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Catholic priest blames children for sexual abuse
Digital Journal ^ | 8-31-2012 | Greta McClain

Posted on 09/08/2012 5:07:45 AM PDT by Renfield

New York - A prominent Catholic priest says he believes “youngsters” are often to blame for sexual abuse by priests and that priests who are first time offenders should not be jailed for their crime.

Father Benedict Groeschel, founder of Franciscan Friars of the Renewal, is well known as the host of Sunday Night Prime with Father Benedict Groeschel, a weekly show on Catholic television network EWTN. It was not what he said on his television show that has sparked controversy however, it is comments he made in an interview with the National Catholic Register that has outraged many. According to a UPI report, Groeschel told the newspaper

"People have this picture in their minds of a person planning to -- a psychopath. But that's not the case. Suppose you have a man having a nervous breakdown, and a youngster comes after him. A lot of the cases, the youngster -- 14, 16, 18 -- is the seducer."....

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1 posted on 09/08/2012 5:07:57 AM PDT by Renfield
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Groeschel referenced the Penn State scandal in his interview as well according to the Reuters report. He referred to Sandusky as "this poor guy" and wondered how Sandusky's attacks went on for so long. He then said

"Well, you know, until recent years, people did not register in their minds that it was a crime."

2 posted on 09/08/2012 5:09:34 AM PDT by Renfield (Turning apples into venison since 1999!)
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To: Renfield

And now we finally realize exactly why Sandusky got away with what he did all these years. He’s got friends like this one.


3 posted on 09/08/2012 5:15:29 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Renfield

Can we shoot this sicko as well?


4 posted on 09/08/2012 5:16:38 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (Encourage all of your Democrat friends to get out and vote on November 7th, the stakes are high.)
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To: Renfield

He’s 83 years old, almost died in a car accident a couple of years ago (I’m talking brain injury and in a coma for days) AND he’s already apologized and lost his TV show. Give it a rest already.


5 posted on 09/08/2012 5:19:04 AM PDT by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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To: Renfield

Is this man insane?


6 posted on 09/08/2012 5:19:34 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (Obama: "If you've got a business -- you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen.")
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To: Renfield

Hey, as time goes on, and we are forced to endorse and celebrate use of the reproductive organs in more and more ways, it will become “cool and liberating” for kids to participate freely in the sexual compulsions of neurotic adults.


7 posted on 09/08/2012 5:21:16 AM PDT by duckworth (Perhaps instant karma's going to get you. Perhaps not.)
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To: Campion; Renfield; RoosterRedux

I was surprised by this, and while I’m not a very understanding person, from what I know of this guy he isn’t in his right mind. Years ago he was a sharp priest; I remember the accident, and I know he’s older now as well.

Otherwise, I can’t imagine what he was thinking.


8 posted on 09/08/2012 5:22:28 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: Renfield
"Well, it's not so hard to see. A kid looking for a father and didn't have his own -- and they won't be planning to get into heavy-duty sex, but almost romantic, embracing, kissing, perhaps sleeping, but not having intercourse or anything like that. It's an understandable thing, and you know where you find it, among other clergy or important people; you look at teachers, attorneys, judges, social workers."

And those priests, teachers, attorneys, judges and social workers are supposed to be responsible adults and not let this stuff happen. Can't believe this guy - protect the adult over the child?

Gives a lot of very good Catholics a bad rap.

9 posted on 09/08/2012 5:23:31 AM PDT by gotribe
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To: Campion

OK.. so he`s apologized... for the uproar or for having that opinion? Sounds to me like he`s rationalizing for a few skeletons in his closet.


10 posted on 09/08/2012 5:29:52 AM PDT by ScottinVA (If Obama is reelected, America will deserve every mockery that follows.)
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To: Renfield

Sounds like the priest is having an Akin moment. Hey, he’s a Franciscan; isn’t there a monastery where they can stick him until the Second Coming?


11 posted on 09/08/2012 5:30:35 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Taranto: "The whole point of the metaphor is that if you can hear the whistle, you're the dog.")
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To: Renfield
A prominent Catholic priest says he believes “youngsters” are often to blame for sexual abuse by priests and that priests who are first time offenders should not be jailed for their crime...."People have this picture in their minds of a person planning to -- a psychopath. But that's not the case. Suppose you have a man having a nervous breakdown, and a youngster comes after him. A lot of the cases, the youngster -- 14, 16, 18 -- is the seducer."....

