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Middle Class Jobs Are Being Replaced By Burger-Flipping, Retail Sales, And Other Lousy McJobs
business Insider ^ | 9/4/2012 | Aaron Task

Posted on 09/06/2012 4:16:43 AM PDT by tobyhill

There's been a lot of talk in recent years about the "hollowing out" of the American middle class.

A new study by the National Employment Law Project (NELP) confirms the troubling trend.

NELP broke down jobs into low/ middle/and high-wage groups based on median incomes. Looking at the period from early 2008 through the first quarter of 2012, the study found: "High-wage" occupations accounted for 19% of the jobs lost during the Great Recession and 20% of the jobs gained during the recovery. "Mid-wage" occupations suffered 60% of job losses during the recession but only 22% of the growth during the recovery. "Low-wage" occupations accounted for 21% of the losses and a whopping 58% of the growth.

In other words, NELP found what many Americans already know: The market for middle class jobs has shrunk and most of the jobs that have been created during the recession are in low-income areas like retail and food services.

"In short, America's good jobs deficit continues," NELP said in a summary of the study. "Policymakers have understandably been focused on the urgent goal of getting U.S. employment back to where it was before the recession…but our findings underscore that job quality is rapidly emerging as a second front in the struggling economy."

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1 posted on 09/06/2012 4:16:47 AM PDT by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill

It’s also the absurd situation where too many jobs require a bachelor’s degree that DONT need one.

Pay tens of thousands of dollars on classes just to obtain a 10/hr position that has nothing to do with any of them.

People, especially people that graduated back when schools didnt suck, and didnt require you to go to college for the basics, cant even apply because they worked their entire adult life!

All thy have left is flipping burgers!


3 posted on 09/06/2012 4:27:13 AM PDT by VanDeKoik
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To: tobyhill

One thing our governement could do to help out this situation is to lower the corporate tax. Very simple fix to keep jobs in this country.


4 posted on 09/06/2012 4:33:00 AM PDT by elephant
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To: VanDeKoik

I hears ya (says the guy who worked his entire life and didn’t go to college). It is possible in most organizations to waive the college requirement when hiring. Unfortunately, most managers are lazy and just circular file all resumes that don’t list a degree. I don’t. We just hired two American HS grads to do database work, because I tested them and they are darned good at it.


5 posted on 09/06/2012 4:38:31 AM PDT by jboot (This isn't your father's America. Stay safe and keep your powder dry.)
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To: tobyhill

There are plenty of McMorons to fill those McJob positions!


6 posted on 09/06/2012 4:40:08 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: tobyhill

Go to work for McDonalds and consider it as going to school. Rather than come up with a bunch of bucks for tuition, Get a job at MD and pay extreme attention to what is taking place. Get paid for your efforts in the process. Set a limit. Go one year or maybe a year and a half. Be dedicated to the task the same as if you were paying thousands of dollars at a college.

The concept involves looking at McDonalds as an industrial microcosm . Mc Donalds is very much like a factory with hundreds of employees except smaller. MD also has a retail arm in addition to the manufacturing arm. To grasp how things are done in the manufacturing and business world, MD is small enough to observe all the operations that can be studied in detail and the study extrapolated to the world. MD is chosen because it is truly a global company and one if not the very best successful business to be studied.
The big question, the goal of the going to MD as school, is to discover in detail what is MD? Why does it exist?
As a study aid, a laptop computer would be beneficial. The computer can be used to keep notes and to make and record lists. Homework is making notes and expanding the lists, making entries into the big list of things learned and things to be explored further

Most McDonalds employees don’t flip burgers, they are in sales. At McDonalds if you apply your self and study what is happening you can develop a good understanding of sales and customer service. The front line, the people on the counter, have an opportunity to meet and greet a wide cross section of customers, of people. The very act of asking” how can I help you” engages the customer in a business transaction. The customers can be observed and then studied in the abstract. Make a list. What kinds of customers, what do they want, what do they need, how does MD meet their wants and needs, what wants and needs are not met, should every want and need be met? da
If you clean up, study the various chemicals and cleaners. Read the MSDS documents and learn a lot about OSHA, chemicals and government regulation. Learn what they do and why they do it. Learn why someone made and effort to obtain each of the specific cleaning products. Understand the process and how it relates to government regulations. Learn why MD wants the task not only performed but the reason for doing it. Learn if there is and external requirement such as a local or federal regulation. Learn about the regulation and why it exists. Learn if MD made the rule and how the rule makes the product better.
Somewhere there are posters. The posters are mandated by the government and outline the various employment laws. The posters are the basis for the interaction of business and government. They might seem overly complex and quite boring but they are a major part of the lesson. Study the posters and develop a total understanding of what they mean. Learn how the government and business interact and why.
Hang out with the manager and study and learn the flow of goods. Learn the basics of purchasing. study the inventory flow and learn how inventory management keeps the company rolling.
A typical Mc Donalds store is a mega industry on a micro scale They obtain raw materials hire labor and manufacture a product to very tight specifications. The process is typical of all manufacturing, only the product, the manufacturing equipment and size are different.

