Posted on 09/06/2012 8:24:18 PM PDT by ForGod'sSake
Apparently, archaeologists have also found a few human skeletal remains at the excavation site
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September 4, 2012 11:10 AM GMT
More than hundred bones of animals, now extinct, that thrived over 10,000 years ago (the late Pleistocene period), have been discovered in the state of Hidalgo, in central-eastern Mexico.
The discovery was made at a construction site of a wastewater treatment plant near the river El Salto in the city of Atotonilco de Tula, archaeologists at the National Institute of Anthropology and History (INAH), announced in a statement.
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The remains include bones of several extinct animals including mastodons and mammoths among others, which were found scattered at different distances within an area of approximately 100 hectares, and as deep as 10 metres.
“The skeletal remains of extinct animals, some of which measure up to 1.60 m, corresponding to ribs, vertebrae, skulls, jaws, defences (fangs), horns and shells, of species such as glyptodont, mastodon, mammoth, camel, horse, deer, bison and possibly other as yet unidentified,” INAH archaeologists said, adding that it took about five months of excavation work to dig out all the remains.
Though remains of mammoths have been found in the past as well, archaeologists are dubbing it as the biggest discovery of the Ice Age’s large-bodied animal remains ever made in the region.
“This is the most numerous and varied discovery of remains of extinct megafauna, found together, registered so far in the Basin of Mexico” INAH archaeologist Alicia Bonfil Olivera said.
Human Bones
Apparently, archaeologists have also found a few human skeletal remains at the excavation site but scientific investigation for confirmation is yet to be done. However, two stone tools found in the excavation suggest that the bones may be of a human.
“The characteristics and size of some bones indicate that it is human limbs, which is not surprising because it is known that man lived in central Mexico at that time.”
The sediments and sand layer in which the faunal remains were found further indicate that the animals and possibly humans probably were trapped in landslides and got buried in the debris.
Landslide ~ping~
Or a really big flood.
Yep. Or perchance a REALLY big wave.
Gentle, one with nature, Native Americans butchered the
mega-fauna of the Americas into extinction as they moved south.
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Could be a really big flood. Really big floods occur around the world with regularity, and Hidalgo is certainly a place where hurricanes (and ensuing really big floods) have caused significant damage and deaths in the past. Of course we know this isn’t evidence of Noah’s flood; since he gathered two of every animal, we’d still have mammoths, mastodons, and armadillos the size of cars still wandering around.
Very likely a mass kill off from a lahar (volcanic mudslide). The Basin of Mexico (Mexico City is built over an unstable lake bed) is surrounded by volcanoes.
Or a really big meteor.
Yeah, and chased 'em all the way down to Florida where they cornered them on the peninsula -- from SOME accounts as recently as three to four thousand years ago. Not sure how reliable those accounts may be since the megafauna in North America were presumably wiped out at the end Pleistocene. Me, I dunno...
Believe what you will, I will be very happy in my G_d fearing ignorance. And I believe that G_d will bless me for it.
Another possibility. Myself, I'm inclined to believe they met their fate the same way most of the other extinct megafauna did in northern and western hemispheres. Fact is, there have been indications from other parts of the world where tsunami type detritus was mingled with volcanic ash, mangled trees and the like -- along with sand and gravel -- from somewhere.
The end of the Pleistocene was not a pretty picture. Our most recent and probably least studied extinction event on the planet. Too close for comfort maybe.
Or several even???
They'll probably find a way to snort them or smoke them.
Well, using that train of thought, no animals must have become extinct since the time of Noah. Including this very short list, I suppose -
I thought these were special animals with more than the normal amount of bones,
I have to ask: how would you go about making a meal out of that thing?
Gee, you win. And when you stand before G_d, you will understand that all your earthly arguments against him were in vain. I will let HIM have the last argument.
It was a really big asteroid.
In an unrelated story, scientists have uncovered what appears to be the oldest remains of a taco cart.
I was ageeing with you. But never mind. You're on your own.
ii) After staff has brought it down and bled it out, I would instruct them on how to peel an armadillo.
3) Prep by cutting excess fat off, portion into 20 lbs pieces, marinate in my Coffee/Beer BBQ sauce for 2 days at 40F.
