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The State of the Akin-McCaskill Race (Akin out of money?)
National Review Online ^ | 09/07/12 | Ramesh Ponnuru

Posted on 09/07/2012 1:53:59 PM PDT by TonyInOhio

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To: katiedidit1
Akin voted for Medicare Part D.

In the Republican primary debates he helpfully explained he "barely" voted for it.

Roll Call

151 posted on 09/08/2012 5:08:46 AM PDT by the808bass
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To: John D
“dems turned out for him in the primary, they will never support him in the general.”

Democrats supported Mr. Akin in the primary because they thought he was the weakest candidate. They thought he was the only candidate the McCaskill could defeat.

Democrats will do everything they can to defeat him in the general election.

152 posted on 09/08/2012 5:10:45 AM PDT by detective
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To: katiedidit1
“the establishment is doing great harm to the MO race”

This entire Senate campaign has been a comedy of errors and incompetence by the Republicans. Claire McCaskill is an extremely weak candidate almost certain to lose. The Democrats determined that Mr. Akin was the weakest Republican candidate and helped him win a close three way primary. After Mr. Akin won, the Democrats then worked with the MSM to undermine Mr. Akin. It wasn't difficult.

The Republican establishment then went what I can only describe as insane and attacked and attempted to destroy their own candidate. They took a narrative that could have been diffused and turned it into a huge story. They refused funding for Mr. Akin.

The Democrats are now laughing their butts off. I'm sure even they can't believe the Republicans could be so stupid. A certain loss has been turned into a likely victory.

I think if conservatives work hard and support Mr. Akin he can still win despite all this. McCaskill is an extremely weak candidate. But it will not be easy.

153 posted on 09/08/2012 5:29:06 AM PDT by detective
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To: John D
I would prefer that Akin wins, but while the dems turned out for him in the primary, they will never support him in the general.

And just how do you know that??? They are Democrats and just might forget that it is not the primary and who they are supposed to vote for.

154 posted on 09/08/2012 5:29:09 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: ElectionInspector
....that’s pretty funny moron, apparently you can’t find the conservative in the race and like Pudge Rove are happy to have a leftist get reelected cause the winning candidate wouldn’t do your and the leftist media’s bidding. I guess you haven’t learned much in 10 years on FR... some sloooow learners around here and you’re the leader of the pack.

You're a funny guy. I won't bother explaining my history since you obviously are quick to the trigger regardless. Good luck inspecting elections in TX. My sister is with True the Vote in Houston. Should be lots of fun with the Voter ID block.

155 posted on 09/08/2012 5:34:39 AM PDT by montag813
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To: detective
Democrats supported Mr. Akin in the primary because they thought he was the weakest candidate. They thought he was the only candidate the McCaskill could defeat.

They're supposed to vote for the moderate in an open primary, dang it! No fair, no faaaiiirrr!!!

Waah.

156 posted on 09/08/2012 5:37:40 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: the808bass
In the Republican primary debates he helpfully explained he "barely" voted for it.

It's an honest answer because he opposed it but was lobbied hard by Bush and Rove who demanded he vote for it for the sake of the party and the country.

So then is it a good thing or a bad thing for Akin to now listen to Karl Rove and do what he wants allegedly for the sake of the party and the country???

157 posted on 09/08/2012 5:38:30 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Jonty30

Hopefully Akin will drop out of this thing. If the GOP and outside groups kept funding him the last two weeks, all we would have heard at both conventions is Akin, Akin, Akin. Since everyone in the GOP disowned the guy, including the party itself, the media couldn’t be completely dishonest, so they didn’t cover the guy that much, which was a good thing.

We can’t afford to lose this seat. But if it turns out we do, maybe people and state party leaders will have learned that we can’t nominate dingbats for high profile Senate seats just because they are “really conservative”. The other two candidates in that primary would have been much better candidates. They needed to keep dingbat Akin out of the primary to begin with.


158 posted on 09/08/2012 5:42:19 AM PDT by SteveAustin
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To: Uncle Chip

I don’t care about what Rove thinks. Akin should have gotten out at the first. Not because he misspoke. But because he revealed himself (and his team) as woefully incompetent. I’m sure Mrs. Akin nixed any possibility of that.

