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U.S. Bridges, Roads Being Built by Chinese Firms
ABC News ^ | Sep 23, 2011 | Chris Cuomo

Posted on 09/08/2012 8:21:05 AM PDT by Harley

U.S. Bridges, Roads Being Built by Chinese Firms Cities hire Chinese instead of American workers for building projects. (WATCH VIDEO)

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: chinese; jobs
Incredible. This is a report from almost one year ago. I never heard this, because I never watch the mainstream. This video could help people decide who to vote for in November. The lead-in with Obama promising jobs in the U.S. by improving our infrastructure is so typical of all his promises! Our tax dollars are at work- for CHINA !!!
1 posted on 09/08/2012 8:21:10 AM PDT by Harley
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To: Harley

The FR Free Traitors are pleased. Nothing to see here, move along.


2 posted on 09/08/2012 8:32:17 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Harley

A couple of things here.

1. Much as we might hate to admit it, who currently has the most experience in large scale construction projects? It sure isn’t the USA. We’re stagnant. The Chinese have been building like mad for 20 years now. They have a very experienced construction industry.

2. Most American governments operate under “competitive bid” laws requiring the project be awarded to the most competitive bidder. If the Chinese under bid American firms, they have to get the job.

3. As many people who deal with the Chinese know, when you do business with the Chinese, it’s only after you sign the contract that the real negotiation begins. If the Chinese win a competitive bid up front, they will nickle and dime the government to death with “change orders” and other obfuscations that will drive the cost of the project sky-high. The Chinese are experts at this (some American firms, like Walsh out of Chicago, are pretty good at it too). But under American law, that’s what you get.

4. You could bar the foreign firms from the American market, but as protectionist legislation usually works, it will drive up the price and drive down competitiveness.

The best answer to this is to bring back competitive real private sector economic growth and let government get out of the way. A vibrant, competitive American construction industry will only exist in a growing private sector economy. We keep the Chinese out only by being better than them.


3 posted on 09/08/2012 8:32:49 AM PDT by henkster (We're the slaves of the phony leaders...)
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To: henkster; Harley

You see Harley it didn’t take long...The Free Traitors rapists like their victims to lay back and enjoy it. Quit fighting the dragon.


4 posted on 09/08/2012 8:35:39 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

What an ignoramus. Read an elementary economics book for cripes sake.


5 posted on 09/08/2012 9:09:28 AM PDT by DManA
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To: Harley

Didn’t the Chinese build the railways back in the day? Not much changes it seems.


6 posted on 09/08/2012 9:13:59 AM PDT by deport
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To: DManA

I sincerely hope when Romney wins the presidency, we for once finally protect American jobs.

Dems and Republicans have both sold out America.

This has gone on long enough to severely damage America.

The time is now. Elect Romney, and have him fix “free trade”, because as things currently stand, neither party is doing jack about the ever increasing problem.


7 posted on 09/08/2012 9:14:17 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (America doesn't need any new laws. America needs freedom!)
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To: DManA

You should read an elementary civics book.

Then you might understand America, and not push the globalist agenda so hard.


8 posted on 09/08/2012 9:16:37 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: henkster
A vibrant, competitive American construction industry will only exist in a growing private sector economy. We keep the Chinese out only by being better than them.

OR we could make it fair by demanding contracts mean the same thing - nickle and dime-ing - by law - must be held to a given percentage of the original bid. For the few American firms that 'scam' this would work as an incentive to be honorable.

It's bad business to set up a system where cheaters win. Perverse incentive that run good companies out of business - or corrupts them - undermine the country.

9 posted on 09/08/2012 9:18:51 AM PDT by GOPJ (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading - T. Jefferson)
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To: Harley

The world elite is selling America out. Our leaders are owned by them. It is time to clean them all out.


10 posted on 09/08/2012 9:21:58 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Corollary - Electing the same person over and over and expecting a different outcome is insanity)
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To: Harley

This needs to be in a commercial run 24/7 in Nevada.

A bulk of our 12% unemployed is in the construction industry.

And please don’t tell me we aren’t competitive with the Chinese in building things. We do it much better — the problem is UNIONS make us uncompetitive.


11 posted on 09/08/2012 9:22:16 AM PDT by sf4dubya (I rebelled against my parents by becoming a conservative. REJECT THEN STOP SOCIALISM THIS NOV!)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
"I sincerely hope when Romney wins the presidency, we for once finally protect American jobs."

Do you really think that off-shoring Romney has this in mind?

MADE IN USA awaits being adopted by whichever party loses this election. It will surface in 2016, by which time, unemployment will be worse. Then the 'USA, USA, USA' yell at both conventions will mean just that.

