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Staggering Number of Bones of Extinct Ice Age Animals Found in Mexico
International Business Times ^ | September 4, 2012 | Sanskrity Sinha

Posted on 09/06/2012 8:24:18 PM PDT by ForGod'sSake

Apparently, archaeologists have also found a few human skeletal remains at the excavation site

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September 4, 2012 11:10 AM GMT

More than hundred bones of animals, now extinct, that thrived over 10,000 years ago (the late Pleistocene period), have been discovered in the state of Hidalgo, in central-eastern Mexico.

Remains of megafauna that lived more than 10,000 years ago in what is now the Valley of Mexico. (Photo: INAH)
Remains of megafauna that lived more than 10,000 years ago in what is now the Valley of Mexico. (Photo: INAH)

The discovery was made at a construction site of a wastewater treatment plant near the river El Salto in the city of Atotonilco de Tula, archaeologists at the National Institute of Anthropology and History (INAH), announced in a statement.

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The remains include bones of several extinct animals including mastodons and mammoths among others, which were found scattered at different distances within an area of approximately 100 hectares, and as deep as 10 metres.

“The skeletal remains of extinct animals, some of which measure up to 1.60 m, corresponding to ribs, vertebrae, skulls, jaws, defences (fangs), horns and shells, of species such as glyptodont, mastodon, mammoth, camel, horse, deer, bison and possibly other as yet unidentified,” INAH archaeologists said, adding that it took about five months of excavation work to dig out all the remains.

Though remains of mammoths have been found in the past as well, archaeologists are dubbing it as the biggest discovery of the Ice Age’s large-bodied animal remains ever made in the region.

“This is the most numerous and varied discovery of remains of extinct megafauna, found together, registered so far in the Basin of Mexico” INAH archaeologist Alicia Bonfil Olivera said.

Human Bones

Apparently, archaeologists have also found a few human skeletal remains at the excavation site but scientific investigation for confirmation is yet to be done. However, two stone tools found in the excavation suggest that the bones may be of a human.

“The characteristics and size of some bones indicate that it is human limbs, which is not surprising because it is known that man lived in central Mexico at that time.”

The sediments and sand layer in which the faunal remains were found further indicate that the animals and possibly humans probably were trapped in landslides and got buried in the debris.



TOPICS: Mexico; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: archeology; catastrophism; extinction; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; mexico
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Out of several articles on this find I chose this one because it had the glitziest headline and because the author added his/her own editorial in the last sentence I thought was, well, comical...
1 posted on 09/06/2012 8:24:23 PM PDT by ForGod'sSake
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To: SunkenCiv

Landslide ~ping~


2 posted on 09/06/2012 8:25:10 PM PDT by ForGod'sSake (You have only two choices: SUBMIT or RESIST with everything you've got!!!)
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To: ForGod'sSake

Or a really big flood.


3 posted on 09/06/2012 8:29:51 PM PDT by doc1019 (Given my choices, I will not be voting this time around.)
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To: doc1019

Yep. Or perchance a REALLY big wave.


4 posted on 09/06/2012 8:39:52 PM PDT by ForGod'sSake (You have only two choices: SUBMIT or RESIST with everything you've got!!!)
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To: ForGod'sSake

Gentle, one with nature, Native Americans butchered the
mega-fauna of the Americas into extinction as they moved south.


5 posted on 09/06/2012 8:40:26 PM PDT by FormerACLUmember
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To: doc1019

Amen


6 posted on 09/06/2012 8:43:44 PM PDT by SAR (Son of THE Revolution.)
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To: 75thOVI; agrace; aimhigh; Alice in Wonderland; AndrewC; aragorn; aristotleman; Avoiding_Sulla; ...
Thanks ForGod'sSake.



7 posted on 09/06/2012 8:45:04 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: ForGod'sSake; gleeaikin; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; decimon; 1010RD; 21twelve; ...

 GGG managers are SunkenCiv, StayAt HomeMother & Ernest_at_the_Beach
Thanks ForGod'sSake. Nice job, this is a two-list ping topic.

Now I've got some more reading to do, see if this is a death assemblage, i.e. was all laid down at once.

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.


8 posted on 09/06/2012 8:45:19 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: doc1019

Could be a really big flood. Really big floods occur around the world with regularity, and Hidalgo is certainly a place where hurricanes (and ensuing really big floods) have caused significant damage and deaths in the past. Of course we know this isn’t evidence of Noah’s flood; since he gathered two of every animal, we’d still have mammoths, mastodons, and armadillos the size of cars still wandering around.


