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Disciplining Students Is Racist?
Front Page Magazine ^ | September 5, 2012 | Michael P. Tremoglie

Posted on 09/05/2012 12:23:44 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

Among all the bizarre ideas that emanate from the callow and sciolistic mind of the modern American liberal, the statistical disparity argument is one of the most fallacious. It has permeated and destroyed so many aspects of society. It is now being offered by Obama’s education secretary, Arne Duncan, in the area of disciplining school students.

I first ran across this during the 1970s as a night school accounting student taking a sociology course. The professor announced the canard that America has something like five percent of the world’s population but uses twenty-five percent of the world’s resources. Do not quote me on the exact words and figures. You get the idea.

But the fallacy of the argument is lost on the holier-than-thou liberal. Omitted is the fact that America produces thirty percent of the goods and services that the world uses. Or that America is the biggest economy in the world and is the market that other countries need to acquire wealth through trade.

One of the worst applications of this has been in crime. The ACLU, as well as the Jesse Jacksons and Al Sharptons of the world, use the fact that blacks are arrested and imprisoned in higher percentages than there are blacks in the general population as proof of racism.

The whole story is not told though. What the leftists omit is that blacks are also crime victims in higher percentages than they are in the general population. So unless the ACLU et al. are willing to admit that the black criminals are preying on black victims because of racism, then this obviously proves that more blacks are in prison because more blacks are committing crime in greater numbers.

Maybe the liberals should confine their efforts to why this is rather than try to excuse this with specious claims of racism.

Gail Heriot, a commissioner of the United States Commission on Civil Rights (USCCR), makes this same argument in rebuttal to the policy being implemented by Duncan, which essentially demands that a quota be developed for disciplining school students.

Duncan, in 2010, dramatically announced that the Dept. of Education (ED) “will be issuing a series of guidance letters to school districts and postsecondary institutions that will address issues of fairness and equity. We will be announcing a number of compliance reviews to ensure that all students have equal access to educational opportunities, including a college-prep curriculum, advanced courses, and STEM classes. We will review whether districts and schools are disciplining students without regard to skin color. … African-American students without disabilities are more than three times as likely to be expelled as their white peers. African-American students with disabilities are over twice as likely to be expelled or suspended as their white counterparts. Those facts testify to racial gaps that are hard to explain away by reference to the usual suspects.”

Are they not explained by the usual suspects?

Heriot does not think so. She wrote in her rebuttal contained in the USCCR’s briefing report, which was derived from 2011 testimony the USCCR heard examining the effect ED’s “Disparate Impact” initiative had on schools and school districts across the country.

She said, “What if an important reason African-American students were being disciplined more often than white or Asian students is that more African-American students were misbehaving? And what if the cost of failing to discipline those students primarily falls on their fellow African-American students who are trying to learn amid classroom disorder? Will unleashing the Department of Education’s Office for Civil Rights and its army of lawyers cause those schools to eliminate only that portion of the discipline gap (if any) that was the result of race discrimination? Or will schools react more heavy-handedly by tolerating more classroom disorder, thus making it more difficult for students who share the classroom with unruly students to learn?”

Another member, Commissioner Abigail Thernstrom also noted the specious nature of the Obama administration’s argument. She wrote in comments in the report, “We can all agree that, proportionate to their school population, black children are much more likely than their white or Asian peers to be disciplined for behavior the schools find intolerable. I hope we can also acknowledge that whites are twice as likely to be disciplined as Asians.”

But the most scathing criticism came from Commissioner Todd Gaziano. He is very familiar with the Obama administration’s penchant for unequal enforcement of civil rights laws, having battled Attorney General Eric Holder’s stonewalling of the New Black Panther voter intimidation case that the USCCR tried to conduct.

Gaziano wrote, “As Deputy Assistant Secretary of Education for Civil Rights Ricardo Soto explained in his statement to the Commission, the Department’s regulations prohibit ‘race-neutral policies, practices, or procedures that have a disparate impact on the basis of race, color or national origin.’ Although this phrasing has been part of the executive branch’s lexicon for some time, it is still worth pausing a moment on the Orwellian doublespeak of anything having a ‘disparate impact on [a] basis’ to show how hard the Department must strain to use some of the words of the statute in service of the opposite of what they provide. Because a disparate impact is usually understood as an unintended effect, and may include many unintended effects, this formulation awkwardly attempts to equate unintended ‘impacts’ with the actual basis (or ground) for the action. Putting aside this nonsensical use of the English language, Soto’s testimony accurately described the Department’s disparate-impact theory …”

Gaziano also observed that the statistical disparity argument applied to school discipline is just as hollow as it is in the field of criminal justice. He noted the deleterious effects of that policy.