12 posted on 09/08/2012 9:24:14 AM PDT by ex-snook (without forgiveness there is no Christianity)
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To: ex-snook

Yes.


13 posted on 09/08/2012 9:25:18 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (America doesn't need any new laws. America needs freedom!)
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To: DManA
I minored in econ in college. Unfortunately free market economics is apolitical until you reach the "waters edge". Then it is political. When I was young and naive like you I thought ecomomncs operated in a political vacuum. I've since learned.

Karl Marx preached Free trade. You are a Marxist and don't even know it.

14 posted on 09/08/2012 9:26:33 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: DManA
ecomomncs = ecomomics

Not that I give rats a$$ if a Free Traitor thinks I can't spell.

15 posted on 09/08/2012 9:29:54 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: deport

Those were Chinese immigrants to this country, not Chinese firms.


16 posted on 09/08/2012 9:31:32 AM PDT by sf4dubya (I rebelled against my parents by becoming a conservative. REJECT THEN STOP SOCIALISM THIS NOV!)
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To: Harley
Here is the class struggle in the USA in a nutshell. The middle class is being jettisoned. The very wealthy need the uneducated migrant poor to clean their toilets and mow their grass and baby sit their bratty chillun'. There is a symbiotic relationship between the upper and lower classes. They need each other. The middle class is a useless, hard to control, mouthy bunch of wannabes. As the middle class dissolves, most will slowly go down, a few up. The remaining middle class will be a few professionals and bureaucrats. This is the Latin American model which we are running towards at break neck speed.

Free Trade speeds up this process.

17 posted on 09/08/2012 9:39:05 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

I agree.

I was free-trade (very) early.

I am now reversing course. We need to bring back American manufacturing.

Now.


18 posted on 09/08/2012 9:42:15 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (America doesn't need any new laws. America needs freedom!)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Free Traders = Marxists


19 posted on 09/08/2012 9:44:33 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Harley

Shared on Facebook.


20 posted on 09/08/2012 9:47:40 AM PDT by Dan Zachary
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To: central_va

I believe “free trade” could have been done differently.

As it started it had hope.

However we did not demand reciprocity. We jumped in without insisting on protections for our own manufacturing.

We signed, and we made a lot of money. Now we fact the results of that...

Our manufacturing is gone. Our government has become a HUGE expensive hand-out.

And almost less than half of Americans now pay taxes.

It is time to recognize we did it wrong. And back-track.

Now.

Not in four years.

Now.


21 posted on 09/08/2012 9:48:20 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (America doesn't need any new laws. America needs freedom!)
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To: central_va

So if you were you in charge, you would arrest the entire Cato Institute staff then?


22 posted on 09/08/2012 9:49:49 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Obama should change his campaign slogan to "Yes, we am!" Sounds as stupid as his administration is.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
I am just calling balls and strikes. Look to the other side for real fascism.

As a trained engineer I was instructed to take every system under design to its limits as proof of concept. Lets take the trade arguments to their limits. Lets remove all unions, taxes and regulations from manufacturing in the USA. All of it. Now having "unleashed" the US worker I argue that the US worker would still be undercut by third world slave labor regardless, perhaps at a slower pace but the off shoring would continue. Under these circumstances then, it would be illogical to manufacture anything in the USA. There is enough slave labor in China alone to manufacture everything in the entire world.

23 posted on 09/08/2012 9:58:36 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

“There is enough slave labor in China alone to manufacture everything in the entire world.”

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Emphatic bump.


24 posted on 09/08/2012 10:01:05 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (America doesn't need any new laws. America needs freedom!)
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To: henkster; central_va

And the Chinese have SUCH a fantastic record with high quality materials and workmanship! You can almost call all Chinese stuff “single use only” if that!!!!

Including bridges.


25 posted on 09/08/2012 10:10:23 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: central_va

See I don’t think they’ve thought this through.

You missed the last step.

There is a shrinking middle class. There is no doubt of that.

What you leave out is the rest of the world. Manufacturing.

By eliminating manufacturing, we eliminate wealth creation, so now we are merely arguing back and forth about who controls what portion of a (shrinking) whole.

Asia becomes stronger. Rapidly.

What we are witnessing is the end of the West.

The end. Not merely an adaption. If we do not turn this around, we perish.


26 posted on 09/08/2012 10:11:02 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (America doesn't need any new laws. America needs freedom!)
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To: little jeremiah

I ordered headlight lenses on ebay for a ‘02 mitsubishi. They came stamped made in China. Funny, the drivers side was for the wrong year. But the box had the correct label. So the factory worker stuffed the wrong lens into the box instead of correcting the problem. See in a slave factory you dont stop production just slap and go.