9 posted on 09/06/2012 8:47:34 PM PDT by stormer
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To: ForGod'sSake

Very likely a mass kill off from a lahar (volcanic mudslide). The Basin of Mexico (Mexico City is built over an unstable lake bed) is surrounded by volcanoes.


10 posted on 09/06/2012 8:48:13 PM PDT by katana (Just my opinions)
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To: FormerACLUmember

11 posted on 09/06/2012 8:49:20 PM PDT by stormer
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To: ForGod'sSake

Or a really big meteor.


12 posted on 09/06/2012 8:49:51 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: FormerACLUmember
Gentle, one with nature, Native Americans butchered the mega-fauna of the Americas into extinction as they moved south.

Yeah, and chased 'em all the way down to Florida where they cornered them on the peninsula -- from SOME accounts as recently as three to four thousand years ago. Not sure how reliable those accounts may be since the megafauna in North America were presumably wiped out at the end Pleistocene. Me, I dunno...

13 posted on 09/06/2012 8:51:43 PM PDT by ForGod'sSake (You have only two choices: SUBMIT or RESIST with everything you've got!!!)
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To: stormer

Believe what you will, I will be very happy in my G_d fearing ignorance. And I believe that G_d will bless me for it.


14 posted on 09/06/2012 8:53:41 PM PDT by doc1019 (Given my choices, I will not be voting this time around.)
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To: katana
Very likely a mass kill off from a lahar (volcanic mudslide).

Another possibility. Myself, I'm inclined to believe they met their fate the same way most of the other extinct megafauna did in northern and western hemispheres. Fact is, there have been indications from other parts of the world where tsunami type detritus was mingled with volcanic ash, mangled trees and the like -- along with sand and gravel -- from somewhere.

The end of the Pleistocene was not a pretty picture. Our most recent and probably least studied extinction event on the planet. Too close for comfort maybe.

15 posted on 09/06/2012 9:02:03 PM PDT by ForGod'sSake (You have only two choices: SUBMIT or RESIST with everything you've got!!!)
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To: tet68
Or a really big meteor.

Or several even???

16 posted on 09/06/2012 9:08:19 PM PDT by ForGod'sSake (You have only two choices: SUBMIT or RESIST with everything you've got!!!)
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To: ForGod'sSake
Staggering Number of Bones of Extinct Ice Age Animals Found in Mexico

They'll probably find a way to snort them or smoke them.

17 posted on 09/06/2012 9:12:24 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: stormer; doc1019
Of course we know this isn’t evidence of Noah’s flood; since he gathered two of every animal, we’d still have mammoths, mastodons, and armadillos the size of cars still wandering around.

Well, using that train of thought, no animals must have become extinct since the time of Noah. Including this very short list, I suppose -

List of Mammals Extinct after 1500 AD

18 posted on 09/06/2012 9:13:23 PM PDT by airborne (MY HEROES DON'T WEAR CAPES. MY HEROES WEAR DOG TAGS ! ! !)
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To: ForGod'sSake

I thought these were special animals with more than the normal amount of bones,


19 posted on 09/06/2012 9:17:19 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

I have to ask: how would you go about making a meal out of that thing?


20 posted on 09/06/2012 9:17:53 PM PDT by thecodont
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To: airborne

Gee, you win. And when you stand before G_d, you will understand that all your earthly arguments against him were in vain. I will let HIM have the last argument.


21 posted on 09/06/2012 9:20:39 PM PDT by doc1019 (Given my choices, I will not be voting this time around.)
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To: ForGod'sSake

It was a really big asteroid.


22 posted on 09/06/2012 9:21:09 PM PDT by ponygirl (Be Breitbart.)
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To: Lancey Howard

In an unrelated story, scientists have uncovered what appears to be the oldest remains of a taco cart.


23 posted on 09/06/2012 9:24:54 PM PDT by myprecious
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To: doc1019
Not sure you read my post. My comment tried to explain why the argument of 'stormer' was flawed.

I was ageeing with you. But never mind. You're on your own.

24 posted on 09/06/2012 9:30:00 PM PDT by airborne (MY HEROES DON'T WEAR CAPES. MY HEROES WEAR DOG TAGS ! ! !)
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To: thecodont
A) The staff has to put on pants, and shirts. Hair in the food is wrong.

ii) After staff has brought it down and bled it out, I would instruct them on how to peel an armadillo.

3) Prep by cutting excess fat off, portion into 20 lbs pieces, marinate in my Coffee/Beer BBQ sauce for 2 days at 40F.