The principles of how raw materials are obtained, moved around, stored, and used apply to all business and manufacturing. A thorough understanding of the various tasks and processes involved will be useful elsewhere. The lessons can be expanded to a basic understanding of product quality and quality control The business and all the jobs there are absolutely dependent on the quality of the product.
Tight specifications, what are the specifications, where did they come from, why have the specifications, how are they met, who enforces the specifications and assures consistent quality? These are all valuable lessons to be learned in the micro factory. The answers can be learned by paying attention and carefully watching what is actually happening throughout the place..
The subject of raw materials is very important area of study. One of the lists or perhaps several of the lists would be of various raw materials or raw material categories. . Just what and how many raw materials is required to keep the place running? A list describing the material, where it comes from and exactly how the material is used can provide extremely valuable insights.

Then there is the matter of human resources. A one year study of the flow of people in and out and retained could result in a master’s degree paper on proper use and abuse of labor resources.
The concept of a crew, a team
Then there is cash. A study of cash management could provide a detailed insight into cash, banking and the importance of plastic payments to a small business.
The MD school you choose might be near home or across town but it is merely one of many. A whole nother different course of study is what happens at and to MD outside the local operation? How does your store relate to a regional and national and global network of stores.

Back to bhe big question. Why does your school exist? Why do we have Md’s. The answer to that question applies to each and every business and manufacturing operation in the country. The answer is to make the owners a profit. Each and every item on all the various lists that will be developed in the school process is there to assure a profit. Proving that statement is the goal of the school and learning the reasons is the way the proof is obtained
It is all there for free. as a matter of fact one can get paid while at this school. All it takes is a proper frame of mind and a desire. Everything there is something to be learned
An interviewer will be blown out of her shoes when the lessons set out and learned are recounted in extreme detail.


7 posted on 09/06/2012 4:41:58 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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To: tobyhill

Sure are lots of old people working at Home Depot, too. I praise them for hiring them. But most of them are underemployed thanks to this economy.


8 posted on 09/06/2012 5:09:24 AM PDT by Terry Mross (2016 THE MOVIE....scarier than any zombie movie.)
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To: bert

Reality does not backup your hypothesis. My son just got out of the Army, which is a lot more demanding that “flipping burger”, and he applied for several jobs which did NOT require a degree. He was turned down because his “competitors” had degrees (not necessarily in the field) even though he had 4 years of real experience. College is being used to identify conformists. Those that conform are easy to manage, those that chose alternate paths to life are too difficult to manage. The current corporate environment does not maintain qualified managers, just accountants posing as managers. This is why the large companies continue to lobby for more H1B Visas for foreign workers, easy to manage.


9 posted on 09/06/2012 5:18:26 AM PDT by vet7279
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To: bert

Good post. I remember back in the 1980’s, the Dems were making the argument that we were losing manufacturing jobs and turning everyone into hamburger flippers. Ah, the more things change......


10 posted on 09/06/2012 5:33:53 AM PDT by Daveinyork
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To: tobyhill

Which is utterly HILARIOUS given the Dems proclaimed such under the Bush 8-year administration.....that they could do better..........! =.=


11 posted on 09/06/2012 5:38:47 AM PDT by cranked
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To: tobyhill

The Free Traitors are pleased. It makes Free traitors angry that ANYTHING is still manufactured in the USA.


