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Queens man dies after attacking kickboxing gas-station clerk
NY Post ^ | 7 Sept 2012 | GEORGETT ROBERTS, NATASHA VELEZ and BOB FREDERICKS

Posted on 09/08/2012 6:27:01 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici

He picked the wrong guy to mess with.

A drunken Queens man went berserk after he couldn’t get an ATM to work at a gas station early yesterday and was killed when he turned his rage to the attendant — a former competitive kickboxer.

“I feel bad. I didn’t mean for the guy to die. He called me a Taliban,” said Jasjeet Walia, who was released from custody last night after being grilled by cops all day.

“I feel like throwing up. I’m having a bad headache,” said Walia, an amateur kickboxer for seven years in his native Mumbai.

Arzeno had just collected a bundle of cash from a police-brutality suit against the NYPD.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: brutality; kickboxing; police; queens
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Karma. Obviously the dead guy had a hot temper so I'm going to guess "police brutality" lawsuit was somewhat contrived.

Only to die in a gas station parking lot for being an idiot.

1 posted on 09/08/2012 6:27:08 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici
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To: VeniVidiVici

We live in troubled times. The Bombey boxer was trained to defend himself. The drunk made his appointment


2 posted on 09/08/2012 6:38:35 AM PDT by Broker (November... VICTORY or DEATH!!)
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To: VeniVidiVici

Jasjeet Walia is a name Sikhs use. The wrong type of people to choose to mess with.


4 posted on 09/08/2012 6:39:13 AM PDT by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: VeniVidiVici
The suit accused cops of punching him and kneeling on his chest during an arrest.

Why would they want to do that with a nice calm, gentle guy like Oscar? /s

5 posted on 09/08/2012 6:46:09 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: James C. Bennett

Sikhs are good people. Clean, honest hard working.

Man was killed by his own stupidity.


6 posted on 09/08/2012 6:52:21 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Texas Fossil

That has been my impression.


7 posted on 09/08/2012 7:07:52 AM PDT by rlmorel ("It is dangerous to be right in matters where established men are wrong." Voltaire)
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To: Right Wing Assault

Martial arts skill is one weapon the feds can’t confiscate.


8 posted on 09/08/2012 7:12:13 AM PDT by Tuanedge
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To: VeniVidiVici

,,,, sometimes crime doesn’t pay ,,, find another occupation .


9 posted on 09/08/2012 7:12:23 AM PDT by Lionheartusa1 (-: Socialism is the equal distribution of misery :-)
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To: VeniVidiVici
"Marilyn Machado, 26, the mother of Arzeno’s first child..."

You can fill-in the rest of this guy's bio.

10 posted on 09/08/2012 7:28:00 AM PDT by pabianice (washington, dc ..)
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To: Tuanedge
True, but they're definitely working on it.

In some states, having proven martial arts ability qualifies your body as a deadly weapon.

If you injure someone, even if they hit you first, you can be charged with “assault with a deadly weapon”. The risk increases if your assailant is part of a certain protected class of “people”.

The rationale is that a professional fighter can subdue someone without injury and any injury caused is unnecessary and on purpose.

Never register your martial arts ability and never publicly boast about your belts, trophies, etc.

11 posted on 09/08/2012 7:28:57 AM PDT by varyouga
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To: Tuanedge

The use of martial arts may bring into question how much force was used on the drunk. This guy was a competitive kick boxer and knew what he was doing and the drunk died. I don’t know if he could go to jail for that or just open himself to a law suit from the family. I’ve heard of this happening even if someone ‘s defending himself.


12 posted on 09/08/2012 7:31:19 AM PDT by virgil
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To: tomkat
One less what?

Come on, nobody knows who you are behind the anonymity of your freep name...be brave, tell us exactly what you mean...or be a punk and smirk.

13 posted on 09/08/2012 7:35:40 AM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: virgil
That is the kind of second guessing that goes on with juries that have never been in difficult situations.
The drunk knew what he was doing when he got drunk and how it might turn out since he has done it before.
an enraged drunk is just as dangerous as a loaded gun. you have no way of knowing what his skills are or what he will do to you if he is able to get a momentary advantage while you are trying to use minimum force..
14 posted on 09/08/2012 7:44:52 AM PDT by oldbrowser (An empty chair attracts a stadium full of empty chairs.)
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To: VeniVidiVici

I’m not sure how I feel about this one. A skilled fighter killing a drunk doesn’t really impress.