IV. Grill over open flame (I prefer mesquite wood).

E. Serve with baked beans, potato salad, iced tea, beer, and homemade ice cream.

/johnny

25 posted on 09/06/2012 9:30:52 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: ForGod'sSake

I suspect this is a thanatoscenose assemblage of Pleistocene megafauna. They probably died due to a large rain (flood) and their bodies washed down into a common chokepoint on the river, the bodies decayed and ended up on some riverbottom. With time the channel of the river changed and the bones became the property of an oxbow lake which finally filled in through eutrophication. They laid there until they were found.


26 posted on 09/06/2012 9:33:20 PM PDT by Texas Songwriter (<)
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To: thecodont

Making a meal of it?

Simple -— it’s already on the half shell!!!


27 posted on 09/06/2012 9:34:20 PM PDT by LTC.Ret (You'd think I would know better than to volunteer!!! www.sendmetocongress.us)
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To: thecodont
Oh... Invite.... everybody. And their friends. That stuff is too fatty to preserve well in those temps. We're going to need about 75 people for several days to polish it off.

They can bring green bean salad. 10 gallons should do.

And ice. Don't forget ice.

/johnny

28 posted on 09/06/2012 9:35:23 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Lancey Howard
They'll probably find a way to snort them or smoke them.

Caramba! Isn't that supposed to be good for the libido of something???

29 posted on 09/06/2012 9:36:01 PM PDT by ForGod'sSake (You have only two choices: SUBMIT or RESIST with everything you've got!!!)
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To: LTC.Ret
Simple -— it’s already on the half shell!!!

Spoken like an orficer that doesn't have to think about the logistics, and leaves it to an NCO. ;)

/johnny

30 posted on 09/06/2012 9:39:09 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: count-your-change
I thought these were special animals with more than the normal amount of bones,

Well, there's that too. That image is better than a bunch of bones staggering around. ;^)

31 posted on 09/06/2012 9:39:31 PM PDT by ForGod'sSake (You have only two choices: SUBMIT or RESIST with everything you've got!!!)
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To: ForGod'sSake
Excerpts from "Earth in Upheaval" (c) Doubleday 1955

Page 3 - "What could have caused the Artic Sea and the Pacific Ocean to irrupt and wash away forests with all their animal population and throw the entire mingled mass in great heaps scattered all over Alaska, the coast of which is no longer the Atlantic seaboard from Newfoundland to Florida?

Was it not a tectonic revolution in the earth's crust, that also caused the volcano's to erupt and to cover the peninsula with ashes?

In various levels of the muck, stone artifacts were found 'frozen in situ at great depths and in apparent association' with the Ice Age fauna, which implies that 'men were contemporary with extinct animals in Alaska.'


32 posted on 09/06/2012 9:40:32 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: ponygirl
It was a really big asteroid.

Well alrighty then; suits me. Where and how big???

33 posted on 09/06/2012 9:41:34 PM PDT by ForGod'sSake (You have only two choices: SUBMIT or RESIST with everything you've got!!!)
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To: airborne

Sorry, I read your response several time (as I do before replying to any post), and I just didn’t pick up on the fact that you were arguing for creationism. I got just the opposite from your post ... sorry, my bad.


34 posted on 09/06/2012 9:42:12 PM PDT by doc1019 (Given my choices, I will not be voting this time around.)
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To: FormerACLUmember; ForGod'sSake
The people you are calling Native Americans got here about 6,000 years after the folks featured in the article below.

Vintage Skulls

"The oldest human remains found in the Americas were recently "discovered" in the storeroom of Mexico's National Museum of Anthropology. Found in central Mexico in 1959, the five skulls were radiocarbon dated by a team of researchers from the United Kingdom and Mexico and found to be 13,000 years old. They pre-date the Clovis culture by a couple thousand years, adding to the growing evidence against the Clovis-first model for the first peopling of the Americas.

Of additional significance is the shape of the skulls, which are described as long and narrow, very unlike those of modern Native Americans.

35 posted on 09/06/2012 9:44:11 PM PDT by blam
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To: Texas Songwriter
They probably died due to a large rain (flood) and their bodies washed down into a common chokepoint on the river, the bodies decayed and ended up on some riverbottom.

A possibility to be sure. Would 40 day and 40 nights do it? Could it be they succumbed to the same nastiness as THESE GUYS?

36 posted on 09/06/2012 9:51:22 PM PDT by ForGod'sSake (You have only two choices: SUBMIT or RESIST with everything you've got!!!)
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To: ForGod'sSake

Yes.


37 posted on 09/06/2012 9:53:58 PM PDT by Texas Songwriter (<)
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To: Fred Nerks

Thanks for that Fred! I’m now on my third reading of EIU. I have come to find that “V” was into serious economy of words for his writing style. For a boomer like myself, comprehension skills have suffered a great deal and “V” can’t be read like your typical novel. At times EVERY sentence in a paragraph; not just the first, is important to the overall message he is imparting. In any case, third time’s the charm I hope.


