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America 2016 (You absolutely have to watch the video)
Townhall.com ^ | September 9, 2012 | Jeff Carter

Posted on 09/09/2012 7:54:14 AM PDT by Kaslin

Politicians love to tell stories. They put little heartwarming stories in their speeches. Today, everyone will try to define Obama’s speech. I saw the speech and there was nothing new in it. He tried to fire up his base. We will see if he did it.

Last night, I saw a movie that you should see too. Dinesh D’Souza made a movie and wrote a book, “Obama’s America”. It’s a very pragmatic look at Obama’s upbringing. There isn’t any birther stuff, but there are some autobiographical facts presented about Obama’s mentors, and his world view. Plus it overlays his record as President to back it up.

The basic theme is that Obama is not a Marxist, nor a Communist, but an “anti-colonialist”. There is a difference.

His mentors all came from what mainstream Americans would call the far left. One mentor you may know of is Reverend Wright, who is an anti-colonial thought leader from a religious perspective. There are other religious leaders that advocate for both the left and right-so it’s not a stretch to think that Wright would be able to lead an anti-American movement from his pulpit.

His other mentors are either communists(Frank Marshall), radicals(Bill Ayers), or anti-Israel(Prof Edward Said). Obama’s maternal grandfather was also a communist. His mother left his Indonesian father when he became a capitalist.

But what I find interesting is Obama’s projected end game. Obama loves big government programs. Every proposal he has made is a giant government program. Big government programs consolidate industries into big dominant players. Oligopolies, and even Monopolies that have huge power over the market. Big government programs use regulation to eliminate competition-so the big corporate fat cats have nothing to fear-except big government.

The movie says that Obama is trying to blow up the deficit intentionally. If we can make things dire enough, the government can take drastic measures to try and remedy things. If major industries are consolidated enough, it’s pretty easy to issue an executive order and take them over. We already know the Democrats would fall behind a Democratic leader and take corporate profits.

Democrats: Let's Ban Profits!

Why wouldn’t they support a Democratic leader from taking over the companies that run them? Much easier to do if they are highly consolidated. Company executives might even be stupid enough to go for it if crony capitalism was involved.

It’s an interesting movie to think about. It’s interesting not just because of Obama, but it forces you to think about colonialism, corporate colonialism, and past empires. Very thought provoking.

My heartwarming story fits this way. Years ago, my wife and I were looking at different real estate investments. Of course, real estate was trendy back in 2000! We wound up speaking with a couple our age that ran from behind the Iron Curtain. He was an athlete. They got married, and were able to secure a pass for a honeymoon in Austria. They got off the train, and never went back.

They slept in a warehouse structure. Eventually, they made their way to America and settled here. Their kids went to college. They each run a small business and made a life for themselves here.

When I talked to him about investing in real estate, he asked me where I was looking. I told him, and he retorted, “You know nothing! Why would you invest your money ever in another country? America is the greatest country on earth. It’s the greatest country that there ever was, or ever will be. Why would you be stupid and do something like that?”. I didn’t invest in any real estate-thank goodness.

But the country that my acquaintance fled to would be similar to the country he fled from if the movie is correct in its projections. Obama has no compunction to tackle the debt. He will continue to try and establish his world view into our bureaucracy.

There are plenty of Americans in the US that were born here and sincerely think that America is no different from any other colonial empire of the past. True believers. There are plenty of hangers on that will try to milk what they can out of the movement with no regard to the future. They are the crony capitalists, the grease in the machine. There are plenty of people that go along because it’s the only hope they have, or they are so shiftless and unimaginative they rely on the machine to keep them in a subsistence lifestyle.

Obama speaks to those people, those hangers on, in every speech. With them, he can remake America in his anti-colonial vision. Without them, he loses power, and we can remake America on the first principles that people are coming around to again all over the country.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2016; 2016movie

1 posted on 09/09/2012 7:54:22 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Wife and I saw the 2016 movie a few weeks ago.
I was surprised that Obama’s mother from Kansas was more radical than his father, who is identified more or less as a serial bigamist.


2 posted on 09/09/2012 7:56:54 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (I didn't post this. Someone else did.)
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To: Kaslin

I saw the movie this weekend. It was very well done, but I dispute D’Souza on one, or two, of his premises. He seems to accept the Obama “birth story” at face value, rather than look at the piles of evidence to the contrary. He even implies that Obama’s parents lived together as a couple, which they never did.


3 posted on 09/09/2012 8:02:22 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic (Joe Biden is reported to be seeking asylum in a foreign country so he does not have to debate Ryan.)
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To: Kaslin

No one here needs to see this as it is preaching to the choir. The people who watch MSNBC (and the rest of the crap media) need to watch this.


