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Duckworth: Government still paying out two Civil War pensions
The Hill ^ | September 5, 2012

Posted on 09/05/2012 4:26:14 PM PDT by SMGFan

Democratic House candidate Tammy Duckworth (Ill.) emphasized the cost of war Wednesday with a curious example.

The former assistant Veterans Affairs secretary, who lost her legs serving in Iraq, noted that the federal government is still paying out pensions to the children of two Civil War veterans — 147 years after the conflict ended.

“We have to understand what the cost of war is. We are still in this country paying for two children of Civil War veterans,” Duckworth told a flabbergasted panel on veterans hosted by the Truman National Security Project.

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We ended the phone tax for Spanish American War after 108 years.
1 posted on 09/05/2012 4:26:17 PM PDT by SMGFan
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To: SMGFan

I don’t think they are children any more


2 posted on 09/05/2012 4:30:27 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: SMGFan
“We have to understand what the cost of war is. We are still in this country paying for two children of Civil War veterans..."

Oh my God, the world's going to end, we're all going to die!!!!!

3 posted on 09/05/2012 4:31:09 PM PDT by BlessedBeGod
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To: BlessedBeGod

Well every little bit adds up. How about we start with them and go from there.


4 posted on 09/05/2012 4:33:12 PM PDT by napscoordinator (Paul Ryan/Rick Santorum 2012....That would be the best scenario ever.)
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To: SMGFan
We ended the phone tax for Spanish American War after 108 years.
I believe the gasoline tax to pay for the WWI vets' bonuses, was still on the books until the late 1990s.
5 posted on 09/05/2012 4:33:47 PM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: SMGFan
These are the children of soldiers who put their lives on the line to free the slaves that the Democrats wanted to keep enslaved. No wonder they are pissed off.
6 posted on 09/05/2012 4:34:16 PM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah, so shall it be again.")
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To: SMGFan

Yeah, but a Civil War pension sure isn’t going to break the bank. What are they getting, around $27/month? I vote that they leave them alone and leave their pensions intact.


8 posted on 09/05/2012 4:39:07 PM PDT by Fast Moving Angel (A moral wrong is not a civil right: No religious sanction of an irreligious act.)
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To: GeronL

I don’t think they are children any more


Maybe I’m nuts, but how is this possible that we are paying for children of Civil War Veterans?


9 posted on 09/05/2012 4:42:22 PM PDT by DefeatCorruption
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To: DefeatCorruption

A good question


10 posted on 09/05/2012 4:45:01 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: DefeatCorruption

>>Maybe I’m nuts, but how is this possible that we are paying for children of Civil War Veterans?

Maybe they’ve been dead since 1960, but they’re such loyal Democrat voters that the government doesn’t want to drop them off the rolls.


11 posted on 09/05/2012 4:51:59 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: DefeatCorruption
How could it be that there are children of civil war veterans?

Lets guess that these are 90 year old now... so born in 1932.
Assume their mothers were young (20 year old), but got married to someone with a guaranteed income (ie a government pension).
Assume their fathers were 80 when they were born (1932 minus 80 is 1852 as the fathers birth year).
In the last year of the civil war (1865) they would have been 13 years old. Possible as a drummer or even as a late-war conscript for the south.

12 posted on 09/05/2012 5:00:32 PM PDT by mason-dixon (As Mason said to Dixon, you have to draw the line somewhere.)
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To: DefeatCorruption
Maybe I’m nuts, but how is this possible that we are paying for children of Civil War Veterans?

Wanna really go nuts?

Former President John Tyler, born in 1790, still has two living grandchildren.

13 posted on 09/05/2012 5:00:39 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: DefeatCorruption

http://ironbrigader.com/2012/02/13/children-civil-war-veterans-alive-147-years-war-ended/

Served young, fathered late.


14 posted on 09/05/2012 5:00:42 PM PDT by FewsOrange
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To: Bryanw92

it’s simple. A young civil war soldier gets old during the Depression. He marries a 16-year-old and he dies while impregnating her-it’s like assault with a dead weapon. The child is a war orphan and his momma a war widow and still alive.


15 posted on 09/05/2012 5:02:21 PM PDT by DIRTYSECRET
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To: SMGFan

How does the math work here?
My greatgreatgrandad was in the CW, in 1863 he was twelve, which means he was born in 1851.
Even if he fathered a child at 100, that would be 1951.
His child would no longer be a child in 1969, at age 18.
Is there some special stipulation that CW vet’s children receive benefits forever?


16 posted on 09/05/2012 5:02:21 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: DefeatCorruption

Albert Woolson, the last Union veteran, died in 1956 at age 106. There were still a good many of these guys extant in the 1920s and 1930s- it is not inconceivable they had children late in life.

Here’s one to wrap your head around- the last veteran of the American Revolution died in 1868...around long enough to have seen the Civil War and known the abovementioned Mr. Woolson....two lifetimes spanning much of the history of this nation.


17 posted on 09/05/2012 5:03:59 PM PDT by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: GeronL

I’ll bet she didn’t mention that 330,000 White Union Military died between 1861-1865 to free the slaves.
An inconvenient memory if you’re a Democrat, a Cargo Cultist and/or looking for repartitions.

God bless her for her service and sacrifices. Watched part of her speech last night, believe should keep better company.


18 posted on 09/05/2012 5:05:12 PM PDT by BilLies (DOES THE OBAMA PROVIDE BILL CLINTON WITH SEXUAL LIAISONS OR IS HE ON HIS OWN?)
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To: SMGFan

Daddy had them when he was in his 80s, and the kids are over 100. What was the point she was trying to make? She’s running for office as a Democrat. Is she trying to help Veterans, or the Democrat party?


