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Social Security combats bullet rumors(Just for target practice)
cnn ^ | 9/8/12

Posted on 09/08/2012 5:54:21 PM PDT by hope

CNN) -- Praise the Internet and pass the ammunition: the blogosphere is roiling with conspiracy theories over a Social Security Administration shopping list for 174,000 hollow-point bullets.

Depending on whom you believe, police who protect Social Security Administration officers are either preparing for impending financial doom by purchasing lethal ammo to put down rioting citizens, or they're just making a standard purchase of ammunition for a federal police agency.

It all began last month when the agency, which is primarily responsible for distributing benefits to the disabled and retired people, posted an announcement seeking bids for 174,000 hollow-point bullets.

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1 posted on 09/08/2012 5:54:26 PM PDT by hope
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To: hope

Hollow points for target practice?

If it’s not your money, why not?


2 posted on 09/08/2012 5:56:59 PM PDT by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: hope

Related post:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2926807/posts


3 posted on 09/08/2012 5:56:59 PM PDT by EBH (Courage, Trust, Sacred Honor, Truth, Freedom)
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To: hope

Hollow points for target practice? Let me guess: the targets are on two legs.


4 posted on 09/08/2012 5:57:33 PM PDT by mkmensinger
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To: hope

I liked the comment at the end...if you’re going to buy bullets for target practice wouldn’t it be wise to get cheaper bullets...aren’t hollow points more expensive?


5 posted on 09/08/2012 5:58:17 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: hope

Maybe they want to practice shooting the wheels off of “Granny’s” wheelchair.


6 posted on 09/08/2012 5:58:44 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (The DNC convention is proof that Americans still love a good freak show.)
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To: hope

It’s OUR money, so why not use the most expensive HP ammo, instead of ball ammo? Only the best for the JBTs.


7 posted on 09/08/2012 6:00:42 PM PDT by carriage_hill (Liberals, democrats & unions - the leftist scum - are like bacteria: attack, attack, attack!)
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To: hope

You don’t waste hollow points on target practice.


8 posted on 09/08/2012 6:00:47 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: hope
RIiightttt ...hollow-point "cop killer" type amo for "target practice." The Empty Chair and his evil minions must think we are all stupid.

There is one reason for hollow-point amo:

"All the better to kill you with my dear."

9 posted on 09/08/2012 6:01:42 PM PDT by Jmouse007 (Lord deliver us from evil, in Jesus name, amen.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Correct so the real question is: WHO are the real intended “targets” for all of this “cop killer” hollow-point ammo? Looks like the American people to me.


10 posted on 09/08/2012 6:08:10 PM PDT by Jmouse007 (Lord deliver us from evil, in Jesus name, amen.)
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To: Steely Tom

Hollow points for target practice?

If it’s not your money, why not?


It is our money...


11 posted on 09/08/2012 6:09:47 PM PDT by EBH (Courage, Trust, Sacred Honor, Truth, Freedom)
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To: Jmouse007
There is one reason for hollow-point amo:

There is. All those weapons the CIA is selling to the Sinaloa Cartel and Syria, and Afghanistan need ammo.

12 posted on 09/08/2012 6:09:55 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 ( If you think I'm crazy, just wait until you talk to my invisible friend.)
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To: hope

Well at least they weren’t Hydra-shocks (hollow points with a post and sectioned)


13 posted on 09/08/2012 6:13:23 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("OF COURSE I TALK TO MYSELF - Sometimes I need an expert opinion")
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To: hope

I suggest we ask for our refunds next year in equitable rounds for our own “practicing”...

If you get a refund of course...


14 posted on 09/08/2012 6:14:01 PM PDT by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: SkyDancer

Looking at the Hydro-shok’s I have loaded...hehehe

To the IRS I say:

“neener neener neeeeeeneerrrrr...”


15 posted on 09/08/2012 6:16:29 PM PDT by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: Secret Agent Man
You don’t waste hollow points on target practice.

You do if you are stupid flush with cash. I once went through 50 rounds of Black Talon(s) at the range for my primary carry. Practice with what you shoot was the theory.

I also had an AR-50 back in those days and could afford the $5 per trigger pull.

Today, in this economy, ball ammo is good enough for paper targets. I could eat for a month on what I put downrange when I was young(er) and (more)foolish.

