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Paul Ryan Says Feds Shouldn’t Interfere With Legalized Medical Pot
KCBS ^ | September 7, 2012

Posted on 09/07/2012 6:59:04 PM PDT by Ken H

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To: listenhillary
The only purpose for which power can be rightfully exercised over any member of a civilized community, against his will, is to prevent harm to others.

John Stuart Mill was not a founder of the USA and that idea you quoted is not in the Constitution or any of our founding documents.

51 posted on 09/07/2012 7:51:59 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Kansas58; HiTech RedNeck
FYI, here's information about the STEPS program, which is required for dispensing Thalomid:

http://www.thalomid.com/pdf/Instructions%20for%20Prescribers%20THA05056R1%2002-07.pdf

52 posted on 09/07/2012 7:52:56 PM PDT by justlurking (The only remedy for a bad guy with a gun is a good WOMAN (Sgt. Kimberly Munley) with a gun)
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To: GeronL

Still an authoritarian statist who hates the Constitution and liberty, I see.

Some things never change, do they G?


53 posted on 09/07/2012 7:53:23 PM PDT by Emperor Palpatine (I need a good stiff drink. How 'bout you?)
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To: Ken H
Isn't Ryan the same guy who wants to "save" Socialist Security to "preserve it" for the next generation?

Shouldn't states have a right to choose whether they want Social Security or not?

54 posted on 09/07/2012 7:55:41 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Kansas58

The thalidomide part confused me.


55 posted on 09/07/2012 7:56:19 PM PDT by DManA
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To: GeronL

Your mother dropped you on your head a few times, right?


56 posted on 09/07/2012 7:56:19 PM PDT by Emperor Palpatine (I need a good stiff drink. How 'bout you?)
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To: Kansas58

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2011/09/21/what-you-eat-affects-your-genes-rna-from-rice-can-survive-digestion-and-alter-gene-expression/ ~ this study was done on rice miRNAs which can travel to every part of your body and change your mind! What do you imagine MJ is doing?


57 posted on 09/07/2012 7:56:30 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Truth is a Weapon

“Ryan just won us CO and CA”

You’re behind the times. The blatantly illegal “medical marijuana” experiment has been a dismal failure in Los Angeles (home to three million Californians). And this isn’t just me talking. The screaming citizenry has awakened, and we’re moving to get rid of this scourge.

We hate, hate, hate what these dirtbag criminal “collectives” and their equally dirtbag criminal “patients” have done to our neighborhoods.

Every neighborhood that isn’t Beverly Hills has been invaded by these drug dens, and the increase in crime, decay and antisocial behavior is patently manifest.

So, BY POPULAR DEMAND, ALL YOU LIBERTARIANS WHO INSIST ‘THE PEOPLE’ WANT MARIJUANA LEGALIZED, the City of Los Angeles has just banned these drug dens. Get ready for sweeping enforcement in the coming months to shut them down and kick them out.

And any city that’s considering giving in to the criminals and potheads? You. Will. Rue. The. Day.

Marijuana is a menace, and decent people aren’t havin’ it.


58 posted on 09/07/2012 8:04:48 PM PDT by Blue Ink
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To: redlegplanner

Perhaps we might, if we ever elect a real conservative to the presidency.

But first, Obama and the dems must be removed from power.


59 posted on 09/07/2012 8:07:32 PM PDT by Gator113 (I would have voted for NEWT, now it's Ryan and the other guy.~Just livin' life, my way~)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

For men taking thalidomide:
Thalidomide is present in semen (fluid containing sperm that is released through the penis during orgasm). You must either use a latex condom or completely avoid any sexual contact with a woman who is pregnant or may become pregnant while you are taking this medication and for 4 weeks after your treatment. This is required even if you have had a vasectomy

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0001053/


60 posted on 09/07/2012 8:07:49 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT (The best is the enemy of the good!)
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To: Ken H

He’s right.


61 posted on 09/07/2012 8:12:03 PM PDT by ZULU (See: http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=D9vQt6IXXaM&hd)
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To: Blue Ink
and Lortab, Oxycodone, Darvon, Percocet ——???

You are ridiculous.

62 posted on 09/07/2012 8:12:41 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: Ken H

I agree with Ryan. Either you have states rights under a federal government or you do not. We have lost more rights and freedoms under the “War on Drugs” than we can bear as a free people.


63 posted on 09/07/2012 8:13:29 PM PDT by WMarshal (Free citizen, never a subject or a civilian)
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To: snarkytart

Yes they are.. and far more dangerous than pot.