19 posted on 09/05/2012 5:15:55 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: BilLies

bump


20 posted on 09/05/2012 5:22:11 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: svcw
Is there some special stipulation that CW vet’s children receive benefits forever?

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Department of Veteran Affairs spokesman Phil Budahn says the VA last checked in on the benefits recipients in the fall. Both were alive, but in poor health.

Budahn says it's likely that the children of the Civil War veterans, who have wished to remain anonymous, both had illnesses that prevented them from ever becoming self-sufficient..

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As of 2007 there were also 50 Spanish-American War veterans widows and 62 children receiving benefits, and over 2,000 widows and over 2000 children of WWI veterans on the rolls. Source

Since 1958, Confederate veterans have been considered US veterans (even though there were only at most one or two left by that date and they may not have been authentic). I don't know how exactly that would affect the children of rebel veterans.

21 posted on 09/05/2012 5:32:29 PM PDT by x
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To: rockrr

standwatie and lentulus?


22 posted on 09/05/2012 5:33:35 PM PDT by x
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To: x

Very interesting information.


23 posted on 09/05/2012 5:37:34 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: x

I hope stan is doing well wherever he is. He was fun - though completely unhinged ;-)


24 posted on 09/05/2012 5:39:34 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: blueunicorn6

The point? Perhaps that dhimmicrats get their panties in a wad over the most trivial of things and usually miss the forest for the trees.


25 posted on 09/05/2012 5:42:06 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: mason-dixon

“Lets guess that these are 90 year old now... so born in 1932”.

That would make them 80.


26 posted on 09/05/2012 5:42:15 PM PDT by Orange1998
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To: mason-dixon
Lets guess that these are 90 year old now... so born in 1932.

Do a math check. I don't spell check people but I do math check.

27 posted on 09/05/2012 5:44:08 PM PDT by Starstruck (It's all Obama's fault)
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To: SMGFan

I think it’s time these two kids went out and got themselves a job.


28 posted on 09/05/2012 5:48:47 PM PDT by GreenHornet
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To: FewsOrange

From your article 37 union childern still alive. The 2 still getting benefits as some sort of disability payment. Didn’t say if they were disabled or their father. Great article. Thanks. Always nice to have some context.


29 posted on 09/05/2012 5:53:36 PM PDT by hirn_man
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To: Nailbiter

ping


30 posted on 09/05/2012 5:55:57 PM PDT by IncPen (Educating Barack Obama has been the most expensive project in human history)
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To: SMGFan

A friend of mine died in 2009 and his father served in the civil war and was a prisoner of war. A very interesting story.

http://www.jsonline.com/news/obituaries/53518132.html

“He remembered seeing his father put on his undershirt and seeing the minie ball scars and putting his little hands over the holes,” said daughter Monie Upham. William H. Upham Sr. survived days wounded on the battlefield before being taken to a Confederate prisoner-of-war camp. He was later released in a prisoner exchange and brought to the White House by a Wisconsin senator.

“His father met the president, and Lincoln asked to see his scars,” she said. “Lincoln asked about conditions at the prison and how he was treated. He appointed my grandfather to West Point.”

(note: should be father and not grandfather)


31 posted on 09/05/2012 6:07:09 PM PDT by ADSUM
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To: SMGFan

Cryogenic sperm banks in 1863?


32 posted on 09/05/2012 6:07:53 PM PDT by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.......)
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To: svcw

My great grandfather was in the Civil War. While he was alive he received a pension but the minute he died noone got a dime. So!?!?


33 posted on 09/05/2012 6:07:53 PM PDT by sheana
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To: FewsOrange

My Mom was the daughter of a Civil War vet who married a young woman late. But he was on the wrong side. He died in 1918 of spanish flu and left three young daughters and a young widow.


34 posted on 09/05/2012 6:11:14 PM PDT by cajungirl
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To: sheana

It’s a good point.
My Dad was a WWII wounded vet and when he died so did the payments.
So I am not getting this.


35 posted on 09/05/2012 6:13:40 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: SMGFan

A friend of mine died in 2009 and his father served in the civil war and was a prisoner of war. A very interesting story.

http://www.jsonline.com/news/obituaries/53518132.html

“He remembered seeing his father put on his undershirt and seeing the minie ball scars and putting his little hands over the holes,” said daughter Monie Upham. William H. Upham Sr. survived days wounded on the battlefield before being taken to a Confederate prisoner-of-war camp. He was later released in a prisoner exchange and brought to the White House by a Wisconsin senator.

“His father met the president, and Lincoln asked to see his scars,” she said. “Lincoln asked about conditions at the prison and how he was treated. He appointed my grandfather to West Point.”

(note: should be father and not grandfather)


36 posted on 09/05/2012 6:14:16 PM PDT by ADSUM
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To: sheana
I had a great-great-grandfather who served in the Civil War and received a pension. He died in 1904 and his widow received a pension until her death about a year later.

A few years ago I heard a talk by a 97-year-old man whose father had ridden with Nathan Bedford Forrest. I don't know if the man is still alive. Just recently I saw a report that the last person in Georgia who was the actual son of a Confederate veteran had died (as opposed to a member of the "Sons of Confederate Veterans"). I forget how old he was but I think late 70s or early 80s.

37 posted on 09/05/2012 6:21:26 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: SMGFan

She may be right. If war isn’t worth it Barry would be picking cotton now and not just carrying Bill’s and Ted’s bags.


38 posted on 09/05/2012 6:26:13 PM PDT by steveyp
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