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Iran Planning To Attack U.S. Warships In The Persian Gulf
Examiner ^ | September 7, 2012

Posted on 09/08/2012 9:46:04 AM PDT by Fennie

A senior commander of the Islamic Revolution Guard Corps (IRGC) said the US navy is deeply fearful of Iran's naval power in the Persian Gulf, and added that Iran will not leave the US warships undamaged in case of a military move against the country.

"I assure you that if the US warships do a foolish action, they won't leave the area (regional waters) unhurt," Commander of the IRGC Navy Rear Admiral Ali Fadavi said in a gathering in Iran's Northeastern holy city of Mashhad on Wednesday.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bho44; bhomiddleeast; hormuz; iran; israel; obama; usnavy
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To: Venturer
Obama will be forced to go against Muslims that day.

Don't bet on it.

41 posted on 09/08/2012 11:54:33 AM PDT by dearolddad
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To: Venturer

don’t you remember the Obama quote - if things get tough he’d side with the Muslims.

This huge error of 2008 MUST be removed from the White House and take his disgusting staff with him. Holder, Jarrett, Pluff, Tax cheat Geitner, czars et al.

VOTE R/R Nov. 6

42 posted on 09/08/2012 12:08:00 PM PDT by WaterWeWaitinFor (Paul Ryan clings to his gun, sits in his deer stand and is going to be our next VP!)
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To: Ecliptic
We lost lots of ships in WWII.

to nations that actually had a somewhat comparable naval force.....Iran has two row boats and several kayaks. The attack on the ship in Yeman should have NEVER happened. When our ships are deployed anywhere, there should be an inviolable perimeter around them....that should be enforced either by on board firepower or our own small craft. It's time to stop fooling around with the idiots of the world...I think Romney will do that and I don't think Obama will (hasn't yet)

43 posted on 09/08/2012 12:58:01 PM PDT by terycarl
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To: ClearCase_guy
When was the last time we lost a ship to enemy action? I'm not saying that Iran could pull off that stunt, but if it were to happen it would be quite a blow. I'm thinking of the Battle of Jutland in 1916 -- after that, neither England nor Germany was very interested in using their surface fleet for the rest of the war.

You should be thinking "Battle of Salamis." This is what the Iranians are attempting to do, IMO. Lure the large US blue water fleet close to the coast so that they can whack them with all manner of asymmetrical threats - everything from anti-ship missles, mines and agile speedboats.

The USN wargamed this a few years ago by putting a Marine general in charge of the Green Force (Iran). The USN lost by its own assessment of the wargame. Not saying that this will happen in real life. One of the reasons that you wargame is to expose holes in you own warplan. Evidently the Marine, thinking unconventionally, did just that.

44 posted on 09/08/2012 1:05:04 PM PDT by Tallguy (It's all 'Fun and Games' until somebody loses an eye!)
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An aircraft carrier would be incredibly difficult to actually sink. They could manage a “mission kill”, inflicting lots of casualties while knocking a major ship out of action for many years.

45 posted on 09/08/2012 1:09:50 PM PDT by Tallguy (It's all 'Fun and Games' until somebody loses an eye!)
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To: Stonewall Jackson

If the Argentines had properly fused their bombs several of those RN ships on the damaged list would have been sunk. One of those vagaries of war.

46 posted on 09/08/2012 1:11:47 PM PDT by Tallguy (It's all 'Fun and Games' until somebody loses an eye!)
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To: Tallguy

if we have ships in the persian gulf, not outside but within air strike range, and if the iranians are willing to take severe losses just in the attack. it’s easy to sink a us naval vessel.
1. put a submarine in the area. doesn’t have to be close but a diesel boat in gulf waters is hard to detect so 1D has to be covered.
2. put some planes in the AO, just outside shipboard SAM range and carrying ASMs. 2D has to be covered.
3. attack from a 3rd, 4th, and 5th axis with multiple surface missile boats and suicide boghammers. 3D has to be covered.
4. wake up one morning and do it. no advanced warning, no threats.
5. go for the outriders and not the main target. sinking any us navy ship is a major coup.
6. screw any geopolitical consequences or loss of iranian civilians.
one ship or even a couple of ships without air cover cannot cover all 3 sectors adequately if attacked on multiple axis simultaneously. even a 90% success rate will have leakers.
this is basically how the PLAN (chinese navy) pland to attack our carrier battle groups. even eliminating a couple of escorts seriously weakens the overal defense plan.

