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War-weary US is numbed to drumbeat of troop deaths
AP Via WRALNews.com ^ | September 8, 2012 | Robert Burns

Posted on 09/08/2012 11:28:46 AM PDT by NCDragon

WASHINGTON — It was another week at war in Afghanistan, another string of American casualties, and another collective shrug by a nation weary of a faraway conflict whose hallmark is its grinding inconclusiveness.

After nearly 11 years, many by now have grown numb to the sting of losing soldiers like Pfc. Shane W. Cantu of Corunna, Mich. He died of shrapnel wounds in the remoteness of eastern Afghanistan, not far from the getaway route that Osama bin Laden took when U.S. forces invaded after Sept. 11, 2001, and began America's longest war.

Cantu was 10 back then.

Nearly every day the Pentagon posts another formulaic death notice, each one brief and unadorned, revealing the barest of facts - name, age and military unit - but no words that might capture the meaning of the loss.

Cantu, who joined the Italy-based 173rd Airborne Brigade on Sept. 11 last year and went to Afghanistan last month, was among five U.S. deaths announced this past week, as the Democrats and Republicans wrapped up back-to-back presidential nominating conventions.

(Excerpt) Read more at wral.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; bho44; bhodod; bhogwot; fallen; wot
If we had a Republican Prezzy in the white House, the media would be slamming him non-stop about the casualties, the lack of a mission and the bogus rules-of-engagement. But, since it is the Oba-Messiah, he gets a pass on all accounts!

This war is becoming this generations Vietnam War, never ending, non-sensical and the destroyer of our nation's treasure!

1 posted on 09/08/2012 11:28:50 AM PDT by NCDragon
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To: NCDragon

Strangely the drumbeat stopped cold on January 20th 2009.


2 posted on 09/08/2012 11:30:43 AM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: NCDragon
Three hydrogen bombs on 9-12-01 and what a different world it would be now.

3 posted on 09/08/2012 11:33:51 AM PDT by I see my hands (It's time to.. KICK OUT THE JAMS, MOTHER FREEPERS!)
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To: TigersEye

Yes, this article tries to absolve Big Media for ignoring their almighty body count since Hussein’s coronation, by blaming US.


4 posted on 09/08/2012 11:34:06 AM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: treetopsandroofs

It was in the Media every day when Bush was present, but for some reasont the Media ignores casualties these days.

Must have something to do with their being in the bag for Obama.


5 posted on 09/08/2012 11:36:40 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: NCDragon
Is this an offensive war, or are we playing defense, just guarding population centers?

The US military is trained to take the battle to the enemy, not to sit around in a compound waiting for a call. We need to clean out the enemy with no prohibitive rules of engagement; then turn the peace keeping over to NATO and get out.

6 posted on 09/08/2012 11:38:40 AM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: NCDragon
Is this an offensive war, or are we playing defense, just guarding population centers?

The US military is trained to take the battle to the enemy, not to sit around in a compound waiting for a call. We need to clean out the enemy with no prohibitive rules of engagement; then turn the peace keeping over to NATO and get out.

7 posted on 09/08/2012 11:38:46 AM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: NCDragon
Is this an offensive war, or are we playing defense, just guarding population centers?

The US military is trained to take the battle to the enemy, not to sit around in a compound waiting for a call. We need to clean out the enemy with no prohibitive rules of engagement; then turn the peace keeping over to NATO and get out.

8 posted on 09/08/2012 11:38:46 AM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: NCDragon
Is this an offensive war, or are we playing defense, just guarding population centers?

The US military is trained to take the battle to the enemy, not to sit around in a compound waiting for a call. We need to clean out the enemy with no prohibitive rules of engagement; then turn the peace keeping over to NATO and get out.

9 posted on 09/08/2012 11:38:46 AM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: NCDragon
Is this an offensive war, or are we playing defense, just guarding population centers?

The US military is trained to take the battle to the enemy, not to sit around in a compound waiting for a call. We need to clean out the enemy with no prohibitive rules of engagement; then turn the peace keeping over to NATO and get out.

10 posted on 09/08/2012 11:38:46 AM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: NCDragon
Is this an offensive war, or are we playing defense, just guarding population centers?

The US military is trained to take the battle to the enemy, not to sit around in a compound waiting for a call. We need to clean out the enemy with no prohibitive rules of engagement; then turn the peace keeping over to NATO and get out.

11 posted on 09/08/2012 11:38:53 AM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: elpadre

sorry about he multiple posts, have no idea what happened.


12 posted on 09/08/2012 11:41:29 AM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: elpadre

ElPadre... you might wanna quit *sneezing* before you try to post! :)


13 posted on 09/08/2012 11:42:42 AM PDT by NCDragon (If you can't stand behind the troops, try standing in front of them!)
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To: treetopsandroofs

I suppose it is our fault. We should have taken torches and pitchforks to the MSM a long time ago.