15 posted on 09/08/2012 7:45:10 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: James C. Bennett

My classmates back in HS were Sikhs too so I recognized the name pattern.

Great business-minded culture and warm people as I got invited to lunches all the time. The one thing I couldn’t stand was the strong smell of curry. it’s like they bathe in it..


16 posted on 09/08/2012 7:52:25 AM PDT by max americana (Make the world a better place by punching a liberal in the face)
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To: skeeter

He’d make a good cop. Good for the gene pool.


17 posted on 09/08/2012 7:55:08 AM PDT by DIRTYSECRET
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To: James C. Bennett

Yeah. Sikhs are only one step less deadly than Ghurkas.


18 posted on 09/08/2012 7:58:32 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Communist Party = Democrats. Socialist Party = Republicans. WE NEED A CAPITALIST FREEDOM PARTY!)
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To: varyouga
Never register your martial arts ability and never publicly boast about your belts, trophies, etc.

All those fell into the lake this summer during the same terrible incident where I lost my guns.

19 posted on 09/08/2012 8:03:01 AM PDT by ASA Vet (Natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. De Vattel)
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To: Lazamataz
Yeah. Sikhs are only one step less deadly than Ghurkas.

Just add this.


20 posted on 09/08/2012 8:06:45 AM PDT by eddie willers
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To: varyouga
One cannot register oneself as a deadly weapon. That's a myth stemming from the early '70s following the posthumous success of Bruce Lee's Enter the Dragon (which brought about a martial arts renaissance). The only 'registration' I know of is in Florida, and that's a gimmick from a certain Dojang (Korean for Dojo) that teaches a Korean martial art called HapKiDo. Most importantly is the fact that most martial artists, including black belts, are from styles that are woefully inadequate for self defence. If you go to a Dojo or Dojang that has 15 year old TaeKwonDo black belts you have entered what is termed as a McDojo. Useless stuff that is only useful in instilling confidence in children.

What this guy was doing is a style of kickboxing called Muay Thai that is most definitely the real deal. Loads of conditioning (meaning that not only can he give a strong blow but he can also take it), hitting endlessly until the shins and elbows are calloused and desensitised (meaning he can hit you harder without feeling pain himself), and an aggressive mindset. I have a close friend who also killed a man using his Muay Thai skills when he was robbed at an ATM in Nairobi. He was jumped by two men, and although he had a license for a gun (one needs to have a license to carry in Kenya, which is quite the laborious process) he simply didn't have time to reach for it. With both guys attacking nonstop all he could do is hit back and he fortunately got one guy with a lucky kick (who ran away since a lot of thugs aren't necessarily that brave and expect their victims to play the role) and he chocked the other one (killing him by mistake). He wasn't charges.

You are 100% right on the need to be careful of you know martial arts - especially reality-based martial arts systems. It is all too easy for a jury to say you acted unreasonably, and if it is revealed that you practice Kali or Silat (Filipino and Indonesia arts, respectively, that are the best for using knives), and you used your knife to mess up some guy - you may go to jail. Google Leo Gaje JR to see what Petiki Kirsia Kali teaches for knife attacks - crazy stuff that I can get away with in Africa but will throw you in jail in New York. Or say you know Krav Maga and you kill a pickpocket! Very easy for a jury to say you could have controlled the situation better. The system I do always recommends that I VERY LOUDLY shout that 'I don't want to fight' and 'please don't hurt me' or 'you are scaring me now' so that any witnesses can know whatever happens next is not my fault. It makes no sense to win a fight and then go to jail.

21 posted on 09/08/2012 8:06:57 AM PDT by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: wtc911

One less illegal invader? Got his lamp blowed out,, tragic tragic./


22 posted on 09/08/2012 8:07:27 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: wtc911
First of all, FU

Secondly, one less riotous moron who thinks other people and their possessions are theirs to destroy/harm whenever the mood strikes 'em .. drunken or otherwise.

