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FBI begins installation of $1 billion face recognition system across America
RT ^ | 8 September, 2012 | RT

Posted on 09/08/2012 1:51:25 PM PDT by PapaBear3625

Birthmarks, be damned: the FBI has officially started rolling out a state-of-the-art face recognition project that will assist in their effort to accumulate and archive information about each and every American at a cost of a billion dollars.

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New Scientist reports that a 2010 study found technology used by NGI to be accurate in picking out suspects from a pool of 1.6 million mug shots 92 percent of the time. The system was tested on a trial basis in the state of Michigan earlier this year, and has already been cleared for pilot runs in Washington, Florida and North Carolina. Now according to this week’s New Scientist report, the full rollout of the program has begun and the FBI expects its intelligence infrastructure to be in place across the United States by 2014.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2012; facerecognition; fbi; govtabuse; policestate; tyranny; waronliberty
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Currently, it's just mugshots. The first application will be police booking, where they will check if the suspect's face matches up with any outstanding warrants or crime-scene photos.

Within a few years, they will probably add all DMV photos and facebook photos (disk space is cheap and getting cheaper)

Within a few more years, the feds will be able to flag people, and if they appear near any federally-monitored surveillance camera, it will trip an alert.

1 posted on 09/08/2012 1:51:29 PM PDT by PapaBear3625
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To: SunkenCiv; Ernest_at_the_Beach

ping


2 posted on 09/08/2012 1:52:32 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Charlie Daniels - Payback Time http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWwTJj_nosI)
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To: PapaBear3625

The Surveillance Society becomes reality.

Sadly, no one will stop it.


3 posted on 09/08/2012 1:54:53 PM PDT by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: PapaBear3625

The Police State grows.


4 posted on 09/08/2012 1:56:14 PM PDT by Iron Munro ("In any compromise between good and evil, it is only evil that can profit." - Ayn Rand)
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To: PapaBear3625

Wait ‘till we get the numbers on its precision-recall performance for faces of different ethnicities.

Forget it.


5 posted on 09/08/2012 1:56:23 PM PDT by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: PapaBear3625
Oh man, we posted the same article ONE SECOND apart - LOL! My take from the article is that it will be tying in right away to all those databases and more. I'm thinking about shopping for face-scarves now, so I'll have quite a collection by 2014. This is just so creepy!
6 posted on 09/08/2012 1:56:30 PM PDT by Kay Ludlow (Government actions ALWAYS have unintended consequences...)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

>>Sadly, no one will stop it.

Nope. Its for your own good, peasant. </sarc>


7 posted on 09/08/2012 1:56:41 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: PapaBear3625

I forgot to add: Hat tip to Drudgereport.com.


8 posted on 09/08/2012 1:57:16 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Charlie Daniels - Payback Time http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWwTJj_nosI)
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To: Kay Ludlow

I’m thinking about shopping for face-scarves now, so I’ll have quite a collection by 2014. This is just so creepy!
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Most likely, wearing face scarves, or any kind kind of face covering, will be made illegal.

Well, I guess you can always dress in a niqab and try to pass yourself off as a Muslim lady, but you might wanna brush up on your Arabic in that event. :)


9 posted on 09/08/2012 1:58:54 PM PDT by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: PapaBear3625

I think I need to buy an Obamugabe mask today.


10 posted on 09/08/2012 1:59:12 PM PDT by Not now, Not ever! (Girlfriend suggested I use pelosi in place of swear words, A good idea, I think)
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To: Bryanw92

11 posted on 09/08/2012 2:01:08 PM PDT by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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Although there is little defense against the logic of “if your not guilty of something, you have nothing to fear” reasoning for instituting such a system, it is proven throughout history that humans given such absolute power will always eventually use it for absolute evil.


12 posted on 09/08/2012 2:01:30 PM PDT by USCG SimTech (Honored to serve since '71)
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To: PapaBear3625

I wonder what they would do if some people got together and sey up the same kind of survelence outside of their offices.


