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Food stamps a helping hand, not a handout
Knoxville News Sentinel ^ | 9/7/12 | Pam Strickland

Posted on 09/07/2012 10:14:47 AM PDT by SmithL

"Please don't feed the animals."

That phrase makes sense when talking about bears and deer, turkeys and elk in the Great Smoky Mountains.

It's quite another matter when discussing whether to give food to human beings who need help because circumstances have left them wanting for one the most basic of aspects of life.

That is unless you are David Fowler, president of the Family Action Council of Tennessee — ironic, that name.

Fowler, a former Tennessee state legislator, posted on his personal Facebook page recently that the National Park Service's "stated reason for the policy is because the animals will grow dependent on handouts and will not learn to take care of themselves," Fowler wrote in the post. "This ends today's lesson."

Fowler apparently thinks that the 1,341,520 Tennesseans who received food stamps in July, the last month for which statistics are available, are less than human.

He says that's not what he meant. That what he meant was that "Government creating human dependence on government demeans human dignity and is antithetical to human freedom government is intended to protect."

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TOPICS: Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Tennessee
KEYWORDS: economy; foodstamps; obama; obamanomics; welfare; yourtaxdollarsatwork
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1 posted on 09/07/2012 10:14:53 AM PDT by SmithL
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To: SmithL
That what he meant was that "Government creating human dependence on government demeans human dignity and is antithetical to human freedom government is intended to protect."

Hmmmm, this quote sounds familiar:

"The lessons of history, confirmed by the evidence immediately before me, show conclusively that continued dependence upon relief induces a spiritual and moral disintegration fundamentally destructive to the national fibre. To dole out relief in this way is to administer a narcotic, a subtle destroyer of the human spirit. It is inimical to the dictates of sound policy. It is in violation of the traditions of America."

-Franklin Delano Roosevelt 1935 State of the Union Address

2 posted on 09/07/2012 10:18:33 AM PDT by dfwgator (I'm voting for Ryan and that other guy.)
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To: SmithL
It's quite another matter when discussing whether to give food to human beings who need help because circumstances have left them wanting for one the most basic of aspects of life.

What the writer leaves out is who is giving the food, and under what circumstances.

I have no problem feeding the hungry, because I feel that I'm required to by my faith.

Having a gun pointed at me and cash removed from my wallet so the hungry can be fed by the government is something else entirely.

/johnny

3 posted on 09/07/2012 10:19:27 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: SmithL

“Please don’t feed the animals.”

Bad analogy.

Should have used:

“Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.”

Libs will always twist and contort another’s statement to suit their perverted political needs.


4 posted on 09/07/2012 10:19:41 AM PDT by carriage_hill (Harry Reid [PERVERT-NV] has Vickie-the-goat in lingerie & stiletto heels, tied-up in his office.)
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To: SmithL

Bullsh!t!

LLS


5 posted on 09/07/2012 10:20:16 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer ("if it looks like you are not gonna make it you gotta get mean, I mean plumb mad-dog mean" J. Wales)
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To: SmithL
I say this everytime the subject comes up.

Food stamps are a farm subsidy administered by the Dept. of Agriculture

6 posted on 09/07/2012 10:21:21 AM PDT by lewislynn ( What does the global warming movement and the Fairtax movement have in commom? Misinformation)
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To: JRandomFreeper

The one’s that get me are those that buy steaks and lobster while many working people eat fish sticks and ground beef. Then the steak eaters send the bill to the ground beef eaters.


7 posted on 09/07/2012 10:23:44 AM PDT by papageo
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To: SmithL

Food stamps have become a staple to people who haven’t worked in generations; somehow while the media pretends we have “people going to bed hungry” in America we have welfare queens that can’t fit through a double door without turning sideways (and the diabetes “epidemic” to prove it).


8 posted on 09/07/2012 10:23:53 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: carriage_hill

“Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.”

Build a man a fire and you keep him warm for one night. Set the man on fire and you keep him warm for the rest of his life.


9 posted on 09/07/2012 10:24:43 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: SmithL

When I was young the poor people were skinny and looking for any kind of work. Now the biggest health problem among the poor is obesity and they don’t want any kind of work (It would be a pay cut).


