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NY police accidentally shoot shop worker to death
wpxi.com ^ | 7 Sept 2012 | Alex Katz

Posted on 09/07/2012 8:29:21 PM PDT by smokingfrog

NEW YORK — A police officer shot and killed a convenience store worker who plowed into him on a sidewalk while frantically fleeing an armed robbery early Friday, a sudden encounter that the police department called a tragic accident.

Three men taken into custody at the shop after the shooting were charged with murder, robbery and weapons possession, prosecutors said.

Dramatic security video released by police shows the uniformed officer, his gun drawn, positioned outside the Bronx shop's front door moments after a 911 call. In a flash, the store manager rushes out the door. Closely behind with his head down is Renaldo Cuevas, who runs full speed into the officer, sending both men tumbling to the sidewalk.

A pool of blood appears to form on the ground the instant Cuevas lands on his back. The officer is kneeling and pointing his semiautomatic at Cuevas when the video clip ends.

Investigators believe the impact of Cuevas running into the officer caused him to fire one round, striking the 20-year-old victim in the left shoulder, police Commissioner Raymond Kelly said at a news conference. Cuevas died later at a hospital.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: New York
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1 posted on 09/07/2012 8:29:35 PM PDT by smokingfrog
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To: smokingfrog

Run into a cop and die. But not to worry, they’ll find someone else to punish for it.


2 posted on 09/07/2012 8:31:22 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: smokingfrog

This actually does sound like an accident.

Prayers for the officer and also for the victim.


3 posted on 09/07/2012 8:42:55 PM PDT by generally (Don't be stupid. We have politicians for that.)
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To: smokingfrog

This actually does sound like an accident.

Prayers for the officer and also for the victim.


4 posted on 09/07/2012 8:43:01 PM PDT by generally (Don't be stupid. We have politicians for that.)
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To: smokingfrog

Mora called Cuevas “a good kid, a hardworking kid, a happy kid.”

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Not anymore. What a miserable shame. At least this incident appears to be a real accident, not a firing squad execution as in some jurisdictions.

Sad.


5 posted on 09/07/2012 8:45:55 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (Where would Christianity be if the early believers put their hopes and trust in the Roman empire?)
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To: GeronL

No video at the link...

But if it happens you run into someone with a gun drawn, *stuff happens. And mostly bad stuff.

I am usually very critical of the law enforcement community but this sounds like a simple tragic accident.

The victims family will be compensated($$$ does not replace a son/brother)....and the officer will live with it forever.

Crappy deal for all involved.


6 posted on 09/07/2012 8:50:56 PM PDT by glasseye
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To: smokingfrog

Seems to me Bloomberg pretty much never gets criticized for these things....If Rudy were still the Mayor, they would have jumped all over him for these shootings.


7 posted on 09/07/2012 8:52:21 PM PDT by dfwgator (I'm voting for Ryan and that other guy.)
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To: smokingfrog

Bookmark


8 posted on 09/07/2012 8:52:37 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: smokingfrog

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5FZdRHZ7qI


9 posted on 09/07/2012 9:00:42 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: glasseye

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5FZdRHZ7qI


10 posted on 09/07/2012 9:02:35 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: smokingfrog
Why is it the last thing many LEOs learn is trigger finger discipline?

Look at any photo of our troops with a weapons: it is the first thing they are taught - and they learn it well.

11 posted on 09/07/2012 9:05:49 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: smokingfrog
While I no longer trust that cops do the right thing, I also don’t automatically assume they didn't do their best in a really bad situations...
Prayers sent for this murdered mans soul, a robbery victim, and for his family and friends.
And also to all the policemen involved, who will also have to live with the consequences.
And I pray that God damns to Hell the criminals who crafted this situation.
12 posted on 09/07/2012 9:07:14 PM PDT by sarasmom
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To: smokingfrog
Investigators believe the impact of Cuevas running into the officer caused him to fire one round, striking the 20-year-old victim in the left shoulder, police Commissioner Raymond Kelly said at a news conference.

Investigators believe the impact of Cuevas running into the officer caused him to fire one round, striking the 20-year-old victim in the left shoulder, police Commissioner Raymond Kelly Tommy Flanagan said at a news conference.

Flanagan's wife, Morgan Fairchild, had no comment on the incident.

13 posted on 09/07/2012 9:15:34 PM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: smokingfrog

Eventually,the New York peasants will learn to send the dog out first...


14 posted on 09/07/2012 9:21:58 PM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: TXnMA; smokingfrog

I stand partly corrected: when the LEO drew,it appears that he started off with his trigger finger in the extended “safe” position. Later on, the view is blocked...