4 posted on 09/09/2012 8:05:23 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

I wish people would stop identifying Stanley Ann Dunham as being “from Kansas”. She left Kansas as a small child. She was raised in Seattle and Mercer Island where she attended school and studied under self-identified Communist/Marxist teachers and attended church at a Communist church. (”The Little Red Church”) Those influences, plus Frank Marshall Davis — her dad’s buddy — were far more formational than her brief sojourn in Kansas.


5 posted on 09/09/2012 8:07:09 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic (Joe Biden is reported to be seeking asylum in a foreign country so he does not have to debate Ryan.)
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To: Kaslin

I saw this movie a few days ago - CHILLING!!

But it confirms what we have learned and come to suspect about the False Messiah over the last 4 years.

If we had a free, non-biased press doing its job Obama would never have made it to any public office.


6 posted on 09/09/2012 8:18:10 AM PDT by Iron Munro ("In any compromise between good and evil, it is only evil that can profit." - Ayn Rand)
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To: Kaslin

One of the problems with its success (which no one considered pre-release) is that it will hit DVD market much later now, i.e. $1 at RedBox.

With DVD, it’s distribution will massive and play a key role right before the election - which was plan all along.


7 posted on 09/09/2012 8:20:17 AM PDT by nhwingut (Sarah Palin 12... No One Else)
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To: Iron Munro
If we had a free, non-biased press doing its job Obama would never have made it to any public office.<<

if he never made it to office...He'd be on the “Watch List”

8 posted on 09/09/2012 8:23:52 AM PDT by M-cubed
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To: Kaslin
I have read the book and I went to the movie the first day it opened. It certainly is a thorough explanation of what Obama is really all about. I am glad to see it is getting such good box office. I hope the R/R ticket can use this presentation to define the O/B ticket in terms of the course we are on and where it will lead us. The Left has demonized practically every aspect of what this country was founded on and we have come to that point in time when we may well lose the Republic as Franklin cautioned. I still trust the Patriots will win the argument, but is is still hard to believe this is happening. I pray for our Country and all those fighting to save her on every front.
9 posted on 09/09/2012 8:24:54 AM PDT by WebTalk (Whatever it takes!)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
He seems to accept the Obama “birth story” at face value, rather than look at the piles of evidence to the contrary.

I do not know for sure, but I am inclined to believe that D'Sousa did not go down that path because it would give the MSM the clear opportunity to dismiss the movie as "just another birther story".

10 posted on 09/09/2012 8:25:43 AM PDT by VRW Conspirator (We were the tea party before there was a tea party. - Jim Robinson)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

I saw 2016 Friday night. Most of it we conservatives, freepers, and dittoheads already knew, except maybe some of the things about Barack Sr, and what influenced him. What I didn’t know, and found interesting, were the parallels between Dinesh and Barack Jr., and how their paths diverged.

Also, why Barack was sent back to Hawaii to live with his grandparents gave insight into his mother’s state of mind.


11 posted on 09/09/2012 8:28:11 AM PDT by Daveinyork
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To: M-cubed

Actually, he would probably have been deported back to his last known citizenship country, Indonesia, that’s if bunko charges were not filed for fraudulent citizenship claims to acquire college monetary assistance. As an abortion loving, socialist oligarchy criminal, little barry bastard commie is the dieal Democrat pResidential candidate.


12 posted on 09/09/2012 8:29:04 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: M-cubed

Actually, he would probably have been deported back to his last known citizenship country, Indonesia, that’s if bunko charges were not filed for fraudulent citizenship claims to acquire college monetary assistance. As an abortion loving, socialist oligarchy criminal, little barry bastard commie is the ideal Democrat pResidential candidate.


13 posted on 09/09/2012 8:29:34 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Daveinyork

You are absolutely correct about the film and the reason he was sent to live with his grandparents was the one thing I did not know about him.


14 posted on 09/09/2012 8:30:10 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: nhwingut
" it will hit DVD market much later now, i.e. $1 at RedBox."

I'm not positive about this, but I believe that he responded to a question about exactly this last nite on CSPAN2, and said that the DVD will be out before the election. I missed part of that (book review) so I recorded it this morning. It just went off.

15 posted on 09/09/2012 8:36:11 AM PDT by matthew fuller (Obama- If you get re-elected, who are you gonna blame for the mess you will inherit?)
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To: Daveinyork
... why Barack was sent back to Hawaii to live with his grandparents gave insight into his mother's state of mind.

Please, please tell us the reason!

16 posted on 09/09/2012 8:37:11 AM PDT by Covenantor ("Men are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern." Chesterton)
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To: Kaslin

Over this weekend; this movie will have passed TWO Michael Moore documentaries (’Bowling for Columbine’ and ‘Sicko’) AND ‘An Inconvenient Truth’ on its way to a solid #2 position on the list of all-time Political Documentaries box-office champs.


