 AM PDT by Pollster1 (Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Travis McGee; bluecat6; Myrddin; Rushmore Rocks; DAVEY CROCKETT; Oorang; Velveeta; Godzilla; ...

*

Ping.


157 posted on 09/04/2012 9:43:29 AM PDT by LucyT
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

Without an election, the office of the president is legally vacant after 11:59 a.m. on January 20th. If Obama tries to hang on to power past then, he’ll need a lot of luck.


158 posted on 09/04/2012 9:50:48 AM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: buffaloguy
They would be too busy trying to get food and water to riot. I just don’t think we have that level of threat from our welfare classes.

Where will they get the food? The weeds growing in the cracks of cement?

159 posted on 09/04/2012 9:55:48 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: WVKayaker

Sporterized Enfield. Nice!


160 posted on 09/04/2012 9:57:49 AM PDT by Stonewall Jackson ("I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy.")
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To: Lazamataz

We shall see, won’t we? If 90% of cell phones in a confict area are shut down, it takes away the phone service to the 99% of the population that is not rioting, causing more hardship. But 10%, who have phones on different exchanges, will still have service. That will be enough for the flash mobs.


161 posted on 09/04/2012 10:01:20 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee

BFL


162 posted on 09/04/2012 10:02:43 AM PDT by Skooz (Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us)
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To: Travis McGee

AKA the Zombie apocalypse.


163 posted on 09/04/2012 10:03:12 AM PDT by Doomonyou (Let them eat Lead.)
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To: Travis McGee
There are area-denial methods, too.

But 10%, who have phones on different exchanges, will still have service. That will be enough for the flash mobs.

Could you command a force if you could only communicate with 10% of it?

164 posted on 09/04/2012 10:05:30 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Communist Party = Democrats. Socialist Party = Republicans. WE NEED A CAPITALIST FREEDOM PARTY!)
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To: Travis McGee

Fantasy time on Free Republic.

In the back of a pickup, pickin’ off the “yutes”??? Yeah.


165 posted on 09/04/2012 10:08:24 AM PDT by procrustes
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To: Travis McGee
The flash-mob trainers (and yes, one or two have been identified as working a flash-mob in NM then in PA or CT, IIRC) are well aware of communications needs. Overlooked in the contemplation of these thuggery training programs is the ‘camaraderie’ created by participating in one of these slash and grab maneuvers. It is akin to gang mentality and very tough to dissolve, making them more loyal to each other than a mere mob of looters would be.
166 posted on 09/04/2012 10:09:20 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Obadiah
The government will always keep those EBT cards working as they know what's at stake.

They can "keep the EBT cards working," but they can't make the electronic digits worth anything if the currency has collapsed. You are mistaking flashing digits for value. Flashing digits do not always have value. An EBT card that "works" but conveys only digits that have no value, is no better than an EBT card honestly flashing zeroes.

167 posted on 09/04/2012 10:10:06 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Kartographer

I find that to be unlikely. The Commodity Credit Corporation under the USDA, Americold Corporation, the surplus retained for emergency foreign food aid, etc., all still point to vast ongoing storage.

Importantly, it may not currently be directly *assigned* to price stabilization surplus, but it can all be shuffled around for whatever purposes are needed. A collapse of the EBT system would be one such purpose.


168 posted on 09/04/2012 10:12:38 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: Chipper; Jack Black
For later reading. Matt if you have an official CW2 Ping list, I’d be interested in being added to it please. Loving book 2 so far.

Jack Black maintains the CW2 list.

169 posted on 09/04/2012 10:15:23 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: reasonisfaith

I think it’s important to remember things don’t happen in real life like they do in the movies.

NO they’re worse.Much worse.


170 posted on 09/04/2012 10:17:58 AM PDT by puppypusher (The World is going to the dogs.)
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To: DTogo
Many excellent take-aways that are very likely "misunderestimated" by the wannabe-overlords of Mordor. One critical event that could really hyper-escalate the chaos and carnage: regional loss of power, by the downing of a utility pole or something flung into the many exposed substations.

That's for sure. But at 5,600 words, I had to stop the scenario escalations somewhere. I sort of covered that with the infrastructure channels being at risk, but you are right. And sometimes, gangs put the lights out on purpose, by cutting lines to adjoining areas, to make them easier to rob and loot. That can begin a deadly cascade of events all on its own.

