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UPDATE: Suspect in Brian Terry death in custody
KVOA ^ | Sept 7, 2012 | Sam Salzwedel

Posted on 09/08/2012 3:06:59 AM PDT by Jet Jaguar

Mexican federal police announced Friday that they have arrested a suspect in the killing of U.S. Border Patrol agent Brian Terry, the slaying at the center of the scandal over the botched U.S. gun-smuggling probe known as Operation Fast and Furious.

Jesus Leonel Sanchez Meza is one of the five men charged with killing Terry in December 2010 during a shootout in Arizona near the Mexico border. One is on trial in Arizona and the other three remain fugitives. Sanchez was arrested Thursday in Sonora state.

Two guns found at the scene were bought by a member of a gun-smuggling ring that was being monitored in the Fast and Furious investigation. Critics have knocked U.S. federal authorities for allowing informants to walk away from Phoenix-area gun shops with weapons, rather than immediately arresting suspects.

In Operation Fast and Furious and at least three earlier probes during the administration of President George W. Bush, agents in Arizona employed a risky tactic called gun-walking - allowing low-level "straw" buyers in gun-trafficking networks to leave with loads of weapons purchased at gun shops. The goal was to track the guns to major weapons traffickers and drug cartels in order to bring cases against kingpins who had long eluded prosecution under the prevailing strategy of arresting low-level purchasers of guns who were suspected of buying them for others.

During Operation Fast and Furious, many of the weapons weren't tracked and wound up at crime scenes in Mexico and the U.S., including the Terry shooting.

In July, U.S. authorities made a rare disclosure linked to the botched gun-smuggling probe, revealing identities and requesting the public's help in capturing the four fugitives accused in the shooting death of Terry.

The release of the suspects' identities in an unsealed indictment came with the offer of a $1 million reward for information leading to their capture.

The FBI said it was seeking information related to Jesus Rosario Favela-Astorga, 31, Ivan Soto-Barraza, 34, Heraclio Osorio-Arellanes, 34, and a man identified as Lionel Portillo-Meza, which Mexican police said was an alias of the man arrested Thursday in Puerto Penasco, Sonora.

Portillo-Meza's age and birthplace were unavailable. The other three fugitives were born in Mexico, but their hometowns were not available.

Authorities had previously released the identity of the fifth suspect, Manuel Osorio-Arellanes of El Fuerte in the Mexican state of Sinaloa. He was shot during the gunfight and has been in custody since the night of the shooting. He has pleaded not guilty in the case, telling investigators that he raised his weapon toward the agents during the shootout but didn't fire, the FBI said in records. His age was not immediately available.

All five men have been charged with murder. They also face charges of assaulting four federal agents.

FBI agents declined to discuss which fugitive is suspected of firing the shot that killed Terry. They also would not comment on whether the weapon was linked to an Operation Fast and Furious purchase.

The five men, plus another who faces lesser charges in the case, went to the U.S. from Mexico in order to rob marijuana smugglers, the indictment said.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Mexico; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; brianterry; fastandfurious; gunrunner; gunwalker; murdergate
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1 posted on 09/08/2012 3:07:01 AM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: MestaMachine

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2 posted on 09/08/2012 3:07:42 AM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: Jet Jaguar

How embarrassing for Obozo! And right in the middle of his national obfuscation tour!


3 posted on 09/08/2012 3:10:55 AM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline/Tomas de Torquemada Gentleman's Society: Roast 'em!)
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To: BlackElk
My conservative friends and I have been discussing lately that we cannot understand how some of our liberal friends can so blindly support Obama when he has been such an abject failure as POTUS. The details about Fast and Furious ARE going to come out as well as a lot of other unsavory things about Obama and his corrupt administration. IMO, the Dems would be better off disavowing Obama before that happens or their party will be left much like the Republicans were after Nixon's resignation. What Nixon did was so minor in comparison to the sins and omissions of Obama that it boggles the mind! I could not bear to watch any of the DNC, but just the clips I saw on FNC of the adoring faces of the Obama admirers in the crowd were enough to show me the extent of the delusion these people are operating under!
4 posted on 09/08/2012 3:40:36 AM PDT by srmorton (Deut. 30 19: "..I have set before you life and death,....therefore, choose life..")
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To: Jet Jaguar
Two guns found at the scene were bought by a member of a gun-smuggling ring that was being monitored in the Fast and Furious investigation.

