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US Airways prevents military dog war hero from flying to DNC
Washington Times ^ | 09/08/12 | Dave Boyer

Posted on 09/08/2012 1:44:24 PM PDT by DFG

A bomb-sniffing military dog that has served two tours in Afghanistan was refused passage on a U.S. commercial flight to the Democratic National Convention last week by a pilot who was concerned the K-9 could be aggressive.

The 6-year-old German shepherd named Kevin was prevented from boarding a US Airways flight from Phoenix, Ariz., to Charlotte, N.C., on Sept. 1. The dog has flown on other commercial flights previously, usually sitting on the floor at the row of seats next to the bulkhead of the passenger cabin with his Navy handler.

On the evening of Sept. 1, the dog and handler were preparing to board the US Airways flight at Sky Harbor International Airport in Phoenix when the captain of the plane asked if the dog was trained to attack, according to a source with direct knowledge of the incident.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; dog; navy; usairways

1 posted on 09/08/2012 1:44:30 PM PDT by DFG
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To: DFG

Sounds like the handler was really vague.


2 posted on 09/08/2012 1:49:44 PM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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3 posted on 09/08/2012 1:49:55 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: DFG

It really isn’t fair to other human passengers to be trapped in an airplane cabin with a large dog. Some people fear dogs and many are uncomfortable around the more ferocious looking species.


4 posted on 09/08/2012 1:53:28 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: DFG

Sounds like a cool dog....he probably didn’t want to go and deal with that gaggle of freakish morons, anyway.


5 posted on 09/08/2012 1:55:33 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (OWS = The Great American Snivel War)
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To: Bryanw92

sounds like racial profiling to me . i am more concerned with the 300# women with her ass hanging in my space. i have stopped flying there is no place i need to be if it is on a airplane


6 posted on 09/08/2012 1:57:43 PM PDT by mt tom
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To: DFG
Where's the ASPCA on this? It's cruel and inhumane treatment forcing a poor dog to go to the DNC. Thank God they barred him from the plane.

Besides, with all the muzzie delegates and attendees at the convention, that dog would have been treated like dirt.

7 posted on 09/08/2012 1:58:30 PM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: mt tom

Its a dog. It would be species profiling.


8 posted on 09/08/2012 2:00:38 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: DFG

What a thorough-going dumbass. Nice to hear that he’s being nationally embarrassed. (Not that I wanted anything especially good to happen at the DNC.)


9 posted on 09/08/2012 2:15:49 PM PDT by ottbmare (The OTTB Mare)
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To: DFG

It’s a Navy dog, shouldn’t it be sniffing ships and ports of call?


10 posted on 09/08/2012 2:18:57 PM PDT by Pilated
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To: Joe 6-pack

Probably better trained and more well behaved than many oif the passengers.


11 posted on 09/08/2012 2:22:43 PM PDT by left that other site (Worry is the Darkroom that Develops Negatives.)
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To: DFG

I saw a drug sniffing dog freak out in an airport terminal when it saw a minature poodle sitting in the lap of a woman waiting to board a plane. It lunged at several people and the handler had a difficult time controlling the dog. She then yelled for everyone to get back. It took several minutes for two people to get the dog out of the gate area. I overheard the handler say it never did that before, but it makes you wonder.


12 posted on 09/08/2012 2:28:24 PM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: DFG
I saw a drug sniffing dog freak out in an airport terminal when it saw a miniature poodle sitting in the lap of a woman waiting to board a plane. It lunged at several people and the handler had a difficult time controlling the dog. She then yelled for everyone to get back. It took several minutes for two people to get the dog out of the gate area. I overheard the handler say it never did that before, but it makes you wonder.
13 posted on 09/08/2012 2:29:05 PM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: DFG

Let’s not be so tough on USAir. If the dog had gotten to the DNC, Obama would have probably eaten it.


14 posted on 09/08/2012 3:00:39 PM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: nuconvert

This may have saved the dogs life by keeping him away from the DNC. Obama has been known to eat dog.