10 posted on 09/07/2012 10:29:54 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah, so shall it be again")
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To: SmithL

>>Fowler apparently thinks that the 1,341,520 Tennesseans who received food stamps in July, the last month for which statistics are available, are less than human.<<

I would love to see just how many of the 1,341,520 receiving food stamps are actually using them for their designed purpose; and not trading them for cash so they can buy smokes, booze, and drugs.

I’d also like to see just how many of the 1,341,520 are 1) working and just need a little help, 2) out of work and just need a little help, or 3) 3rd or 4th generation shiftless, lazy deadbeats who can work but simply don’t want to because they can milk the system and breed.


11 posted on 09/07/2012 10:32:47 AM PDT by ItsOurTimeNow (Heisenberg / Pinkman 2012!)
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To: SmithL

Considering that food, second only to air, is one of the highest priorities in survival, every first dollar that every individual has should go towards it.

Food stamps do not subsidize food. An honest person will spend any and every dollar available to feed their family at the expense of comforts and lifestyle.

Food stamps subsidize cell phones and gas, car payments, and everything else that the receiver is then free to spend those first dollars on.


12 posted on 09/07/2012 10:33:01 AM PDT by Can i say that here?
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To: JRandomFreeper

100%. I have no qualms with helping those in need. Those who will never attempt to help themselves is something totally different.


13 posted on 09/07/2012 10:34:27 AM PDT by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: circlecity; carriage_hill

“Give a man a fish and feed him for a day. Don’t teach a man to fish...and feed yourself. He’s a grown man...fishing’s not that hard.” - Ron Swanson


14 posted on 09/07/2012 10:35:47 AM PDT by ItsOurTimeNow (Heisenberg / Pinkman 2012!)
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To: circlecity

LMAO!


15 posted on 09/07/2012 10:36:06 AM PDT by carriage_hill (Harry Reid [PERVERT-NV] has Vickie-the-goat in lingerie & stiletto heels, tied-up in his office.)
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To: fella

True story - I offered a $13/hr job once to a young lady who applied (factory work). After doing the math, she turned the job down, saying “if I make that much, they’ll take away my HUD assistance, my rent will go up, and my food stamps will go down.”

We’re paying for a generation of losers who have zero incentive to improve their lot in life.


16 posted on 09/07/2012 10:40:40 AM PDT by ItsOurTimeNow (Heisenberg / Pinkman 2012!)
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To: ItsOurTimeNow

I just wonder how many, in the absence of food stamps, would have gotten off their butt to do what they had to do to get food?


17 posted on 09/07/2012 10:40:40 AM PDT by dfwgator (I'm voting for Ryan and that other guy.)
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To: papageo
while many working people eat fish sticks


18 posted on 09/07/2012 10:42:43 AM PDT by dfwgator (I'm voting for Ryan and that other guy.)
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To: ItsOurTimeNow
Okay, I'll sheepishly admit it. I'm 62 and fished for 3-4yrs as a kid, and never caught a darned thing, except seaweed and a waterlogged carcass of "something". Never caught a fish.

***World's Worst Fisherman*** Award Winner, In Perpetuity.

Now, firearms are a whole 'nother matter...

19 posted on 09/07/2012 10:43:00 AM PDT by carriage_hill (Harry Reid [PERVERT-NV] has Vickie-the-goat in lingerie & stiletto heels, tied-up in his office.)
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To: fella
When I was young the poor people were skinny and looking for any kind of work.

The War On Poverty has been won by making such work illegal outright (i.e.: minimum wage).

To ward off the inevitable Supreme Court ruling that work associations cannot be prohibited based on arbitrary wage limits, the welfare system guarantees anyone will get a minimum income about 20x that of world median wages.

Ergo poor obesity.

20 posted on 09/07/2012 10:43:24 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com)
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To: SmithL

Food stamps are a necessity for many people and I am glad that we have the program for those truly in need. I live in a poor area where I know many families would go hungry without them. That being said, I am tired of 20yr old single mothers buying 12 packs of coke and Haggen Daas ice cream bars at 7-11 using food stamps. Drives me nuts.