Liberal education policies have already damaged public education tremendously. This policy will make the damage irreparable for minority students.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government
KEYWORDS: crime; discipline; education; racism
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1 posted on 09/05/2012 12:23:48 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
This is the equivalent of saying that we have to convict more innocent white people of murder to be fair to blacks, who are only 12% of the population but commit 50% of the murders.
2 posted on 09/05/2012 12:28:25 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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Policies proposed to boost boys [and men] of color ....[CA] "State leaders should revise school testing and funding, extend health care coverage for those aging out of foster care, and make it harder for schools to suspend and expel - all to improve the odds of success for boys and young men of color in California.

Those are among dozens of recommendations from a state legislative committee that spent the past year and a half looking into why the state's minority youth are less healthy, have lower test scores and are more likely to be incarcerated than other young people.

.....Assembly Select Committee on the Status of Boys and Men of Color, led by Assemblyman Sandré Swanson, D-Alameda, will introduce more than 50 pages of policy and legislative recommendations...

......[Swanson] plans to ask Assembly Speaker John Pérez to appoint a new chair so the committee can continue its work next year, and see whether lawmakers should create a state commission on the status of boys and men of color.

Here is a sampling of recommendations from the state Assembly's Select Committee on the Status of Boys and Men of Color:....."

3 posted on 09/05/2012 12:31:16 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: All
A cry in the black education wilderness
4 posted on 09/05/2012 12:34:00 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Or a certain percentage of black murderers get to go free and unprosecuted, just to allow the rates to equalize. Either way, it is BS.


5 posted on 09/05/2012 12:34:35 PM PDT by NEMDF
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

That crap started in the 60’s.


6 posted on 09/05/2012 12:34:55 PM PDT by FrankR (They will become our ultimate masters the day we surrender the 2nd Amendment.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Failing to discipline misbehaving black students causes a disparate impact on well behaved black students.

Therefore, whoever is caught misbehaving must always be punished, regardless of race, lest their peer group be disparately impacted.


7 posted on 09/05/2012 12:35:42 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (You didn't build that. The private sector is doing fine. We tried our plan and it worked.)
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To: Uncle Miltie

I’ve heard liberals say that many minorities get in trouble at school because we don’t understand ghetto culture. It’s as is we need to understand dissing so that kids do not get in trouble for fighting because they were dissed.


8 posted on 09/05/2012 12:48:13 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Uncle Miltie

I’ve heard liberals say that many minorities get in trouble at school because we don’t understand ghetto culture. It’s as is we need to understand dissing so that kids do not get in trouble for fighting because they were dissed.


9 posted on 09/05/2012 12:48:38 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

“The soft racism of lower expectations.”


10 posted on 09/05/2012 12:50:41 PM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Barry Obama cannot run on his failed anti-Capitalist, Socialistic record so he will as noted, use the race card to threaten otherwise color blind people. Barry Hussein Obama is a calloused and crooked politician from the Saul Alinsly school of - Pick the target - white people - freeze it - make the most of the Politically Correct.... personalize it - race and polarize it using lies, innuendo, guilt for success....Barry Obama will use his race without blinking; he has been there and done that Politically Correct America has forgone courage and Barry Hussein Obama knows it....Michelle Obama is truly racist.
11 posted on 09/05/2012 12:50:59 PM PDT by yoe
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; All

great article. thanks for posting it.
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i think the key point is this:
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“I hope we can also acknowledge that whites are twice as likely to be disciplined as Asians.”
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basically, proving that it is NOT because of “racist” teachers over-disciplining black students.


12 posted on 09/05/2012 1:15:30 PM PDT by Elendur (It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

It’s racist if you don’t wear your pants halfway down your crack and sire children out of wedlock.


13 posted on 09/05/2012 1:24:24 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew (Kyrie Eleison)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

It’s racist to even make black kids go to school.


14 posted on 09/05/2012 1:26:59 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

The gender discrimination in school discipline and prison terms is even worse.

Males are only 50% of the population, but 93% of those in prison. The only explanation for this disproportion is illegal discrimination. We must therefore imprison random females and/or release male prisoners until the sex ration in prisons is balanced at 50%.

We also need to release young people and imprison more older people. More discrimination.


15 posted on 09/05/2012 2:15:36 PM PDT by Sherman Logan (Perception wins all the battles. Reality wins all the wars.)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Boy, I’ve heard some lame arguments from liberals, but that’s a new one for me. It’s not that we don’t understand ghetto culture, it’s just that we (rightly) don’t tolerate it in our schools. At least, that is the way that it should be.