12 posted on 09/06/2012 5:56:49 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: vet7279; bert; All
Reality does not backup your hypothesis. My son just got out of the Army, which is a lot more demanding that “flipping burger”, and he applied for several jobs which did NOT require a degree. He was turned down because his “competitors” had degrees (not necessarily in the field) even though he had 4 years of real experience. College is being used to identify conformists. Those that conform are easy to manage, those that chose alternate paths to life are too difficult to manage. The current corporate environment does not maintain qualified managers, just accountants posing as managers. This is why the large companies continue to lobby for more H1B Visas for foreign workers, easy to manage.

vet7279:
Amen! You are describing the reality of today, not the reality of our fathers or grand fathers.

Our economy and jobs situation did not get in such dire straits in only 4 years. Obama is just continuing the policies of the three prior administrations. Since at least the 1990's our economy has been trading middle class jobs for Mc Jobs. Our 'Free Trade' chickens are finally coming home to roost.

For those who blame regulations, large companies have not problems with regulations, they are a great way to suppress competition from small business and start ups.

For those who blame our dumbed-down education system, there are lots of unemployed, and under employed with proven good records of work experience but their job opportunities have been out sourced, and guest-workered into non existence. Nothing like a work force of desperate third worlders!

And now we have hit the point that we don't even create enough jobs for the college screened conformists.

'Globalism' and 'Free Trade' are the ultimate success of Cultural Marxism. In order to speed up the onset of global communism, Marx promoted 'Free Trade', i.e. the free movement of capital and labor over national borders without any consideration of ethics or patriotism. He knew that the dark side of human nature, rapacious greed, would lead companies to chase the cheapest labor and worst work environments over the global until the populace would gladly sign on to anyone promising hope and change.
13 posted on 09/06/2012 6:00:07 AM PDT by khelus
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To: central_va

see post #13


14 posted on 09/06/2012 6:00:58 AM PDT by khelus
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To: tobyhill

Typical of third-world tinhats.

He’s transparent alright - we see right through him.


15 posted on 09/06/2012 6:02:33 AM PDT by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: vet7279
The current corporate environment does not maintain qualified managers, just accountants posing as managers.

Agreed. My former company is an example. Middle and upper management have mostly been made into accountants, no matter what their backgrounds are.

My former job is an example of bad accounting. I had 24 years experience, knew the job as well as or better than my manager (which made him mad, so he jumped on my occaisonal mistake).

He and his manager decided that I cost too much, so they laid me off. They then hired two young women at low salaries, although they were given pay grades that were 2 or 3 levels above mine.

Well, one of the women didn't like the job and quit after 3 weeks, and the other reportedly had an aversion to hard work. After I laughed in my former managers face, I lost interest and don't know what happened.

I have been unable to find a job in my field, so I have retired and will be fleeing Maryland to my sisters place in rural Oregon, where I can buy some guns and be a prepper, just like most of the people in that area.

16 posted on 09/06/2012 6:02:38 AM PDT by jimtorr
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To: bert

The Economist publishes a yearly “Big Mac” index for the very reasons you postulate.


17 posted on 09/06/2012 6:05:33 AM PDT by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: jimtorr

My 30 years in the IT field, after 7+ years in the military, does not get me hired either. Understand your frustration.


18 posted on 09/06/2012 6:10:20 AM PDT by vet7279
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To: khelus

What we have now is fascism without the goose stepping parades....


19 posted on 09/06/2012 6:11:18 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: tobyhill

The middle is being gutted, downgraded to a low paying nonexempt position with impossible expectations for qualifications and experience on the one end, and goldplated up to the executive suite on the other, with three former midlevel jobs with very specific skillsets all rolled into one that pays less than double any one of them, and MBA required.

They want to advertise positions to fill but don’t want to fill them, in other words. Weird, but this does appear to be the case. I’ve been monitoring positions in my field(s) for going on four years now, with an eye to pursuing any that appear to hold promise.

Put it this way, I’m still where I landed after shutting my company down, working for a former customer.


20 posted on 09/06/2012 6:12:38 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: tobyhill

If real estate and rents fell to true third works levels here in the USA then a burger flipper would be middle class. It is all relative to the cost of living.


21 posted on 09/06/2012 6:16:36 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: khelus

This is where the Republicans get a black eye. Corporations have a responsibility to the communities within which they operate. This responsibility includes helping the community continue to grow usually by hiring local people, using local suppliers, etc. It also included “Do no Harm” such as not dumping toxic waste into the water and soil, not hiring criminals (illegals), etc. This single issue may be what costs Romney the election. I am all for business success but it cannot be at the cost of our legislative, legal and social systems to enable stockholders to get an extra .10 per share.