27 posted on 09/08/2012 10:15:17 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
It is time to recognize we did it wrong. And back-track.

The type of manufacturing in question is not coming back, no matter what government does. Even Chinese workers are gradually being replaced by automation. Some factories are already starting to come back onshore due to higher transportation and raw materials costs, but jobs aren't coming with them - robots are. The age of the Middle Class American Factory Worker is long gone - and the manual stuff will move on to Africa as Asia slowly gets too expensive.

We could perhaps require that American companies get all public infrastructure contracts - but we could not then afford to complete any of those projects unless union labor was explicitly prohibited (and imagine how that would go over.)

We are undergoing a major economic shift just like the Industrial Revolution. In that time farmers could move to the city and work in factories - today, so far, factory workers have little to shift to besides lower-paying service work. And that is almost entirely the fault of government.

Our government has been shaped for a century to answer to the needs and priorities of Industrial Age companies (especially the banks) - thus, our system of laws does not account for the potential of the individual in the Information Age and in fact actively works to stifle him in an attempt to curry political favor from banks, industrialists, and antiquated union labor.

The computer/Internet boom of the late 90's largely happened because government was caught flat-footed and didn't know how to respond or regulate or tax what was going on. Some analogous development will no doubt come along that we can't foresee right now, resulting in another Information Age mini-boom though repurposing idled factory workers and doing it so quickly that the statists can't cope with it. Such booms are much more likely to take hold if government keeps out of the way.

Unfortunately, using government to erect and enforce trade barriers is not going to achieve the desired purpose - government will get stronger, but the economy won't.

Free trade policies may have ended the American Industrial Revolution a decade too early. But ending them now can't bring it back.

28 posted on 09/08/2012 10:22:08 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves (CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
Oh yeah the last step is interesting. Having reduced our ability to fight a war of attrition to zero, we are left with a conundrum. We go nuclear and destroy the ChiCom base and they will surely strike back.

By off shoring Free Traitors have eliminated the conventional option. Mushroom clouds on the horizon....

29 posted on 09/08/2012 10:22:32 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

At current speed and direction, I agree 100%.

That is why I have completely reversed course.

We have (far) overstepped all logic in outsourcing. We have lost control.

We need to quickly reverse course and rebuild. Re-build. Re-build, and manufacture things in America again.

Using trade barriers to every extent possible.

Now.


30 posted on 09/08/2012 10:27:28 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (America doesn't need any new laws. America needs freedom!)
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To: Mr. Jeeves

The factory, whether its automated or not, is irrelevant. What is important to me is the location of the factory. Factories need to be in the USA, as every manufacturing facility has the ability to provide for national security in a “real” war.


31 posted on 09/08/2012 10:35:23 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

Hub haunts auctions and garage sales for old tools/parts etc that are made in the US or even in Taiwan or Japan.

Chinese junk is JUNK. The rubber stinks and cracks, the aluminum rusts, the iron cracks and breaks. Nothing fits. It’s worthless. Anyone reading news has read about huge Chinese projects in China that disintegrate and fall apart. A commie/thugocracy that destroys its own environment and people so an elite few can become filthy rich should NOT be supported by “American” businesses. Companies have gone there to manufacture just so that they can make more money off of serf labor and no environmental laws, and no doubt politicians got some $ out of the mess.

China can’t collapse too soon; it’s happening as we speak.


32 posted on 09/08/2012 11:18:58 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: henkster; All
. . . 1. Much as we might hate to admit it, who currently has the most experience in large scale construction projects? It sure isn’t the USA. We’re stagnant. The Chinese have been building like mad for 20 years now. They have a very experienced construction industry. . . .

ROFL
Chinese suspension bridge collapse kills three
Three people die in Heilongjiang province in sixth major bridge collapse in past year, . . .
33 posted on 09/08/2012 11:47:17 AM PDT by khelus
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To: Harley

No news here. Profits at all costs is the name of the game. If you can’t take the work to the slaves, bring the slaves to the work. This shows that slave labor is working its way up the food chain, and eventually even high end financial, business, government, technical, and even jobs considered to be outsourcing resistant will be vulnerable. Welcome to the global economy folks, where no boat is left floating.


34 posted on 09/08/2012 12:21:10 PM PDT by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: factoryrat

Troll alert!


35 posted on 09/08/2012 12:27:27 PM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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To: bert

Oh noes! Now their importing trolls to live under the bridges.