Now that he’s in, it’s incumbent upon us to put McCaskill into retirement. And when he loses by double digits on election night, I trust you’ll beat your chest because you stayed true to principles.


159 posted on 09/08/2012 6:06:10 AM PDT by the808bass
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To: RegulatorCountry

You’re obviously not from Missouri. All 3 Republican candidates were conservative. The Democrats picked Akin for their opponent for exactly what he has revealed. He’s tone deaf, a mediocre communicator and takes positions which can be easily characterized as extremist. They were rIght.


160 posted on 09/08/2012 6:11:29 AM PDT by the808bass
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To: the808bass

And just how many terms has Akin been in Congress? Six. Six!

Amazingly stupid remarks on your part. No one retains a House seat for that long by being “tone deaf,” whether you agree with them or not. You obviously do not.

... which gets us down to brass tacks, you want a moderate.


161 posted on 09/08/2012 6:23:34 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: the808bass
I don’t care about what Rove thinks.

You apparently do because you want what he thinks.

Akin should have gotten out at the first.

Why??? Because those who didn't vote for him and didn't want him to win demanded it???

Not because he misspoke. But because he revealed himself (and his team) as woefully incompetent.

Is that the same team that won him the primary and brought his numbers back up in the polls???

I’m sure Mrs. Akin nixed any possibility of that.

And that's relevant why???

Now that he’s in, it’s incumbent upon us to put McCaskill into retirement. And when he loses by double digits on election night ....

Well for someone with an incumbency upon them you sure do have a losing attitude.

162 posted on 09/08/2012 6:26:40 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: RegulatorCountry

Pinochet would win in that district with an R after his name. I live in the adjacent district and we had a Carnahan for quite a few terms. Because he had a D after his name. Do you not understand how most House Districts work.


163 posted on 09/08/2012 6:35:22 AM PDT by the808bass
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To: the808bass
Akin has won several elections in MO and he won them by large margins. He is a strong conservative. On the other hand we have a man favored by the moderate republicans running for president that is not a conservative.
Akin has a masters in divinity and a degree in engineering. He voted against Bush's Leave No Child Behind, Medicare D despite pressure and late night phone calls to go along. Strong convictions? yes. Right on his nay votes? yes. Won elections in MO by large margins? yes. The GOP had a knee jerk reaction and if Akin loses they are responsible too.
164 posted on 09/08/2012 6:39:11 AM PDT by katiedidit1
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To: RegulatorCountry
I don't agree ! There are plenty of examples right and left of long serving “Tone Deaf Congress Critters. (Note I include the Senate in this statement! Look at Biden’s career for Pete's Sake!) I think Akin had the good fortune and misfortune to have a district that was very safe for a conservative candidate. It never challenged him to develop the political skills simultaneously maintain his principles and successfully express it to a wider audience. It looks like he has learned from this experience. I hope so!
He needs to stay away from unscripted media venues, smile & kiss babies. Let McCaskill’s natural loathsomeness defeat her.

I will say this having your son & wife as your “professional” campaign staff is simply unprofessional! Where is he going to get unbiased opinions and strategies? Not from a son & wife ! (If this is true I found it difficult to believe!)
It also looks like the movie caricature of some crooked politician. The crooked governor from the movie “Brother Where Art Thou” comes to mind!

165 posted on 09/08/2012 6:39:46 AM PDT by Reily
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To: Uncle Chip

Akin will get almost 100% of the Republican voters - 40%.

He will pick up a portion of independents - 3 to 4%.

McCaskill will win by double digits. You don’t win elections by alienating your base and you don’t win elections by alienating independents. Akin did the latter.

You continue to focus the blame on GOPe. It’s the independents who will decide the election. And it was Akin who went on Jaco’s show. When his staff was asked why they bothered to do his show, they responded he was “fair” to them in the primary. That’s a rookie mistake from a 6-term Congressman.

He’s a principled man who is a crappy politician who is running for a political job.