14 posted on 09/08/2012 11:44:54 AM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: NCDragon

“.....This war is becoming this generations Vietnam War, never ending, non-sensical and the destroyer of our nation’s treasure!”
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I agree. Afghanistan has convinced me that when countries such as Afghanistan become a cesspool we need to NOT GET INVOLVED. We need to just let them rot, don’t accept their so called “refugees” and, should they engage in any aggression against America (directly or indirectly), just bomb the hell out of them from a distance but commit no ground troops.

With rare exceptions, most of the Islamic world is not worth one American serviceman’s life or wounding.


15 posted on 09/08/2012 11:53:15 AM PDT by House Atreides
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To: NCDragon

I don’t understand “War weary” the media in this country dont report enough about war to make a child frightened the only time i hear about war is from some other news agency in another country our agencies report just enough about our troops and war to piss a person off and want the enemy dead ...

War Weary i think not !


16 posted on 09/08/2012 11:54:09 AM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK (Any man may make a mistake ; none but a fool will persist in it . { Latin proverb })
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To: NCDragon

actually, I think something happened in the UVA-PSU game at the critical moment.


17 posted on 09/08/2012 11:57:48 AM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: I see my hands
I fully support the use of nuclear weapons.

We should have nuked Russia when they tested their first bomb. Message: "You can't have those. We already have them. We will use them. Stop your research."

And we should have nuked any other country that tested such a bomb. Stop them cold before they build an arsenal.

We should have nuked the Yalu River like McArthur wanted to.
We could have nuked Vietnam.

If we were the only country on the planet with that capability, who would dare to start trouble -- anywhere? The world would be a better, more peaceful, more prosperous place if the USA had the courage to use nuclear weapons against the bad guys.

9-12-01 would have been a fine day to unleash nuclear weapons.
Tomorrow would also be OK.

18 posted on 09/08/2012 12:00:11 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (ua)
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To: NCDragon
If we had a Republican Prezzy in the white House, the media would be slamming him non-stop about the casualties, the lack of a mission and the bogus rules-of-engagement.

That's because those kinds of criticisms work with the Republican base. We expect our president to be a competent CiC with clear objectives. Democrats mostly don't serve and don't really care as long as they remain unaffected on a personal level. Oh, they enjoy taking pot-shots at a Republican president, but if it wasn't about a war it would be about some other topic-of-opportunity.

Right now we have a socialist-Democrat in the WH. He isn't paying attention, and by Republican standards is a disaster at being CiC. But the Media won't talk about it, and Democrats demonstrably don't care.

19 posted on 09/08/2012 12:02:09 PM PDT by Tallguy (It's all 'Fun and Games' until somebody loses an eye!)
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To: elpadre
The US military is trained to take the battle to the enemy, not to sit around in a compound waiting for a call.

It's partly that. But a lot of the casualties in Afghanistan are happening in small bases up on the mountainous frontier with Pakistan. A Taliban force sneaks up close (a la the Viet Cong) and lobs a bunch of rockets at these observation posts while trying to overrun them before the (US/NATO) aerial firepower kicks-in. Sounds familiar, doesn't it?

20 posted on 09/08/2012 12:09:42 PM PDT by Tallguy (It's all 'Fun and Games' until somebody loses an eye!)
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To: elpadre

U.S. And its allies (chiefly U.K.) Aren’t ruthless enough to eliminate the Taliban so we should be withdrawing troops right now.


21 posted on 09/08/2012 12:15:20 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: NCDragon

Compared to Chicago, Philadelphia, DC, Detroit........ a young black man is safer in the army in Afghanistan.

Democrats promote murder at the local level


22 posted on 09/08/2012 12:23:34 PM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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To: NCDragon

Casualties have risen since Obama took office, since the new rules of engagement do not allow our troops to defend themselves, but the media has completely ignored the body counts they used to publicize so assiduously.

And the war has completely lost its point.

Note that this excuse of an article is extremely vague about all this, and of course no mention that Obama is at fault, along with his Communist defense secretary.


23 posted on 09/08/2012 12:24:47 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: TigersEye

“Strangely the drumbeat stopped cold on January 20th 2009.”

The other major factor is the nation relying on a “professional” army instead of a citizen army. Vietnam was unpopular due to the draft which put people in harms way who did not want to go to battle for what they did not perceive as a threat against the homeland. If young people were being drafted into the service and killed everyday there would be a very strong and active anti-war/anti-military movement made up of young people and their parents.


24 posted on 09/08/2012 12:25:12 PM PDT by Soul of the South
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To: NCDragon

If we had a Republican Prezzy in the white House, the media would be slamming him non-stop about the casualties, the lack of a mission and the bogus rules-of-engagement.

