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Intel Committee Chair Describes Explosive Confrontation Between Netanyahu and American Ambassador
The Atlantic ^ | September 6 2012 | Jeffrey Goldberg

Posted on 09/06/2012 1:34:29 PM PDT by SE Mom

Rogers told a Michigan radio interviewer earlier this week that he had not previously witnessed such a high-level confrontation, and he described Israeli leaders as being at "wits' end" over what they see as President Obama's unwillingness to provide them with his "red lines" in the effort to stop Iran's nuclear program. He also said that neither the Israelis nor the Iranians believe that Obama would use force to stop the nuclear program. (UPDATE: Rogers said as well he believes the Israelis will "probably" bomb Iran if they don't get clearer red lines from the U.S.)

Rogers description of the meeting directly contradicts repeated Administration assertions that there is "no daylight" on the Iran issue with the Israeli government. Shortly after the meeting took place, Israeli press reports appeared suggesting that Netanyahu and Shapiro had engaged in an argument, but Shapiro soon dismissed those reports, calling them "silly" and saying, "The published account of that meeting did not reflect what actually occurred in the meeting. The conversations were entirely friendly and professional."

Rogers, speaking to WJR radio host Frank Beckmann, painted a very different picture. He said the meeting, originally scheduled to be a discussion of intelligence and technical issues between himself and the prime minister, spun out of control when Netanyahu began lambasting Shapiro over the Administration's Iran policy. When Beckmann asked Rogers to describe the tenor of the meeting, he said: "Very tense. Some very sharp... exchanges and it was very, very clear the Israelis had lost their patience with the (Obama) Administration." He went on, "There was no doubt. You could not walk out of that meeting and think that they had not lost their patience with this Administration."

(Excerpt) Read more at theatlantic.com ...


TOPICS: Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: iranisrael; netanyahu; nucleariran; usbetraysisrael
This is a long but informative piece- and further it affirms the kind of thinking that passes for intelligence in the White House discussed in Bob Woodward's new book- no one is in charge and no one knows what's going on.
1 posted on 09/06/2012 1:34:32 PM PDT by SE Mom
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To: sf4dubya; SJackson; STARWISE; holdonnow; penelopesire

Must reading.


2 posted on 09/06/2012 1:35:48 PM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: SE Mom

B U M P

Obama hates Israel and would aid Iran if he could do it covertly. By doing nothing, he is aiding Iran anyway.


3 posted on 09/06/2012 1:39:20 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: SE Mom

I am guessing 0bama didn’t give him Netanyahu the little speech about how he’ll be able to be so much more flexible in his second term.


4 posted on 09/06/2012 1:40:13 PM PDT by NEMDF
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To: SE Mom; All

5 posted on 09/06/2012 1:43:05 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: SE Mom

Thanks for ping!

One of the DNC speakers this week tried to hammer home a point that was basically “we want Obama in charge if there is a major crisis.”

This right here is proof we do not.


6 posted on 09/06/2012 1:44:49 PM PDT by sf4dubya (I rebelled against my parents by becoming a conservative. REJECT THEN STOP SOCIALISM THIS NOV!)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

This is a NIGHTMARE for Israel.


7 posted on 09/06/2012 1:45:58 PM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: SE Mom

“This is a long but informative piece- and further it affirms the kind of thinking that passes for intelligence in the White House discussed in Bob Woodward’s new book- no one is in charge and no one knows what’s going on.”

Because unless Valerie Jarret has signed on, or Obama gets her to sign on, there is no official WH position.


8 posted on 09/06/2012 1:46:26 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: SE Mom

Just trying out my new tagline. I think it applies here.


9 posted on 09/06/2012 1:49:12 PM PDT by Focault's Pendulum (Obama A man without a mission.)
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To: SE Mom

Not just for Israel. For the world.


10 posted on 09/06/2012 1:50:10 PM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills and bo stinks)
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To: Focault's Pendulum

Fixed it.


11 posted on 09/06/2012 1:50:15 PM PDT by Focault's Pendulum (Obama A man without an American mission.)
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To: Focault's Pendulum

I think you’re on to something there!


12 posted on 09/06/2012 1:50:52 PM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: Focault's Pendulum

Obama has a mission. To tear down America and everything we stand for.


13 posted on 09/06/2012 1:51:08 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: SE Mom
Thanks for posting.

What a mess and Israel will suffer for the lack of us having a leader. Can't believe Prime Minister Netanyahu hasn't lambasted Obama publicly.

