Skip to comments.Food stamps a helping hand, not a handout
Posted on 09/07/2012 10:14:47 AM PDT by SmithL
"Please don't feed the animals."
That phrase makes sense when talking about bears and deer, turkeys and elk in the Great Smoky Mountains.
It's quite another matter when discussing whether to give food to human beings who need help because circumstances have left them wanting for one the most basic of aspects of life.
That is unless you are David Fowler, president of the Family Action Council of Tennessee ironic, that name.
Fowler, a former Tennessee state legislator, posted on his personal Facebook page recently that the National Park Service's "stated reason for the policy is because the animals will grow dependent on handouts and will not learn to take care of themselves," Fowler wrote in the post. "This ends today's lesson."
Fowler apparently thinks that the 1,341,520 Tennesseans who received food stamps in July, the last month for which statistics are available, are less than human.
He says that's not what he meant. That what he meant was that "Government creating human dependence on government demeans human dignity and is antithetical to human freedom government is intended to protect."
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Hmmmm, this quote sounds familiar:
"The lessons of history, confirmed by the evidence immediately before me, show conclusively that continued dependence upon relief induces a spiritual and moral disintegration fundamentally destructive to the national fibre. To dole out relief in this way is to administer a narcotic, a subtle destroyer of the human spirit. It is inimical to the dictates of sound policy. It is in violation of the traditions of America."
-Franklin Delano Roosevelt 1935 State of the Union Address
What the writer leaves out is who is giving the food, and under what circumstances.
I have no problem feeding the hungry, because I feel that I'm required to by my faith.
Having a gun pointed at me and cash removed from my wallet so the hungry can be fed by the government is something else entirely.
“Please don’t feed the animals.”
Should have used:
“Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.”
Libs will always twist and contort another’s statement to suit their perverted political needs.
Food stamps are a farm subsidy administered by the Dept. of Agriculture
The one’s that get me are those that buy steaks and lobster while many working people eat fish sticks and ground beef. Then the steak eaters send the bill to the ground beef eaters.
Food stamps have become a staple to people who haven’t worked in generations; somehow while the media pretends we have “people going to bed hungry” in America we have welfare queens that can’t fit through a double door without turning sideways (and the diabetes “epidemic” to prove it).
Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.
Build a man a fire and you keep him warm for one night. Set the man on fire and you keep him warm for the rest of his life.
When I was young the poor people were skinny and looking for any kind of work. Now the biggest health problem among the poor is obesity and they don’t want any kind of work (It would be a pay cut).
>>Fowler apparently thinks that the 1,341,520 Tennesseans who received food stamps in July, the last month for which statistics are available, are less than human.<<
I would love to see just how many of the 1,341,520 receiving food stamps are actually using them for their designed purpose; and not trading them for cash so they can buy smokes, booze, and drugs.
I’d also like to see just how many of the 1,341,520 are 1) working and just need a little help, 2) out of work and just need a little help, or 3) 3rd or 4th generation shiftless, lazy deadbeats who can work but simply don’t want to because they can milk the system and breed.
Considering that food, second only to air, is one of the highest priorities in survival, every first dollar that every individual has should go towards it.
Food stamps do not subsidize food. An honest person will spend any and every dollar available to feed their family at the expense of comforts and lifestyle.
Food stamps subsidize cell phones and gas, car payments, and everything else that the receiver is then free to spend those first dollars on.
100%. I have no qualms with helping those in need. Those who will never attempt to help themselves is something totally different.
“Give a man a fish and feed him for a day. Don’t teach a man to fish...and feed yourself. He’s a grown man...fishing’s not that hard.” - Ron Swanson
True story - I offered a $13/hr job once to a young lady who applied (factory work). After doing the math, she turned the job down, saying “if I make that much, they’ll take away my HUD assistance, my rent will go up, and my food stamps will go down.”
We’re paying for a generation of losers who have zero incentive to improve their lot in life.
I just wonder how many, in the absence of food stamps, would have gotten off their butt to do what they had to do to get food?