22 posted on 09/06/2012 6:17:14 AM PDT by vet7279
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To: tobyhill

btt


23 posted on 09/06/2012 6:19:54 AM PDT by GailA (IF U will not keep your promises to the Military, U won't keep them to the public)
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To: tobyhill

Ah, the road to serfdom...the Oligarchs are winning.


24 posted on 09/06/2012 6:23:49 AM PDT by A Strict Constructionist (We're an Oligrachy...Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. Thomas Jefferson)
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To: tobyhill
The year was 1982 and I was 19 years old. I was working 3 part-time jobs to put an apartment over my head. Reagan was President and even though it was hard to flip egg mcmuffins in the morning, manage a drugstore in the afternoon shift, and balance the deposits for a toy store in the evening...I had a job(s). The apartment was an efficiency and it took me 2 months to save enough to move from paper plates to dishes and stainless steel utensils. In those Reagan years I worked, traded up into better positions and eventually into better jobs. I took risks with start-up companies and their success was my success too. My hard-work and working smarter...gave way to decent pay.

Now, I am much older and while I lived through the Reagan Recovery...I didn't actually ‘see’ what was happening in the wider economy at the time. I just knew Reagan was good for me. But now older and wiser, it wasn't the old jobs that ‘made the Reagan Recovery’ so great. Heck, it wasn't even initially those middle-class jobs. It was the entrepreneur's jobs and growing their businesses from their computer basements to silicon valley. The other day driving around in my car with my business's magnetic signs ...I noticed a lot of other cars with similar magnetic signs. Every recovery has had an accompanying advance in some form of technology. In 1982 if you would have said nearly every home would have a home computer, cell phone, or wifi...no one would have believed you.

What is different this time? 0bama and his vision. You see, somewhere in this glut of low paying jobs & tiny start-ups, waiting to breakout...is the next recovery. And that is what 0bama and the democrats don't understand about growing an economy. You can't dictate the American economy, you can't dictate the entrepreneur and we can't live in the past of middle-class jobs. As the 0bama administration continues to try and dictate what the new middle-class jobs should be...it is the inflation that is hollowing out the finances of the middle-class.

25 posted on 09/06/2012 6:31:18 AM PDT by EBH (Courage, Trust, Sacred Honor, Truth, Freedom)
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To: jboot
I hears ya (says the guy who worked his entire life and didn’t go to college). It is possible in most organizations to waive the college requirement when hiring. Unfortunately, most managers are lazy and just circular file all resumes that don’t list a degree. I don’t. We just hired two American HS grads to do database work, because I tested them and they are darned good at it.

The reason that many companies require a degree is because, as I understand it (big qualification here), they cannot administer written tests--read "IQ"--because of the Supreme Court's decision in 1971, "Griggs v. Duke Power." Look it up.

Because they cannot do this, they use a sheepskin as a proxy because it is generally accepted (though, I suspect, not by you) that a college graduate has a certain degree of intelligence.

26 posted on 09/06/2012 6:33:02 AM PDT by OldPossum
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To: tobyhill

My wife and I had dinner Labor Day evening at Logan’s Roadhouse, a national chain restaurant.

Our server/waiter was a huge guy, muscled and very tan.

I remarked to him that he didn’t look like a waiter, and asked did he body build.

He said, “No, I’m actually a construction contractor. I had my own business, stucco, roofing, siding, that kind of stuff. I had 10 employees, but now, for the last four years business has gone down to the point that this is all I can do just to pay my bills.”


27 posted on 09/06/2012 6:36:30 AM PDT by Red Badger (Anyone who thinks wisdom comes with age is either too young or too stupid to know the difference....)
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To: OldPossum

And these people in their 50s and up (twice my age) in management believe that a degree is equal to intelligence?

LOL!

I’d verbally beat them down into primordial ooze.


28 posted on 09/06/2012 6:37:12 AM PDT by wastedyears (The First Law of Heavy Metal: Not all metal is satanic.)
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To: OldPossum

Hiring “managers” hire people like themselves. If the hiring manager went to college, the ANYONE he hires will have gone to college so trade school and school of hard knocks or military do not count. A college degree does not require Intelligence, it requires money, time and a little effort.