15 posted on 09/08/2012 3:07:42 PM PDT by Patriot365
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To: Patriot365

The dog & handler were on a flight the next day


16 posted on 09/08/2012 3:12:13 PM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: DFG

This is the airline that allowed a PIG to fly.


17 posted on 09/08/2012 3:38:49 PM PDT by Cowgirl of Justice
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To: ottbmare

I can assure you, the captain is not embarrassed. He was perfectly within his authority. Any airline pilot would recognize this as a a possible threat, and he made a decision for HIS aircraft. He simply used his training, and exercised his judgment.


18 posted on 09/08/2012 3:44:19 PM PDT by Tzfat
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To: Tzfat

I understand that he was perfectly within his authority, but it was a silly decision. Such a dog is not a threat; on the contrary, it routinely saves lives and would be as much help as a federal air marshal if there were a real security problem on board.


19 posted on 09/08/2012 3:48:43 PM PDT by ottbmare (The OTTB Mare)
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To: ottbmare

How could he KNOW? As a captain, he is not trained to guess, or assume. Most airlines have procedures for assistance animals, but their carriage is subject to size etc. An animal this size is NORMALLY carried in cargo, NOT the cabin, so this captain made a prudent decision. Maybe not one that all captains would make, but CERTAINLY reasonable.


20 posted on 09/08/2012 4:14:30 PM PDT by Tzfat
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To: Bryanw92

Those dogs are trained and won’t attack except on command.


21 posted on 09/08/2012 4:28:36 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Kirkwood

“but it makes you wonder.” Wonder what the woman was carrying, besides a poodle?


22 posted on 09/08/2012 5:03:50 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: DFG

I'd rather have a German Shepherd seated next to me than most humans.

23 posted on 09/08/2012 5:50:17 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

But humans demand much less play time.


24 posted on 09/08/2012 5:54:52 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: freekitty

They are animals. You can’t be 100% certain of that. Is the dog trained to handle turbulent flight? Besides, I’m talking about people on the plane who are uncomfortable or just plain scared of dogs. It is a reasonable fear, especially for a person who has been attacked by a dog. To most people, dogs are cuddly pets. To some, they are ravenous wolves—especially breeds that retain a lot of their wolflike appearance.


25 posted on 09/08/2012 6:17:49 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Bryanw92

I could be wrong, but since the dog served two tours in Afghanistan I would doubt that he would be spooked by turbulent weather. These dogs are highly trained, even more than service dogs which travel in the cabin on a regular basis. Traveling in the cargo area is not always safe.

You have a good point about other passengers possibly being apprehensive. Perhaps the dog and handler could have boarded last and deplaned first. From what the article said they were going to the DNC for security purposes, not on a pleasure trip.

I guess because I watched a special about 9/11 prior to reading this article, it crossed my mind that if there had been a couple of military dogs on those flights, things might have turned out very differently.


26 posted on 09/08/2012 6:41:46 PM PDT by berdie
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To: Bryanw92

I know what you are saying.


27 posted on 09/08/2012 7:14:54 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: berdie

>>I could be wrong, but since the dog served two tours in Afghanistan I would doubt that he would be spooked by turbulent weather.

But you can’t be certain.

>>You have a good point about other passengers possibly being apprehensive. Perhaps the dog and handler could have boarded last and deplaned first. From what the article said they were going to the DNC for security purposes, not on a pleasure trip.

Oh great. Let’s say you have a fear of large dogs and you get on a plane. Just before they shut the door, they put a large attack dog in the passenger compartment just a few seats away from you. If you make a ruckus to get off, you get arrested. What do you do?

>>I guess because I watched a special about 9/11 prior to reading this article, it crossed my mind that if there had been a couple of military dogs on those flights, things might have turned out very differently.

Really?? You’re invoking the “anything goes, if you can make the claim that it could have prevented 9/11” clause? How many freedoms and inconveniences has that one cost us over the past decade?


28 posted on 09/08/2012 7:45:25 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Bryanw92
Is the dog trained to handle turbulent flight?


29 posted on 09/08/2012 7:54:17 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: cynwoody

OK, so you’re certifying that the dog in the article was jump-qualified?