13 posted on 09/08/2012 2:02:30 PM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin (Ignorance is bliss- I'm stoked)
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To: PapaBear3625

14 posted on 09/08/2012 2:04:43 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: PapaBear3625

Bet they don’t get used at voting precincts.


15 posted on 09/08/2012 2:05:54 PM PDT by wolfman23601
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To: PapaBear3625
Crap! I agree with Al Franken. What is this world coming to? ;-)
“Facial recognition creates acute privacy concerns that fingerprints do not,” US Senator Al Franken (D-Minnesota) told the Senate Judiciary Committee’s subcommittee on privacy, technology and the law earlier this year. “Once someone has your faceprint, they can get your name, they can find your social networking account and they can find and track you in the street, in the stores you visit, the government buildings you enter, and the photos your friends post online.”

16 posted on 09/08/2012 2:06:21 PM PDT by Tunehead54 (Nothing funny here ;-)
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To: Kay Ludlow

I’ll be wearing this, everywhere I go!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groucho_glasses


17 posted on 09/08/2012 2:06:58 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: PapaBear3625

Which means, no more personal privacy. They’ll know where you are, where you have been and put one and one together.


18 posted on 09/08/2012 2:07:36 PM PDT by 353FMG (The US Constitution is only as good as those who enforce it.)
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin
"I wonder what they would do if some people got together and set up the same kind of survelence outside inside of their offices."

They're public employees working in public buildings after all. If they're not doing anything wrong, they should have nothing to worry about.

19 posted on 09/08/2012 2:08:09 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

Orwellian indeed. How long before Orwell’s “telescreens” are a reality - that the federal Gestapo will have a video camera in our homes to monitor us 24/7? When will the slaves finally revolt?


20 posted on 09/08/2012 2:09:14 PM PDT by Astronaut
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To: PapaBear3625

We are all Winston now.


21 posted on 09/08/2012 2:09:22 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: 353FMG
"Which means, no more personal privacy."

The only right you have to privacy is when you want to kill your unborn child. I saw that in a penumbra somewhere.

22 posted on 09/08/2012 2:09:35 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: PapaBear3625

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=revelation%2013:16-18&version=KJV

Revelation 13:16-18

King James Version (KJV)

16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.


23 posted on 09/08/2012 2:13:20 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad
"Most likely, wearing face scarves, or any kind kind of face covering, will be made illegal."

Time for woad to come back into fashion...


24 posted on 09/08/2012 2:13:45 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: PapaBear3625

Ya see all those cameras being installed all over America? Eventually, every person walking within the field of view, will have their entire history revealed simultaneously, with a simple click on a subject.


25 posted on 09/08/2012 2:14:24 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad
Hmmm. Rosetta Stone for Arabic, maybe I'll look into that too.

You know those cameras at intersections, that point at each lane to tell the traffic light when to turn? When they were first installed in a nearby town I was listening to their local radio program, and some people had called in asking about the cameras, so they had a guest on from some organization involved with installing them.

He, of course, explained that they were NOT surveillance cameras, they just were tied into software that tells the computer for the traffic light which lanes had vehicles in them. He was asked about the system already in place to let the lights work together, with data connection to a central point, and he said that this new system is of course tied into that. The host asks ‘so these cameras, pointed into our front windshields, are sending pictures of us to another central system electronically, but that isn't really surveillance?’. The guy said’ well, it's software, it isn't like anyone is watching it or anything’. Host then asks ‘but couldn't it be tied into something like that, or to a DVR or something, to see everyone going through those intersections?’.

The answer? Well, I'm sure you could, but we wouldn't have any reason to do that.

Now, the FBI is giving them the reason to want to do that - tie everyone’s traffic light camera's into the big system to share data, and you can see everything everywhere. The computer software will be able to track where you go. At first, I'm sure it will only be used that way for people who a ‘flagged’ as a risk of some kind, but before too long the definition of risk will expand to include everyone.

