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The Age of Trolling - How a small band of conservatives generated half of the DNC's headlines
The Slate ^ | September 7, 2012 | David Weigel

Posted on 09/09/2012 8:27:55 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

....Whatever lessons the Democrats take from Charlotte, whatever it did for the president or for the ambitious senators and governors who stalked delegate breakfasts and whispered “2016,” this is a fact: The convention was successfully trolled.

I don’t use troll in the pejorative sense. Actually, I may be trying to craft a neutral meaning of troll where none previously existed. The term, in its modern Internet usage, refers to people who want to start fights online to bring the universe into an argument on their terms. It comes not from Grimm literature, but from a fishing technique in which multiple lines are baited and dragged to haul in the maximum amount of cold-bloods.

Democrats did not expect to spend Wednesday arguing about the capital of Israel and the appearance of the word “God” in their platform. There were, reportedly, 15,000 members of the media in Charlotte, of whom maybe 14,980 could have given a damn about the party platform. On Tuesday night, when the Obama campaign and the DNC released its platform, none of the bigfoot media outlets in town spent time on the text.

No, it took until Wednesday morning for Jeff Dunetz, at the YidWithALid blog, to comment that “Democrats have removed this pro-Israel section from their platform.”.....At 11:26 a.m., Weekly Standard reporter Daniel Halper published a story on the platform, making the same point. (He credited YidWithALid.)

It could have ended there. But within a few hours, CNN and Fox News were browbeating Democrats to ask why they’d changed the platform—why, too, had they removed an old reference to “God-given talents,” and thus deleted YHWH from the text? Democrats gave up........

................who thought, just 11 months after the launch of the Occupy movement, that 99 percenters would have less influence on the platform than conservative media?...............

(Excerpt) Read more at slate.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: media; newmedia; reporting; troll
LINKS at source.
1 posted on 09/09/2012 8:28:01 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
I don’t use troll in the pejorative sense. Actually, I may be trying to craft a neutral meaning of troll where none previously existed. The term, in its modern Internet usage, refers to people who want to start fights online to bring the universe into an argument on their terms. It comes not from Grimm literature, but from a fishing technique in which multiple lines are baited and dragged to haul in the maximum amount of cold-bloods.

Ping for later

2 posted on 09/09/2012 8:34:44 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (At the end of the day, you have to worship the god who can set you on fire.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

The internet has become a force.


3 posted on 09/09/2012 8:34:58 AM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

The First Dictator was so self-congratulatory (as usual) in ‘08 when he bragged that he was on the cutting edge of internet politics and fund-raising. In 2012, his bunch looks very far behind the curve in both.

Live by the internet, die by the internet.


4 posted on 09/09/2012 8:38:23 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Awe, they got a little sour taste of their own medicine and cry “It’s not fair!”. Slime, all of them!


5 posted on 09/09/2012 8:42:48 AM PDT by poobear (Socialism, in the minds of the elites, is a con-game for the serfs, nothing more.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
her unique ability to create arguments that are both perfectly formed and supernaturally unconvincing

Funny line about DWS! :)

6 posted on 09/09/2012 8:44:44 AM PDT by smoothsailing (President Obama is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people - Clint Eastwood)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Good.


7 posted on 09/09/2012 8:49:06 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Any change to the DNC party platform required a voice vote of 2/3’s of the majority of convention delegates. The speaker stated that President Obama asked for support of this platform change.

The speaker called for voice vote of the “Ayes” and the “Nays”.. then he hesitated.
The speaker then called for a second voice vote of the “Ayes” and the “Nays”.. then he hesitated.
After another longer hesitation, the speaker then called for a third voice vote of the “Ayes” and the “Nays”.
The speaker then announced that the motion was passed , despite the obvious excess of “Nay” voice votes.

This was an enlightening expierience in what to expect from the party and how non-responsive it is to its own constituents.
Can we exect anything different from the party candidate ?
I think not .. !!


8 posted on 09/09/2012 8:52:30 AM PDT by Tilted Irish Kilt
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Some kinds of trolls may be like honest fishermen, but others are cowardly miscreants hiding in the darkness whose ultimate effect is the shedding of innocent blood.


9 posted on 09/09/2012 8:58:30 AM PDT by reasonisfaith (Why do you seek the living among the dead? (Luke 24:5))
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To: reasonisfaith

Cass Sunstein knows about these latter kinds of trolls.