166 posted on 09/08/2012 6:45:33 AM PDT by the808bass
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To: the808bass

This is all about political correctness, and there’s only one right answer to it.

When a good conservative candidate is targeted by the left for voicing perfectly legitimate speech, conservatives and the GOP should circle the wagons and go all out in support of the candidate, including money bombs and funding increases from the top levels of the GOP.

What I’ve seen is a tail-between-the-legs surrender by people like Limbaugh and all the talk show hosts, including Hannity, who parrot him.

Everyday conservatives like us should go back to our independence of mind and get ourselves unstuck from this mess of political correctness.


167 posted on 09/08/2012 6:48:13 AM PDT by reasonisfaith (Why do you seek the living among the dead? (Luke 24:5))
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To: katiedidit1

Now you’re just lying. I already posted the Roll Call for Medicare D. He voted for it.

Akin won his primary for his District by 1%. That’s the real election. Check out his district’s election this November. His replacement will “win big.” That has more to do with demographics than her political skill. All you have to do is keep your nose clean.


168 posted on 09/08/2012 6:51:39 AM PDT by the808bass
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To: the808bass

It’s McCaskill or Akin. You continue to undermine Akin. Therefore you are a de facto McCaskill supporter. Dispense with the rationalizations.


169 posted on 09/08/2012 6:51:39 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: the808bass

You are right. My mistake.


170 posted on 09/08/2012 6:51:51 AM PDT by katiedidit1
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To: RegulatorCountry

I’m undermining Akin by posting facts on Free Republic? Is his campaign allergic to facts? You’re a funny cat.


171 posted on 09/08/2012 6:57:21 AM PDT by the808bass
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To: the808bass

YOU are the liar. I am NO fan of McCaskills by defacto or any other means. Akin is a good conservative. I am behind him 100%. The election is between Claire and Todd..period. We know where they both stand and the choice is clear.
I posted the vote on Medicare D was my mistake. He has won other eelections by large margins excluding the last one in which 3 candidates competed and that is a fact.


172 posted on 09/08/2012 7:01:05 AM PDT by katiedidit1
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To: katiedidit1
Elections and most have been won by good margins.Elections In 2000, Akin ran in the Republican primary election to fill the seat vacated by U.S. Representative Jim Talent who was running for governor. Light voter turnout caused by heavy rains helped Akin win the tight, five-way primary by just 56 votes; he defeated two better-known candidates, former St. Louis County Executive Gene McNary and State Senator Franc Flotron.[2][19][20] On the night he won the primary, Akin said, "My base will show up in earthquakes."[14] He defeated Democratic State Senator Ted House in the general election, winning 55 percent of the vote.[21] He never faced another contest even that close, and was reelected five times. In 2010, Akin won re-election with 67.9% of the vote.[22] He had been challenged for the seat by Democratic nominee Arthur Lieber, Libertarian nominee Steve Mosbacher, and write-in candidate Patrick M. Cannon.
173 posted on 09/08/2012 7:06:47 AM PDT by katiedidit1
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To: the808bass
Elections and most have been won by good margins.Elections In 2000, Akin ran in the Republican primary election to fill the seat vacated by U.S. Representative Jim Talent who was running for governor. Light voter turnout caused by heavy rains helped Akin win the tight, five-way primary by just 56 votes; he defeated two better-known candidates, former St. Louis County Executive Gene McNary and State Senator Franc Flotron.[2][19][20] On the night he won the primary, Akin said, "My base will show up in earthquakes."[14] He defeated Democratic State Senator Ted House in the general election, winning 55 percent of the vote.[21] He never faced another contest even that close, and was reelected five times. In 2010, Akin won re-election with 67.9% of the vote.[22] He had been challenged for the seat by Democratic nominee Arthur Lieber, Libertarian nominee Steve Mosbacher, and write-in candidate Patrick M. Cannon.
174 posted on 09/08/2012 7:08:49 AM PDT by katiedidit1
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To: the808bass

The paucity of facts undermining McCaskill in your replies is readily apparent to everyone but you. Tone deaf much?