64 posted on 09/07/2012 8:13:56 PM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: Ken H

Let the states decide what medicinal herbs their citizens can smoke. It’s their medical right.


65 posted on 09/07/2012 8:14:35 PM PDT by pallis
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To: Blue Ink

Grow up.

My dad died of cancer, and weed was the only thing that got him through the pain and nausea at the end.

Referring to a wonderful man, who flew 33 times ove the Reich in a freezing B-17, raised a family, and obeyed the law as a responsible home-owning citizen all his life as an “equally dirtbag criminal “patient” is about as low as one can go.

You are a hateful ignorant individual, who wouldn’t have been worthy to hold his hat.

Jagoff!


66 posted on 09/07/2012 8:16:25 PM PDT by Emperor Palpatine (I need a good stiff drink. How 'bout you?)
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To: Blue Ink
You’re behind the times. The blatantly illegal “medical marijuana” experiment has been a dismal failure in Los Angeles (home to three million Californians)...Every neighborhood that isn’t Beverly Hills has been invaded by these drug dens, and the increase in crime, decay and antisocial behavior is patently manifest.

Did it ever occur to you that maybe it's just that LA, itself, is a sh*thole full of anti-social criminals to begin with? I live in Nor Cal, and we haven't seen any problems with the medical marijuana dispensaries. My town actually banned the dispensaries, but people can still grow it, and I know quite a few who do - good, upstanding, productive members of society who have jobs and families.

Having said that, even your case in LA shows that the system is working as intended. In other words, LA tried out the MM thing, saw problems, and banned it, while other, less ridiculous communities tried it and it worked just fine. All the MM law does is remove the one-size-fits-all mentality of the insane drug laws. The fed should have nothing to say about any of it, if we actually followed the Constitution, and that wouldn't make it all legal, that would simply leave the decision to state and local governments AS IT WAS MEANT TO BE.
67 posted on 09/07/2012 8:16:53 PM PDT by fr_freak
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To: Kansas58

“signs must be posted in the home of anyone taking Thalidomide.”

This is very intriguing! Can you post where this requirement comes from?


68 posted on 09/07/2012 8:19:32 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: Kansas58

>> Why do I care if my position makes some hippie happy?
>> On this issue, the “hippies” are RIGHT!

Why taint an otherwise good post with a reference to hippies?


69 posted on 09/07/2012 8:20:45 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: DBrow

The drug company, and that companies liability insurance carriers.

Another poster has provided a link that you might find helpful.


70 posted on 09/07/2012 8:23:33 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: Emperor Palpatine
Sorry for the loss of your Dad. Thanks to him and others like my husband's Dad for their selfless service to this country in WWII.

My step Dad was a Korea and Vietnam vet... Master Sargent Air Force... He died in his early 60's. His heart was bad. Doctors said the stress of so many years of combat took it's toll. He use to tell me that the planes they had to get on during the Vietnam/Cambodian missions were so bad they would pretty much tie one on before their mission. They were flying and yes they were flying. Sorry to pierce the purity of some who think it's all about prim and proper, but these guys were balls to the wall and I don't fault any ONE of them that drank a bit of Jack Daniels or smoked a joint before going into what could be their last moment on earth. Flame away, anyone who denies this was the norm is a liar.

71 posted on 09/07/2012 8:24:18 PM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: Kansas58

I think I just read that there is move to stop using Percocet and the various codeine and acetaminophen compounds because the presence of high levels of acetaminophen was too dangerous.

I’ve never heard of kidney damage from marijuana, yet acetaminophen is available OTC.


72 posted on 09/07/2012 8:24:28 PM PDT by reformedliberal
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To: Ken H

The Feds keep marijuana on the class-1 substance list—or whatever it’s called—as justification for not relinquishing control to the States. This is the heart of the problem IMO.


73 posted on 09/07/2012 8:25:54 PM PDT by GSWarrior (Businessmen are more trustworthy than professors, politicians and preachers.)
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To: dalereed

It wasn’t good. It was all about taking out cartel rivals. What, you don’t think they’re that corrupt? Dig into Fast and Furious a bit more...


74 posted on 09/07/2012 8:25:59 PM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yes sir, it was a politically smart thing to say. For the next few weeks that’s all that matters.

(from the article)
“Ryan said that the federal government shouldn’t interfere with states that have legalized medical marijuana.

“Ryan told KRDO-TV in Colorado Springs that he personally doesn’t approve of medical marijuana laws. But he said that states should have the right to choose whether to legalize the drug for medical purposes.

