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CU-Boulder faculty expresses fear over lifting of campus gun ban
Boulder Daily Camera ^ | Sept. 4, 2012 | Mitchell Byars

Posted on 09/05/2012 4:34:15 AM PDT by Second Amendment First

Citing concerns for their safety, University of Colorado faculty members were vocal Tuesday in their opposition of the Colorado Supreme Court's ruling earlier this year to overturn CU's campus gun ban

Chancellor Phil DiStefano, Provost Russell Moore, CU attorney John Sleeman and CU police Cmdr. Robert Axmacher were on hand at a town hall-style meeting Tuesday to try and address the concerns of faculty members, many of whom were deeply disturbed by the fact students could now carry weapons into their lecture halls.

"I don't want to be surrounded by someone who's armed," said Paul Levitt, an English professor at CU. Levitt said that part of teaching sometimes involves intense debate and disappointed students, and he didn't want the threat of armed students impacting the way he teaches his class.

"Some classes are taught aggressively; some are taught passively," he said. "My approach to teaching is to challenge the students, and they don't always take too kindly to that."

The state Supreme Court ruled in March that CU cannot ban concealed-carry permit holders from bringing guns onto campus.

One of the primary concerns from the faculty on Tuesday was that Colorado law protects the identify of people who have concealed-carry permits, making it impossible for professors to know which students may legally have a weapon in the classroom. Permit holders do not have to reveal if they have a permit unless asked by a law enforcement officer.

Several professors asked what they should do if they saw a weapon on a student but were unable to determine if it was permitted or not.

Axmacher said that a faculty member in that situation could call 911 and have police respond. But he warned that teachers need to be careful about how they handle those situations.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailycamera.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist
The libs love big government with lots of laws, but let there be one law passed that they don't like and they're screaming bloody murder.

They always seem to forget that when their beloved police state arrives that the intellectuals will be among the first ones cleansed.

1 posted on 09/05/2012 4:34:25 AM PDT by Second Amendment First
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To: Second Amendment First
I would ask the staff who (note who, not what) it is that they are afraid of. A unhinged student, angry coworker, random jerk of the street? Then run this little thought experiment... Would such a person be stopped by one of their cute little signs banning firearms?

Oh, since this is CU Boulder how about this. Since you're always talking about this freedom and that right... Why are you, yes you CU Boulder trampling on others' rights?

2 posted on 09/05/2012 4:43:46 AM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Stop obama now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: Second Amendment First
right because a nut job with a gun, out to wreak havoc upon the population there, will see the no guns allowed sign and leave their guns at home.


3 posted on 09/05/2012 4:45:43 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Second Amendment First

I feel the least safe in places with gun bans or no CCW reciprocal policies.

There is a difference between challenging students and antagonizing them. Apparently this professor doesn’t know the difference.


4 posted on 09/05/2012 4:46:34 AM PDT by sf4dubya (I rebelled against my parents by becoming a conservative. REJECT THEN STOP SOCIALISM THIS NOV!)
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To: Second Amendment First

When you strip away all of the shining rhetoric, the truth remains that the overriding dominant driver of Totatlitarian Elites is fear of the masses....


5 posted on 09/05/2012 4:48:38 AM PDT by Uncle Ike (Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
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To: Second Amendment First

I had a shotgun in my closet all the time I was in college but until this moment, it never occurred to me that I could, in fact maybe should, shoot my English teacher.


6 posted on 09/05/2012 4:48:53 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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To: Second Amendment First

That and they do not trust themselves to handle guns properly.


7 posted on 09/05/2012 4:54:32 AM PDT by riverrunner
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To: Second Amendment First

I would change one sentence.

From “...faculty members, many of whom were deeply disturbed...”, to

“...faculty members, many of whom ARE deeply disturbed...”


8 posted on 09/05/2012 5:01:13 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: sickoflibs; NFHale; stephenjohnbanker
why doesnt it take all of about 10 seconds to explain to these enlightened brainiacks that a percentage of their students have and always will be armed, law or no law ???

and since they obviously are too stoopit to realize this on their own, they obviously should have their licenses yanked until they can figgure it out...

9 posted on 09/05/2012 5:07:27 AM PDT by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: Second Amendment First

A little fear in the elites is a good thing.


10 posted on 09/05/2012 5:18:45 AM PDT by x1stcav (There's a bunch of us out here spoiling for a fight.)
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To: Second Amendment First
"I don't want to be surrounded by someone who's armed," said Paul Levitt, an English professor at CU. (snip)

"Some classes are taught aggressively; some are taught passively," he said. "My approach to teaching is to challenge the students, and they don't always take too kindly to that."

Levitt's imprecise command of the spoken language ("surrounded" by one armed person?) makes me further question how one "challenges" students in a college English class. Given the general lack of spelling and grammar skills shown by the college age group, does he place himself in mortal danger by being a spelling/grammar Nazi? Are there impassioned debates about whether Shakespeare really existed and wrote his works or was it Roger Bacon? Does the inability to develop a thesis statement in a composition make him confrontational with the freshmen? Many academics have no grasp of what true freedom really means when applied as envisioned by the founders.