Yeah, right, seriously.

Couldn’t build it without the help of your chinese comrades?

If that’s the case, then we’re in deeper trouble than I originally thought.


36 posted on 09/08/2012 12:41:35 PM PDT by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: bmwcyle
The world elite is selling America out. Our leaders are owned by them. It is time to clean them all out.

Without question, absolutely!

We get this country right and do it really fast, or the government and their wealthy elite insider friends, who have zero allegiance to the U.S., will leave America dead on the floor.

37 posted on 09/08/2012 12:57:47 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: factoryrat; Harley
No news here. Profits at all costs is the name of the game.

Profits regardless of consequences.

It's the same with our lawless bleeding borders. The fat corps and big biz owners love the dirt cheap labor. They want employees who think a 5 minute break is a company benefit, who smile while making 9 bucks an hour, as they bankroll the Republicans and Democrats to make damn sure those borders remain wide open, with continued waves of low wage workers.

Those making the big profits do not care when hundreds of thousands of American jobs and businesses end up in Mexico or Red China, India etc.

They just don't give a damn. Just looking around at our debt, standard of living, borders and our economy, it *totally* substantiates this.

Their wealth goes through the roof, while Ma and Pa in Kansas or Nevada watch theirs go into the toilet.

Send hundreds of thousands of jobs/businesses overseas, while routinely importing tens of hundreds thousands of low wage foreigners?

Who are these people who suggested this would benefit America?

It's literally national suicide.

38 posted on 09/08/2012 1:12:30 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: central_va
Here is the class struggle in the USA in a nutshell. The middle class is being jettisoned. The very wealthy need the uneducated migrant poor to clean their toilets and mow their grass and baby sit their bratty chillun'. There is a symbiotic relationship between the upper and lower classes. They need each other. The middle class is a useless, hard to control, mouthy bunch of wannabes. As the middle class dissolves, most will slowly go down, a few up. The remaining middle class will be a few professionals and bureaucrats. This is the Latin American model which we are running towards at break neck speed.
Free Trade speeds up this process.


Sort of reminds me of Orwell's "1984" structure, you had the "Inner Party" with all the goodies and more which is comparable to our upper class. The "Outer Party" is the shrinking middle class who live nowhere near as well as the Inner party but do have few/some perks. Then at the bottom, you have the "proles" who are at the bottom. I know the society of 1984 is a lot more controlling than even what we are seeing now but I do find some parts to be similar.
39 posted on 09/08/2012 1:50:38 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (June 28th, 2012, the Day America Jumped The Shark.)
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To: central_va
I ordered headlight lenses on ebay for a ‘02 mitsubishi. They came stamped made in China. Funny, the drivers side was for the wrong year. But the box had the correct label. So the factory worker stuffed the wrong lens into the box instead of correcting the problem. See in a slave factory you dont stop production just slap and go.

I worked in auto parts myself and I've seen that A LOT! The rotors for a car might by numbered correctly on the box but you might get the wrong ones occasionally and then that needs to be fixed ASAP. I've seen it also with brake pads, master cylinders, you name it. Most of the stuff is made in Red China.
40 posted on 09/08/2012 1:54:37 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (June 28th, 2012, the Day America Jumped The Shark.)
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To: Harley
If it wasn't the Chinese, it would be the Mexicans. Either way...

The Kenyan must go.

41 posted on 09/08/2012 1:54:45 PM PDT by ex91B10 (We've tried the Soap Box,the Ballot Box and the Jury Box; ONE BOX LEFT!)
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To: central_va
"Karl Marx preached Free trade. You are a Marxist and don't even know it. "

So you're against a company protecting their investors money AND helping people from places other than America to rise out of the third world sh*tholes they live in and maybe get, let's say, clean running water? Be able to afford food for the family? Be able to pay for simple medical care?

Sounds like you want to keep the rest of the world in the sh*tpile while you live high on the hog.

The Kenyan must go.

42 posted on 09/08/2012 2:00:27 PM PDT by ex91B10 (We've tried the Soap Box,the Ballot Box and the Jury Box; ONE BOX LEFT!)
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To: central_va
Oh yeah the last step is interesting. Having reduced our ability to fight a war of attrition to zero, we are left with a conundrum. We go nuclear and destroy the ChiCom base and they will surely strike back.
By off shoring Free Traitors have eliminated the conventional option. Mushroom clouds on the horizon....