“Ryan said the issue would not be a priority for a Mitt Romney administration.”

From some of the thoughts expressed here, you’d think he had proposed putting road-kill hobos in school lunches.


75 posted on 09/07/2012 8:27:19 PM PDT by tumblindice (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: Gator113

correct.

step 1 of hole filling: stop digging


76 posted on 09/07/2012 8:29:18 PM PDT by redlegplanner ( No Representation without Taxation)
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To: reformedliberal
The tylenol, acetaminophen damage can awful, to your liver.

Many OTC drugs are more dangerous than pot.

77 posted on 09/07/2012 8:29:32 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: GeronL
How about tobacco and booze?

Murder em all?

Reefer Madness was NOT a documentary!

God made cannabis.

God is good.

God is Love.

Keep your hate to yourself please.

78 posted on 09/07/2012 8:29:32 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist (I'd rather have a bottle in front of me, than a Barack 0b0tt0my!)
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To: antceecee

My dad used to tell me that when they landed after a mission and went to interrogation, the G-2 and group intel officers gave everyone three shots of whiskey.

Not only to relax them after flying through flak and cold for hours on end, but to loosen their tongues for the questioning, hehehe.


79 posted on 09/07/2012 8:30:27 PM PDT by Emperor Palpatine (I need a good stiff drink. How 'bout you?)
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To: rawcatslyentist

I know a lot of potheads

That is why I don’t like it

I never said anything about killing potheads, I was talking about the plants.


80 posted on 09/07/2012 8:32:43 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: dalereed
As usual I agree with you but we will be thrown into a marginalized state, even here on FR.

The rationalization, degradation and risk to our young seems to be driven by folks with some kind of demonic possession type glee IMO!!!

The temptation of wildly challenging of any and all traditional taboos is reaching a crushendo in our beloved country. Sad day in the morning!!!

81 posted on 09/07/2012 8:34:29 PM PDT by SierraWasp (Government it'self is the REAL "Free Rider!" Obamacare will create burdensome "Free Riding!!!")
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To: Blue Ink
Better stay out of Colorado. Rasmussen June 09, 2012:

61% in Colorado Favor Legalizing, Regulating Marijuana (27% against)

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_state_surveys/colorado/61_in_colorado_favor_legalizing_regulating_marijuana

82 posted on 09/07/2012 8:34:34 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: GeronL

I know a few progressives who loathe Ryan who will have to begrudgingly agree with him on this issue. That’s a good thing IMO.


83 posted on 09/07/2012 8:38:00 PM PDT by GSWarrior (Businessmen are more trustworthy than professors, politicians and preachers.)
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To: SierraWasp
You must think Clarence Thomas is a lieutenant to Old Scratch himself...

Respondents Diane Monson and Angel Raich use marijuana that has never been bought or sold, that has never crossed state lines, and that has had no demonstrable effect on the national market for marijuana. If Congress can regulate this under the Commerce Clause, then it can regulate virtually anything–and the Federal Government is no longer one of limited and enumerated powers.

Justice Thomas, dissenting in Gonzales v Raich.

84 posted on 09/07/2012 8:41:51 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: GeronL

That’s a characteristic of Leftism, not Libertarianism. It’s important you remember that.


85 posted on 09/07/2012 8:42:14 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: Brad from Tennessee
I agree but it needs to be sold in a pharmacy rather than some storefront that looks like a Haight-Ashbury head shop.

With all due respect, that is exactly what I don't want. I don't want the government in charge of the creation and distribution. In no time the gig will be rigged for the benefit of only a few large manufacturers/distributors ala the three tiered system for beer (watch the documentary "Beer Wars" by a former Sam Adams VP) that locks out smaller breweries from getting much, if any, cooler space in stores.

Whether people are for or against pot the fact is it is a plant that a personal user could grow for their own supply and distribute the rest, the total being (personal/sell) affixed to a yield limit. Create tax stamps that need to be paid for in advance by the grower and if anyone is caught with a standardized "baggie" that doesn't have said stamp affixed then a HUGE fine is imposed. The key is the tax duty is on the user. If you have a tax stamp then you are in the clear. If you don't then you've got a problem. In the end the government gets their bread, the smoker gets a huge marketplace to choose from and the power of pot cartels go out the window (and a good majority of the corresponding crime.)

Sure the cartels would shake down some larger sellers but anyone that has their own small circle of pot growing friends will have a self-perpetuating supply and would be more than happy to deal with friends vs. fringe criminal elements and thus would actually abide by the tax stamp requirement. There would still need to be law enforcement but it would be aimed primarily at the cartel levels. Government income, less crime, better quality.