/johnny

16 posted on 09/08/2012 6:19:48 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: hope
standard issue law enforcement rounds are "Full Metal Jacket".
So what's with the hallow points?
17 posted on 09/08/2012 6:26:07 PM PDT by Falcon4.0
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To: hope

But that’s only enough to reject 174,000 cases. ;-)


18 posted on 09/08/2012 6:26:14 PM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-' 96)
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To: hope

Let’s just suppose for a moment that they really do expect a nationwide conflagration with blood running in the streets, food riots, and mass mayhem. Do you really think for a second that they’d actually admit it?


19 posted on 09/08/2012 6:28:58 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: hope
What is the past history of ammo usage for this agency? When was the last time they ordered this much ammo? Let them show the paper work to put people's minds at ease that this ammo order is routine. Have they ever ordered ammo in large quantities before? Inquiring minds want to know.
20 posted on 09/08/2012 6:39:35 PM PDT by rgboomers (This space purposely left blank)
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To: hope

Complete crap. What idiot would buy JHP for target practice? That’s retarded.


21 posted on 09/08/2012 6:40:29 PM PDT by dinodino
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To: hope

Meanwhile....the US Marine Corp had it’s ammo allocation chopped by almost 50%......hmmmmmmmmm?


22 posted on 09/08/2012 6:40:52 PM PDT by Puckster
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To: rgboomers

Civilian Army... is this the Soviet Union?


23 posted on 09/08/2012 6:42:44 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: GeronL
We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set. We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded. - Barack Obama

coincidence?
24 posted on 09/08/2012 6:47:10 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: hope
I dunno, based on some of the posts I've seen around here, I think there are a few Freepers could go through this many rounds in a long weekend at the range.
25 posted on 09/08/2012 6:47:41 PM PDT by LaserJock
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To: hope

Hollow points are for flesh, not paper, liars.

We aren’t idiots like your constituents.


26 posted on 09/08/2012 6:51:01 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: stevie_d_64

When home I carry my Beretta Tomcat in .32 alternately loaded with Hydro-shocks and Glaser Safeties, extra mag.


27 posted on 09/08/2012 6:52:31 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("OF COURSE I TALK TO MYSELF - Sometimes I need an expert opinion")
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To: stevie_d_64
Looking at the Hydro-shok’s I have loaded...hehehe

I just cleared my big shed and will be starting making rounds inside it soon.
I was thinking about the Dillon 550B. Any thoughts on this press?
28 posted on 09/08/2012 6:53:26 PM PDT by RandallFlagg (Obama hates Mexicans (Fast and Furious))
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To: All

I practice with the inexpensive stuff: Wolf, S&B and the like and keep a pre-ban mag loaded with 15 Hydra-Shoks in my M-9

I will on occasion fire 30 Hydra-Shoks at the pistol range just to get a feel for them, but don’t really notice much difference between them, Cor-Bons, and the inexpensive ammo mentioned above, other than price.

A good practice is to shoot what your local PD shoots, so some liberal DA can’t accuse you of using “cop killer” bullets or similar in a self-defense situation.

If I’m out getting lunch and run into a local LEO, I’ll strike up a conversation about how he likes his sidearm and what type of ammo and guns our taxes are buying for our LEO’s in a friendly way and they are usually happy to converse as long as you don’t come off as being a psycho creepy type of person.

It helps if you are former or currently in the military, but not a requirement.

Just “take their temperature” and feel them out in a friendly way and most will be happy to talk guns and ammo and the pros and cons of stopping power of different calibers. You can even ask them what type of ammo they prefer and if it’s what their dept. issues them.

I mentioned before, I prefer the 9mm in case I wake up to some bad guys in the house and find that my dominant arm is “asleep” due to myself sleeping on my side, or a lady friend sleeping on my arm and I may need to fire my pistol with my non-dominant left hand, which I do practice when I go to the range and it’s something I can’t do with a .45

I tried shooting a .45 with my left hand and almost needed extensive dental work due to the recoil, even though I knew it would be strong.

Accuracy > Stopping Power.
Not to mention, faster target re-acquisition after firing.

Plus that loud bang from that first shot will leave your hearing temporarily compromised and in a dark house, you will need all of your senses to be working, and a .45 makes a bigger “boom” than a 9mm

The muzzle flash might even give you a little case of night-blindness as well.

Having the Mossy 500 nearby is also helpful.

Bigger is not always better - I fired my friends DE .50 and found it to be nearly useless for any purpose as it is a very difficult firearm to master and very expensive for ammunition and for the firearm itself.

Most people I know that have bought the DE in .50 caliber have sold them within the first year of ownership or traded them in.