30 posted on 09/08/2012 8:02:45 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

Or perhaps the dog was simply ignoring its training/obeying its hormones and desired to mount and/or mate with the other dog.


31 posted on 09/08/2012 8:20:23 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: freekitty

I think it’s better to say that a trained attack dog won’t attack unless commanded, one of their “triggers” is activated, or the dog feels provoked/threatened.


32 posted on 09/08/2012 8:25:09 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: cynwoody
No need for a photoshop when the real McCoy is available.


33 posted on 09/08/2012 8:30:24 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: Altariel

I thought this was a drug sniffing dog?


34 posted on 09/08/2012 9:22:50 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

35 posted on 09/08/2012 9:56:23 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: Bryanw92
“But you can't be certain.”

There is no such thing as certainty in life.

Let's say they put an air marshall carrying a gun next to you. A lot of people are terrified of guns. They can be in a drawer, unloaded and they still freak out. So anyone sitting next to you MIGHT have a gun. And he might be a kook, who knows. What do you do? I guess because the gun is hidden it is o.k.

The article stated the dog had flown before...and flew the next day. He sat at the front of the plane, as he had in the past, away from other passengers. Would you take the same offense at a service dog flying in the compartment? They generally sit away from other passengers as well.

I am not invoking the anything goes clause at all. I think we agree that we have been deprived of many liberties due to 9/11. I merely stated that a military dog, unleashed, might have been useful and would have been fearless against the people that perpetrated these crimes. Not that the typical citizen wouldn't have been had they armed.

I understand if you don't like big dogs. My own father feels like he has entered purgatory when he comes to my house. Even though he is protected. But just say that.

On a lighter note..I would prefer to sit next to an attack dog than a screaming baby on an airline flight.

36 posted on 09/08/2012 10:10:47 PM PDT by berdie
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To: DFG

I’m quite surprised that this wasn’t cleared ahead of time.


37 posted on 09/12/2012 12:13:06 PM PDT by brytlea (An ounce of chocolate is worth a pound of cure)
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To: Bryanw92; freekitty

I used to have the police bring in their drug sniffing dogs to show the kids in our class (I taught health) and do a demonstration. They were GOOD but they weren’t perfect. They are dogs after all. Much better trained than the average dog.
I have shown in obedience, and even the best of those dogs mess up sometimes because something else seems like a better thing to do. Now, I suspect this dog would have been perfectly fine, but I’m really surprised that this wasn’t cleared with the airline ahead of time and the pilot informed.
When I ship a dog, which I do on occasion, I have to make arrangements. I would assume you do the same when you take one in the cabin.


38 posted on 09/12/2012 12:19:33 PM PDT by brytlea (An ounce of chocolate is worth a pound of cure)
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To: freekitty

Yes, but the handler couldn’t (or wouldn’t) tell the pilot the dog wouldn’t attack. I think that was probably where the problem was.


39 posted on 09/12/2012 12:22:34 PM PDT by brytlea (An ounce of chocolate is worth a pound of cure)
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To: berdie

I believe the pilot was just being overly cautious about this type of dog riding in the cabin(i.e. trained to attack if necessary). Which I do not have a problem with, since he is responsible for the passengers safety. However, even service dogs can be a problem, if the circumstances are right. I do not think this is a US Airways problem, just this pilot being overly careful.

I say that because, I just flew back from Phoenix to Ohio, and there were 2 service dogs on the flight. The staff went out of their way to take care of the dogs, before the flight. Taking them for a walk and taking them to the bathroom. In the terminal, you would have thought the dogs were famous, as everyone, including, US Airways staff, and many people on the flight, wanted to pet them. The people were pretty easy going and even though they should not have done it, they allowed them to do so. The dogs seemed to have a calming affect on those waiting to get on the flight, instead of making them nervous.

During the whole flight, which was turbulent, no one even heard one peep from the dogs. That is more than I can say about some people that fly and cannot handle flying in general, or turbulent weather.

If I had the choice I would pick the dogs over people.


40 posted on 09/12/2012 1:16:30 PM PDT by Ez2BRepub
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To: brytlea

Maybe.


41 posted on 09/12/2012 2:39:12 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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