16 posted on 09/05/2012 2:18:13 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Uncle Miltie

If they only fit into the system.... but then again it’s a “whiteman’s” thing.... man of these issues would disappear. Instead of being Afro Americans , they need to be Americans. They need to drop their own counter culture for their own survival and success in the “whiteman’s” system.

I do not care where you go, there is only one way to put a nut on a bolt.

It all starts with education, and the parents promoting education...... and not such nonsense as ebonics.


17 posted on 09/05/2012 2:19:53 PM PDT by himno hero (hadnuff)
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To: Boogieman

Ghetto culture is regression to tribal ways. Millions of years of genetics has to have effected day to day living for the genocidal maniacs and free rangers. Conversely, the “whiteman” has experienced civilization since the Romans hit town.....thus have other preconceived notions about day to day living.


18 posted on 09/05/2012 2:24:21 PM PDT by himno hero (hadnuff)
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To: himno hero

Well, if you are an evolutionist, then all of the civilization that white folks have had for a couple thousand of years really does not amount to a bucket of spit. Sure, it was the most recent environment we have adapted to, but that would only be a blink of the eye in the evolutionary time scale, not enough to erase our previous genetic predispositions.


19 posted on 09/05/2012 2:55:04 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman

For the “whiteman”? Clearly the most single contributor for our social behavior is Christianity. For the industrial free west? Same

For Africa? they never experienced civilization. Maybeeee two spots for a brief period. Show me where they had organized farming and calculation of taxes for the greater social good...

There are reasons.....


20 posted on 09/05/2012 3:02:00 PM PDT by himno hero (hadnuff)
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To: himno hero

“For the “whiteman”? Clearly the most single contributor for our social behavior is Christianity. For the industrial free west? Same”

Yes, this I can totally agree with. However, on the one hand you correctly give credit to Christianity for white people’s success, but then blame the failures of blacks on genetics. Yet, we know that whites can be just as, if not more, barbaric than the worst tribes in Africa, if we abandon our Christian values and faith. Just look at Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union.

I think the problem is mainly that, when we tried to introduce Christianity to many peoples, it was part and parcel of a secular colonization effort as well. So, when they became disillusioned with the colonial systems, they also wanted to abandon the Christianity that they viewed as tied to it. Basically, they tossed out the baby with the bathwater.


21 posted on 09/05/2012 3:38:07 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; potlatch; PhilDragoo

I just visited a friend, a teacher in a bankrupt California city. Her first grade class size was increased this year from 20 to 32. There are no aides, Phys.Ed., art or music. There is no library, other than what teachers bring in themselves. Her district has accepted 0bama cash. Her students are primarily black and Spanish-speaking students. An edict has been given to NOT refer any black students to the office for discipline, because it will ruin the district’s statistics. Even the little ones have the power, and they know it. Any deficits in their performance are officially the teacher’s fault. The textbooks cover all the lefty social issues.


22 posted on 09/05/2012 7:15:51 PM PDT by ntnychik
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To: himno hero
depends on which "whiteman" -- if one takes that as a blanket for all Caucasians then the first Caucasians that were civilised were the Semitic Akkadians who learnt civilisation from the Sumerians in 2500 BC. If one restricts it to Europeans then the Minoans around 1700 BC but individual European groups were late to civilisation: first the Greeks, then the Italics, then the Celts, then the Germanics including Vikings (around 600 to 900 AD) then the Slavs (800 to 1000 AD) and finally the Baltics (around 1400 AD)

In contrast among Africans there is also a wide distribution -- the Ethiopians and Nubian people have been civilised since at leave 1700 BC or earlier -- earlier than European "whites". The West African empires and societies of GhanaEmpire, Songhai Empire etc. in the period 800 AD to 1400 AD did have organized agriculture and taxation

23 posted on 09/05/2012 7:57:12 PM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Boogieman

All excellent points.
Here we are in 2012 and the majority of Africa, rural still functions at the tribal level with tribal politicx. Every other year as a result they have a genocide or two. Funny how development works.


24 posted on 09/05/2012 9:48:53 PM PDT by himno hero (hadnuff)
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To: Cronos

See, the interesting thing I have witnessed in Africa is the racist counter culture amongst the illiterates. If someone has learned english , may will shun the kid, and or pick on him too for being “white”.

I would speculate that it is racism being practiced by the illiterate kids here too, for not wanting to participate nor fall into the system.... thus they run into problems getting educated.