10 posted on 09/09/2012 8:59:06 AM PDT by reasonisfaith (Why do you seek the living among the dead? (Luke 24:5))
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

“Dave Weigel sure has a short memory.

Apparently, it’s now considered trolling to accurately report what Democrats do…”

http://americanglob.com/2012/09/08/in-which-dave-weigel-forgets-he-was-a-member-of-journolist/


11 posted on 09/09/2012 9:03:50 AM PDT by smoothsailing (President Obama is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people - Clint Eastwood)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
...dogged Democrats about an unforced error made by DNC Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz, when she claimed a Washington Examiner reporter lied about a quote he had on tape.

An 'unforced error'? Unforced error? That's a LIE. If a Republican had said an 'unforced error' the suck-ups in the MSM would call it a lie. And a troll is based on the creeps under a bridge. They were originally liberal liars who came to conservative sites and pretended to be conservatives - using the lie to make Republicans look bad.

David Weigel shows a small promise of being able to see things as they really are - but he is totally wrong on the above.

12 posted on 09/09/2012 9:09:04 AM PDT by GOPJ (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading - T. Jefferson)
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To: poobear
Awe, they got a little sour taste of their own medicine...

On the contrary. Unlike their prescriptions, they got unadulterated medicine, and couldn't handle it.

I do take issue with the use of trolling.

The dems changed their platform, YidWithALid bothered to read the new platform, and pointed out the differences.

How's that trolling? In the real world, naturally.

13 posted on 09/09/2012 9:10:04 AM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: GOPJ
I interpreted "unforced error" in this context to be like the baseball term -- something that Schultz did out of sheer stupidity, ignorance, or incompetence.
14 posted on 09/09/2012 9:14:33 AM PDT by justlurking (The only remedy for a bad guy with a gun is a good WOMAN (Sgt. Kimberly Munley) with a gun)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

They removed God from their party and platform. This wouldn’t be an issue if they weren’t concerned about giving an illusion of “righteousness” before the public.

Jesus warned against this behavior.

Matthew 6:5
“And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full.”


15 posted on 09/09/2012 9:18:39 AM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (If there is a war on women, the Kennedys are the Spec Ops troops.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Again with Slate.com going off the liberal reservation. It’s amazing how sometimes the truth, like a pernicious weed, can push its way through the toughest pavement and into the light of day.


16 posted on 09/09/2012 9:19:12 AM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

The libs own the mass media yet they still complain. If the mass media was fair and balanced Romney would be leading by 10 points


17 posted on 09/09/2012 9:19:45 AM PDT by dennisw (Government be yo mamma - Re-elect Barack Obama)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Ha haaaaa. Citizen Journalists strike again.

Take that, Flatline Media.

18 posted on 09/09/2012 9:21:40 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
There were, reportedly, 15,000 members of the media in Charlotte, of whom maybe 14,980 could have given a damn about the party platform.

15,000 members of the media??? Where were the delegates? Oh, right. They were locked out by The Fire Marshall.

19 posted on 09/09/2012 9:26:11 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: Travis McGee
................who thought, just 11 months after the launch of the Occupy movement, that 99 percenters would have less influence on the platform than conservative media?...............

"View from the enemy camp" bump. We just might be making inroads.

20 posted on 09/09/2012 9:32:18 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Communist Party = Democrats. Socialist Party = Republicans. WE NEED A CAPITALIST FREEDOM PARTY!)
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To: Calvin Locke

Yes but they insinuate that someone has played a little trick when in fact outside their little world is a much bigger one where people DO care what’s on their platform. Yes, they are shocked but not for the reason they should be.


21 posted on 09/09/2012 9:36:27 AM PDT by poobear (Socialism, in the minds of the elites, is a con-game for the serfs, nothing more.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Dems hate it when the MSM loses control of the spin. Suddenly, they don’t get to be the only ones who have control of the podium. Hurray for the Rush Limbaugh (and others on talk radio) and the internet and, in this case, a BIG hurray for Fox News and Brett Bauer for pounding on this point.


22 posted on 09/09/2012 9:39:19 AM PDT by onevoter
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To: mylife

May the force be with us - Always!


23 posted on 09/09/2012 9:40:03 AM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
It could have ended there. But within a few hours, CNN and Fox News were browbeating Democrats to ask why they’d changed the platform...

Slate lexicographical reference for "Browbeat."

Asking a democrat a question it doesn't want to answer....