29 posted on 09/06/2012 6:40:39 AM PDT by vet7279
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To: vet7279; bert
Actually it can reflect reality if one knows where they are looking. Every recession returns to America an advance in lifestyle be it the car or the computer...neither came from the college.

Borrowing from an old concept, what will America's “New Economy,” be this time?

0bama’s dictated alternative energy economy?

Romney's unleashing of the entrepreneur?

Or neither, but continued languishing because our leaders don't know how to let the recovery happen?

30 posted on 09/06/2012 6:42:02 AM PDT by EBH (Courage, Trust, Sacred Honor, Truth, Freedom)
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To: Red Badger
Last week we ordered pizza in. The delivery 'boy' was the 55 year old guy from four houses down. The economy destroyed his business and he delivers to pay his mortgage.

Estimated value of his house - $750k. Cars in his driveway - 2010 Murano & 2009 Avalon. Decidedly middle-class.

31 posted on 09/06/2012 6:42:06 AM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: vet7279
A college degree does not require Intelligence, it requires money, time and a little effort.

If you say so. And I'll bet you don't have one because you're surely not speaking from experience. A couple clues are your deficiency in written English (you don't know that "intelligence" is not a proper noun, it's a common noun and should not be capitalized) and anyone who has been to college knows that it takes a lot of effort.

32 posted on 09/06/2012 6:58:12 AM PDT by OldPossum
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To: wastedyears

A little jealousy there, fella?


33 posted on 09/06/2012 7:00:05 AM PDT by OldPossum
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To: OldPossum
I make no statement one way or the other about the intelligence of college graduates, other than to say that assuming that they are more intelligent than non-graduates is foolish. Intelligence is not the prime criteria in hiring: skill and flexibility are far more important.

We administer skill tests. Candidates are placed in a sandbox environment and give them a slate of tasks that are ordinary and customary for the job they have applied for. If they can't perform them, they are rejected regardless of eductional acheivement. I've rejected guys with doctorates because they can't write simple queries. They weren't stupid. They just didn't have the right skillset. Our organization is currently understaffed and we don't have the bandwidth for OJT. We need skilled workers, and I don't care if they are HS grads or college grads.

34 posted on 09/06/2012 7:04:08 AM PDT by jboot (This isn't your father's America. Stay safe and keep your powder dry.)
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To: OldPossum

All I have to say is look at where our politicians go for schooling, and subsequently what they do to the economy.

Jealous at people that go to college? Hardly. I could run this country better.

Besides, I wouldn’t let a girl drown inside a car that had crashed into a little river, unlike one of the Democrat’s heroes.

What is a college degree worth anyway? You think I want to suffer through attempted indoctrination? I’d end up failing because I wouldn’t tow the line. To top it all off, I have an endocrine disease which would make college a waste of money anyway, because my brain can’t absorb things that way.

It’s primary hyperparathyroid disease. A lot of people feel that if it’s something they haven’t heard of, it either doesn’t exist, or the person is making up the symptoms. Look it up, parathyroid.com. I failed most of high school because of it.

To end it, college can’t make me any more intelligent than I already am. I have Free Republic to thank for my level of intelligence and critical thinking. College would say I’m certified in something.


35 posted on 09/06/2012 7:11:30 AM PDT by wastedyears (The First Law of Heavy Metal: Not all metal is satanic.)
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To: bert

The bottom line is, like it or not, we are now all entrepreneurs, it is getting more difficult to rely on others to give us work, you are going to have to seek out work yourself.


36 posted on 09/06/2012 7:15:41 AM PDT by dfwgator (I'm voting for Ryan and that other guy.)
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To: vet7279
Corporations have a responsibility to the communities within which they operate.

Here's the problem, nowadays Capital is global, it may be Chinese that hold a good portion of equity, there are no borders in the corporate world, there is no national loyalty. That's the nature of the beast.

37 posted on 09/06/2012 7:18:00 AM PDT by dfwgator (I'm voting for Ryan and that other guy.)
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To: jboot

Care to elaborate? From here on out I’ll be back on at around 6pm EST, because I have to go to my part-time job where I can’t access the internet, because that’s the best I can get right now in this oh-so-wonderful economy (sarcasm, obviously).

I hope you’ll reply. I need to 1), get out of NY, and 2), get something better to improve my personal situation.