171 posted on 09/04/2012 10:19:17 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Lazamataz
Could you command a force if you could only communicate with 10% of it?

If the 10% were distributed among groups and could verbally relay info to the rest of the group, yes. The drug gangs also use walkie-talkies.

172 posted on 09/04/2012 10:23:19 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Charlie Daniels - Payback Time http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWwTJj_nosI)
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To: Travis McGee

I can’t help but wonder how long the “urban gang” model would hold up. The lack of resource situation would escalate quickly, and gang members would be competing between themselves for food, etc.

Cities would soon become little more than ghost towns


173 posted on 09/04/2012 10:26:05 AM PDT by djf (The barbarian hordes will ALWAYS outnumber the clean-shaven. And they vote.)
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To: Travis McGee; Obadiah

In the Carboniferous Epoch we were promised abundance for all,
By robbing selected Peter to pay for collective Paul;
But, though we had plenty of money, there was nothing our money could buy,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: “If you don’t work you die.”


174 posted on 09/04/2012 10:28:07 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Travis McGee; All
This thread today on FR: FOOD STAMP USE CLIMBS TO RECORD 46.7 MILLION prompts in me some thoughts to add to the discussion:

1. The SNAP programs are run by the states, with monies sent by the FedGov. If the states sense that FedGov is close to a situation where it is not going to re-imburse them, they will have various reactions. Some, like New York and California, will just keep pumping out SNAP cards, spending money like there is no tomorrow. But a state like Texas or Oklahoma might say NO to fronting the money for SNAP cards. So, at least early on, we might not see LA or NY explode. We might see Houston, Oklahoma City, or other smaller urban enclaves with high minority populations go first.

2. It might not even take a federal bankruptcy to trigger an EBT system failure. There are people who want the EBT system to fail. Consider the fact that the race-baiters believe that more suffering among "their" people might actually achieve their ends. Also, there are elements nominally on the side of FreeFor that might want to give the chaos an artificial push, to stop the federal entitlement monster.

A clever database hack in the state-level (but privately-owned) systems that process EBT cards could temporarily disable transactions on those cards. Such a crude hack would be found and fixed in a matter of days or a week, but if multiple states had their systems attacked at once, the MUY might begin to think the jig is up, and the rioting would start.

Such an artificial "push" might actually cause a WORSE result than an organic financial failure of the EBT system. The race baiters, whether they caused the failure or not, would be screaming at the top of their lungs for vengeance on their racial opposites.

3. Since there are so many people using EBTs, there has begun to exist a pattern that might be exploited by the forces of #2 above: On the night before EBT accounts are filled in that particular state, welfare dependents shop in large chain stores, and then wait for midnight for their "Obama Money" to appear.

These stores have an Achilles heel: their satellite network connection, which is used, among other things, for EBT card verification.

At several large stores in a strategically-chosen city, the operator need only disable the microwave dish on the roof a few seconds or minutes before midnight. This could be done with a standoff weapon like a rifle, or it could be done with a pair of wire cutters on the LNB cable at the dish, if roof access could be had. A very small remotely-detonated explosive squib could cut the cable, too. It could even be done with a private UAV.

The result will be the MUY immediately suspecting "whitey" or the GOP or whomever has denied them "their" benefit. The result will be immediate looting and rioting of the people lined up in the stores, and later, in the streets. It would be hours or days before the stores' uplinks were restored.

Again, the result might even be worse than an organic federal financial failure.

I do not say these things to encourage them, but if we do not face the situation and plan for it, it will overtake us.

175 posted on 09/04/2012 10:36:31 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (My game is disruption. I will use lethal force --my vote-- in self-defense against Obama.)
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To: DuncanWaring
38 rounds into a 12-inch-wide target at 300 yards in one minute.

That is also including the insertion of at least 6 stripper clips or 3 mag changes.

The .303 SMLE is also a healthy kicker. 38 rounds within 60 seconds is abusive.

176 posted on 09/04/2012 10:40:05 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: Eye of Unk
I actually plan on saving most food containers and refilling them with material to duplicate weight and feel, especially boxed foods. Create a fake food larder.

Five minutes after they find out they've been duped, they'll be back on your property with a vengence. May want to just give them the real thing but have other caches they don't know about.