24 posted on 09/09/2012 9:44:42 AM PDT by papertyger (Representation without taxation is tyranny! NO REPRESENTATION WITHOUT TAXATION!)
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To: justlurking
...something that Schultz did out of sheer stupidity, ignorance, or incompetence.

That's the beauty of using the term literally... Schultz didn't lie out of stupidity or ignorance - she lied because she thought she could get away with it. Even a year ago the press would NOT have called her on the lie. Conservatives are starting to influence journalists - they're almost ashamed of covering for blatant liberal lies... it's happening.

25 posted on 09/09/2012 9:46:42 AM PDT by GOPJ (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading - T. Jefferson)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
some time ago there was a FReeper that posted quite a bit from YidWithALid but i don't know if it was their blog, haven't seen it in quite a long time now
26 posted on 09/09/2012 9:51:11 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
................who thought, just 11 months after the launch of the Occupy movement, that 99 percenters would have less influence on the platform than conservative media?...............

Only anyone with a functioning brain who could see that the Occupy movement was a complete fraud and a joke.

27 posted on 09/09/2012 9:51:11 AM PDT by denydenydeny (Admiration of absolute government is proportionate to the contempt one has for others.-Tocqueville)
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As usual, the leftists at Slate don't quite get it. A "Platform" states, for the record, what the President's administration's view will be, as well as the political and legislative agenda.

Democrats did not expect to spend Wednesday arguing about the capital of Israel and the appearance of the word “God” in their platform. There were, reportedly, 15,000 members of the media in Charlotte, of whom maybe 14,980 could have given a damn about the party platform.

First off, Slate claims that nobody really cares about what's in the "platform," sort of like when SanFranNan stated that Obamacare needed to be passed and made law before we could know what was in it.

Secondly, and more importantly, the last time I checked, Israelis and the Nation of Israel "believe" that Jerusalem, the "City of David, is the capital of the country. Silly them, as the DNC's Presidential Platform (approved by Obama beforehand), as well as the Obama regime has now decided that the capital of Israel will be up for discussion by Israel's enemies. When that came out and was made public, the SHTF, and the establishment DNC realized that they had pushed the leftist line just a bit too far, realizing that Speilberg, Katzenberg, and most of the big money, far left Jewish financiers of the Dems just weren't quite ready for that step, the total abandonment of Israel to her enemies. Maybe in the next election cycle, but not quite yet.

Mark

28 posted on 09/09/2012 9:54:32 AM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
It comes not from Grimm literature, but from a fishing technique in which multiple lines are baited and dragged to haul in the maximum amount of cold-bloods.

This reads like it was written by a stereotyped exaggeration of a pasty nebbish who has never seen the sun or dated a girl.

29 posted on 09/09/2012 9:56:10 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: justlurking; GOPJ
I interpreted "unforced error" in this context to be like the baseball term -- something that Schultz did out of sheer stupidity, ignorance, or incompetence.

You're right about the definition, but it's not a baseball term that I know of. It's a tennis term.

30 posted on 09/09/2012 10:00:01 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: rockrr
Again with Slate.com going off the liberal reservation.

Sorry, but I disagree. Slate didn't go "off the reservation." They were chiding the leftists, letting them know where they screwed up, and telling them they need to do a better job of covering their trails.

Mark

31 posted on 09/09/2012 10:06:29 AM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: Chode; All

http://yidwithlid.blogspot.com/


32 posted on 09/09/2012 10:08:51 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Who's the troll here?

Mark Siegel resigned Friday from his post in the Palm Beach County Democratic Party, according to the communications director of the state's Democratic Party, Brannon Jordan.

Siegel, speaking to a conservative journalist in Charlotte, NC, said he wasn't a fan of Christianity because "the Christians just want [Jews] to be there so we can be slaughtered and converted and bring on the second coming of Jesus Christ."

Bringing this kind of rehetoric to light isn't trolling...it's actual reporting that the msm won't report if it comes from a dem.

33 posted on 09/09/2012 10:10:27 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: Liberty Valance

Yes.

It’s the reporting they can’t stand.


34 posted on 09/09/2012 10:12:02 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
thx...
35 posted on 09/09/2012 10:14:02 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: MarkL

Good point. It reminds me of a technique that Rush employs on occasion. He will start to say something and stop, asking himself (rhetorically) if he really wants to impart this important information that the enemy could use. Then he proclaims, “No - it’s OK - they’d never take advice from me, no matter how much it would help them!”