47 posted on 09/08/2012 1:20:51 PM PDT by bravo whiskey (if the little things really annoy you, maybe it's because the big things are going well.)
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To: bravo whiskey
That would be how you'd do it (attack a carrier group). My point is just that CVA's would continue to float and that the Iranians wouldn't be likely to be able to mount a quick followup attack to actually sink a damaged carrier. Once they lost the element of surprise the CVA gets towed out of the threat area.

It's possible my analysis might be wrong. We recently expended the USS Armerica in a major SinkEx. The old carrier was subjected to several attackes before it went down. But the results are classified, so we're all pretty much guessing.

The USN does push CVA's and LHA/LHD's into the Gulf. If we were looking for an attack we might pull the flattops out. But my guess is that the Iranian's would be allowed the first shot.

48 posted on 09/08/2012 1:50:09 PM PDT by Tallguy (It's all 'Fun and Games' until somebody loses an eye!)
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To: WaterWeWaitinFor

If American ships are attacked by Iran Obama will have no choice but to counter-attack or be besieged in his own White House.

The American people would not put up with that BS even if Obama is Muslim and Black.

49 posted on 09/08/2012 2:18:39 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: Tallguy
Yes, they had a few issues with that. They also had a limited number of Exocet missiles to use.

The mission to deny the Argentinians access to additional Exocets is one of the greatest intelligence victories of that era. The British government convinced the French to provide them with data on the missiles' codes and homing radar (which allowed the Brits to decoy a number of them away from their targets) and they established dummy international arms dealerships to lure the Argentinians away from real dealers who might have access to Exocets. The French also came through by "delaying" a shipment of Exocets to Peru after learning that the missiles were to be resold to Argentina.

50 posted on 09/08/2012 2:59:36 PM PDT by Stonewall Jackson ("I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy.")
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To: Tallguy
The Iranians have been working on missiles for the last few years. In addition, Russia and/or China have been helping them. It used to be carriers were thin hulled for ease of maneuverability-which makes them vulnerable.

Remember the Argentinians sunk a five billion dollar British destroyer with a $250,000 dollar Exocet missile.

51 posted on 09/08/2012 4:03:21 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To my way of thinking the only real threat to a large deck CVA (actually sinking it) would be from a large, heavy-weight torpedo designed to snap a keel. A mine could do the same thing, but a carrier isn’t likely to be steaming over a minefield — except perhaps in the Gulf. Hammering away at aircraft carriers with bombs, kamikazes and so forth may kill a lot of crewmen and take the carrier out of battle. But the vessel itself is a very compartmentalized and the crews are (supposed to be) well versed in damage control.

USS Franklin, USS Forestall, USS Enterprise, USS Oriskany... all these ships suffered devastating attacks and fires and all survived.

Several US carriers lost in WW2 were actually sunk by our own cruisers & destroyers because they were dead in the water. But they were still afloat. Given the lengths the US went to to repair that destroyer hit in Aden, I’d say we aren’t going to finish off one of our own carriers. Very bad for morale.

52 posted on 09/08/2012 4:22:00 PM PDT by Tallguy (It's all 'Fun and Games' until somebody loses an eye!)
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To: Fennie


54 posted on 09/09/2012 9:45:43 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: harpu
Obama’s speech writer will know what to do.
55 posted on 09/09/2012 10:05:36 PM PDT by MaxMax
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