177 posted on 09/04/2012 10:45:25 AM PDT by bgill
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To: Travis McGee
Firing the high-velocity mediocre 5.56×45 mm cartridge.

Fixed that for ya.

178 posted on 09/04/2012 10:46:39 AM PDT by atomic_dog
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To: procrustes
In the back of a pickup, pickin’ off the “yutes”??? Yeah.

Review the case of the DC snipers.

179 posted on 09/04/2012 10:52:16 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Charlie Daniels - Payback Time http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWwTJj_nosI)
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To: Travis McGee
Oh, dude, if I didn't say it before, I'll say it now: Very well done article! Would you like it promoted to the Freeper Editorial and News section as well as the current tags?

(If I focused on the few areas I thought were in some error, don't let that overshadow the overall A+ nature of the effort. It's like after one of your successful missions: You go over your afteraction and see where you could improve, but it's implied that the mission is a success)

180 posted on 09/04/2012 10:52:47 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Communist Party = Democrats. Socialist Party = Republicans. WE NEED A CAPITALIST FREEDOM PARTY!)
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To: Kartographer
There aren’t that many inter-city food stores now. Most large chains pulled out years ago.

Now the subject of the "Food Justice" movement.

181 posted on 09/04/2012 10:53:28 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com)
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To: Travis McGee; All
While we speculate, the looting of supermarkets is ACTUALLY happening in Spain.
182 posted on 09/04/2012 10:56:27 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (My game is disruption. I will use lethal force --my vote-- in self-defense against Obama.)
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To: Lazamataz; buffaloguy

Methinks you two are arguing about different scenarios.

Katrina was a localized event of short duration and substantial advanced notice. The whole country contributed to rescuing it. The entitled could, on the whole, sit there for a few days and wait for others to meet their needs; uncomfortable, yes, but not long for the system to restart.

The point of this thread is a national event of indefinite duration and little advanced notice. The entitled would not be helped as the would-be helpers would be suffering themselves.

One city, a few days’ warning, a few days’ crisis, yes warehouses can be raided to compensate.
All cities, a few hours’ warning, ongoing crisis, all warehouses will be emptied in short order and no one available for distribution and no viable infrastructure to distribute on.
Different scenarios.


183 posted on 09/04/2012 11:01:59 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com)
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To: CodeToad; Lazamataz; Travis McGee

>> Much of the fiber laid in the 1990’s lays dormant.

Are you sure? Because I know people who are laying fiber again, or rather, my wife does (clients).


184 posted on 09/04/2012 11:06:42 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: ctdonath2; buffaloguy
In other words, I was right and buffaloguy was wrong.

It's wonderful to be right so often!

185 posted on 09/04/2012 11:10:31 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Communist Party = Democrats. Socialist Party = Republicans. WE NEED A CAPITALIST FREEDOM PARTY!)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

A grain reserve would be invaluable during droughts

“This raises the question whether a strategic grain reserve needs to be established, much like the strategic petroleum reserve, for use in times of major supply disruptions. The United States maintained such reserve stocks of grains in the past. Over time, these grain reserve programs were discontinued largely because of cost and improved market efficiency. If future supply disruptions attributable to drought become more frequent, they may affect not only
livestock production but human food consumption as well. Some type of a grain reserve may make sense in this changing environment.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/a-grain-reserve-would-be-invaluable-during-droughts/2012/08/12/0bb21f72-e17d-11e1-89f7-76e23a982d06_story.html

USDA: No strategic grain reserves…they sold them!

http://ppjg.me/2010/11/12/usda-no-strategic-grain-reserves-they-sold-them/

Tons more links if you care to look.


186 posted on 09/04/2012 11:14:02 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Lazamataz

“Could you command a force if you could only communicate with 10% of it?”

Yes. 1 tells 10. This situation isn’t the same as a military force; this is one rather nervous and actionable person getting with others.


187 posted on 09/04/2012 11:16:32 AM PDT by CodeToad (Be Prepared...They Are.)
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To: DuncanWaring

Are you a Pournelle reader? He has been quoting from that for years.


188 posted on 09/04/2012 11:16:32 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Surplus U.S. food supplies dry up

http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/food/2008-05-01-usda-food-supply_N.htm


189 posted on 09/04/2012 11:17:48 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: FreedomPoster

Yep. Positive. Ask her about the Colorado lines. I know what I see and hear but perhaps she has a better view of it all.