And they went for some cover and in the next paragraph stated that some were not tracked.

Are we starting to see the unraveling? We know that none were tracked and now the media is starting to say that some weren't as a statement of journalistic fact? I say this guy will quickly assume room temperature so this story will die, literally.

5 posted on 09/08/2012 3:42:42 AM PDT by mazda77 ("Defeating the Totalitarian Lie" By: Hilmar von Campe. Everybody should read it.)
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To: Jet Jaguar

Another “workplace violence” incident? DHS has yet to declare...


6 posted on 09/08/2012 3:48:00 AM PDT by carriage_hill (Liberals, democrats & unions - the leftist scum - are like bacteria: attack, attack, attack!)
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To: srmorton; All
I could not bear to watch any of the DNC, but just the clips I saw on FNC of the adoring faces of the Obama admirers in the crowd were enough to show me the extent of the delusion these people are operating under!

Something is in the wind and the glow is off the rose. Posting on another thread

7 posted on 09/08/2012 3:49:05 AM PDT by mazda77 ("Defeating the Totalitarian Lie" By: Hilmar von Campe. Everybody should read it.)
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To: Jet Jaguar

They arrested HOLDER???? FABULOUS!!


8 posted on 09/08/2012 4:33:26 AM PDT by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: srmorton
That's because they truly are Zombies.....reduced to their basest instincts...somewhere around the crotch area.
9 posted on 09/08/2012 4:53:40 AM PDT by thingumbob (I'm a bitter clinger...I dare you to take my gun)
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To: Ann Archy
They arrested HOLDER???? FABULOUS!!

I admit that my second reaction after reading your comment, right after LOL, was to try to find the Like button.

10 posted on 09/08/2012 5:02:24 AM PDT by savedbygrace (But God.)
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To: savedbygrace; Ann Archy

My initial reaction as well!


11 posted on 09/08/2012 5:08:12 AM PDT by texanyankee
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To: mazda77

And not only of the Odinga supporters. How many times did Lenny Davis show up on Faux News, Hannity and Faux Business and not one of these A$$ hats have yet to ask him about the Fast and Furious emails that lead back to him.

This guy should be indicted right along with Holder and others in my opinion.


12 posted on 09/08/2012 5:09:48 AM PDT by eartick (Been to the line in the sand and liked it)
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To: Jet Jaguar
In Operation Fast and Furious and at least three earlier probes during the administration of President George W. Bush, agents in Arizona employed a risky tactic called gun-walking

(My emphasis.)

Can somebody explain the bolded phrase?

Are "probes" during GWB's administration being associated with FnF? Clearly, one would assume from this sentence that President Bush participated in Fast and Furious or an early version of "gun walking."

Someone please clarify for me.

13 posted on 09/08/2012 5:13:00 AM PDT by kinsman redeemer (The real enemy seeks to devour what is good.)
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To: kinsman redeemer

Like Obozo’s Fast and Furious, the Bush Administration had a smaller scale operation called project “Wide Receiver”. Unlike Obummer’s, Bush’s program notified the Mexican government and actually had trackers on the guns, so they knew where they were going. And actual arrests were made, if I’m not mistaken.


14 posted on 09/08/2012 5:27:09 AM PDT by cport (How can political capital be spent on a bunch of ingrates)
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To: eartick
And not only of the Odinga supporters. How many times did Lenny Davis show up on Faux News, Hannity and Faux Business and not one of these A$$ hats have yet to ask him about the Fast and Furious emails that lead back to him.

The person you are thinking of is Lanny Bruer. Lanny Davis was a Democratic operative and aide to Bill Clinton.