“Lets go get some cash... “


25 posted on 09/05/2012 10:33:11 PM PDT by himno hero (hadnuff)
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To: himno hero

in Africa?? Or among African-Americans in the USA?


26 posted on 09/05/2012 11:50:52 PM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: himno hero
rural still functions at the tribal level with tribal politicx.

because the problem is that there are tribes cut across national boundaries.

27 posted on 09/05/2012 11:53:46 PM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Cronos; himno hero

Proverbs 14:34

Righteousness exalteth a nation: but sin is a reproach to any people.


28 posted on 09/06/2012 2:48:43 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ntnychik
2003 - ***"persistently dangerous" schools......... By law, parents can now transfer their children out of schools labeled dangerous - and many here are doing so. .....The classification of Doris Miller as "dangerous" is based on incidents of violent behavior recorded between 1999 and 2002, and evaluated by Texas education officials this summer. The junior high reported 15 incidents between in those three years that Texas officials deemed "expellable" felonies. The definition of "persistently dangerous" is determined by each state.

............. As the 50 states for the first time hand out the "persistently dangerous" label as part of the Bush administration's sweeping Leave No Child Behind Act, it is sharpening the debate over what exactly an unsafe school is. It is also raising moral questions within districts about how aggressive they should be in reporting incidents of violence.

To critics, the fact that so few schools nationwide were so designated indicates that administrators are ignoring - or simply not reporting - all the mayhem in their hallways.

"It is very likely that there is reluctance among schools to report incidents now because it would bring them too much trouble," say Ronald Stephens, executive director of the National School Safety Center, a nonprofit advocacy group in Westville, Calif. .........................

................But national statistics of school crime, say experts, seem to indicate that more schools should qualify for the classification. In 2000, 72 of every 1,000 students ages 12 through 18 reported being victims of crimes at school. The average far exceeds most states' requirements for a dangerous school.

At the heart of the discrepancy may well be a reluctance on the part of educators to report campus crime fully. A survey by the National Association of School Resource Officers found that 89 percent of school police believe crime is already underreported. "It's the scarlet letter in education today," says Mr. Trump. "Administrators have said to me privately that they would rather be academically failing than be a dangerous school." *** School-safety rankings - or just black marks?

29 posted on 09/06/2012 3:19:15 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Uncle Miltie

Exactly. Two days ago I sent office referrals (and placed phone calls) for 7 disruptive students—all of them Black. In each case, individual exhortations desk-side failed to elicit the appropriate response in terms of behavior. That’s 7 out of a class of 29; you can imagine the difficulty the other students were having while trying to listen and learn. I took no satisfaction in the task, except for this: I was standing up for the rights of those students who came to learn that day! This has always been my determining factor in meting out disciplinary measures—measures which,by the way, are scant and ineffective in today’s environment.
Whenever I am challenged along racial lines by parents, students or administrators, I remind them of my students who come to school to learn, how they have comported themselves, ready and attentive, willing to learn; how they will sometimes look at me with pleading eyes; how they’ve come day in and day out hoping to wring some sort of education out of their school day. I remind them that I am here for THEM, as well as the disruptive students. If you ask me, job one for those students bent on disruption is to bring the swift rod of correction down on them—this is the first lesson they need to understand about education: it does not happen apart from [self-]discipline.

Well, gotta go! Off to another exciting day of fun and learning at the good ol’ gubmint school of eju-ma-cashun!


30 posted on 09/06/2012 3:47:32 AM PDT by MarDav
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Thanks for your reply. 20 years ago I was a school administrator at a meeting of the Superintendents of 26 school districts. The subject was reporting of violence in the schools. Only one super had reported honestly. The others berated him for making them look bad on honest reporting. When there’s a government rule, there’s an infinite number of unintended consequences.


31 posted on 09/06/2012 9:52:04 AM PDT by ntnychik
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"Only one super had reported honestly."

Honesty left the classroom the moment the left entered.

32 posted on 09/06/2012 10:03:41 AM PDT by Jakarta ex-pat
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Maybe the liberals should confine their efforts to why this is rather than try to excuse this with specious claims of racism.

This isn't about stats, fairness, penological consistency, or any other thing than a contest of wills between the population producing this army of criminals, and the rest of society. It is about race -- that part at least is correct.

This isn't a discussion. It's warfare. Realize that, or be a chump and a victim.

33 posted on 09/06/2012 11:42:59 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: MarDav

you sound like an excellent teacher.....


34 posted on 09/14/2012 12:50:41 AM PDT by cherry
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