A) Check this guy for possible offenses.

B) Even if a young person is 'seducing' you, it is called BEING AN ADULT AND HAVING SELF CONTROL! When I was 20something, a well-developed underager came at me. I had a little FREAKIN RESTRAINT and she remains UN-HIT. Sheesh.

12 posted on 09/08/2012 5:37:19 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Communist Party = Democrats. Socialist Party = Republicans. WE NEED A CAPITALIST FREEDOM PARTY!)
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To: Campion

Age is now an excuse to defend child molestation? I disagree.


13 posted on 09/08/2012 5:44:10 AM PDT by Jacknudy
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To: Renfield

He’s already apologized for that statement - said something about not being able to express himself properly. I think that was over a week ago.


14 posted on 09/08/2012 5:51:09 AM PDT by expat1000
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To: Lazamataz

BEING AN ADULT AND HAVING SELF CONTROL

Not to mention that you are a PRIEST and CELIBATE.

The heathens have taken over....I don’t care if he apologized and lost his show...its a stupid position to take in the first place. It can’t possibly be justified.

Sheesh!


15 posted on 09/08/2012 6:07:57 AM PDT by Adder (No Mo BO)
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To: Renfield

Why is this posted today, a month after it happened??? EWTN has explained in great detail about Father Groeschel’s deteriorating condition following his stroke, but NO, just keep on ragging about the Catholic Church.

Should be posted under ‘Tedious Slander.’


16 posted on 09/08/2012 6:10:31 AM PDT by bboop (Without justice, what else is the State but a great band of robbers? St. Augustine)
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To: Jacknudy; All

What he said was 100% wrong. He’ll probably retire from making his TV show over it.

I gotta say, the majority of Freepers will always side with the press when it comes to their exploiting the Catholic Church and also cops.

The flamers will not have taken the time to see who this man is and all of the great things he has done, but they’ll take the time to hop on board with the press, here, who are grabbing headlines.

Fr. Groeschel had a massive stroke and has expressive aphasia. He literally has no control over some of what he says. THis is whom the press goes after for headlines and the Church haters her will jump right on the pile.

Please, before you jump on board with the NYT here, read the original account Then take just a moment to see at least a little of this priests history, inluding renouncing his loyalty to eh Democrat party, renouncing (all publicly on his show) his loyalty to the NYT, who, by the way broke the story, for their hatred of him and his causes, and his his spending time in jail for his work against abortion, etc.


17 posted on 09/08/2012 6:13:03 AM PDT by stanne
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To: expat1000

Statement of Michael P. Warsaw, President and Chief Executive Officer of EWTN Global Catholic Network regarding Father Benedict Groeschel:

The recent comments regarding clerical sexual abuse of minors made by Father Benedict Groeschel to a news editor of the National Catholic Register should never have been published. In no way do those comments reflect the views of the Register or EWTN. It should have been obvious to the editor that Father Benedict’s physical condition and mental clarity have deteriorated and that the comments were completely inconsistent with his life’s work and witness. We apologize that these remarks were published and ask for forgiveness for this error.

To regular viewers of EWTN, it has been evident for some time that Father Benedict’s health has been declining. For more than a year, the Network has been in discussions with both Father and his Community about his capacity to continue hosting Sunday Night Prime. This is the reason that the program moved from a live to a pre-recorded format last year. In more recent months Father Benedict’s decline has accelerated. After consultation with EWTN and the Community of the Franciscan Friars of the Renewal, Father Benedict has decided that it is now time to step away from the program. The Sunday Night Prime program will continue and will be hosted by other priests of the CFR community.

Father Benedict has led a life of tremendous compassion and service to others and his spiritual insights have been a great gift to the EWTN family for many years. We are profoundly grateful to him and assure him of our prayers. At the same time, we ask our EWTN family to pray for all those who have been affected by this painful situation and in particular those who have been victims of sexual abuse.