38 posted on 09/06/2012 9:58:52 PM PDT by ForGod'sSake (You have only two choices: SUBMIT or RESIST with everything you've got!!!)
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To: airborne

Certainly no question that many species have gone extinct in historical times. I think my point was to illustrate the spatial and logistical impracticality of the admittedly charming tale about Noah and his ark...


39 posted on 09/06/2012 10:00:48 PM PDT by stormer
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To: thecodont
Tangentially related, that image also represents the innovation of the practice of drawing lots...
40 posted on 09/06/2012 10:04:27 PM PDT by stormer
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To: doc1019
The planet is like a spinning top in some respects. If the spin poles shifted 90 degrees, the tropics would suddenly be in the Northernmost regions, etc. The plates would have been violently shaken and perhaps rippled like shaking a rug to loosen the dirt, but is a much more chaotic pattern since the plates are of different shapes and have boundaries with more than one other plate.

Question then becomes 'what could cause the top to tip so?' Would a passing massive body generate sufficient gravitational disturbance? nad might there have been accompanying 'electrical discharge exchanges' when this body passed close enough to the Earth in rushing through the solar system, and might there be other clues on other planets, like a huge gouge across the surface of perhaps Mars and perhaps the demiose of an entire watery planet in the Martian orbit with Mars a surviving moon of the other water world? ... Oh my, when we need Tom Van Flandern ...

41 posted on 09/06/2012 10:05:10 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: airborne

I understand your point. Animal kind was decimated down to two of everything. After the waters receded their survival on the ark is no guarantee against eventual extinction.


42 posted on 09/06/2012 10:05:52 PM PDT by SAR (Son of THE Revolution.)
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To: airborne

I understand your point. Animal kind was decimated down to two of everything. After the waters receded their survival on the ark is no guarantee against eventual extinction.


43 posted on 09/06/2012 10:05:59 PM PDT by SAR (Son of THE Revolution.)
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To: airborne

I understood you. Some people just won’t take “yes” for an answer.


44 posted on 09/06/2012 10:06:01 PM PDT by stormer
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To: stormer
represents the innovation of the practice of drawing lots...

Not for the chef, it doesn't. Staff may draw lots, but I'm not going out there with a dying, thrashing, herbivorous megafauna kinda critter with broken spears sticking out of it..

Staff needs to bring back neatly packaged 20 lb cleaned chunks of meat.

I've got a stack of nice red shirts for the new guys.

/johnny

45 posted on 09/06/2012 10:11:42 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: stormer
I think my point was to illustrate the spatial and logistical impracticality of the admittedly charming tale about Noah and his ark...

There are those who believe there have been any number of global or regional floods, some in historic times even. Evidence is all over the planet for such. Won't find it in any of the "prestigious" journals though. Doesn't fit the accepted paradigm of "gradualism".

Darwin himself was flummoxed by the calamatous nature of upheaval he found all over the world. This was ignored if favor of steady-state planet where nothing untoward ever happens. Imagine that.

46 posted on 09/06/2012 10:18:12 PM PDT by ForGod'sSake (You have only two choices: SUBMIT or RESIST with everything you've got!!!)
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To: ForGod'sSake
I'm so glad to hear you noticed...and the same applies to Worlds in Collision. I learn something more each time I read it. Ages in Chaos is also full of surprises. The three volumes have seen better days, paperbacks that are falling apart - but nothing would persuade me to part with them, Velikovsky lives in every word:

The profusion of bones in Agate Springs Quarry may be judged by a single block now in the American Museum of Natural History in New York, this block contains about a hundred bones to the square foot. There is no way of explaining an aggregation of fossils as a natural death retreat of animals of various genera. E.I.U. PAGE 67

47 posted on 09/06/2012 10:21:22 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: JRandomFreeper

I’d probably be the guy who volunteers to go find all the firewood you’d ever need...


48 posted on 09/06/2012 10:21:22 PM PDT by stormer
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To: stormer
And never show back up, except for seconds. ;)

/johnny

49 posted on 09/06/2012 10:22:52 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: ForGod'sSake
Actually the “prestigious” journals do. You may want to familiarize yourself with J Harlan Bretz. As far as Darwin is concerned, he certainly drew some incorrect conclusions, many due not to an adherence to the dictates of gradualism, but a poor understanding of range of events that it may include. And without concept of tectonics, it's no wonder.
50 posted on 09/06/2012 10:27:44 PM PDT by stormer
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