86 posted on 09/07/2012 8:42:45 PM PDT by torchthemummy (Calvin Coolidge - "Patriotism is looking out for yourself by looking out for your Country.")
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To: Ken H

^facepalm*


87 posted on 09/07/2012 8:44:39 PM PDT by darkangel82 (I don't have a superiority complex, I'm just better than you.)
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To: Kansas58

Not all babies whose mother took thalidamide were affected. My cousin took it before both her children were born and they were fine.


88 posted on 09/07/2012 8:49:54 PM PDT by jch10 (America needs some R and R!)
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To: tumblindice

Ryan’s position is his affirmation of Justice Clarence Thomas’ dissent in ‘US vs Raich’. It merely allows states to act as a test laboratory for such things, set apart from the Commerce Clause. Anyone screaming about medical marijuana clinics should be equally against states like Idaho declaring that in-state manufactured firearms are exempt from Federal taxation or prohibition. This all came out of ‘DC vs Heller’.

Recently, Raich took hits in the US Supreme Court contrasting to how SCOTUS ruled in previous years in remanding ‘US vs Stewart’ back down to the 9th Circuit Court in light of Raich, for instance. The whole thing needs to be revisited because much of what the case law against medical marijuana and private ownership of machine guns were founded upon would likely lose in front of this high court should they be argued again soon.

Conservatives just can’t pick and choose from a smorgasbord of Constitutional values and stay consistent, such as calling on limited government that only has the bare minimum prescribed powers, yet is powerful enough to send swarms of agents against cultivators of illicit shrubbery, even through the use of insidious airborne biological agents as one berserk poster in this thread wishes to do. How do sane people reconcile such nonsense?


89 posted on 09/07/2012 8:50:05 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid (Semper Fi)
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To: tumblindice

Has Drudge picked up on it yet?


90 posted on 09/07/2012 8:50:14 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: Ken H

You beat me to it.


91 posted on 09/07/2012 8:51:23 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid (Semper Fi)
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To: jch10

Was she in England?
It was not available in the United States.


92 posted on 09/07/2012 8:53:11 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: GeronL
Almost as bad!

You want to destroy the first gift of our Creator!

Gen1:29
And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed,

Abuse is bad, so is persecution. This substance needs to be taken back from the criminals. If taken out of the criminal element it is truly a blessing.

93 posted on 09/07/2012 8:53:34 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist (I'd rather have a bottle in front of me, than a Barack 0b0tt0my!)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

lol, for a common weed that would grow in a parking lot if left unattended?

Legalize it, embrace it and lets make some good rope.


94 posted on 09/07/2012 8:54:58 PM PDT by Usagi_yo
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To: rawcatslyentist

lol. You are ridiculous.

Cannabis today bears little resemblance in potency to that of just 40 years ago and you want to pretend it was around the same a million years ago?


95 posted on 09/07/2012 8:56:36 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Ken H

Well, perhaps Venice, CA will go GOP this year. LOL


96 posted on 09/07/2012 8:58:22 PM PDT by doug from upland (I don't like RINOs, but I love my country more than I hate Romney...Muslim marxist, get out!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Didn’t see it, but saw this. http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-pot-delivery-20120907,0,6377677.story

Yeah, if Ryan can paint Obama & Co. as an Orwellian `boot stamping on an innocent pot plant—forever,’ hey, cool.
Uh whut?
I’m having a small scotch and hitting the rack.


97 posted on 09/07/2012 8:58:31 PM PDT by tumblindice (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: GeronL

The Democrat party just added a plank to their platform demanding tax payer funded abortion on demand up-to birth.

You are busy every day actively propagandize for the Democrat party. You are actively helping spread the pro Abortion agenda by your daily actions

So spare us the hysteric fraudulent “moral” posturing Dembot.


98 posted on 09/07/2012 9:00:31 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Yo..SoFloFreeper!
Couldn’t agree more!! This isn’t about MM it’s ALL about states rights. Ryan has this exactly right. This is a state issue as are so many others!


99 posted on 09/07/2012 9:00:48 PM PDT by Cookies4ever
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To: Blue Ink

Ignorance is bliss eh? The reason why it gets so bad with drug dens is that it’s still illegal. Legalize it.

Legalize pot, outlaw ignorance.


100 posted on 09/07/2012 9:02:31 PM PDT by Usagi_yo
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