IV. Grill over open flame (I prefer mesquite wood).
E. Serve with baked beans, potato salad, iced tea, beer, and homemade ice cream.
/johnny
I suspect this is a thanatoscenose assemblage of Pleistocene megafauna. They probably died due to a large rain (flood) and their bodies washed down into a common chokepoint on the river, the bodies decayed and ended up on some riverbottom. With time the channel of the river changed and the bones became the property of an oxbow lake which finally filled in through eutrophication. They laid there until they were found.
Making a meal of it?
Simple -— it’s already on the half shell!!!
They can bring green bean salad. 10 gallons should do.
And ice. Don't forget ice.
/johnny
Caramba! Isn't that supposed to be good for the libido of something???
Spoken like an orficer that doesn't have to think about the logistics, and leaves it to an NCO. ;)
/johnny
Well, there's that too. That image is better than a bunch of bones staggering around. ;^)
Page 3 - "What could have caused the Artic Sea and the Pacific Ocean to irrupt and wash away forests with all their animal population and throw the entire mingled mass in great heaps scattered all over Alaska, the coast of which is no longer the Atlantic seaboard from Newfoundland to Florida?
Was it not a tectonic revolution in the earth's crust, that also caused the volcano's to erupt and to cover the peninsula with ashes?
In various levels of the muck, stone artifacts were found 'frozen in situ at great depths and in apparent association' with the Ice Age fauna, which implies that 'men were contemporary with extinct animals in Alaska.'
Well alrighty then; suits me. Where and how big???
Sorry, I read your response several time (as I do before replying to any post), and I just didn’t pick up on the fact that you were arguing for creationism. I got just the opposite from your post ... sorry, my bad.
"The oldest human remains found in the Americas were recently "discovered" in the storeroom of Mexico's National Museum of Anthropology. Found in central Mexico in 1959, the five skulls were radiocarbon dated by a team of researchers from the United Kingdom and Mexico and found to be 13,000 years old. They pre-date the Clovis culture by a couple thousand years, adding to the growing evidence against the Clovis-first model for the first peopling of the Americas.
Of additional significance is the shape of the skulls, which are described as long and narrow, very unlike those of modern Native Americans.
A possibility to be sure. Would 40 day and 40 nights do it? Could it be they succumbed to the same nastiness as THESE GUYS?
Yes.
Thanks for that Fred! I’m now on my third reading of EIU. I have come to find that “V” was into serious economy of words for his writing style. For a boomer like myself, comprehension skills have suffered a great deal and “V” can’t be read like your typical novel. At times EVERY sentence in a paragraph; not just the first, is important to the overall message he is imparting. In any case, third time’s the charm I hope.
Certainly no question that many species have gone extinct in historical times. I think my point was to illustrate the spatial and logistical impracticality of the admittedly charming tale about Noah and his ark...
Question then becomes 'what could cause the top to tip so?' Would a passing massive body generate sufficient gravitational disturbance? nad might there have been accompanying 'electrical discharge exchanges' when this body passed close enough to the Earth in rushing through the solar system, and might there be other clues on other planets, like a huge gouge across the surface of perhaps Mars and perhaps the demiose of an entire watery planet in the Martian orbit with Mars a surviving moon of the other water world? ... Oh my, when we need Tom Van Flandern ...
I understand your point. Animal kind was decimated down to two of everything. After the waters receded their survival on the ark is no guarantee against eventual extinction.
I understand your point. Animal kind was decimated down to two of everything. After the waters receded their survival on the ark is no guarantee against eventual extinction.
I understood you. Some people just won’t take “yes” for an answer.
Not for the chef, it doesn't. Staff may draw lots, but I'm not going out there with a dying, thrashing, herbivorous megafauna kinda critter with broken spears sticking out of it..
Staff needs to bring back neatly packaged 20 lb cleaned chunks of meat.
I've got a stack of nice red shirts for the new guys.
/johnny
There are those who believe there have been any number of global or regional floods, some in historic times even. Evidence is all over the planet for such. Won't find it in any of the "prestigious" journals though. Doesn't fit the accepted paradigm of "gradualism".
Darwin himself was flummoxed by the calamatous nature of upheaval he found all over the world. This was ignored if favor of steady-state planet where nothing untoward ever happens. Imagine that.
The profusion of bones in Agate Springs Quarry may be judged by a single block now in the American Museum of Natural History in New York, this block contains about a hundred bones to the square foot. There is no way of explaining an aggregation of fossils as a natural death retreat of animals of various genera. E.I.U. PAGE 67
I’d probably be the guy who volunteers to go find all the firewood you’d ever need...
/johnny
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