23 posted on 09/08/2012 8:07:40 AM PDT by tomkat ( FU hussein)
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To: VeniVidiVici

Hopefully the money that the dead coward extorted from the taxpayers through his lawsuit will go to the illegitimate children he never would have bothered to support. Sad when the best thing you can do for your kids is to die while committing a felony.


24 posted on 09/08/2012 8:07:50 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: pabianice
She probably just struck it rich...
25 posted on 09/08/2012 8:08:02 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: eddie willers

The problem with a “throwing” type knife is that if you miss you’ve now armed your foe.


26 posted on 09/08/2012 8:11:10 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: spetznaz

are you saying be careful about bringing a fist to a knife or gun fight?

this is how stupid we are today. if you fight off an assailant with a knife or gun by socking said assailant with your fist hard enough to knock said assailant through st. peter’s gate, it ought to be considered the assailant’s risk not yours. this is not talking about beating up further on a fallen assailant of course.


27 posted on 09/08/2012 8:14:57 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew (or is that lou?))
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To: spetznaz
I never said one can actually register themselves as a deadly weapon.

I only said it will be used against you in court if you scratch one of “Obama’s sons” and the Jury buys that you traumatized the kid just as he was "turning his life around".

28 posted on 09/08/2012 8:17:55 AM PDT by varyouga
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To: Texas Fossil

Familiy member spent years married to one.

Problem-free guy, except maniacal driver. They parted amicably, no fuss divorce. Think he had to go back to India for family reasons.


29 posted on 09/08/2012 8:18:39 AM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (I will fear no muslim))
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To: tomkat

The guy just had NYC deposit 250,000 into his bank account. And got abusive to the guy working nightshift at the gas station. And what special kind of moron thinks the CLERK at the gas station has any access to the ATM?

Freakin’ nouveau riche, always boorish.


30 posted on 09/08/2012 8:20:41 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: DesertRhino

LOL! Maybe his broker just told him he couldn’t possibly live off the interest of only $250K.


31 posted on 09/08/2012 8:26:46 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Congrats to Ted Kennedy! He's been sober for two years now!!)
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To: virgil

He will be sued for “using excessive force” Martial artists are always under that threat whether they are attacked or not. Even the best trained matial artist may have to use damaging force to protect themselves.


32 posted on 09/08/2012 8:28:11 AM PDT by clamper1797 (I mourn for the America I grew up in ..fought for ..and loved ..July 4 1776- June 28 2012)
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To: DesertRhino
My sympathy is reserved for the clerk > I feel like throwing up

The poor guy will likely become yet more grist for the trampling mill of antisocial appeasement.

33 posted on 09/08/2012 8:29:49 AM PDT by tomkat ( FU hussein)
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To: DesertRhino

Illegal invader? I know plenty of people with names like that who are third generation Americans. How do you know he’s illegal? Nevermind - we know.


34 posted on 09/08/2012 8:29:49 AM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: clamper1797

so silly. kick boxer to attacker with gun: “drop the gun or i will kick you to death.” attacker does not drop gun. kick boxer kicks attacker to death as promised. what’s the matter?


35 posted on 09/08/2012 8:30:21 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew (or is that lou?))
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To: tomkat

Yeah, we all know that’s what you meant.


36 posted on 09/08/2012 8:31:08 AM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: VeniVidiVici
A drunken Queens man went berserk

I suspect there were also drugs up his nose which likely contributed to his death.......

37 posted on 09/08/2012 8:40:18 AM PDT by Hot Tabasco (My 6 pack abs are now a full keg......)
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To: spetznaz
There are systems that use pressure points ... RyuKyu Kempo and Small Circle Jujitsu to name two . These points properly used can render an assailant unconsious ... or even stop the heart with one or two simutaneous very quick strikes. It is then up to the martial artist to revive them. If the heart stops this way even CPR won't bring them back as the electrical system has been short circuited but the trained martial artist can ... most times.

As far as McDojos and pre-teen "black belts" ... SOME TKD schools are notorious for this ... I've heard schools like this called "Take Your Do" and "Partial Arts". We also call them "candy shops"

38 posted on 09/08/2012 8:40:42 AM PDT by clamper1797 (I mourn for the America I grew up in ..fought for ..and loved ..July 4 1776- June 28 2012)
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To: wtc911

Oh,,it’s a safe bet if you are honest about it. And third generation? I’ll skip the joke about the 33 year old Abuelas ive met. Racism is funny (odd) sometimes. For example, your racism leads you to side WITH someone because of their race.