15 posted on 09/08/2012 5:39:15 AM PDT by montag813
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To: srmorton

“we cannot understand how some of our liberal friends can so blindly support Obama”

You are dealing with people who have no concept of absolute truth, so one lie is as good as another to them.

Normalcy bias suppressing cognitive dissonance allows them to simply ignore any fact that reflects negatively on their “messiah”.

Fox News has a DNC video showing actress Kerry Washington claiming that Republicans want to deny women the right to vote, healthcare, and education. The audience cheers.

You can’t fix stupid.


16 posted on 09/08/2012 5:40:43 AM PDT by MikeSteelBe (Austrian Hitler was, as the Halfrican Hitler does.)
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To: cport

Okay. Thanks.

Is is correct to say that Obama’s FnF operation had a sinister second goal of somehow raising support for more restrictive US gun laws? If so, how was that supposed to happen.

Thanks for your response.


17 posted on 09/08/2012 5:44:37 AM PDT by kinsman redeemer (The real enemy seeks to devour what is good.)
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To: Ann Archy
They arrested HOLDER???? FABULOUS!!

No, Obama killed bin Laden. Seems to me that's where this story is headed. See? Obama is doing something about [fill-in-the-blank]. No details are necessary beyond that. The minds get imprinted and the MSM steamroller moves on.

18 posted on 09/08/2012 5:50:51 AM PDT by arasina (So there.)
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To: srmorton
"IMO, the Dems would be better off disavowing Obama before that happens or their party will be left much like the Republicans were after Nixon's resignation."

If you caught Rush late Friday he said that's what's coming if Bobo gets way behind. Which I would put at a week at -7. Not impossible.

19 posted on 09/08/2012 5:56:36 AM PDT by StAnDeliver (A tale of a very grey woman, who was no lady...)
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To: srmorton; BlackElk; mazda77; thingumbob; MikeSteelBe

There are a couple of factors involved here.

First, with libs it is all about *feelings*. Think about high school pep rallies. Who do you cheer for? Your own team. You don’t cheer for the other school to win, even if their players are better, stronger, smarter, whatever. It is all about the tribal mentality.

Second, the way the human brain is designed makes it hard to make changes. What toothpaste do you use? I’ll bet your current tube is the same brand as the last tube. Why? Maybe because that is the brand your Mom always bought. Or maybe at one point you may have tried a few different kinds or looked into what worked best, but now you don’t stand in the grocery store for an hour and read every label when you buy toothpaste, you just buy the same thing every time because you made that decision somewhere in the past. Reexamining that decision every time you buy toothpaste just takes too much time and effort and thinking.

Yes, I know that choosing a President is not the same as choosing toothpaste, but many of the same principles apply. People are lazy.

Third, (and this is closely related to the second point): Loyalty. If your spouse dings the car, you are probably not going to get divorced over it. If your spouse totals the car, you are still not likely to get divorced over it. But if your spouse totalled a new car every week, how long do you think the marriage would last? Eventually, most people would reach the breaking point. It would be more than they could cope with.

Most dems are tolerant of a few dents in the car for what is an otherwise good relationship, in their minds. (Same for us. We never get a shiny new candidate with no flaws. We still vote for someone with some dings and scratches.) The big problem with Zippy is that he is totalled, but is hiding it. He’s had the totalled car towed away and is avoiding all questions about what happened to the car or where it is.


20 posted on 09/08/2012 6:04:48 AM PDT by generally (Don't be stupid. We have politicians for that.)
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To: Jet Jaguar

Hussein will claim credit for “solving” this case now.


21 posted on 09/08/2012 6:10:48 AM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: kinsman redeemer
Is is correct to say that Obama’s FnF operation had a sinister second goal of somehow raising support for more restrictive US gun laws? If so, how was that supposed to happen.

The rhetoric at the time was that guns from the U.S. were causing so many deaths along the border and in Mexico that we need to have more restrictions on gun sales.
They were right about the deaths, but it was because U.S. government agencies were facilitating the sales of guns to people that gun dealers would normally not do business with.

22 posted on 09/08/2012 6:23:38 AM PDT by FreedomOfExpression
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To: montag813

You know I type Bruer first and then know it thought no it was Davis that I read. I am going to have to go back and do some more investigating.