Monday, September 03, 2012


18 posted on 09/08/2012 6:14:03 AM PDT by Ge0ffrey
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To: Campion

Wow. That doesn’t sound like Fr Groeschel at all. The injuries from that wreck and his age have definitely addled his brain!


19 posted on 09/08/2012 6:14:24 AM PDT by sneakers (Go Sheriff Joe!)
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To: Ge0ffrey

“Father Benedict has decided that it is now time to step away from the program.”

As predicted.

And when he takes the long walk bak to the Friary, the NYT journalists and their minions will be joined in spirit by the Catholic haters from FreeRepublic for the long, loud proverbial, rotten tomato-throwing jeer at this man.

Just for example:

I apologize for my comments. I did not intend to blame the victim. A priest (or anyone else) who abuses a minor is always wrong and is always responsible. My mind and my way of expressing myself are not as clear as they used to be. I have spent my life trying to help others the best that I could. I deeply regret any harm I have caused to anyone.[13]
The Franciscan Friars of the Renewal organization also apologized for Groeschel’s remarks, noting that they were out of character for him and stemmed from infirmities due to his 2004 car accident, described in greater detail below, and a recent stroke.[14]


20 posted on 09/08/2012 6:36:00 AM PDT by stanne
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To: Ge0ffrey

>>Father Benedict’s physical condition and mental clarity have deteriorated

Yeah, he basically said the same thing himself. I’m not Catholic (or Christian) so I don’t have any special sympathetic feelings about him, but it was obvious he was really broken up - embarrassed and ashamed about what he said and about his condition as well. It’s all here on FR if someone wants research it.


21 posted on 09/08/2012 6:37:20 AM PDT by expat1000
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To: stanne
Unbelievably irresponsible to put a man like that on TV. Even if it's taped.

He literally has no control over some of what he says.

22 posted on 09/08/2012 6:38:48 AM PDT by DManA
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To: expat1000

This isn’t an indecent that requires an apology(at least not to us, many to the clergy, but not to us). He did express himself clearly. This is what he believes. The problem is that he is supposed to know to keep his beliefs secret. It attracts attention because some people suspect these beliefs are common in the priesthood, but most priests know not to let the rest of us know what they really think.


23 posted on 09/08/2012 6:38:53 AM PDT by conejo99
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To: Renfield

“I did not intend to blame the victim,” Father Groeschel wrote in a statement published on The Catholic Register’s site. “A priest (or anyone else) who abuses a minor is always wrong and is always responsible. My mind and my way of expressing myself are not as clear as they used to be.”


24 posted on 09/08/2012 6:41:58 AM PDT by GOP_Party_Animal
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To: Campion

(Catholic) haters gotta hate.


25 posted on 09/08/2012 6:43:04 AM PDT by GOP_Party_Animal
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To: DManA

Well, if it’s taped, they can fix it, but that’s not good enough for some folks here who eagerly jump on board with the NYT for priest bashing purposes.

He is not just “ a man like that”. He does an interview show where he brings in people who are doing many good things woking against the current culture.

He has profoundly better speaking ability than our current president who can’t speak at all. Doesn’t know how to speak the truth and needs an electronic speaking aid but he’s running the country. Why don’t yougGo after that problem? The NYT sure could, but they choose to go after an old frail man, who, for the amount of truth he allows his guests to speak one hour every week, I would rather listen to thousands of times more than your friends at the NYT.


26 posted on 09/08/2012 6:50:56 AM PDT by stanne
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To: stanne

You - The man has severe brain damage and can’t control what he says.

Me - Wow, pretty irresponsible putting someone like that on TV.

You - STOP BASHING PRIESTS.


27 posted on 09/08/2012 6:56:56 AM PDT by DManA
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To: expat1000

“He’s already apologized for that statement - said something about not being able to express himself properly. I think that was over a week ago.”

Excusing child molestation cannot be absolved with an “I’m sorry”.

In doing so you are excusing making excuses for child molestation.

Legitimate questions of “Did this guy molest anyone” can be raised, and at the very least should be investigated by those who actually care about the issue and identifying victims of this attitude, whatever the reason for it being expressed.


