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Scalia Flummoxed About Natural Born Citizenship (Mr. Constitution claims he doesn't know)
World Net Daily ^ | 8/31/12 | Larry KIayman

Posted on 09/06/2012 12:35:47 PM PDT by kreitzer

The Constitution is as clear as the nose on your face. According to Article II, Section 1, to be eligible to be president or vice president of the United States one must be a “natural born citizen.” That means born in the United States to two American citizen parents. The framers, concerned about destructive foreign influences at a time of the founding of the nation, were wary that the foreign biases of parents could tragically influence the country’s leadership, especially during its formative years. Being largely from England themselves, with British parents, the framers also knew and lived among Tories who did not want to see a new nation arise, but who, comfortable in their noble status and wealth under the British Crown, desired to continue to be ruled by King George III. They did their best to prevent the signing of the Declaration of Independence in 1776, and sought to undermine and subvert the ensuing Revolutionary War effort. Later, not willing to give up, British of their ilk attempted to retake control of the “colonies” and invaded Washington, D.C., in 1812, only to burn down the White House, among other dastardly deeds.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: nbc; scalia
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1 posted on 09/06/2012 12:35:52 PM PDT by kreitzer
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To: kreitzer

I think this was posted several days ago.


2 posted on 09/06/2012 12:40:19 PM PDT by patriotsblood
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To: patriotsblood

Natural born citizen just means an American citizen at birth.


3 posted on 09/06/2012 12:41:50 PM PDT by StevenFlorida
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To: kreitzer

It is clear that we must have our Supreme Court justices pontificating on volatile political matters. What can possibly go wrong?


4 posted on 09/06/2012 12:43:03 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: kreitzer

Scalia is probably reluctant to answer a question that may yet come before the court and one which he hasn’t researched.

Therefore his “I don’t know” may be legit. However, the rest of his response indicates that’s he is leaning toward natural born being the same as native born.

And therefore I conclude that he is somehow unaware of or disagrees with the main argument in the eligibility controversy.


5 posted on 09/06/2012 12:44:57 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: kreitzer
That means born in the United States to two American citizen parents.

So putting aside whether or not Obamma was born in the United States, based on this statement alone, he does not quality to be president, since his dad was not an American citizen.

6 posted on 09/06/2012 12:46:20 PM PDT by rawhide
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To: kreitzer
Klayman is merging the voices in his head with old Perry Mason/Hamilton Burger dialog.
7 posted on 09/06/2012 12:49:20 PM PDT by Tex-Con-Man (T. Coddington Van Voorhees VII 2012 - "Together, I Shall Ride You To Victory")
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To: kreitzer

That means born in the United States to two American citizen parents.
_________________________________________

At the time of the writing of the Constitution, I had ancestors who fit this requirement...

Not NBC myself, I still am a “birther” because of my family members...

and because it not only makes sense...

Its the right thing to do...


8 posted on 09/06/2012 12:55:13 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: kreitzer
According to Article II, Section 1, to be eligible to be president or vice president of the United States one must be a “natural born citizen.” That means born in the United States to two American citizen parents.

Nonsense. A "natural born citizen" is a citizen who was born a citizen, as opposed to one who was naturalized after birth.

9 posted on 09/06/2012 12:55:41 PM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: kreitzer
“natural born citizen.” That means born in the United States to two American citizen parents.

It does?

10 posted on 09/06/2012 12:56:26 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: StevenFlorida

“Natural born citizen just means an American citizen at birth.”

Huh? Please explain.


11 posted on 09/06/2012 12:57:08 PM PDT by READINABLUESTATE ("We must hang together, gentlemen...else, we shall most assuredly hang separately." - Franklin)
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To: StevenFlorida
Natural born citizen just means an American citizen at birth.

That's not how I understand it. Please cite your source. Thanks.

Oh, and welcome to FR.

12 posted on 09/06/2012 1:02:45 PM PDT by Wingy (Don't blame me. I voted for the chick. I hope to do so again.)
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To: StevenFlorida

wrong.

do a bit of homework before spouting off when you know nothing about the subject matter. your feelings on the subject are insufficient


13 posted on 09/06/2012 1:03:02 PM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: kreitzer
The Constitution says, "No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President."

All the Tories people seem to be worried about (citizens of British parents, etc.) were eligible to become President. Several of the Signers of the Constitution were even foreign born and were eligible to become President at the adoption of the Constitution. If King George had a son who was a U.S. citizen at the time would be eligible to become president for pete's sake!

So what is the confusion? The framers would have been more suspicious of those living at the time to not have America's best interests at heart if they were born in England, yet became U.S. citizens, so WHY SHOULD THEY WORRY ABOUT FUTURE GENERATIONS?

Anyone with common sense (and no agenda) can plainly see that natural born means born of the soil (English law). The only time citizen parents is required is if their baby was born in a foreign land, the child took on the citizenship of the parent.

This is SO EASY! There are natural citizens and naturalized citizens. END OF STORY.

There are FReepers who believe otherwise but they are very misguided.

14 posted on 09/06/2012 1:04:00 PM PDT by New Jersey Realist (America: home of the free because of the brave)
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To: patriotsblood

Even if this was posted several days ago I am glad it was posted again. Most of us don’t wire ourselves to this site 24/7 and we tend to miss a few items and are grateful for the repeat.

So what point are you making?


15 posted on 09/06/2012 1:06:55 PM PDT by New Jersey Realist (America: home of the free because of the brave)
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To: Lurking Libertarian

accrding to you, any anchor baby could be president.

and this is simply not the case. at all.


16 posted on 09/06/2012 1:07:11 PM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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"Therefore every person born within the United States, its territories or districts, whether the parents are citizens or aliens, is a natural-born citizen within the sense of the Constitution, and entitled to all the rights and privileges appertaining to that capacity."-- William Rawle, A View of the Constitution of the United States (1825)
17 posted on 09/06/2012 1:08:42 PM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: StevenFlorida

I’m afraid it doesn’t.


18 posted on 09/06/2012 1:09:23 PM PDT by Forty-Niner (The barely bare berry bear formerly known as Ursus Arctos Horribilis.)
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To: StevenFlorida
Natural born citizen just means an American citizen at birth.

No it doesn't. Aldo Mario Bellei was a citizen at birth. The Supreme court took away his citizenship because he did not meet the residency requirements. Natural born citizens do not have any residency requirements. Rogers was a citizen at birth by congressional statute. A natural citizen does not require any statute or any amendment to be a citizen, they are a citizen by nature.

19 posted on 09/06/2012 1:09:33 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp
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To: sten
and this is simply not the case. at all.

According to whom?

20 posted on 09/06/2012 1:10:28 PM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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