***World's Worst Fisherman*** Award Winner, In Perpetuity.
Now, firearms are a whole 'nother matter...
The War On Poverty has been won by making such work illegal outright (i.e.: minimum wage).
To ward off the inevitable Supreme Court ruling that work associations cannot be prohibited based on arbitrary wage limits, the welfare system guarantees anyone will get a minimum income about 20x that of world median wages.
Ergo poor obesity.
Food stamps are a necessity for many people and I am glad that we have the program for those truly in need. I live in a poor area where I know many families would go hungry without them. That being said, I am tired of 20yr old single mothers buying 12 packs of coke and Haggen Daas ice cream bars at 7-11 using food stamps. Drives me nuts.
One can eat reasonably well on just 25 minutes of minimum wage labor per day. See tagline.
Throw a man in the lake and he won’t need fish for the rest of his life.
Yeah, I think that’s what gets me the most.
Taxpayers are getting pinched (and criticized) so they have to make sacrifices so that the takers can live “higher” than the “givers”.... at gunpoint.
So, did you ever think about combining the two?
Everyone likes to feel good about themselves. Giving to others makes one feel good. It is charitable.
Being forced by Government to ‘give’ is like being held up by a street thug. It is theft. That does not feel good, you feel violated
In Cal. a card, similar to a debit card is given. Liquor stores advertise that they accept these cards. They were being used in casinos and on cruise ships. The author said the program she refers to is only good for 3 years she fails to say that after the 3 years they can reapply. Now that 47% of people receive some type of Gov. assistance it is time to revamp or eliminate these programs.
"I'll give you an extra $20 in Food Stamps if you'll give me cash". When I declined, she moved onto the next in line. I wish I had thought to ask her what her son would be eating during the coming week.
Seems there is an abundance of Food Stamps floating around which can be used to barter for drug money.
OMG. Awwwwwwwwwwwww, now that’s just wrong. And too easy. Even I could do that.
(Are those tuna? With a 12ga/410, they’ll be tunafish casserole in minutes.)
In my area, they use EBT Cards to buy multiple shopping carts full of bags of potato chips, cookies, packages of lobster, ice cream, candy, soft drinks, and then get someone else to buy their liquor/cigs for cash, in a dollar-for-dollar exchange for using the EBT Card to buy them food. What a scam. I called the City Welfare Office to report it, and was told they don’t give a crap. Don’t call us again. Still PMO when I see it happening.
The author is being deliberately misleading when citing the three-year limit. Someone in the comments said the three-year limit only applies to someone without dependents.
LOL, that is hilarious.
Sorry, BL, I just figured out that that pic’s a fishing boat’s netted haul, wedged in between a dock and the boat, and they’re killing them to land them. That 12/410’s gonna ruin a lot of meat.
Should have used:
Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.
Libs will always twist and contort anothers statement to suit their perverted political needs.
I disagree a bit that by teaching a man to fish, you feed him for a lifetime - He feeds himself for a lifetime, which is even better (for both of you).
You also left off the new, last part:
"Create a government program that gives a man a fish every day and you get a reliable Democrat voter for a lifetime (and beyond)."
“Food stamps are a farm subsidy administered by the Dept. of Agriculture “
It’s a subsidy for the whole food industry- including the media that sells them advertising.
Pepsi, Coke, Cheetos and Oreos ads are ultimately paid for with food stamps.
(No, I’ve never heard that in the media either LOL!)
A friend, a single mother, lost her job when the store she worked at closed. The ex is a dead beat, so unemployed with a child to feed, she applied for food stamps. At the initial interview, she asked what happened when she got a new job. How did she go about removing herself from the food stamp program. The interviewer looked at her like she was from another planet. Why on earth would she want to get off food stamps? Obviously he had never been asked that question before.
Even while we were with you, we gave you this command: “Those unwilling to work will not get to eat.” 2 Thessalonians 3:10
Laziness brings on deep sleep, and the shiftless man goes hungry. Proverbs 19:15
Work hard and become a leader; be lazy and become a slave. Proverbs 12:24
He who has been stealing must steal no longer, but must work, doing something useful with his own hands, that he may have something to share with those in need. Ephesians 4:28
Because of our Christian heritage, Americans are a charitable people. Unfortunately, there are folks that have exploited that kindness. That “safety net” has now become a hammock for far too many.