175 posted on 09/08/2012 7:10:07 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: the808bass
He will pick up a portion of independents - 3 to 4%.

Ohhh Please. Independents in Missouri tend to be more conservative than even Republicans. And 70% of voters turned out to vote down Obamacare in Missouri, aka ClaireCare, and that 70% firgure included a whole lot of Independents and a even a bevy of Democrats.

You've been living in Carnahan's shadow too long to know what's going on in the sunshine.

176 posted on 09/08/2012 7:15:35 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: reasonisfaith

It’s not “all” about political correctness. It’s about communicating your values to voters. There’s millions of people who are extremely principled people who aren’t politicians because they’re poor communicators. You cannot be a successful politician and be a poor communicator.

And I’ll let you in on a secret, this interview was in the can for several days and Akin’s team didn’t get out in front of it.

It’s a bumbling team of tone-deaf nepotism.


177 posted on 09/08/2012 7:17:42 AM PDT by the808bass
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To: Uncle Chip

By 3-4%, I meant of the total electorate. Not 3-4% of independents.


178 posted on 09/08/2012 7:26:11 AM PDT by the808bass
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To: the808bass
By 3-4%, I meant of the total electorate. Not 3-4% of independents.

That's still too low, given that 20% of the electorate in Missouri are Independents -- and 100% of them voted against ClaireCare and most will do so again in November.

179 posted on 09/08/2012 7:37:26 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Evil Slayer
No, he didn't count on dems to win.

Well he would have never won without their support. Do you think he will get their support in Nov? I don't. If he would just think about the country instead of just himself the Republicans would definitely pick this seat up and he could run again later. With him continually thinking of only himself we will lose this seat.
180 posted on 09/08/2012 7:44:15 AM PDT by John D
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To: cynwoody

Your post is the fairest summary of the event that I have seen.


Thank you for your encouraging words. I speak from my personal experiences.

I was a volunteer for the Enz campaign and I was at her campaign office the morning the KMOX reporter was there. I know the listener who received the crude email from Jaco.

I watched the Akin interview and was relieved that Jaco didn’t appear to lambast Akin as I suspected he would. I was appalled when I later saw reports of how Akin’s words were distorted by naysayers and used to vilify him.

I don’t know Akin personally but it’s obvious that the Republican Party has attempted to oust Akin because he’s a man of principle and faith and does not kowtow to their edicts. Anyone with an ounce of common sense can see that they are willing to condemn Akin’s political career in order to replace him with someone who will be in lockstep with their agenda to achieve power.

Those who are railing against Akin are either more Republican than Conservative OR they lack discernment and the intellect to think for themselves.


181 posted on 09/08/2012 7:48:58 AM PDT by Jonah Vark (Any 5th grader knows that the Constitution declares the separation of powers.)
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To: detective

How tragic that if Romney wins, we still lose the Senate and the entire Repub agenda because of one stupid man like Akin.


182 posted on 09/08/2012 7:49:31 AM PDT by pabianice (washington, dc ..)
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To: Uncle Chip

McCaskill is a skilled politician. Most Missourians view her as a moderate despite her extremist voting record.

If Akin can manage to make the discussion about Obamacare, he can win the election. But the Missouri press won’t help him and he has -$3,000. You can’t buy many ads with -$3,000.


183 posted on 09/08/2012 8:27:04 AM PDT by the808bass
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To: SteveAustin; All
maybe people and state party leaders will have learned that we can’t nominate dingbats for high profile Senate seats just because they are “really conservative”.

And maybe not. We didn't learn it in 2010 with Sharron Angle in NV against Harry Reid. Nor did we learn from Christine O'Donnell in Delaware. We'll keep shooting ourselves in the foot until we're permanently crippled.
184 posted on 09/08/2012 9:35:40 AM PDT by oliviasdad (Sarah Palin for Eunergy Secretary / Newt for Sec. of State / Rand Paul for Head of Fed. Res.)
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To: Jonty30

MOST women don’t get pregnant EVERY time they have sex. MOST women who are raped DONT get pregnant. Find out the facts AGAIN!