21 posted on 09/07/2012 10:45:53 AM PDT by cornfedcowboy (Trust in God, but empty the clip.)
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To: Can i say that here?

One can eat reasonably well on just 25 minutes of minimum wage labor per day. See tagline.


22 posted on 09/07/2012 10:46:53 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com)
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To: circlecity; carriage_hill

Throw a man in the lake and he won’t need fish for the rest of his life.


23 posted on 09/07/2012 10:47:48 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com)
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To: dfwgator; pookie18
OBAMAS WORK BOOTS, NEW SHOES
24 posted on 09/07/2012 10:49:22 AM PDT by FrankR (They will become our ultimate masters the day we surrender the 2nd Amendment.)
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To: papageo

Yeah, I think that’s what gets me the most.
Taxpayers are getting pinched (and criticized) so they have to make sacrifices so that the takers can live “higher” than the “givers”.... at gunpoint.


25 posted on 09/07/2012 10:50:23 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working fors)
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To: carriage_hill
" Now, firearms are a whole 'nother matter."

So, did you ever think about combining the two?

26 posted on 09/07/2012 10:52:59 AM PDT by BlueLancer (You cannot conquer a free man. The most you can do is kill him. (R. Heinlein - "If This Goes On"))
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To: MrB

Everyone likes to feel good about themselves. Giving to others makes one feel good. It is charitable.
Being forced by Government to ‘give’ is like being held up by a street thug. It is theft. That does not feel good, you feel violated


27 posted on 09/07/2012 10:57:40 AM PDT by griswold3 (Big Government does not tolerate rivals.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

In Cal. a card, similar to a debit card is given. Liquor stores advertise that they accept these cards. They were being used in casinos and on cruise ships. The author said the program she refers to is only good for 3 years she fails to say that after the 3 years they can reapply. Now that 47% of people receive some type of Gov. assistance it is time to revamp or eliminate these programs.


28 posted on 09/07/2012 10:59:07 AM PDT by brightright
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To: SmithL
A young woman approached me while I was on line at Walmart last weekend. She recited a story (even flubbed her lines) that her son needed school supplies, and she could not use Food Stamps to buy them.

"I'll give you an extra $20 in Food Stamps if you'll give me cash". When I declined, she moved onto the next in line. I wish I had thought to ask her what her son would be eating during the coming week.

Seems there is an abundance of Food Stamps floating around which can be used to barter for drug money.

29 posted on 09/07/2012 11:05:14 AM PDT by EnquiringMind
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To: BlueLancer

OMG. Awwwwwwwwwwwww, now that’s just wrong. And too easy. Even I could do that.

(Are those tuna? With a 12ga/410, they’ll be tunafish casserole in minutes.)


30 posted on 09/07/2012 11:08:26 AM PDT by carriage_hill (Harry Reid [PERVERT-NV] has Vickie-the-goat in lingerie & stiletto heels, tied-up in his office.)
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To: cornfedcowboy

In my area, they use EBT Cards to buy multiple shopping carts full of bags of potato chips, cookies, packages of lobster, ice cream, candy, soft drinks, and then get someone else to buy their liquor/cigs for cash, in a dollar-for-dollar exchange for using the EBT Card to buy them food. What a scam. I called the City Welfare Office to report it, and was told they don’t give a crap. Don’t call us again. Still PMO when I see it happening.


31 posted on 09/07/2012 11:16:27 AM PDT by carriage_hill (Harry Reid [PERVERT-NV] has Vickie-the-goat in lingerie & stiletto heels, tied-up in his office.)
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To: brightright

The author is being deliberately misleading when citing the three-year limit. Someone in the comments said the three-year limit only applies to someone without dependents.


32 posted on 09/07/2012 11:17:24 AM PDT by nodumbblonde ("I'm all for helping the helpless, but I don't give a rat's a** about the clueless." - Dennis Miller)
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To: circlecity

LOL, that is hilarious.


33 posted on 09/07/2012 11:20:32 AM PDT by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: BlueLancer

Sorry, BL, I just figured out that that pic’s a fishing boat’s netted haul, wedged in between a dock and the boat, and they’re killing them to land them. That 12/410’s gonna ruin a lot of meat.