I am going to stick with Davis until I correct myself because the emails that I was reading, had ties back to Clinton WH.


23 posted on 09/08/2012 6:25:36 AM PDT by eartick (Been to the line in the sand and liked it)
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To: srmorton
I have tried in the past to rationalize with the democrat, not for zer0 but for supporters of clinton and thru bashing of Bush. There is a major disconnect between Conservatives and liberals. We see eye to eye on nothing.
I gave up, don't talk to a one of them anymore including relatives, got nothing to say to them, they made their choice based on the same information I have seen and heard and I can't even pretend to get where they are coming from. Minimum wage, paying the debt, welfare, taxing the rich, God in public arena, the military & defense, and one I can't begin to get an understanding of Bush took us to war without raising taxes. That one always tips me over. Just done with them, let them thrash in anger amongst them selves.
24 posted on 09/08/2012 6:35:59 AM PDT by reefdiver (zer0 One and Done)
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To: srmorton
I have tried in the past to rationalize with the democrat, not for zer0 but for supporters of clinton and thru bashing of Bush. There is a major disconnect between Conservatives and liberals. We see eye to eye on nothing.
I gave up, don't talk to a one of them anymore including relatives, got nothing to say to them, they made their choice based on the same information I have seen and heard and I can't even pretend to get where they are coming from. Minimum wage, paying the debt, welfare, taxing the rich, God in public arena, the military & defense, and one I can't begin to get an understanding of Bush took us to war without raising taxes. That one always tips me over. Just done with them, let them thrash in anger amongst them selves.
25 posted on 09/08/2012 6:35:59 AM PDT by reefdiver (zer0 One and Done)
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To: treetopsandroofs

Hussein will claim credit for “solving” this case now.

Agreed. Gotta tie up those loose ends before the debates. I wonder how many weeks before he announces his plan to close guantanamo by the end of the year.


26 posted on 09/08/2012 6:52:38 AM PDT by marstegreg
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To: Jet Jaguar

Holder got arrested?


27 posted on 09/08/2012 8:20:08 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: montag813

Yep, you be correct it was Bruer....do not know why Davis was stuck in my head


28 posted on 09/08/2012 8:35:35 AM PDT by eartick (Been to the line in the sand and liked it)
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To: generally

Nice analogy.


29 posted on 09/08/2012 8:40:25 AM PDT by HollyB
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To: mazda77
One of my closest friends graduated from high school with me and her husband (now a lawyer) is just a year older than we are. They are strong Christians and are conservative in the sense that they have been together since high school and raised their two children rather strictly to be good citizens. Since 2008, she has had two stickers on her bumper - on the left side an Obama 2008 sticker and on the right one that says “Had enough? Vote Democrat.” I was happy to see the other day that she had taken the Obama 2008 sticker off without replacing it. I was so excited that I texted one of my conservative friends about it. She quickly burst my bubble by saying that she was probably just making room for an Obama 2012 sticker. So far, she does not have a new one, so I was getting a little hopeful.

I ahould have known better! I had dinner with her last Tuesday night and she was SO excited because she was planning to go to hear Obama speak in Charlotte on Thursday night. We live in NC, but it is a good distance from here to Charlotte. I haven't had the heart to call and ask her if she actually got to go since the venue for the speech was changed due to the “severe” weather. I will find out when I see her in Sunday School tomorrow. Since she knows how I feel about Obama, we get along well because we know to avoid talking about politics when we are together!:)

30 posted on 09/08/2012 8:57:59 AM PDT by srmorton (Deut. 30 19: "..I have set before you life and death,....therefore, choose life..")
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To: Jet Jaguar

Nothing will come of this. Since the death penalty is in play Mexico will not extradite to the US.

The guy will walk.


31 posted on 09/08/2012 10:04:06 AM PDT by Flint
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To: srmorton

Sunday school, now there is a huge opening for a review of Matthew 26:34.

The most overriding factor is the fact her husband is an attorney. Combine that with a follow up of Matthew 26:15.