25 posted on 09/08/2012 12:27:24 PM PDT by Old Sarge (We are now officially over the precipice, we just havent struck the ground yet)
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To: NCDragon
Taps for Shane W. Cantu!

Taps for the approximately 6,500 dead and 46,000 wounded who are causalities of the war we were told the government would handle as we continued to go to the mall.

Criminal!

Approximately 119,500 KIA and 328,600 wounded in the undeclared wars since WWII.

My heart aches for them all; each and every one.

And we the people are still just going to the mall!

"America, where are you now?"

26 posted on 09/08/2012 12:32:35 PM PDT by ImpBill ("America, where are you now?" - Little "r" republican!)
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To: Tallguy

Why are we maintaining small bases on the border with Pakistan when we could eliminate the Taliban one by one with the use of Drones?


27 posted on 09/08/2012 12:35:08 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: MinorityRepublican

Those small bases are acting as bait, IMO. You make them large enough that it would take a battalion-strength assault to take them out quickly. Then you swoop-in with the Apache’s and the A-10’s and kill the Taliban wholesale. Drone strikes are terribly inefficient on a cost-per-kill basis. Fine for high-value targets, assuming you can confirm the kill (which is problematic).

If you make the bases larger, and better able to defend themselves, then they are too big for the enemy to take-on. They disperse and go through the cracks because you also can’t cover the front because you’re bunched-up.

Right now both sides are getting what they want. The Taliban is attempting to pick-off these bases. The Army is killing Taliban in large numbers. We’ll see who switches their strategy first (that’s how you know who lost).


28 posted on 09/08/2012 12:53:30 PM PDT by Tallguy (It's all 'Fun and Games' until somebody loses an eye!)
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To: NCDragon

Yes but like so many banana republics it transfers the populaces’ attention from how bad the economy and everything else is due to this, magic negro.


29 posted on 09/08/2012 1:00:18 PM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) Hey Mitt, F-you too pal)
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To: Soul of the South

Whatever the deficits may be we don’t need to bring back the draft.


30 posted on 09/08/2012 1:10:06 PM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: NCDragon

Gee, you’d think the US would be numbed to the drumbeat of the mini-Vietnam happening every year in our inner cities. There are far more murders there every year than troop deaths in the entire 11 years of war in Afghanistan and Iraq. But nooooo, the media know who is to blame (democraps) for that one and don’t want to talk about it — except to blame inanimate objects.


31 posted on 09/08/2012 1:41:36 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: Tallguy
From my experience in Viet Nam as enlisted scum, I have come to believe that the Roman Solution works best. Be semi-nice the first time you fight them and then very nasty the second.

These people look at “be nice” as weakness but after the second solution you earn respect if not love.

32 posted on 09/08/2012 2:03:37 PM PDT by Little Bill
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To: NCDragon
By the time Bush left office the U.S. military campaign in Afghanistan had already lasted longer than the U.S. involvement in both World Wars (combined). The GOP losses in 2006 and 2008 can be directly attributed to this, and Mitt Romney can't even mention Afghanistan in his campaign because he knows damn well that there will still be a large U.S. military presence in Afghanistan in 2016 if he is elected.

F#%& all of these people ... and I don't say that kind of thing very often.

33 posted on 09/08/2012 2:48:23 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: Little Bill

IMO, the only things they respect and fear is overpowering strength.


34 posted on 09/08/2012 3:33:30 PM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: Tallguy
and kill the Taliban wholesale

You can't kill the Taliban wholesale unless you genocide the population - our best bet is to pull our at risk troops and use aerial strikes to target "Taliban/enemy" strong hold camps.

Also, this was Obama's campaign - the ignorant George Bush was ignoring a focus on the real war that was in progress - Afghanistan. Note that nobody is calling him on this how Obama has abysmally failed here. Obama is caught by his hatred of the US, his loathing of US military, and his love for Muslim theocracies.
35 posted on 09/09/2012 2:14:56 PM PDT by RushingWater (Let's have a brokered convention and page Sarah Palin - especially if Condi is the VP nominee)
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To: Alberta's Child

What’s the difference between an “enemy fighter” and an “innocent civilian”?-—He dropped his weapon.

The US government wants victory in Afghanistan, like your credit card company wants you to pay off your card balance.


36 posted on 09/10/2012 5:28:09 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: RushingWater
You can't kill the Taliban wholesale unless you genocide the population.

You can if you are talking about military formations. The trip-wire forces (Observation Posts) require the enemy to mass if they hope to overrun them. Killing masses of troops is "wholesale." It means getting your Arty & Airpower involved. Sniping at a tent with Helfire missiles is "surgical" and wasteful of resources.

Nobody is talking about extermination of populations here.

37 posted on 09/10/2012 6:11:12 PM PDT by Tallguy (It's all 'Fun and Games' until somebody loses an eye!)
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