14 posted on 09/06/2012 1:51:08 PM PDT by jazusamo ("Intellect is not wisdom" -- Thomas Sowell)
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To: SE Mom
The Obama Administration wants Israel to 'wait' until it's too late... then die quietly. Netanyahu has to call Obama on this horror. Netanyahu's trying to save Israel.

Iranians are concerned their time is up if Romney's elected - they have a time limit too.

Prayers for Israel - prayers for Netanyahu....

15 posted on 09/06/2012 1:52:10 PM PDT by GOPJ (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading - T. Jefferson)
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To: SE Mom
The Obama Administration wants Israel to 'wait' until it's too late... then die quietly. Netanyahu has to call Obama on this horror. Netanyahu's trying to save Israel. Obama's trying to keep his hands tied.

Iranians are concerned their time is up if Romney's elected - they have a time limit too.

Prayers for Israel - prayers for Netanyahu....

16 posted on 09/06/2012 1:52:41 PM PDT by GOPJ (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading - T. Jefferson)
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To: SE Mom

Thank you for the ping. A definite must read. I feel like the whole world is spinning out of control and our POTUS just can’t be bothered. It is either that kind of naked incompetence with Obama or something much more dark and sinister. I think it is the later sadly.


17 posted on 09/06/2012 1:53:26 PM PDT by penelopesire (TIME FOR A SPECIAL PROSECUTOR!)
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To: SE Mom
Obama is playing Israel for a sucker, intentionally.

If they don't strike “while the iron is hot” they will jeopardize their security in the Immediate and Long Term.

And by Obama not painting for them any of his “red lines” and if they do strike anyway, Obama will use it as an excuse to diminish U.S.Israeli LONG TERM security agreements - they'll take the “Muslim” heat on their own and Obama will then leave them on their own. This is not accidental on the part of some “amateur”.

18 posted on 09/06/2012 1:57:19 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: driftdiver

I fixed it in #11.


19 posted on 09/06/2012 1:57:31 PM PDT by Focault's Pendulum (Obama A man without an American mission.)
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To: jazusamo

” Can’t believe Prime Minister Netanyahu hasn’t lambasted Obama publicly. “

He should. Maybe he could sway som of the 80% American Jews away from Obama.


20 posted on 09/06/2012 2:01:00 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker
He should. Maybe he could sway som of the 80% American Jews away from Obama.

Those American Jews hate Bibi even more than they do Republicans.

21 posted on 09/06/2012 2:01:55 PM PDT by dfwgator (I'm voting for Ryan and that other guy.)
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To: Wuli

” And by Obama not painting for them any of his “red lines” and if they do strike anyway, Obama will use it as an excuse to diminish U.S.Israeli LONG TERM security agreements - they’ll take the “Muslim” heat on their own and Obama will then leave them on their own. This is not accidental on the part of some “amateur”. “

Iran is also aware of this, and will act accordingly.


22 posted on 09/06/2012 2:02:25 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: SE Mom

Puts a special twist on the “surprise” removal of mention of Jerusalem as the capital of Israel in the DNC platform.


23 posted on 09/06/2012 2:11:44 PM PDT by mojito
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To: dfwgator

I wouldn’t be surprised.


24 posted on 09/06/2012 2:12:18 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: Focault's Pendulum

“An American mission without a man” would be my adjustment....

(I won’t charge you a T-shirt for that free advice)


25 posted on 09/06/2012 2:24:40 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker
Agreed, he should. I don't see how it could hurt, Obama’s made clear his intentions that he's not about to stand with Israel.
26 posted on 09/06/2012 2:26:08 PM PDT by jazusamo ("Intellect is not wisdom" -- Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo

I would strike now, right after the world learned that Obama struck God & Israel from the platform.


27 posted on 09/06/2012 2:29:21 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: GOPJ

What are the intelligent guesses as to Israel’s “Iran, Drop Dead” date? I read somewhere it had to be after the “summer”.


28 posted on 09/06/2012 2:29:21 PM PDT by Gadsden1st
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Oh after watching the dims last night, I think he would aid Iran openly if he gets a second term. He and his ilk hate Israel.


29 posted on 09/06/2012 2:29:47 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: SE Mom

Zero is a nightmare for Israel, as he is for the American people.


30 posted on 09/06/2012 2:32:02 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: mojito

Bingo.

I was listening to The Five on Fox a few minutes ago- Dan Perino made the point that this WILL all come out- what the language was, when it was put in etc. This can’t be kept under wraps for too long.