Maybe a light bulb will illuminate for the first time somewhere.


32 posted on 09/08/2012 10:07:55 AM PDT by mazda77 ("Defeating the Totalitarian Lie" By: Hilmar von Campe. Everybody should read it.)
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To: Jet Jaguar

Why aren’t Holder and Comrade Zero in jail as well?


33 posted on 09/08/2012 10:32:25 AM PDT by alstewartfan ("You're a worn-out face in all the hang-out places where the lost souls congregate." Al Stewart)
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To: Jet Jaguar; Joe Brower; Travis McGee; LucyT; vette6387; MetaThought; 60Gunner; XHogPilot; ...

A little late but interesting ...


34 posted on 09/08/2012 10:50:19 AM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills and bo stinks)
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To: Jet Jaguar; 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; ...
Ping!

Click the keyword Aliens to see more illegal alien, border security, and other related articles.

Don't forget that the FBI and the U.S. Attorney for Southern Arizona released all 5 (illegal alien) suspects within 60 days of Agent Terry's death.


35 posted on 09/08/2012 11:20:03 AM PDT by HiJinx (He who controls the water, controls life.)
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To: cport

“Unlike Obummer’s, Bush’s program notified the Mexican government and actually had trackers on the guns, so they knew where they were going.”

You are correct. Holder perjured himself by implying otherwise and had to retract his statements when Bush admin officials spoke out.

Of course, the “media” didn’t give the retraction as much coverage as they did the “Blame Bush” perjury.


36 posted on 09/08/2012 12:01:53 PM PDT by BlessingsofLiberty (Remember Brian Terry...)
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To: HiJinx

Mexican Federal Judiciial Police arrested someone?

Must not have paid his Mordida.

Los Federales ARE the criminals in Mexico. This guy is just a sucker they’re setting up for the fall.


37 posted on 09/08/2012 12:02:32 PM PDT by Regulator
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To: Flint
Nothing will come of this. Since the death penalty is in play Mexico will not extradite to the US. The guy will walk.

maybe so but remember, the Mexicans are pissed because of F&F and the guy can sing. Him staying alive not in their control is the current administrations worst nightmare.

38 posted on 09/08/2012 2:07:41 PM PDT by mazda77 ("Defeating the Totalitarian Lie" By: Hilmar von Campe. Everybody should read it.)
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To: Jet Jaguar
Finally they caught him. It's about time!
39 posted on 09/08/2012 3:06:51 PM PDT by mcleodglen
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To: Jet Jaguar

ONE suspect — there were several. They also said this may not be the one who actually pulled the trigger and killed him.

“Jesus Leonel Sanchez Meza is one of the five men charged with killing Terry in December 2010 during a shootout in Arizona near the Mexico border. One is on trial in Arizona and the other three remain fugitives. Sanchez was arrested Thursday in Sonora state.

FBI agents declined to discuss which fugitive is suspected of firing the shot that killed Terry. They also would not comment on whether the weapon was linked to an Operation Fast and Furious purchase.”

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/09/08/mexico-arrests-suspect-in-fast-and-furious-killing-brian-terry/#ixzz25vJUYfzJ


40 posted on 09/08/2012 4:24:06 PM PDT by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: srmorton
that we cannot understand how some of our liberal friends can so blindly support Obama

Did they ever say what he did good, in their eyes? Ignoring the Constitution, bailouts, food stamps, his Czar Empire, etc.

adoring faces of the Obama admirers in the crowd were enough to show me the extent of the delusion these people are operating under!

They are under the evil spirit of seduction.

41 posted on 09/08/2012 5:09:47 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: Jet Jaguar

Please tell me it is Eric Holder!