11 posted on 09/05/2012 5:36:49 AM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: T-Bird45

And I don’t want to be surrounded by panty-wetting,tenured, Marxists. But if you go to college, odds are you will be.


12 posted on 09/05/2012 5:40:53 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: sf4dubya

“Some classes are taught aggressively; some are taught passively,” he said. “My approach to teaching is to challenge the students, and they don’t always take too kindly to that.”

Meaning that she attempts to brainwash students and is suddenly afraid due to a guilty conscience of what might happen to her.


13 posted on 09/05/2012 5:40:53 AM PDT by winner3000
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To: winner3000

She should get a CCW and try to jump through all the hoops we have to.

Or anger management classes.


14 posted on 09/05/2012 5:45:57 AM PDT by sf4dubya (I rebelled against my parents by becoming a conservative. REJECT THEN STOP SOCIALISM THIS NOV!)
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To: TurboZamboni

“I don’t want to be surrounded by someone who’s armed,” said Paul Levitt, an English professor at CU.
Ummm, surrounded by one person? And you’re an English Professor? Hmmm...


15 posted on 09/05/2012 5:53:49 AM PDT by Freedom4Life (The 2nd Amendment is in place in case they ignore the others.)
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To: Second Amendment First

Only faculty members that have ulterior motives need be worried.


16 posted on 09/05/2012 6:16:56 AM PDT by chainsaw ("Two ways to conquer and enslave a nation. One is by the sword. The other is by debt.")
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To: Second Amendment First
Well, if all you august and indispensable professor are so worried, then you are free to find other employment elsewhere. Oh, wait, you don't want to give up your tenured slot. Then stop acting like spoiled 12-year olds and get over it. Actually, if a CCW licensee is in your class, you should be PAYING them for armed security.
17 posted on 09/05/2012 6:47:15 AM PDT by MasterGunner01
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To: Second Amendment First

Cowards. Sissified cowards.


18 posted on 09/05/2012 6:56:33 AM PDT by vpintheak (Occupy your Brain!)
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To: Second Amendment First

People who object to weapons aren’t abolishing violence, they’re begging for rule by brute force, when the biggest, strongest animals among men were always automatically ‘right’. Guns ended that, and social democracy is a hollow farce without an armed populace to make it work.


19 posted on 09/05/2012 7:28:35 AM PDT by Terry L Smith
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To: bert
"I had a shotgun in my closet all the time I was in college but until this moment, it never occurred to me that I could, in fact maybe should, shoot my English teacher."

Why? For failing to teach you the proper rules of punctuation?

20 posted on 09/05/2012 7:47:07 AM PDT by EnigmaticAnomaly ("Mantra of the left: 'It's only okay when WE do it.'")
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To: Second Amendment First
"I don't want to be surrounded by someone who's armed," said Paul Levitt, an English professor at CU. "

Well, that proves the worth of English classes at CU...

21 posted on 09/05/2012 7:52:06 AM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: bert

All joking aside, I think these liberal asshats are trying to imply that the students of said university cannot be trusted. They are simply bleating from on high in their ivory towers to the “unwashed masses” who are beneath them in station and sophistication.


22 posted on 09/05/2012 7:54:36 AM PDT by EnigmaticAnomaly ("Mantra of the left: 'It's only okay when WE do it.'")
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To: Gilbo_3; sickoflibs; NFHale

Uh....because liberals are self loathing and STUPID ?


23 posted on 09/05/2012 8:57:38 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: Gilbo_3; sickoflibs; stephenjohnbanker; x1stcav; Second Amendment First

“..were deeply disturbed by the fact students could now carry weapons into their lecture halls. ...”

Hahah...they’d sh*t themselves if they ever realized just how many folks were ALREADY carrying in their esteemed presence...

They LOVE law when it works in their favor... when it works in favor of us little people, well...not so much.

I’m lovin’ this one for sure...

Hope it keeps them up at night, wetting themselves.


24 posted on 09/05/2012 9:03:43 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: TXnMA; Gilbo_3; sickoflibs; stephenjohnbanker; x1stcav; Second Amendment First

” “I don’t want to be surrounded by someone who’s armed,” said Paul Levitt, an English professor at CU. “”

Well, that proves the worth of English classes at CU...

LMAO !


25 posted on 09/05/2012 9:08:45 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker; Gilbo_3; sickoflibs

They believe in the government and its agents having a monopoly on force, especially when they control the government.

100 million gun owners and counting say “we disagree...and no longer politely”.

F*** ‘em.


26 posted on 09/05/2012 9:09:01 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: NFHale

” Hope it keeps them up at night, wetting themselves.”

They only thing they are good at.


27 posted on 09/05/2012 9:10:51 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: NFHale

” They believe in the government and its agents having a monopoly on force, especially when they control the government.”

Sadly for them, the private sector has far more guns & ammo than our government.


28 posted on 09/05/2012 9:13:46 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker; TXnMA; Gilbo_3; sickoflibs; x1stcav; Second Amendment First

Exercise your right, be prepared to be challenged on it, and be able to defend it.

Or you HAVE no rights.