I’m just amused that another one of the Øbozo Propaganda Centers is scolding their own.


36 posted on 09/09/2012 10:16:38 AM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt
After another longer hesitation, the speaker then called for a third voice vote of the “Ayes” and the “Nays”. The speaker then announced that the motion was passed , despite the obvious excess of “Nay” voice votes.

The chair was Antonio Villaraigosa, mayor of Los Angeles and an alleged rising star in the Democrat Party. At our house, Villaraigosa is known as El Burrito, which apparently can also be translated as the little ass.

The ole boy looked totally confused and poor when he was calling for these votes. He honestly didn't know what to do when the voice vote didn't appear to have the required two-thirds support.

If that's the kind of rising star the collective asses in the Democrat Party want, then let them have him.

Abajo! Abajo! El Burrito!
37 posted on 09/09/2012 10:59:15 AM PDT by righttackle44 (I may not be much, but I raised a United States Marine.)
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To: mylife
The internet has become a force.

Yep, but it is being bridled by Akaima via java on Twitter and other sites. I have effectively been frozen out until I closed my browser and re-logged on many many times.

38 posted on 09/09/2012 11:11:59 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Here's the money quote

Any comment made online, if it’s given the right forum, is as relevant as any comment made by some media gatekeeper

They can't stand it that holes have been cut in their media fence, and that wild and dangerous facts have escaped their media zoo

39 posted on 09/09/2012 11:26:45 AM PDT by chesley (God's chosen instrument - the trumpet)
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To: smoothsailing; Cincinatus' Wife

Dave Weigel was/is a member of journ-o-list. He’s about as “conservative” as Van Jones.


40 posted on 09/09/2012 11:32:46 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
But see this further down:

“Regarding ‘trolling,’ ” Weekly Standard reporter John McCormack told me via email, “I think the word ‘reporting’ would be better.”* I agree. The Washington Times, the Examiner, and other conservative media were trying to get Democrats on the record on subjects they’d rather ignore and finesse. “The mainstream press had a good amount of coverage on GOP platform's abortion plank,” wrote McCormack, “(which was silent on exceptions and hadn't changed at all from past) so they could talk about abortion in the instance of rape.” The rest of the media skipped out on covering the Democrats’ platform negotiations, and missed out on the story of the Jerusalem planks.

For all the talk about "trolling" (shouldn't that be "trawling" if it comes from the fishing world?) this was a triumph for reporting things that the mainstream media doesn't want to report.

FWIW, apparently "trolling" and "trawling" are both ways of fishing. I can't help thinking, though, that if it weren't for the under-the-bridge-living trolls the term wouldn't have caught on.

41 posted on 09/09/2012 11:46:19 AM PDT by x
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

The two things about both of the conventions that will stick in the voters minds more than anything else will be the Empty Chair and the Removal of God.


42 posted on 09/09/2012 11:47:29 AM PDT by Slyfox
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To: Texas Fossil

I see many open forums on the internet..
Let them rage.


43 posted on 09/09/2012 11:57:06 AM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Slyfox

I agree.


44 posted on 09/09/2012 12:01:52 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Texas Eagle

Most of the media are not in the convention hall. They are in portable buildings or perhaps another large permanent building. They write their pieces as if they were in the convention hall In 2000 I saw this myself. Most media is just reporting what C-span or the networks... The few permitted inside... Choose to air. It is almost a hoax.


45 posted on 09/09/2012 12:46:02 PM PDT by Freee-dame
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

The left’s definition of a troll: anyone who doesn’t agree with them.

Look forward to “anti-troll” laws in the future.


46 posted on 09/09/2012 12:55:00 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Vote for willard - he doesn't need to earn your vote, he's entitled to it.)
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To: Lazamataz

Interesting perspective!


47 posted on 09/09/2012 6:06:26 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: dennisw
If the mass media was fair and balanced Romney would be leading by 10 points.

If the mass media were fair and balanced, Romney would not be a nominee.

48 posted on 09/09/2012 9:38:53 PM PDT by thulldud (Is it "alter or abolish" time yet?)
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To: dennisw
The libs own the mass media yet they still complain.

Yeah, it's just not fair that ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC, NPT, The NY Times, Boston Globe, and Washington Post are getting ganged up on by Fox. :=)

49 posted on 09/09/2012 9:56:35 PM PDT by Bob
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