15 posted on 09/07/2012 9:24:04 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: dragnet2

Officer had his gun out and pointed at the first guy, when the kid comes flying out the door. It looks like he might have panicked and shot him, but it’s hard to tell for sure. I was imagining that the kid ran into the cop more straight on. I’m sure he’s probably second guessing himself now for sure.


16 posted on 09/07/2012 9:26:34 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: smokingfrog

You started this thread.

Are you “second guessing yourself” now ?

If not, why not?


17 posted on 09/07/2012 9:52:48 PM PDT by sarasmom
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To: smokingfrog

Speaking of your son, I ran into him today. No, he’s not o.k. but the good news is I can charge the holdup men with his death.


18 posted on 09/07/2012 9:54:46 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: sarasmom

I used to automatically give officers the benefit of the doubt. But their training and interaction with citizens since they became an occupying force in the Fed’s “war on terror” (criminal and citizens, in general) no longer automatically deserves trust.

But seeing the tape, in this case, it looks to me like the first guy fleeing - one of the criminals - pointed at the innocent victim following him out of the store. Also, the police officer had to have his gun out because it was a violent mob action and no way could he defend himself against all those thugs without a gun.

What a miserable outcome. God bless everyone. :(


19 posted on 09/07/2012 10:00:29 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: smokingfrog

Guns are dangerous. Cars are dangerous. Machinery is dangerous. Accidents happen.

The cop doesn’t look 100% comfortable or in control of his weapon and his finger could have easily been on the trigger already and the collision caused him to fire. Even though maybe it should not have been on the trigger yet, I’m certainly not going to sit in judgement of him.

video at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5FZdRHZ7qI


20 posted on 09/07/2012 10:48:01 PM PDT by expat1000
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To: generally

Yes, this is one of those examples where the armed robbers are charged with murder for an innocent civilian killed by police trying to apprehend the crooks.

What a lousy shame for this man and his family.


21 posted on 09/07/2012 10:51:33 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid (Semper Fi)
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To: sarasmom

Couldn’t we pray He saves them?


22 posted on 09/07/2012 11:05:55 PM PDT by ShasheMac
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To: SaraJohnson
err...
I really don't think “we” are on the same opinion page.

IMHO, it looks like the local civilian police force reacted as best they could, to a really bad situation.
Tragic errors were made. The innocent victim died.

I know in my own state, if any individual is killed by police during an emergency responce to a crime scene, a murder charge is automatically added to the original crime filed against the perp.
Even if a cop shoots an unarmed partner of the armed robber, murder charges Will be filed against the robber.

I am all for shutting down Feds acting wrong.

In this case, it appears to be just a truly nightmarish situation.
You got any facts claiming otherwise, bring them.

23 posted on 09/07/2012 11:08:16 PM PDT by sarasmom
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To: smokingfrog
The officer is kneeling and pointing his semiautomatic at Cuevas when the video clip ends.

Hmmmmm.

24 posted on 09/08/2012 3:50:26 AM PDT by luvbach1 (Stop the destruction in 2012 or continue the decline)
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To: smokingfrog

Sad. RIP.


25 posted on 09/08/2012 5:04:47 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (If you like lying Socialist dirtbags, you'll love Slick Willard)
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To: smokingfrog

But at least the police made it home safe!


26 posted on 09/08/2012 7:34:00 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Read SCOTUS Castle Rock vs Gonzales before dialing 911!)
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To: generally

It was negligence by the cop. One big rule is “keep your finger off the trigger until your sights are on the target “ for JUST this reason.


27 posted on 09/08/2012 7:44:57 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (this space for rent)
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To: smokingfrog

I think the trigger weight will have a lot to say on wheather or not this was an accident or negligence.


28 posted on 09/08/2012 7:52:21 AM PDT by Popman (In a place you only dream of Where your soul is always free)
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To: count-your-change
No, he’s not o.k. but the good news is I can charge the holdup men with his death.

I know you are trying to be sarcastically humorous here but regardless of whether the cop was negligent or it was an accident the robbers are responsible for this murder because their action precipitated the wrongful death of the clerk.

29 posted on 09/08/2012 10:34:52 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: Pontiac

Yes, the robbers are responsible just as much as if the clerk dropped dead of heart attack during the robbery.

But the cop must also accept responsibility for his actions. Having his finger on the trigger was a mistake and no matter his intentions his mistake cost a man his life.

Anyone who wears a deadly weapon has the responsibility to maintain control of it at all times or don’t wear it.


30 posted on 09/08/2012 10:48:46 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: SauronOfMordor
One big rule is “keep your finger off the trigger until your sights are on the target “

Yes, but in this case the 'target' was ON the sights.

31 posted on 09/08/2012 1:53:48 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 ( If you think I'm crazy, just wait until you talk to my invisible friend.)
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To: dragnet2

Scared cop w poor training and a tragic accident. Awful.


32 posted on 09/08/2012 9:26:13 PM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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