31 posted on 09/06/2012 2:44:21 PM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: Gadsden1st

If it’s based on times of no moon the possible dates are 9/15, 9/16, 10/14, 10/15, 11/13, & 11/14.to fit the Israelis’ estimate of Iran’s progress. If they can hold off in order to not hand the election to Obama, then the Nov. dates are the latest.


32 posted on 09/06/2012 2:52:57 PM PDT by meatloaf (Support Senate S 1863 & House Bill 1380 to eliminate oil slavery.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker
” Can’t believe Prime Minister Netanyahu hasn’t lambasted Obama publicly. “ He should. Maybe he could sway som of the 80% American Jews away from Obama.

There is such a thing as an anti-Semitic Jew. The Nazis used them very effectively.

33 posted on 09/06/2012 3:01:21 PM PDT by fso301
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To: Nifster

” I think he would aid Iran openly if he gets a second term....”

A second term, and Israel might look good to ME : )


34 posted on 09/06/2012 3:04:40 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; Lent; GregB; ..
Middle East and terrorism, occasional political and Jewish issues Ping List. High Volume

If you’d like to be on or off, please FR mail me.

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35 posted on 09/06/2012 3:08:19 PM PDT by SJackson (I used to eat a lot of natural foods until I learned that most people people die of natural causes)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

somewhere around Edom I would think....


36 posted on 09/06/2012 3:21:06 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: Cyber Liberty
(I won’t charge you a T-shirt for that free advice)

Your shirts are almost done. Had to pick the cotton. Weave it. Freaking hard job! I got blisters!

37 posted on 09/06/2012 3:41:20 PM PDT by Focault's Pendulum (Obama A man without an American mission.)
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To: fso301

My ex father in law is a retired math prof, the Jewish son of a Chicago Communist, murdered by hatchet to the head for his politics. The dad was at least an acquaitance of Saul Alinski in the 30’s. Indeed, many such Jews are/were agnostic, but at least some of the families have some wistful attachment to Israel via the kibbutzim. Thus, the Communist loyalty is the primary characteristic, making for a consistent problem now as it was in WWII.

HF


38 posted on 09/06/2012 3:54:51 PM PDT by holden
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To: SE Mom

Great article!

Obama and the socialists are in bed with the islamists, just as they were in the 1940s.

Throwing Obama out now will help, but it will only postpone the inevitable confrontation.


39 posted on 09/06/2012 4:01:27 PM PDT by Erik Latranyi (When religions have to beg the gov't for a waiver, we are already under socialism.)
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To: Wuli
“This is a long but informative piece- and further it affirms the kind of thinking that passes for intelligence in the White House discussed in Bob Woodward’s new book- no one is in charge and no one knows what’s going on.”

For evidence of this see the DNC train wreck.

40 posted on 09/06/2012 4:08:57 PM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Bumper sticker suggestion:

Vote for the Mormon, not the Muslim!


41 posted on 09/06/2012 4:18:31 PM PDT by momf (Gun, mind, power shouldn't be followed by "control"!)
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To: momf

I like it.


42 posted on 09/06/2012 4:26:37 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: SE Mom

Obama wants to see the US taken down - in an anticolonial retribution and to set the stage for a communist take over.


43 posted on 09/06/2012 7:15:04 PM PDT by Domestic Church (AMDG ... there is no such thing as coincidence)
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To: musicman

Did you create that memorable image with “Mister Netanyahu....”? If not, what is the source?


44 posted on 09/06/2012 8:34:04 PM PDT by Seeing More Clearly Now (Obama speaks with forked tongue)
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To: musicman
Wow, that is a frighteningly accurate, perhaps prophetic political cartoon (?) critique.

All of the signs for Christ's return are in place. I can't think of a single element that is missing before the seals can begin to be opened...

45 posted on 09/07/2012 9:32:34 AM PDT by uncommonsense (Conservatives believe what they see; Liberals see what they believe.)
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To: uncommonsense

It’s getting close!


47 posted on 09/07/2012 10:06:37 AM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: Seeing More Clearly Now

It’s “borrowed”. The person left his mark in the lower right hand corner.


48 posted on 09/07/2012 10:08:54 AM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: SE Mom
One of my favorite reader comment from the article:

"Debating with a Liberal is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon just knocks over the pieces, craps on the board, and struts around like its victorious."

49 posted on 09/07/2012 10:53:22 AM PDT by uncommonsense (Conservatives believe what they see; Liberals see what they believe.)
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