42 posted on 09/08/2012 7:28:15 PM PDT by Wisconsinlady ("When injustice becomes law, then resistance becomes duty." Thomas Jefferson)
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To: srmorton
My conservative friends and I have been discussing lately that we cannot understand how some of our liberal friends can so blindly support Obama when he has been such an abject failure as POTUS. The details about Fast and Furious ARE going to come out as well as a lot of other unsavory things about Obama and his corrupt administration. IMO, the Dems would be better off disavowing Obama before that happens or their party will be left much like the Republicans were after Nixon's resignation. What Nixon did was so minor in comparison to the sins and omissions of Obama that it boggles the mind! I could not bear to watch any of the DNC, but just the clips I saw on FNC of the adoring faces of the Obama admirers in the crowd were enough to show me the extent of the delusion these people are operating under!

This is very easy to understand. This is what you get when the schools, universities and mass media are controlled by libs for the last 30 years. Obama is also successful because the white people percentage is down over the last 30 years due to immigration and birthrates. If we could magically go back to 1988 which was Dukakis vs Bush. I have no doubt that Mitt Romney would have a vast lead over Obama

In 1988 this nations demographics were more favorable to conservatives (California elected Republican governors) and Republicans plus the brainwashing via schools and mass media was only half done

It is one thing to have a message and the 2012 Republicans and Romney have a darn good one. But it is one thing to have a message and another matter to get it out there. The mass media is always distributing the Democrat messages and ignoring Republican ones or distorting them, one good example is this Republican war on women ginned up by the Democrats and the mass media. Michelle Malkin can say something brilliant on Fox news and her website but how widely will it be distributed compared to some garbage coming from Sandra Fluck's mouth?

For me the first law of propaganda is --- How widely can you get it distributed?

 

43 posted on 09/08/2012 7:51:47 PM PDT by dennisw (Government be yo mamma - Re-elect Barack Obama)
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To: Jet Jaguar
Mexican federal police announced Friday that they have arrested a suspect in the killing of U.S. Border Patrol agent Brian Terry,

Eric Holder had no idea his Cancun vacation would turn out this way.

44 posted on 09/08/2012 8:52:34 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (My tagline is in the shop.)
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To: Jet Jaguar

Pray to God this guy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhyhP_5VfKM


45 posted on 09/08/2012 8:55:09 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Bocephus hits a home run! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rt_vjPqAVzI)
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To: dennisw
What you say is true, but two of the liberal friends I am speaking of went to the exactly the same public schools that I did. They were brought up Southern Baptist (still considered a very conservative denomination) while I was raised Presbyterian (now considered to be very liberal). Now all three of us are Methodists. The husband is a lawyer, but he went to Wake Forest University in Winston-Salem which at that time was affiliated with the Southern Baptist Church. I went to UNC-Greensboro which is located less than 40 miles east of Winston-Salem.

One explanation is that they were brought up in families that were staunchly Democrat and they have always voted that way. Another is that, as children of the 60s, the two of them were part of the "hippie" movement while I never was. As a biology major during the time of the first Earth Day, I did go through a period during which I was not nearly as conservative as I am now, but I still cannot understand how two people who are as intelligent as they are and who are Bible-believing Christians can continue to think the way they do politically! I still love them both very much, but I stay away from the subject of politics as much as possible when we are together.

46 posted on 09/08/2012 11:18:52 PM PDT by srmorton (Deut. 30 19: "..I have set before you life and death,....therefore, choose life..")
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To: srmorton

“My conservative friends and I have been discussing lately that we cannot understand how some of our liberal friends can so blindly support Obama”

My son is a Border Patrol Agent. He reports that there are agents supporting The Messiah. I am not kidding.

These agents are not trusted. They place loyalty to The Messiah over their own safety and the life and safety of their fellow agents.


47 posted on 09/09/2012 7:45:10 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: Innovative

“They also said this may not be the one who actually pulled the trigger and killed him.”

Perhaps. I say kill him. . .just to be sure.


48 posted on 09/09/2012 7:47:43 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: Jet Jaguar
Eric Holder is in custody ?

FINALLY some justice, I say death penalty

49 posted on 09/09/2012 9:49:43 AM PDT by KTM rider
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To: MestaMachine

Just the usual suspects?


50 posted on 09/09/2012 11:46:51 AM PDT by acsrp38 (Do your best to prevent Gorbal Warming!! Leave the lights on!!)
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