The government needs to know where all their sheep are you know, if they want to be able to manage the herd...

26 posted on 09/08/2012 2:14:24 PM PDT by Kay Ludlow (Government actions ALWAYS have unintended consequences...)
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To: Travis McGee
We also have iris recognition systems that can identify you from up to 12 meters away from the scanner, if they have a high-resolution pic of your eyes. And your next driver's license photo will probably be high-resolution enough for this purpose.
27 posted on 09/08/2012 2:18:05 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Charlie Daniels - Payback Time http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWwTJj_nosI)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra
Groucho glasses! I like it! Someone will have to look into whether those would cover enough to spoof the software. I'd love to see a Tea Party event with thousands of groucho glasses wearers in the DC Metro system ;-)
28 posted on 09/08/2012 2:18:44 PM PDT by Kay Ludlow (Government actions ALWAYS have unintended consequences...)
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To: Joe 6-pack

Inside and outside.


29 posted on 09/08/2012 2:19:57 PM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin (Ignorance is bliss- I'm stoked)
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To: Astronaut

Arguably, I’m fairly certain the technology exists currently to make the “telescreen” quite real. It’s not that hard to do. The problem is in monitoring; let’s say every household has such a device. You’d need a computer program to monitor everyone; it would be too overwhelming for the relative handful of human eyes watching the feedback.

As to when the slaves will finally revolt, I’d say never. Remember another great quote from Orwell. “If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face — forever.”

As you may recall, there was no happy ending in “1984”. Only Winston, drinking cheap Victory, filled with love for Big Brother, waiting for the bullet to the back of the neck.

“We control life, Winston, at all its levels. You are imagining that there is something called human nature which will be outraged by what we do and will turn against us. But we create human nature. Men are infinitely malleable.”


30 posted on 09/08/2012 2:20:18 PM PDT by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: Kay Ludlow

Sooner or later, the definition of “risk” is inevitably expanded to include everyone. It is the nature of power, and power invariably seeks to secure itself, no matter the cost.


31 posted on 09/08/2012 2:22:22 PM PDT by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: Kay Ludlow
Now, the FBI is giving them the reason to want to do that - tie everyone’s traffic light camera's into the big system to share data, and you can see everything everywhere. The computer software will be able to track where you go. At first, I'm sure it will only be used that way for people who a ‘flagged’ as a risk of some kind, but before too long the definition of risk will expand to include everyone.

With the decreasing cost of disk storage, it will be feasible to store these images long term. So if you EVER become "of interest", they will be able to go back through the archives looking for you. The routes you commonly take to go to/from work, places you go, stores you visit. Expect video recordings to be made of who goes to gun shows, FReeper events, etc.

32 posted on 09/08/2012 2:23:46 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Charlie Daniels - Payback Time http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWwTJj_nosI)
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To: PapaBear3625
We also have iris recognition systems that can identify you from up to 12 meters away from the scanner, if they have a high-resolution pic of your eyes. And your next driver's license photo will probably be high-resolution enough for this purpose.

So much for that form of biometric ID. Time to get some mirrored contact lenses.

33 posted on 09/08/2012 2:24:53 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party Switcheroo: Economic crisis! Zero's eligibility Trumped!! Hillary 2012!!!)
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To: PapaBear3625

I hate the future.


34 posted on 09/08/2012 2:25:16 PM PDT by montag813
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To: PapaBear3625
Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn’t pass it on to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free.
-Ronald Reagan

Sorry, Ron...it's already too late.

35 posted on 09/08/2012 2:27:35 PM PDT by montag813
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To: FARS

ping


36 posted on 09/08/2012 2:28:16 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Charlie Daniels - Payback Time http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWwTJj_nosI)
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To: PapaBear3625
Well, Iris Recognition puts a crimp in the Groucho glasses idea; I'm back to the face scarf or niqab...