In a self-defense scenario, your shooting hand may become incapacitated due to a knife or bullet or baseball bat strike, so it’s good to have a firearm you can fire with some accuracy with your “other” hand.

When I go to the pistol range, I do about 10% of my practice with my left hand, “just in case” the need may arise in a real life or death situation.


29 posted on 09/08/2012 6:57:13 PM PDT by Rodney Dangerfield (Michelle Fields, will you marry me?)
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To: hope

Just want to make sure their “targets” are daid.


30 posted on 09/08/2012 6:59:04 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: Rodney Dangerfield

The National Guard will need a lot of ammunition after Obama loses in November as their will be rioting in “Urban Inner Cities”


31 posted on 09/08/2012 6:59:53 PM PDT by Rodney Dangerfield (Michelle Fields, will you marry me?)
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To: SpaceBar

not at all


32 posted on 09/08/2012 7:02:18 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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600 rounds per agent. Enough to fill 20 clips, 30 Rnd capacity, for each of their MP7s. Sounds like enough to quell a rioting herd of grandparents.


33 posted on 09/08/2012 7:25:25 PM PDT by Glock17 (Aim Center Mass)
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To: Jmouse007

Ouch! Cop killer is an invention of the left. There is no such animal as a cop killer bullet. Hollow points, yes. As a shooter I hate seeing that lingo. :) And... you are supposed to practice with what you are going to carry. Since its my money, I only use FMJ in practice and save the hydroshocks for carry.


34 posted on 09/08/2012 7:35:26 PM PDT by USAFJeeper (Who Dat Nation - Loving the Manning Face!)
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To: SpaceBar

That jackass is looking Forward to something quite nefarious.


35 posted on 09/08/2012 7:38:15 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: Falcon4.0

Actually... Most carry some form of hollow point. Got a cousin in-law who carrys Federal hydroshock, think my buddy who is a cop in Louisiana (sniper team) also uses Federal hydroshocks.


36 posted on 09/08/2012 7:38:27 PM PDT by USAFJeeper (Who Dat Nation - Loving the Manning Face!)
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To: hope

If my life was on the line I would practice with what I intend to use. I can draw a line when I load up some expensive Barnes bullets though, or Bergers.


37 posted on 09/08/2012 7:43:01 PM PDT by Eye of Unk (OPSEC)
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To: hope

Our military fights our foreign enemies.
Bureaucrats fight our domestic enemies aka American citizens.


38 posted on 09/08/2012 8:06:59 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: USAFJeeper

Was gonna say...going all the way back to the wheelgun days (which I am old enough to remember, it wasn’t that long ago), I NEVER saw a cop carrying FMJ rounds. Some variety of hollow points, every one.


39 posted on 09/08/2012 8:19:04 PM PDT by M1903A1 ("We shed all that is good and virtuous for that which is shoddy and sleazy... and call it progress")
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To: USAFJeeper
I'm clearly not one who supports this administration in Washington, but most of these comments are suggesting that Law Enforcement uses ball ammo or should practice with target rounds.

Neither is true. Law Enforcement uses full power “duty ammo” not just for carry, but for practice. In that way, it can be said that they are familiar with the functioning of full power ammo. By practicing with the ammo, it also allows them to know if there is a functioning issue. If a cop were to say that the only time he ever fired his duty ammo was in the field, attorneys would have a field day.

Do they carry ball ammo? . . . . Absolutely not. With almost no exceptions, LE officers carry hollow-point ammunition in their duty weapons.

Much of this discussion is trying to make something out of the fact that 170,000 rounds of ammo is excessive. In my agency, we would go through well over 3000 rounds just for training & qualification. 170,000 rounds would not have been enough ammo for just my agency (med-sized Sheriff's Office on the west coast)to last a year!

I can't explain why the Social Security Administration is buying 170,000 rounds of JHP ammo, or if they have a law enforcement unit, but some of the folks responding in this post are looking pretty uninformed.

40 posted on 09/08/2012 9:03:02 PM PDT by rjamesca
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To: USAFJeeper
I'm clearly not one who supports this administration in Washington, but most of these comments are suggesting that Law Enforcement uses ball ammo or should practice with target rounds.

Neither is true. Law Enforcement uses full power “duty ammo” not just for carry, but for practice. In that way, it can be said that they are familiar with the functioning of full power ammo. By practicing with the ammo, it also allows them to know if there is a functioning issue. If a cop were to say that the only time he ever fired his duty ammo was in the field, attorneys would have a field day.