185 posted on 09/08/2012 10:43:20 AM PDT by huldah1776
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To: Evil Slayer

Missouri is a swing state. Kansas City and St louis are the dem havens, as with most cities. They voted in McKill and the grand zero. I was devastated. It’s just like living in pennsylvania with pittsburgh and philthadelphia (minus the history).


186 posted on 09/08/2012 10:48:51 AM PDT by huldah1776
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To: TonyInOhio

National Review which threw in the towel on culture years ago wants Akin out

as Joe Wilson says...”They Lie”

they did this to Newt too

asshats

they and Weekly Standard


187 posted on 09/08/2012 10:54:05 AM PDT by wardaddy (this white hair don't cover up my redneck......)
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To: oliviasdad
We'll keep shooting ourselves in the foot until we're permanently crippled.

By "We" may I assume you mean the party bosses and consultants in Washington, like Karl Rove issuing murder threat jokes, who have more negative things to say about conservative GOP candidates than they do of the opposition???

BTW Welcome to Freerepublic

Since 09-01-2012

Will you be staying past the election???

188 posted on 09/08/2012 10:58:16 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Jonty30
It’s because of his idiot words about how raped women don’t get pregnant.

He didn't say that....he said some women have a tendency for their reproductive system to reject fertilization during traumatic intercourse such as "legitimate rape" based on a study by a Doctor Wilke ...a study of course challenged by pro abortion forces since rape exclusion is a wedge they use to keep infanticide alive

Wilke's study estimates that pregnancies from rape are no more than 2%

The average woman who has non rape intercourse from ages 18-30 with a tadpole laden partner on average 3 times a week has a 25% chance to get pregnant each month

I think he could have expressed himself better no question and would have done best to simply saw that if we don't execute the rapist then why execute the baby?

but the disgusting avalanche heaped upon him by the social moderates on our side was quite telling

and remains so

conservatism is about truth and accuracy, it's not complicated but it's rarely in evidence much anymore when GOP establishment types are as hysterical as the kooks we just saw in Charlotte

189 posted on 09/08/2012 11:04:49 AM PDT by wardaddy (this white hair don't cover up my redneck......)
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To: gura; Uncle Chip
...deep in the Romney camp and can save us.

ROTFLMAOPIMP...so now on Free Republic being deep in the Romney camp is considered a good thing?

that is hysterical...I mean really

plenty fine folks were zotted for less a screed than that just 2 months ago

Mitt Romney is a bonafide liberal to moderate jackass who may know a thing or two about finance...that is it and by being that he is preferable to Obama

it is nothing more than that and don't try to make him the second coming like freepers do every flavor of the month that comes along

best thing about Romney is he's not Obama, second best...he nominated Ryan

190 posted on 09/08/2012 11:14:14 AM PDT by wardaddy (this white hair don't cover up my redneck......)
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To: Uncle Chip

By “we” I meant the Republican Party. That would include The GOP establishment (RINOs) and the rank-and-file who keep electing candidates in the Primary, who are good people but are not up to the task of winning “The Big One” when the time comes. I hope like everything that Mr. Akin wins. I loathe Claire McCaskill. But, I would not bet my next paycheck on it. Will I be here after the Election? Well, I’ll wait and see how lively the place is after the Election. I’m a political junkie. If the place is “jumping” I’ll be here. If it’s dead, I’ll go back to playing Solitaire on line. (Smiling)


191 posted on 09/08/2012 12:10:53 PM PDT by oliviasdad (Sarah Palin for Eunergy Secretary / Newt for Sec. of State / Rand Paul for Head of Fed. Res.)
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To: Uncle Chip

The accusation is true. I have no intention of backing down from it nor apologizing for it.

Allow me to lump all Akintards into one broad category. Collectively, slime like you have argued the following...

a. Akin was correct in what he said. He has nothing to apologize for.

b. Akin apologized. Let’s move on.

c. Akin did nothing wrong/said nothing wrong. Any problems are solely the fault of the “GOP establishment”.

So, what will be the next official line from you guys? Or will you keep spitting out the same excuses - like the ones I’ve mentioned above?