I'm so outraged by this, it's almost as bad as when Obamacare passed, and when Roberts sold us out on it. This system, though, should be relatively easy to foil if its based on using live video surveillance cameras. Maybe an update on the Tin-Man makeup (not lead, or anything to cause death), something really shiny to interfere with imaging?

37 posted on 09/08/2012 2:28:49 PM PDT by Kay Ludlow (Government actions ALWAYS have unintended consequences...)
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To: PapaBear3625

The only way to prevent government from violating our rights is to prevent government from having the means to do so.

The present trajectory will be that equipment will be installed just for the purpose of finding a few dangerous people. Later, that equipment will be upgraded to collect images on everyone, but only with strict legal protections. Then a court will rule that if government has the data, then a any competent court can order government to make the image data available upon court order. Then a sentence or two will be changed in the “strong law” that was going to “protect” us against “violations of our privacy” to give the image data the same access as law enforcement already enjoys for cell phone location tracking. And welcome Big Brother!


38 posted on 09/08/2012 2:34:19 PM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: Kay Ludlow

Or someone in disguise could rip down the poles holding these cameras.....


39 posted on 09/08/2012 2:39:08 PM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (If people don't have to show an ID to vote, why do they have to show one to purchase a firearm?.)
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To: PapaBear3625

Not a concern for Democrats - they’ve routinely got their heads up their . . . well, you know.


40 posted on 09/08/2012 2:44:19 PM PDT by Stosh
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To: PapaBear3625

41 posted on 09/08/2012 2:46:35 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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To: PapaBear3625

And if by chance you have the same recognition points as say Charlie Manson, or some criminal on the run???
What could go wrong?
Yesterday a N.Y. Cop shot and killed a kid running out of his folks store that was being robbed,
Anyone that has any confidence in our vaunted fbi is a fool.


42 posted on 09/08/2012 2:53:38 PM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) Hey Mitt, F-you too pal)
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To: PapaBear3625

43 posted on 09/08/2012 2:54:30 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: Travis McGee

Travis McGee,
I know a few law enforcement officers.
None are Mensa members.


44 posted on 09/08/2012 2:55:26 PM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) Hey Mitt, F-you too pal)
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To: PapaBear3625
Within a few years, they will probably add all DMV photos and facebook photos

It won't take a few years for Facebook, as there are already apps for that. They've almost certainly already done it, but didn't tell anyone.

FaceDeals

45 posted on 09/08/2012 3:01:59 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: PapaBear3625

Don’t most of these systems require a good look at eyes?


46 posted on 09/08/2012 3:04:39 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: PapaBear3625

Let’s start with the polling places and watch the Dims heads explode!


47 posted on 09/08/2012 3:04:50 PM PDT by Thom Pain (U.S. Constitution is a CONTRACT!)
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To: july4thfreedomfoundation
Or someone in disguise could rip down the poles holding these cameras.....

Oh yeh, I like that idea too! It'll cost us in taxes when they keep putting them up, but that would just give us more opportunities to make those statement. Where can we come up with the kind of people who could or would do such a thing? Wait, it's coming to me, Penn State Student Rioters! They have the experience, and need something to do! If we could only channel their energy into an anti-police-state-mission rather than their usual anarchist anger, we'd have it made and solve two problems at once. Humor, a tool for dealing with strong emotions in ones' self...

48 posted on 09/08/2012 3:11:05 PM PDT by Kay Ludlow (Government actions ALWAYS have unintended consequences...)
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To: Kay Ludlow

“Someone will have to look into whether those would cover enough to spoof the software.”

I’m sure they would! “If the nose don’t fit. you must acquit!”


49 posted on 09/08/2012 3:13:54 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: Astronaut

The telescreens supposedly are here in the modern TV - big brother IS watching you.


50 posted on 09/08/2012 3:18:02 PM PDT by Domestic Church (AMDG ... there is no such thing as coincidence)
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