17 posted on 09/09/2012 8:37:21 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: matthew fuller

I believe he said that the DVD would be out in mid-October. Great timing.


18 posted on 09/09/2012 8:38:38 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: Kaslin

When I was in Sam’s Club this week, D’Souza’s book was almost sold out—the only one.


19 posted on 09/09/2012 8:43:12 AM PDT by Fu-fu2
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To: All

I was sitting in a grocery store parking lot yesterday while the wife shopped. I was thinking about the commmunists, and idiots, who would support obama if he wanted to take 100% of corporate profits. (as his daddy preached). I thought “If the stores didn’t make any profit we’d all have to go get our food at a food bank.” The idiots don’t see this. They think there’d be wonderful fancy new government run stores to go get whatever food we wanted.


20 posted on 09/09/2012 9:01:31 AM PDT by Terry Mross (2016 THE MOVIE....scarier than any zombie movie.)
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To: Vaquero

The more we know they easier it is to help friends and family come to the truth...


21 posted on 09/09/2012 9:19:30 AM PDT by GOPJ (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading - T. Jefferson)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Happy to cut Kansas some slack...


22 posted on 09/09/2012 9:22:13 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (I didn't post this. Someone else did.)
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To: Covenantor

Baracks stepfather, Mr. Soetero, went to work for an oil company, and was apparently doing quite well, and was, quite simply, too capitalistic for Barack’s mother, and therefore a bad influence on her precious son. She had to get Barry away from such evil influences, so she sent him back to Hawaii to live with his leftist grandparents.


23 posted on 09/09/2012 9:29:39 AM PDT by Daveinyork
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To: VRW Conspirator
I do not know for sure, but I am inclined to believe that D'Sousa did not go down that path because it would give the MSM the clear opportunity to dismiss the movie as "just another birther story".

I thought about that, but I was puzzled as to why he implied that the couple actually lived together for any period of time when all evidence points against that. Ann disappeared for the Winter semester at UH. She next shows up at the University of Washington with a 3 week old baby in late August, or early September. The address listed in the birth announcement was not their home -- ever -- according to neighbors.

BO Sr. shows up at Harvard at about the same time Ann shows up at UW. Dinesh glosses over all that and implies that BO Sr. left for Harvard years later than he did. In the mean time, Ann goes back to HI, moves in with her parents, and enrolls in school. Later she has her own apartment in HI and she meets Lolo, files for divorce, marries Lolo, drops out of school, and follows him to Indonesia.

I've read all this narrative 100 times, but I was surprised to hear Dinesh's interpretation of her split from Lolo as that he was too "captalistic". I hadn't heard that before. Always I'd heard that life became increasingly difficult in Indonesia for them because he landed on the wrong side politically and was forced out of his job. He also became an alcoholic. Interesting that she was married to 2 Muslim men who became alcoholics. !! (That is, if she ever was really married to Obama Sr.)

24 posted on 09/09/2012 9:34:24 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic (Joe Biden is reported to be seeking asylum in a foreign country so he does not have to debate Ryan.)
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To: M-cubed
If we had a free, non-biased press doing its job Obama would never have made it to any public office

And Kerry and Gore would have been land slided and Clinton would been forced to resign etc etc etc

I don't have an answer --the masses have been brainwashed by the schools,Hollywood, TV and the MSM
25 posted on 09/09/2012 9:36:46 AM PDT by uncbob
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To: Eric in the Ozarks; Vast Right Wing Conspiritress

The question arises about their stay in Seattle as to where they got the funds to live on Mercer Island? M.I. has always been a pricey suburb. Stan was a FURNITURE salesman and not so successful, either. Mrs. Stan wasn’t that high up in banking yet. And how did they finance the move to Hawaii? Not a cheap proposition.

I know that the Communist Party of the USA used to help finance up and comers into moving into better Berkeley neighborhoods in the 1960s. Could they have had something to do with the Dunhams’ moves?


26 posted on 09/09/2012 9:50:07 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic (Joe Biden is reported to be seeking asylum in a foreign country so he does not have to debate Ryan.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic; VRW Conspirator

See #26. I meant to address it to you and I “made up” a whole new FReeper when I started multi-tasking while FReeping!


27 posted on 09/09/2012 9:53:34 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic (Joe Biden is reported to be seeking asylum in a foreign country so he does not have to debate Ryan.)
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To: Daveinyork

Thanks for the info.

So she was the total revolutionary red bitch.

Additional insight into the snake’s nest that is Barry’s psyche. Makes me wonder if mommy dearest didn’t kick O senior to the curb for being just another drunk talking revolution instead of being the tough firebrand MauMau she thought he was.