190 posted on 09/04/2012 11:17:48 AM PDT by CodeToad (Be Prepared...They Are.)
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To: backwoods-engineer

You know, re: snap cards, it’s not even real money anymore. It’s just virtual numbers in a bank account somewhere.

If the various com links die, either because they are cut intentionally or for whatever reason, SNAP dies. No matter how good the states budget is, no matter if the state is sitting on a pile of cash a mile high.

Of course the ATM network is probably dead then also.

That’s when things get serious.


191 posted on 09/04/2012 11:18:47 AM PDT by djf (The barbarian hordes will ALWAYS outnumber the clean-shaven. And they vote.)
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To: Louis Foxwell

I agree that the rioters/looters will not be freedom fighters & no one is saying that they will be. What is being said is that certain members of the MSM & political class will try mightily to proclaim them as such.

This is a very strong worst case scenario based on historical experiences from around the world of conflicts based on race/faith/ethnic/political conflicts combined with the fact that entirely to many of our fellow citizens have no clue how to even plant a garden let alone how to do home canning, or how to get by for as little as a week without electricity.


192 posted on 09/04/2012 11:20:55 AM PDT by Nebr FAL owner
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To: PapaBear3625

One psychopath and a boy. One shot and run.


193 posted on 09/04/2012 11:26:32 AM PDT by procrustes
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To: buffaloguy

I am really enjoying your posts. It’s kinda like listening to my 11 year old grandson talk about life. I live in a city and not being wealthy and a high rise resident, I understand stand the murderous hatred that a self identified tribe has for what it perceives to be my tribe. The happiest day of my life will be when I put the towers of this cesspool in my rear view mirror.


194 posted on 09/04/2012 11:33:22 AM PDT by Stentor
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To: atomic_dog

Nice


195 posted on 09/04/2012 11:47:56 AM PDT by Ratman83
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To: Obadiah

Don’t be to sure about that ,the state of California has been sending out IOU’s to taxpayers instead of checks for tax refunds for years. Grocery stores refuse to cash them & banks & credit unions / savings & loans also were refusing to cash them or accept them for deposit.

The State of California is in even worse shape with regard to its finances than ever before.


196 posted on 09/04/2012 11:52:50 AM PDT by Nebr FAL owner
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To: Kartographer

The trouble with looking at a single facet of American Agribusiness is that it will invariably look bizarre, and this is the case here.

W. Bush is somewhat to blame for the idea of centralizing food production and distribution. He was very big into the idea of a North American Union, the Plan Pueblo Panama, FTAA, the trans-Texas corridor, and other such nonsensical pipe dream indulgences.

However, that being said, all the second link did was to assert that one part of the system had been bled dry. And this is accurate. But that does not mean that the same has happened to its parallel systems.

(And truthfully, he killed his credibility at the end by saying, “As for bio-terrorism……considering we have more than 700 bio-weapons labs cris-crossing the country, its pretty safe to say that should we have a bio weapon attack, it will probably originate from a city near you.”)

Bottom line: Right now, almost 40% of our corn crop goes to ethanol.

The USDA site also says that 4.1% of U.S. corn (2008) goes for high fructose corn syrup. That means that since 29.9% of all U.S. cropland harvested was planted in corn in 2007, 1.2% of all U.S. cropland harvested in 2007 went for high fructose corn syrup. That’s only slightly less than the 1.5% of U.S. cropland devoted to vegetables or the 1.6% of U.S. cropland devoted to [fruit] orchards.

All the US has to do is stop converting corn into ethanol, and in short order, we are up to our eyebrows in corn.


197 posted on 09/04/2012 11:55:23 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: Travis McGee

Could begin any day.

Prepare now.


198 posted on 09/04/2012 11:55:47 AM PDT by blam
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To: FreedomPoster

Beyond “Lucifer’s Hammer”, no.


199 posted on 09/04/2012 11:56:18 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: CodeToad

The person I really should talk to is my college roommate who does big cellular backhaul stuff. Did a lot of microwave back in the day, has been doing big fiber for at least a decade and a half. OC192 and up stuff.


200 posted on 09/04/2012 12:00:15 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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