34 posted on 09/07/2012 11:21:25 AM PDT by carriage_hill (Harry Reid [PERVERT-NV] has Vickie-the-goat in lingerie & stiletto heels, tied-up in his office.)
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To: carriage_hill
“Please don’t feed the animals.” Bad analogy.

Should have used:

“Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.”

Libs will always twist and contort another’s statement to suit their perverted political needs.

I disagree a bit that by teaching a man to fish, you feed him for a lifetime - He feeds himself for a lifetime, which is even better (for both of you).

You also left off the new, last part:

"Create a government program that gives a man a fish every day and you get a reliable Democrat voter for a lifetime (and beyond)."

35 posted on 09/07/2012 11:24:25 AM PDT by Bob
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To: lewislynn

“Food stamps are a farm subsidy administered by the Dept. of Agriculture “

It’s a subsidy for the whole food industry- including the media that sells them advertising.
Pepsi, Coke, Cheetos and Oreos ads are ultimately paid for with food stamps.

(No, I’ve never heard that in the media either LOL!)


36 posted on 09/07/2012 11:29:44 AM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: SmithL

A friend, a single mother, lost her job when the store she worked at closed. The ex is a dead beat, so unemployed with a child to feed, she applied for food stamps. At the initial interview, she asked what happened when she got a new job. How did she go about removing herself from the food stamp program. The interviewer looked at her like she was from another planet. Why on earth would she want to get off food stamps? Obviously he had never been asked that question before.


37 posted on 09/07/2012 11:31:44 AM PDT by reformed_dem
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To: SmithL

Even while we were with you, we gave you this command: “Those unwilling to work will not get to eat.” 2 Thessalonians 3:10

Laziness brings on deep sleep, and the shiftless man goes hungry. Proverbs 19:15

Work hard and become a leader; be lazy and become a slave. Proverbs 12:24

He who has been stealing must steal no longer, but must work, doing something useful with his own hands, that he may have something to share with those in need. Ephesians 4:28

Because of our Christian heritage, Americans are a charitable people. Unfortunately, there are folks that have exploited that kindness. That “safety net” has now become a hammock for far too many.

How many of the millions living off of taxpayers are willing to actually get a job and work? I know in my life during rough times I have taken some pretty lowly jobs to survive - delivering phone books, mowing lawns, washing dishes, retail sales and a few others that weren’t so glamorous. The last thing I wanted was to be a burden to someone else.

There is a place for charity - the very young, disabled, or very old may need help. And in an ideal world, the churches, communities and families would take care of those that truly need it, and there would be no need for government theft and handouts. I’m already a giver. If my taxes were cut in half, that would only increase.

There are always jobs and opportunities for those that truly want to work. And if we could ever shrink the government and lower taxes, there would be even more available.


38 posted on 09/07/2012 11:37:22 AM PDT by Kandy Atz ("Were we directed from Washington when to sow and when to reap, we should soon want for bread.")
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To: ItsOurTimeNow
They can't make change, working behind the register, but they can find a numerical solution of a partial differential equation when it comes to determining a break-even point.

/johnny

39 posted on 09/07/2012 11:39:52 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: cornfedcowboy

“Food stamps are a necessity for many people and I am glad that we have the program for those truly in need.”

No government program, including Food Stamps, is a necessity.

Charity for the truly hungry and needy is a necessity for any civilized society.

The two are not the same. The former is designed to stifle the latter.


40 posted on 09/07/2012 11:41:01 AM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: JRandomFreeper

Feeding the hungry is church work, not government work.

Just imagine how united our local communities would be if we took care of each other.


41 posted on 09/07/2012 11:42:25 AM PDT by donna (The United States Constitution and the Koran are mutually exclusive.)
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To: EnquiringMind
A young woman approached me while I was on line at Walmart last weekend.

Young women asking for cash don't approach me, ever. I look like I'll suggest a free-market transaction to help them obtain their cash. ;)

/johnny

42 posted on 09/07/2012 11:42:49 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: fella
Now the biggest health problem among the poor is obesity and they don’t want any kind of work (It would be a pay cut).