28 posted on 09/08/2012 6:57:47 AM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: conejo99

It was a thought that went through his head for a moment. His beliefs are well documented in his 70 years of service (he began his apostolate at the age of 7 (seven).

If his beliefs ore different from what he has been doing and writing about for lo these many years his cover up is fantastic.

He has written 30 boooks detailing his beliefs and has been on the boards and hs founded many organiziations which have helped the poor, the unborn, marriage and family, celibacy for homosexuals, the poor, dying and needy.

Check your facts, but you are showing loyalty to the press who is attacking a weak old man.


29 posted on 09/08/2012 6:58:07 AM PDT by stanne
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To: Renfield; PJBankard; CHRISTIAN DIARIST; scottjewell; ebb tide; Sirius Lee; lilycicero; MaryLou1; ...

Statement of Michael P. Warsaw, President and Chief Executive Officer of EWTN Global Catholic Network regarding Father Benedict Groeschel:

The recent comments regarding clerical sexual abuse of minors made by Father Benedict Groeschel to a news editor of the National Catholic Register should never have been published. In no way do those comments reflect the views of the Register or EWTN. It should have been obvious to the editor that Father Benedict’s physical condition and mental clarity have deteriorated and that the comments were completely inconsistent with his life’s work and witness. We apologize that these remarks were published and ask for forgiveness for this error.

To regular viewers of EWTN, it has been evident for some time that Father Benedict’s health has been declining. For more than a year, the Network has been in discussions with both Father and his Community about his capacity to continue hosting Sunday Night Prime. This is the reason that the program moved from a live to a pre-recorded format last year. In more recent months Father Benedict’s decline has accelerated. After consultation with EWTN and the Community of the Franciscan Friars of the Renewal, Father Benedict has decided that it is now time to step away from the program. The Sunday Night Prime program will continue and will be hosted by other priests of the CFR community.

Father Benedict has led a life of tremendous compassion and service to others and his spiritual insights have been a great gift to the EWTN family for many years. We are profoundly grateful to him and assure him of our prayers. At the same time, we ask our EWTN family to pray for all those who have been affected by this painful situation and in particular those who have been victims of sexual abuse.

Monday, September 03, 2012


30 posted on 09/08/2012 6:59:52 AM PDT by narses
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To: GOP_Party_Animal

“(Catholic) haters gotta hate.”

Haters of children that seduce adults/priests gotta hate.

See how that works?

Do you even care to find out if this guy has any victims from his past postings, or are you prepared to eliminate this possibility without looking into it because he said “sorry”?


31 posted on 09/08/2012 7:02:56 AM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: narses

“Father Benedict has led a life of tremendous compassion and service to others and his spiritual insights have been a great gift... “

Did he molest someone in the past, and are his musings simply a manifestation of someone trying to justify past abhorrent actions. I think it’s worth checking on this, don’t you?


32 posted on 09/08/2012 7:05:36 AM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: RFEngineer

One glance at his bio should tellyou all you need to know and all you should know for making a statement on this thread.

I suggest being careful. When you are old and infirm, you’ll want others to take care to respect you and not to attack you, especially if, in your lifetime, you do one tenth of what Fr. Groeschel has done for the needy, the unborn, and the culture, has done in his.


33 posted on 09/08/2012 7:06:32 AM PDT by stanne
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To: DManA

I never said that, you just wish I had.

You are thinking the way the people at the NYT think - that what you wish someone said can be attributed to them for your use.

Sunday Times is $6 you might find cpmfort among your friends there.

You won’t find anything about all of the tremendous works Fr. Groeschel has done, but you will find many misquotes, as you just did to me there.

You depend on people not thinking, just reading headlines.


34 posted on 09/08/2012 7:14:08 AM PDT by stanne
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To: stanne

“I suggest being careful.”

“One glance at his bio should tellyou all you need to know and all you should know for making a statement on this thread.”

“When you are old and infirm...”

I suggest that a statement like this is so outrageous that it is worth looking into whether this man, despite his good works, has molested anyone in the past.

You are apparently saying (correct me if I am wrong) that this outrageous statement warrants no investigation and should be dismissed because he said “sorry”.