Well, my father said the same thing. He was stationed at Camp Casey in South Korea about 1955/56. I said to Mom during the Olympics when the Chi-Comm came on, "we will end up fighting those people someday." Even in 1950 with all the people they had then, there is the old adage where if you had a magic machine gun that never ran out of bullet nor wear out, starting out at the age of 16, you'd be an old man still firing away .... and they will still be coming.

I think for better or worse, we should have let McArthur do an atomic war dance on Red China and looking back, it was a mistake for Nixon to go there, even though I'm judging the politics of the 1972 world with 2012 eyes.

No matter what, we would have to use atomic weapons on them. If it happened now, I think we would survive much better off (assuming no other nations come to the party) than the Red Chinese would. I would be a curb-stomp where Red China would cease to exist as a country, but we'd take our lumps too. We might have to trade of cities like LA, Frisco, San Diego, Portland (OR), Seattle, etc., to take them out totally.

I'm generally libertarian on most things. I don't care who sleeps with who as long as both (or all) parties consent and are at or above the age of consent as well as assume any responsibility and accountability. Homosexual marriage, leave it to the States, ideally, government should stay out of that totally. Still when it comes to our national security and survival, that's where it generally ends.

Free trade is a great idea if all or most of the world generally expects the same things, the wages are similar, living conditions are similar and laws are similar, but when you compete against a place that has slave labor and we don't, it is like putting a Dodge Challenger against a go-kart in a road race.

I understand where the free traders are coming from, they are right where we have to lower taxes and regulations, we have to do that. Still we also need some form of mechanism to balance things out and to make the slave labor countries less attractive to go to.
43 posted on 09/08/2012 2:07:39 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (June 28th, 2012, the Day America Jumped The Shark.)
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To: ex91B10
So you're against a company protecting their investors money AND helping people from places other than America to rise out of the third world sh*tholes they live in and maybe get, let's say, clean running water? Be able to afford food for the family? Be able to pay for simple medical care?

It's up to the people of each nation and the nations themselves to take care of their needs. I see where you're coming from about capital going where it is treated better, and the Kenyan Marxist is making every effort to chase it out of here. I can see both sides of the debate although all I care about is our own survival and would make decisions based on that.

I might get pounded on this one but here goes. I think a good illustration of a country helping themselves was Libya under Kadaffy. I don't like dictatorships, but it is a different world in the Arab world. They don't know freedom, to them freedom is the idea to vote in a radical Islamist and to go over to the next town and kill people who do not believe as they do. They do need a strongman in power to keep themselves from killing each other. Also, as much as I despise socialism, Kadaffy did things like build schools, built them houses with running water, electricity, A/C and had an economy that was growing at 10% plus.

True, Kadaffy has to answer to God for his terrorist actions in the 1980's, but as long as he behaved in the 2000's and 2010's, leave him alone and let him do his thing. He even advocated the idea of Africa helping themselves which is generally a good idea. Maybe he thought that would enrich himself or maybe he was doing it out of the goodness of his heart, I don't know, but I think it is up to each nation to help themselves. What happened last year is a huge step back IMHO but until recently,, Libya had a fairly high living standard. It's up to each nation to help themselves.
44 posted on 09/08/2012 2:18:12 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (June 28th, 2012, the Day America Jumped The Shark.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
American jobs that need to be “protected” make workers into wards of the government

What people need are real jobs that produce real goods and services that are demand in a real economy

Every High School should have a course in being an entrepreneur where kids start and run real small businesses selling whatever they think they can. Why leave all the opportunities to drug dealers?

45 posted on 09/08/2012 2:20:38 PM PDT by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: Mr. Jeeves
Yeah, that's another thing, we might have to worry about robot labor too. I can foresee at some point in the future that we might have to enact some sort of negative income tax guaranteeing everyone a wage, IIRC, even Milton Friedman mentioned that.

I was talking to a former co-worker of mine, for craps and giggles, he came up with the idea of the UN banning all cargo ships over 5 tons, except for the military, to bring back manufacturing. I can see it appealing to some and maybe it would bring back domestic manufacture but it is a pipe dream at best.
46 posted on 09/08/2012 2:24:17 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (June 28th, 2012, the Day America Jumped The Shark.)
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To: Harley

Modern day coolies?


47 posted on 09/08/2012 2:55:17 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: silverleaf
American jobs that need to be “protected” make workers into wards of the government

Protection manufacturing from foreign slave practices does not protect it form domestic competition. Workers and companies still compete with each other. Get a real argument....

48 posted on 09/08/2012 4:03:08 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: silverleaf
Protecting manufacturing from foreign slave practices does not protect it from free market domestic competition.

Fixed it.

49 posted on 09/08/2012 4:05:12 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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