38 posted on 09/06/2012 7:19:20 AM PDT by wastedyears (The First Law of Heavy Metal: Not all metal is satanic.)
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To: OldPossum

That is really amusing. Let me share with you what is hard. Walking up the Hindu Kush mountains with 40 lbs of body armor and 80+lbs of gear in 90 degree temp knowing that any moment you may come under fire. How about being able to orient an artillery piece, load, and compute the trajectory to hit a target 30 or 40 miles away in minutes. How about servicing a military fighter with munitions of several types, repairing aircraft electrical systems. Being able to provide FULL battlefield medical treatment for any type of wounds for a fallen warrior. All of this being done by 18/19 year olds with typically less than a year of training. College is a cake walk. You can take the elitist position and pick on a typo if you wish but that still does not take away from the content of my position.


39 posted on 09/06/2012 7:26:03 AM PDT by vet7279
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To: OldPossum

The only professional jealousy that I’ve personally encountered occurred a few jobs back when a fellow with multiple degrees somehow discovered that I was earning more than he was. Never mind that I was in a different position with a differnet wage scale and significantly greater responsibility. He would not rest until either my wages were cut or his were increased. He eventually succeeded in having salary and retention criteria changed to heavily favor degreed individuals. That policy amounted to a career ceiling and it cost the company a lot of good people.


40 posted on 09/06/2012 7:28:09 AM PDT by jboot (This isn't your father's America. Stay safe and keep your powder dry.)
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To: jimtorr

Your story is a perfect example of how the US now tosses aside its most valuable resource - our human capital. We are mo longer a meritocracy. Your value to society is based upon where you fall in the ‘disadvantaged spectrum’.


41 posted on 09/06/2012 7:42:19 AM PDT by khelus
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To: wastedyears

Check your PM.


42 posted on 09/06/2012 7:44:31 AM PDT by jboot (This isn't your father's America. Stay safe and keep your powder dry.)
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To: central_va
What we have now is fascism without the goose stepping parades....

So true. This time around they decided to be more subtle about it. That was the goal of Cultural Marxism.
43 posted on 09/06/2012 7:44:49 AM PDT by khelus
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To: vet7279

Yep. The Republican party has long abandoned free enterprise for crony capitalism.


44 posted on 09/06/2012 7:47:29 AM PDT by khelus
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To: khelus

Speaking cnservatively, that policy cost us two managers, three testers (with 30 years of combined experience on the contract) and one tech. All of them were excellent workers. The last I heard, that contract was finally lost and the highly educated residue of staff that remained were all cut. This one policy was not by itself responsible for the loss-I could write a book about the stupidities I saw-but it created a leadership vaccuum that was filled by ivory tower academics who cared more about receiving industry accreditation than keeping the contract.


45 posted on 09/06/2012 7:56:41 AM PDT by jboot (This isn't your father's America. Stay safe and keep your powder dry.)
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To: vet7279
"Corporations have a responsibility to the communities within which they operate."

Bull. Pure Bull.

You've been watching too much of the DNC.

The Kenyan must go.

46 posted on 09/06/2012 10:12:39 AM PDT by ex91B10 (We've tried the Soap Box,the Ballot Box and the Jury Box; ONE BOX LEFT!)
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To: ex91B10

So, your ok with a corporation taking the tax breaks from the state, dumping what ever they want into the ground, donate to politicians to legislate in their favor and import foreign workers to avoid paying payroll taxes? I see, then my friend, you are part of the problem!


47 posted on 09/06/2012 10:26:30 AM PDT by vet7279
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Re: your post 39, so you don’t have a college degree and are sensitive as hell about it.

I do admire what you did during your military service. The stuff you did seems very impressive and I suspect few could have done the same. OTOH, because of your sensitivity about lacking a degree (and there’s no reason to be upset about it), you seem damned determined to denigrate the college experience in spite of never having experienced it yourself.

P.S. How could it be a typo since you had to have stopped and make a shift on the keyboard to capitalize the “i”?

I just hopped on that to make a point. You do have fine writing skills, much better than some of the stuff I saw in college.


48 posted on 09/06/2012 11:04:50 AM PDT by OldPossum
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To: vet7279

WOW...you hit the nail on the head.


49 posted on 09/06/2012 11:44:36 AM PDT by left that other site (Worry is the Darkroom that Develops Negatives.)
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To: central_va

Free Traitors


Love it. Is that your own?


50 posted on 09/06/2012 11:48:14 AM PDT by Leep (I'm a Chic-Fil-- A-merican)
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