35 posted on 09/08/2012 7:15:01 AM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: stanne

Telling those that disagree with you to check their facts is not helpful. He wouldn’t have been in his prominent position if he didn’t have the resume you list.
You think his statements do not reflect his true beliefs. I hope you are right.


36 posted on 09/08/2012 7:15:22 AM PDT by conejo99
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To: Lazamataz

see post 17, you are better than the insinuations you made.
This man has dedicated his life to God by protecting and defending the innocent.


37 posted on 09/08/2012 7:20:34 AM PDT by verga (Forced to remove tag line by administrator)
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To: stanne
He literally has no control over some of what he says.

Who gives someone like that a TV show?

38 posted on 09/08/2012 7:23:45 AM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: conejo99

Telling those that disagree with you to check their facts is not helpful. He wouldn’t have been in his prominent position if he didn’t have the resume you list.
You think his statements do not reflect his true beliefs. I hope you are right.

I suggest you don’t know what you are talking about so please check facts.

You can’t disagree with me because you can’t have an opinion without facts.

You know nothing about Fr. Groeschel whom you are spewing a lot of accusations about.

It’s what I expect from many Freepers on Catholic threads. Much ignorant blind hatred. Much.


39 posted on 09/08/2012 7:27:28 AM PDT by stanne
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To: bboop

Why are you trying to make it about the Catholic church? It isn’t. It’s about this individual and his remarks.


40 posted on 09/08/2012 7:30:25 AM PDT by CatherineofAragon (Don't be afraid to see what you see. (Ronald Reagan))
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To: Last Dakotan

Watch the show, just once.

Geeze, just geeze.

It has been on for like 20 years.

If you want to say something against the man could you simply give him 5 minutes of your time?


41 posted on 09/08/2012 7:35:31 AM PDT by stanne
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To: bboop; Renfield

Posted a month ago? Like most of the 30-odd commenters on this thread, I missed it.

Many thanks for posting this, Renfield! It takes a mind of guilt to hate and fear the revelation of truth.


42 posted on 09/08/2012 7:36:58 AM PDT by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: verga
Fr. Groeschel had a massive stroke and has expressive aphasia. He literally has no control over some of what he says. THis is whom the press goes after for headlines and the Church haters her will jump right on the pile.

Okay, I can accept this.

The man needs to have his caretakers refuse to let the press at him.

43 posted on 09/08/2012 7:38:15 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Communist Party = Democrats. Socialist Party = Republicans. WE NEED A CAPITALIST FREEDOM PARTY!)
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To: stanne

So, if this Catholic priest actually indulged in paedophilia now, his current condition would be sufficient to excuse him of the crime?


44 posted on 09/08/2012 7:39:50 AM PDT by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: Lazamataz

Yes, Laz, they are on it.

Have been since it came out a month ago.


45 posted on 09/08/2012 7:40:45 AM PDT by stanne
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To: James C. Bennett

Any one with reasoning ability can look at his bio (and noyone who comments on him ought to read his bio, by the way) can assume he hasn’t . . .

Oh I am wasting my efforts


46 posted on 09/08/2012 7:45:44 AM PDT by stanne
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To: stanne

What facts? That he was a good priest? Who’s arguing that he wasn’t.
Some say he has no control over what he says. That appears to be so, but what does he say? Does he start praising Satan? No, he starts arguing a point that I suspects is common in the priesthood but that other priests know not to say.


47 posted on 09/08/2012 7:54:13 AM PDT by conejo99
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To: conejo99

What Ever


48 posted on 09/08/2012 7:55:10 AM PDT by stanne
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To: Renfield
People have this picture in their minds of a person planning to -- a psychopath. But that's not the case. Suppose you have a man having a nervous breakdown, and a youngster comes after him. A lot of the cases, the youngster -- 14, 16, 18 -- is the seducer.

There is nothing wrong with this statement, and Father Groeschel has a PhD in psychology to put behind his words. Do the critics?

49 posted on 09/08/2012 7:58:29 AM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: conejo99; stanne

LOL, exactly.

Their “justification” runs along the lines of “help this many people for this long a duration and you can commit this many crimes...”

Modern-day indulgences, anyone?


50 posted on 09/08/2012 8:21:26 AM PDT by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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