Do they carry ball ammo? . . . . Absolutely not. With almost no exceptions, LE officers carry hollow-point ammunition in their duty weapons.

Much of this discussion is trying to make something out of the fact that 170,000 rounds of ammo is excessive. In my agency, we would go through well over 3000 rounds just for training & qualification. 170,000 rounds would not have been enough ammo for just my agency (med-sized Sheriff's Office on the west coast)to last a year!

I can't explain why the Social Security Administration is buying 170,000 rounds of JHP ammo, or if they have a law enforcement unit, but some of the folks responding in this post are looking pretty uninformed.

41 posted on 09/08/2012 9:03:13 PM PDT by rjamesca
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To: JRandomFreeper

I get the concept. But you can still do practice with a round of equal or near equal power and a lead bullet than with an expensive copper bullet.

Shooters feel the difference with different power loads. You can get lead loads equal or near equal to what they’d actually be carrying.

Bigger question is why is Social Security carrying freaking guns and needing that much practice in the first place? They are not police officers.


42 posted on 09/08/2012 9:07:24 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: rjamesca

SOCIAL SECURITY IS NOT LAW ENFORCEMENT.

That’s why it’s drawing discussion.

On top of the 750 million rounds of hollow points the fedgov just ordered. It ain’t for military so it means it’s intended to be aimed at civilians.


43 posted on 09/08/2012 9:09:16 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: hope

No normal/typical pistol range allows Hollow Points for practice, only FMJ rounds allowed. HP is too dangerous, frangible rounds can cause injury in ricochet.

Therefore, have to call BS on this bs.


44 posted on 09/08/2012 9:11:03 PM PDT by FlyingEagle
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To: RandallFlagg

Isn’t it hard to buy the lead for bullets...I use to watch my dad make his own when he was a cop...after he retired, he used the mold to make sinkers for fishing...back in the late 40’s


45 posted on 09/08/2012 9:19:31 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: goat granny
Isn’t it hard to buy the lead for bullets..

I wouldn't think that there are that many folks out there who would want to go through the hassle of making the lead when they're so cheap to buy these days.
But if Obama pulls a, "Reichtag Fire," to prevent his removal of office....

That being said, I'm guessing one could take a walk down a highway and collect enough wheel balancing weights to get the job done.
My Uncle Ray used to do that to make his fishing weights.
(Those were the days. Fishin' with Uncle Ray.)
46 posted on 09/08/2012 9:36:03 PM PDT by RandallFlagg (Obama hates Mexicans (Fast and Furious))
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Believe ‘em or else. Thanks hope.


47 posted on 09/08/2012 10:23:49 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: RandallFlagg
When dad was a cop, he always made his own bullets...Don't know if they had to, (because the police department ) didn't supply them back then or he just liked to know the bullets he had in his gun...(it was old by todays standards) but a large 6 shot revolver.
The last home I bought there was some adjustments I wanted to builder to make and he saw a pile of lead pigs on my floor and said he'd do the adjustments for nothing in return for a couple of the lead pigs (I think that is what they were called. each weighted at about 4-5 pounds...I used them to counter balance an antique corner cabinet I had to keep it from tipping over...the lead was put on the bottom of cabinet, in the back corner. It had a large rounded glass door, heavier than anything you'd find today. My dad used hook and eyes to keep it upright. Attach it to wall. been the family about 100 years back then..

I just though it must be hard to buy...those suckers seemed heavy when you picked one up...my daughter now has the cabinet and the lead...it reminded me of the gold bullion you see and almost as big.....just curious I am... I was looking for something my son wanted today in the garage and I found his old ladle he used...Things are easier to find if one has a neat basement and garage, Idon't....I knew I had the bolt cutters, but think I probably threw them out one time when I got mad them for not doing the job..Like me they were old and not quite as sharp as they should have been...

48 posted on 09/08/2012 10:38:56 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: hope
"....174,000 hollow-point bullets."

What does one do with bullets without accompanying shellcases, primers and propellant powder, all assembled into a nice little package known as a cartridge?

Bullets are to cartridges as flour is to bread, as cement is to concrete, etc. When will they ever learn?

49 posted on 09/08/2012 10:49:40 PM PDT by Buffalo Head (Illigitimi non carborundum)
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To: M1903A1

You’re not alone in being old enough to remember haha!


50 posted on 09/08/2012 11:29:38 PM PDT by USAFJeeper (Who Dat Nation - Loving the Manning Face!)
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