I don’t believe he’ll win in November. He’s still low on cash. And no, not all of the polls show him winning.

As I mentioned in a post about two weeks ago (directed to donozark), Todd Akin is toejam. So are his supporters. They’re the kind of thing I’d find on the bottom of a boot while walking across a hog production facility.

If Akin does lose in November, it certainly wouldn’t be attributed to the candidate or his intelligence-challenged supporters - like you, JediJones, Mike Huckabee, etc. Instead, it’ll be blamed on “RINO’s” like me or the “GOP establishment”.

Having said all that, if I were a Missourian, I’d vote for Akin - solely because McCaskill is a very bad alternative. But if he should drop out, I wouldn’t be in the least bit sorry. In fact, I’d be happy.


192 posted on 09/08/2012 4:57:09 PM PDT by MplsSteve (General Mills is pro-gay marriage! Boycott their products!)
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To: the808bass

In other words, what you’re saying is that whenever the left bombards us with accusations driven by political correctness, we should join them in the assault against our own.


193 posted on 09/08/2012 7:48:28 PM PDT by reasonisfaith (Why do you seek the living among the dead? (Luke 24:5))
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To: reasonisfaith

If I meant to say that I would’ve said that.

If I was being uncharitable towards your position, I’d make a mockery of it like you did. I.e., “so we can just run stupid people who can’t talk as long as they have principles?”

The Biblical admonition for the Rev. Akin is to be as wise as a serpent and as harmless as a dove. I think he failed in that. We’re not going to get the rules changed for us. And we don’t have to change our positions. But we have to be smart enough to communicate them.

Let’s be clear. The interviewer is a known quantity here in St. Louis. He’s somewhere to the left of Stalin. He’s had frequent almost violent confrontations with Tea Partiers. For Akin to walk into that interview without a good answer for the abortion question he had to know was coming is simply inexcusable for a career politician. No ifs, ands, or buts.


194 posted on 09/08/2012 11:28:31 PM PDT by the808bass
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To: detective

If I recall correctly, it was in the open preliminaries that the REPUBLICANS were told to vote democrat to get rid of Hillary. The Hillary express by sorry hannity. So until the ridiculous open primary laws are changed, games will be played and the whole nation loses.


195 posted on 09/09/2012 5:37:51 AM PDT by huldah1776
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To: MplsSteve
As I mentioned in a post about two weeks ago (directed to donozark), Todd Akin is toejam. So are his supporters. They’re the kind of thing I’d find on the bottom of a boot while walking across a hog production facility.

Thank you for telling us how you really feel about Akin supporters???

196 posted on 09/09/2012 5:46:38 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: the808bass

“For Akin to walk into that interview without a good answer for the abortion question he had to know was coming is simply inexcusable for a career politician.”

If Akin wins, your words become meaningless.

The only thing preventing an Akin victory now is conservatives who can’t admit they were wrong, so they unknowingly do the work of the Stalinists.


197 posted on 09/09/2012 7:25:20 AM PDT by reasonisfaith (Why do you seek the living among the dead? (Luke 24:5))
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To: wardaddy

“I think he could have expressed himself better no question and would have done best to simply saw that if we don’t execute the rapist then why execute the baby?”

That is actually pretty profound. I will remember that one.


198 posted on 09/09/2012 6:23:36 PM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: Tau Food
I never said Akin isn't a fighter. I said he is gong to lose because he has no money. Obama would lose if he had no money.

I don't care how principled one is, if you don't have money, you will lose. This has nothing to do with whether he has a spine of steel or how much pressure he can take.

First of all, this is not a short term hardship - there are less than 60 days to the election and every day that goes by, there are less undecideds.

I don't mind cheerleaders, but I do mind people who can't objectively measure a situation. I am sympathetic to Akin, and would vote for him if I lived in Missouri, but most voters don't like voting for an idiot. See, other voters think they are principled, too, but may not have the same principles as you.

If Akin wins, it will be in spite of his idiocy.

199 posted on 09/09/2012 6:41:01 PM PDT by Dave W
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