If some Marxist wretch of a professor calls 911 and creates an incident where the Blue Brotherhood comes in guns blazing, he should be sued down to his last penny, and then sued again until even that penny is gone.

These cretins started this fight. We need to get in their faces, BE in their faces, and remain in their faces at every opportunity.

I think every student that carries and feels harassed or threatened by these pr*cks needs to let them know that there will be legal and civil repercussions should any of the faculty try to harass them in the course of exercising their right.

Any gunny lawyers out here willing to back up fellow gunnies pro bono, for the furtherance of “The Cause”?

There should be. There should be LEGIONS of legal scholars and lawyers on our side.


29 posted on 09/05/2012 9:21:13 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

“...They only thing they are good at...”

Oh, they’re good at a number of things, brother...namely, effing up the country in as many ways as possible and ruining it for the greatest number of people possible.

They’ve been spot-on, bang-up, PERFECT at that...


30 posted on 09/05/2012 9:23:35 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: NFHale

” If some Marxist wretch of a professor calls 911 and creates an incident where the Blue Brotherhood comes in guns blazing, he should be sued down to his last penny, and then sued again until even that penny is gone.

These cretins started this fight. We need to get in their faces, BE in their faces, and remain in their faces at every opportunity.”

BINGO!


31 posted on 09/05/2012 9:32:46 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker; sickoflibs; Gilbo_3; TXnMA; x1stcav; Second Amendment First

Where’s the NRA on this? Have they come out publicly and stated that they will unequivocally support any student who is being harassed and threatened by these professors and staff?

How about every other firearms rights organization in the country banding together - a giant, frigging WALL of money and pissed-off, motivated, determined American Patriots - and standing behind every gun owner?

Might be letter-writing time to some well-placed folks in the NRA, GOA, JPFO and a host of others. Time to put all those donations and dues to REAL use.


32 posted on 09/05/2012 9:40:30 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: NFHale

” Might be letter-writing time to some well-placed folks in the NRA, GOA, JPFO and a host of others.”

Good idea, but phone calls might be more effective.


33 posted on 09/05/2012 9:43:24 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Withholding dues and membership money might be even more effective - until we see some results.

Forming Protective and Mutual Defensive Organizations for gun owners who are being harrassed might even be the best way to go. Hundreds of thousands of motivated folks sticking up for each other.

We’re an army...where’s all the organizers who know how to put this sh*t together and get it up and running?


34 posted on 09/05/2012 9:51:25 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: NFHale

” Forming Protective and Mutual Defensive Organizations for gun owners who are being harrassed might even be the best way to go. Hundreds of thousands of motivated folks sticking up for each other.”

This is a great idea.


35 posted on 09/05/2012 9:55:24 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

If I was a radical professor, running aggressive communist brain washing classes in which I attempt to break down a person’s sexuality, personality, belief structure, morals and values, and replace them with the latest group-think political correctness, I would be afraid that the inmates may be armed, too.

In addition, leftists have promoted the notion that anyone who disagrees with them are racist, criminally insane individuals and this means conceal carry people are insane since radicals reject the second amendment. To them this means they will be surrounded with armed, insane people.

Too bad. Radicals push the limits of decent human interaction and deny people human dignity and independence of being. They are egotistical and cruel group-think mob leaders when in total control but naturally fearful when not in total control. That is why they fear and hate individual freedom.


36 posted on 09/05/2012 10:11:58 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Second Amendment First
"I don't want to be surrounded by someone who's armed,"..

If it enables one guy to "surround" you, professor, that firearm is a real force multiplier!

37 posted on 09/05/2012 10:43:48 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: SaraJohnson

” If I was a radical professor, running aggressive communist brain washing classes in which I attempt to break down a person’s sexuality, personality, belief structure, morals and values, and replace them with the latest group-think political correctness, I would be afraid that the inmates may be armed, too.”

Of course. It would also restrain some of them from pushing the leftist envelope too far in the classrom.


38 posted on 09/05/2012 10:52:18 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: NFHale
Might be letter-writing time to some well-placed folks in the NRA, GOA, JPFO and a host of others. Time to put all those donations and dues to REAL use.

sadly, i doubt theyd be interested in county/state/national defense funds/lawyers to fight for individuals...they would have to suffer the black eyes everytime a david koresh or george zimmerman gets his nutz in a vice, along with all the other guys who do uppity things like OC in 'legal' OC areas...

nra materials go straight to the trash, theyd finance a fund just in stationary/postage if they really wanted to, but then the *issue* is its own cash cow...

39 posted on 09/05/2012 11:13:18 AM PDT by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: bert

But you didn’t shoot your English professor because you asked yourself the questions: Is this a good idea ,is the professor worth the cost of the powder/brass/primer & lead ?

That is what separates you from the faculty of your college ,you ask questions that require you to think about what the consequences of your actions will be.


40 posted on 09/05/2012 11:27:13 AM PDT by Nebr FAL owner
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To: Gilbo_3

“...long with all the other guys who do uppity things like OC in ‘legal’ OC areas....”

That would be me...:^)


41 posted on 09/05/2012 11:46:31 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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