How many of the millions living off of taxpayers are willing to actually get a job and work? I know in my life during rough times I have taken some pretty lowly jobs to survive - delivering phone books, mowing lawns, washing dishes, retail sales and a few others that weren’t so glamorous. The last thing I wanted was to be a burden to someone else.
There is a place for charity - the very young, disabled, or very old may need help. And in an ideal world, the churches, communities and families would take care of those that truly need it, and there would be no need for government theft and handouts. I’m already a giver. If my taxes were cut in half, that would only increase.
There are always jobs and opportunities for those that truly want to work. And if we could ever shrink the government and lower taxes, there would be even more available.
“Food stamps are a necessity for many people and I am glad that we have the program for those truly in need.”
No government program, including Food Stamps, is a necessity.
Charity for the truly hungry and needy is a necessity for any civilized society.
The two are not the same. The former is designed to stifle the latter.
Feeding the hungry is church work, not government work.
Just imagine how united our local communities would be if we took care of each other.
Young women asking for cash don't approach me, ever. I look like I'll suggest a free-market transaction to help them obtain their cash. ;)
And for many they just pop out another child to get a pay raise.
“Seems there is an abundance of Food Stamps floating around which can be used to barter for drug money.”
Food Stamps and Unemployment and other government bennies are supplemental income.
Several time in the past year I’ve looked for project labor, and found that folks are available under-the-table but will not work above-board because “they’ll lose their benefits”.
One can make a good living equivalent to a much much higher earning regular tax-paying American - without the need to file tax paperwork and the pitfalls that follow any IRS scrutiny.
Besides it building community relationships, locals are less likely to fall for a line of BS from a supplicant.
I am so @#$& tired of this.
You are advocating theft.
I've had it with the attitude around here from 'I gots mine' people who are exactly the vile, callous, hateful types Democrats paint conservatives as being. It's sick, it's dehumanizing, it's unproductive.
How can the same people look at the Obama economic record, the drop in labor participation, the lack of job opportunities, the drop in take home pay, the flat-out MISERY in his America and attack once productive fellow Americans, taxpayers, who have be forced into taking food stamps or other assistance just so they can survive so maybe they can get a job and back to productivity.
If you want to do something, if you want to fix this, HIRE or just SHUT UP!
There will always be a tiny group that will take advantage of a system. You and other vicious, angry people are so desperate for your two-minutes hate, you exaggerate that group into some gargantuan menace, a sick, sad fantasy.
Those are not the people who hear you, those are not the people who read your words and feel ashamed they're not earning a paycheck. Those are not the people who've burned through their savings trying to survive the Obama recovery and come up snake eyes looking for work.
It's not at all surprising disability is up. Once you exhausted all savings, once you've sold off your assets, once you've become long term jobless, once you've lost your home once and are choosing between food and shelter, once you've cut back until there is nothing left to cut, you may well be ready to break particularly when jackasses like the many holier-than-thou commenters on this thread have run you down and you look at the news and see no sign of things getting better, as you fruitlessly fill-out job applications you look at your silent emergency phone wondering why no one calls for an interview, you look at politics and see no hope for rebound before you're out of time, out of money, out of patience.
Whatever happened to humility, what happened to, "There but for the grace of God, go I?"
The nastiness I see here says more about those posters' character than it does about those on public assistance under Obama.
True. But they're a luxury for many more who have decided that it's easier to milk the system than to actually earn their keep. Coupled with fraudulent disability claims, HUD assistance, and all the other freebie welfare programs, unemployment has become a lucrative alternative to working.
So, do you think that 75-90% of the recipients of government handouts represents a "tiny" group? Fraud is rampant in all of our welfare programs because there's absolutely NO accountability. Nobody's minding the store. Nobody running these programs gives a fat rat's backside because, after all, it's not THEIR money that's being stolen and redistributed.
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