But no, im not a racist, im a culturalist. And i think he was classically representing the ethos of the homeland. Either PR or Mexico. I do not think those cultures are as good as the American one i grew up in.


39 posted on 09/08/2012 8:44:32 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

No problem with me. Anyone who puts a gun (or knife) within my reach will find that it is now my gun in less than a second


40 posted on 09/08/2012 8:54:27 AM PDT by clamper1797 (I mourn for the America I grew up in ..fought for ..and loved ..July 4 1776- June 28 2012)
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To: wtc911

But it’s not because of race as you so defiantly assume. For example, i’m very pleased with the nice guy from Mumbai. I’d welcome him as a neighbor or friend any day.

More of some cultures, less of others.
And my other small minded rule is that if you come here, you may bring your music, food, literature, and holidays. But you must leave all the old world squabbles at home. I could give a flying fornication what injustice occurred in Kosovo in 1488, or why hutus hate the tutsis. That doesnt belong in America.
Oh, and you have to agree that your women are fair game.
See?? I’m a reasonable fella.


41 posted on 09/08/2012 8:55:26 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: Texas Fossil

Sikhs are also people who have honor killed their daughters in Britain and blew up Air India Flight 182 off the coast of Ireland, killing 329 people.

Not to mention assassinating the prime minister of India.


42 posted on 09/08/2012 8:58:28 AM PDT by heartwood
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To: heartwood

Almost all Sikhs will tell you that this was sick


43 posted on 09/08/2012 9:02:24 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew (or is that lou?))
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To: clamper1797
Now I would really like to know how the trained martial artist restarts a heart that is undergoing commotio cordis, v-fib, most times.

It would save so much wasted time with defibrillators, sticking on the pads and analyzing rhythm.

44 posted on 09/08/2012 9:05:02 AM PDT by heartwood
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Criminal gangs in Vancouver too. And the owners of a company where my husband used to work, who ran it as an H1-B funnel until it tanked.

Yeah, there are clean, honest, decent Sikhs, very many of them.

They just don’t qualify as a model minority in my mind.


45 posted on 09/08/2012 9:09:47 AM PDT by heartwood
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To: heartwood

No subgroup of Homo sapiens could fit the qualification you ask. Fallenness means no such thing exists. And so what. Sikhs as a whole rival most other minority groups of the USA for decency. Anyhow. Did this fellow misbehave by kicking his assailant to death. Even the cops concluded no.


46 posted on 09/08/2012 9:16:21 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew (or is that lou?))
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To: heartwood

Well the precordial thump known to Western medicine is a version of this. What would be a very interesting story is how this was ever researched by the martial artists. Did they have persons that they considered low lifes to experiment upon? Killing then reviving?


47 posted on 09/08/2012 9:18:48 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew (or is that lou?))
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To: VeniVidiVici

Jasjeet Walia. Oh dear, a Sikh kickboxer. And Mumbai is pretty big on kickboxing, so if he was competitive...

Ouch.


48 posted on 09/08/2012 9:23:05 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (DIY Bumper Sticker: "THREE TIMES,/ DEMOCRATS/ REJECTED GOD")
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To: VeniVidiVici

Something is odd here. Here is a nearly identical article, except that the kickboxer’s name is given as “Jesse Singh” (still a Sikh name).

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/queens/man-killed-gas-station-attendant-dies-a-broken-neck-article-1.1154682


49 posted on 09/08/2012 9:26:09 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (DIY Bumper Sticker: "THREE TIMES,/ DEMOCRATS/ REJECTED GOD")
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To: VeniVidiVici

A big THANK YOU from this Floridian to Jasjeet Walia for taking out the trash, so we in Florida would not be obligated!
My hope is Fat Al and Jesse Jester don’t show up and try to Zimmerman Jasjeet.


50 posted on 09/08/2012 9:28:40 AM PDT by GOYAKLA (Recall/ Impeachment Day, November 6, 2012. FUBO, same for RINOs)
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