And for many they just pop out another child to get a pay raise.

43 posted on 09/07/2012 11:47:04 AM PDT by the_devils_advocate_666
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To: EnquiringMind

“Seems there is an abundance of Food Stamps floating around which can be used to barter for drug money.”

Food Stamps and Unemployment and other government bennies are supplemental income.

Several time in the past year I’ve looked for project labor, and found that folks are available under-the-table but will not work above-board because “they’ll lose their benefits”.

One can make a good living equivalent to a much much higher earning regular tax-paying American - without the need to file tax paperwork and the pitfalls that follow any IRS scrutiny.


44 posted on 09/07/2012 11:54:09 AM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: donna
Amen. Poor relief needs to be moved back to the private sector.

Besides it building community relationships, locals are less likely to fall for a line of BS from a supplicant.

/johnny

45 posted on 09/07/2012 11:59:50 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: dfwgator; All
I just wonder how many, in the absence of food stamps, would have gotten off their butt to do what they had to do to get food?

I am so @#$& tired of this.

You are advocating theft.

I've had it with the attitude around here from 'I gots mine' people who are exactly the vile, callous, hateful types Democrats paint conservatives as being. It's sick, it's dehumanizing, it's unproductive.

How can the same people look at the Obama economic record, the drop in labor participation, the lack of job opportunities, the drop in take home pay, the flat-out MISERY in his America and attack once productive fellow Americans, taxpayers, who have be forced into taking food stamps or other assistance just so they can survive so maybe they can get a job and back to productivity.

If you want to do something, if you want to fix this, HIRE or just SHUT UP!

There will always be a tiny group that will take advantage of a system. You and other vicious, angry people are so desperate for your two-minutes hate, you exaggerate that group into some gargantuan menace, a sick, sad fantasy.

Those are not the people who hear you, those are not the people who read your words and feel ashamed they're not earning a paycheck. Those are not the people who've burned through their savings trying to survive the Obama recovery and come up snake eyes looking for work.

It's not at all surprising disability is up. Once you exhausted all savings, once you've sold off your assets, once you've become long term jobless, once you've lost your home once and are choosing between food and shelter, once you've cut back until there is nothing left to cut, you may well be ready to break particularly when jackasses like the many holier-than-thou commenters on this thread have run you down and you look at the news and see no sign of things getting better, as you fruitlessly fill-out job applications you look at your silent emergency phone wondering why no one calls for an interview, you look at politics and see no hope for rebound before you're out of time, out of money, out of patience.

Whatever happened to humility, what happened to, "There but for the grace of God, go I?"

The nastiness I see here says more about those posters' character than it does about those on public assistance under Obama.

46 posted on 09/07/2012 12:13:25 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Election night is 60 days away.)
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To: cornfedcowboy
Food stamps are a necessity for many people...

True. But they're a luxury for many more who have decided that it's easier to milk the system than to actually earn their keep. Coupled with fraudulent disability claims, HUD assistance, and all the other freebie welfare programs, unemployment has become a lucrative alternative to working.

47 posted on 09/07/2012 12:13:37 PM PDT by meyer (It's 1860 all over again - the taxpayer is the new "N" word)
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To: newzjunkey
You are advocating theft.

Huh?

48 posted on 09/07/2012 12:14:42 PM PDT by dfwgator (I'm voting for Ryan and that other guy.)
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To: Bob

So true.


49 posted on 09/07/2012 12:18:39 PM PDT by carriage_hill (Harry Reid [PERVERT-NV] has Vickie-the-goat in lingerie & stiletto heels, tied-up in his office.)
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To: newzjunkey
There will always be a tiny group that will take advantage of a system.

So, do you think that 75-90% of the recipients of government handouts represents a "tiny" group? Fraud is rampant in all of our welfare programs because there's absolutely NO accountability. Nobody's minding the store. Nobody running these programs gives a fat rat's backside because, after all, it's not THEIR money that's being stolen and redistributed.

50 posted on 09/07/2012 12:20:34 PM PDT by meyer (It's 1860 all over again - the taxpayer is the new "N" word)
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