I’ll need to get the DVD


28 posted on 09/09/2012 10:02:03 AM PDT by Covenantor ("Men are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern." Chesterton)
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To: Covenantor

“Makes me wonder if mommy dearest didn’t kick O senior to the curb for being just another drunk talking revolution instead of being the tough firebrand MauMau she thought he was.”

He certainly was that, but, I think I remember the movie saying that he left and went back to Kenya, where he had a wife and at least one child. He had at least one more after her, and conceived George Obama, before drinking himself into a stupor, getting behind the wheel, and involving himself in a fatal crash.


29 posted on 09/09/2012 10:09:03 AM PDT by Daveinyork
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To: afraidfortherepublic

The point of the movie is not Obama’s birth, the issue is what America will look like in 2016. I appreciate that D’Souza wasn’t distracted by birth issue.


30 posted on 09/09/2012 10:11:42 AM PDT by rabidralph (http://www.patriotcalendars.com/)
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To: who knows what evil?

I read in another news account that it’s surpassed “Bully” in earnings, yet that film was hyped to high heaven, this one wasn’t. Reminds me of Coulter books consistently being No. 1 without any mainstream publicity.


31 posted on 09/09/2012 10:14:32 AM PDT by rabidralph (http://www.patriotcalendars.com/)
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To: rabidralph

I accept your point, but I found it hard to accept some of Dinesh’s other assertions when he made such a glaring error. Obama has lied to the American people from the beginning — about his birth, his upbringing, his education, his travels, and his goals for America. His birth is part of that lie and should be exposed.


32 posted on 09/09/2012 10:18:04 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic (Joe Biden is reported to be seeking asylum in a foreign country so he does not have to debate Ryan.)
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To: rabidralph
I read in another news account that it’s surpassed “Bully” in earnings, yet that film was hyped to high heaven, this one wasn’t. Reminds me of Coulter books consistently being No. 1 without any mainstream publicity.

LOL...surpassed, all right...by a 7 to 1 margin (2016's 26 million vs. Bully's 3.5 million)...and 2016 hasn't ended its box office run yet...

33 posted on 09/09/2012 10:21:55 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: Kaslin
If you want to get the full truth of Obama watch "2016" and follow it with "Dreams From My Real Father" by Joel Gilbert.

Dinesh's movie is the really snazzy and well done opener.

Gilbert's DVD answers all of the questions you may have formed in your mind while watching "2016." Gilbert leaves no stone unturned.

34 posted on 09/09/2012 10:22:09 AM PDT by Slyfox
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To: afraidfortherepublic
You are welcome to spend your money and make a convincing documentary, exposing and explaining Obama's birthplace.

D'Souza was focused on what's provable and more alarming.

35 posted on 09/09/2012 11:37:38 AM PDT by rabidralph (http://www.patriotcalendars.com/)
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To: rabidralph

My objection is that he reiterated the Obama “birth story” as if it were true when there is no evidence whatsoever that it is true. All birth certificates offered by the WH, so far, are forgeries. No hospital in Hawaii has actually claimed his birth. Both possible hospitals previously named have backtracked. D’Sousa should have left the subject entirely alone, if he wasn’t going to debunk it. He didn’t even offer a “many dispute these claims” disclaimer. That undermines the credibility of his other assertions.

Other than that, the movie was good. It just wan’t perfect. I thought Dinesh tread way too softly on Obama’s and the medias’ frauds.


36 posted on 09/09/2012 11:49:31 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic (Joe Biden is reported to be seeking asylum in a foreign country so he does not have to debate Ryan.)
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To: Kaslin

“The basic theme is that Obama is not a Marxist, nor a Communist, but an ‘anti-colonialist.’”

Yes, but like his father, Obama seems to have chosen Russian-style Communism to fight colonialism.


37 posted on 09/09/2012 12:12:12 PM PDT by charlie72
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Well, after 15 years of FR, I don’t see anybody on here producing any blockbusters on the corruption of democrats.


38 posted on 09/09/2012 12:23:16 PM PDT by rabidralph (http://www.patriotcalendars.com/)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Dunham went from Kansas to Oklahoma to Texas and back to Kansas, until she was about 13 years of age. Her parents were born in Kansas.


39 posted on 09/09/2012 5:19:24 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the world.)
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To: GOPJ
The more we know they easier it is to help friends and family come to the truth...

Good point

40 posted on 09/09/2012 5:54:02 PM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Kaslin
I believe that Frank Marshall Davis is Obama’s dad, and I was disappointed that this was not brought up. But, I think D’Sousa wanted to avoid that issue and stress other topics.

Obama does not look like Obama I. He looks like Frank.

41 posted on 09/09/2012 7:03:43 PM PDT by Swede Girl
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