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Tom Coburn: Cut the waste, duplication and ridiculous out of the Pentagon
The Right Scoop ^ | 9/8/12 | The Right Scoop

Posted on 09/09/2012 10:51:48 AM PDT by Mozilla

Coburn: Sequestration doesn’t have to hurt if we just cut the waste, duplication and ridiculous out of the Pentagon.

CBS News ran this report tonight and I was literally stunned at some of the “ridiculous” Coburn has found in wasteful spending in the Pentagon:

Sequestration could be Pentagon pork killer


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: coburn; govtwaste; pentagon; tomcoburn; waste; wastefraudabuse
I agree with Coburn but the Beltway will do everything to stop waste cutting, changes and overhaul of the State Department and Pentagon.
1 posted on 09/09/2012 10:51:56 AM PDT by Mozilla
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To: Mozilla

I saw that report on see BS.

They talked about waste and fraud in the Pentagon, but what about all the other government departments and agencies? How about getting rid of welfare and EBT fraud? And why are we giving welfare and EBT cards to illegal aliens? They’re not even citizens. And on and on.


2 posted on 09/09/2012 11:03:17 AM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (If people don't have to show an ID to vote, why do they have to show one to purchase a firearm?.)
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To: Mozilla

Like offer up important programs to be cut instead of the trivia. SOP


3 posted on 09/09/2012 11:06:45 AM PDT by I am Richard Brandon
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To: Mozilla

During WW II, some 16 million Americans in uniform, the number of flag officers was LESS than we have today. The Pentagon is referred to as the Puzzle Palace with good reason.


4 posted on 09/09/2012 11:29:53 AM PDT by ken5050
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To: Mozilla
From the article:22 year and they can't get it right? I'd say it's way, way past time to bring in an outside auditor.
5 posted on 09/09/2012 11:44:36 AM PDT by upchuck ("Definition of 'racist:' someone that is winning an argument with a liberal." ~ Peter Brimelow)
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To: Mozilla

The DOD is something like 17% of the federal budget, but is the department called out in something like 80% of stories about waste.

No one, AT ALL, will convince me that there isn’t big-time fraud with all the goodie programs, like Medicare, Medicaid, Food Stamps, Old-Age Welfare, SSI (especially), and just about everything else.

...and we FReepers take the bait and pile on while the ONE CONSTITUTIONAL FUNCTION of government gets beat up by people that want to shut it down (i.e., the media). Let them get the ILLEGALS (and other fraud) out of those other programs, and then they might have a case to go after DOD, but NOT UNTIL THEN. DOD is not eating this country alive, not even close.

Shame on us.


6 posted on 09/09/2012 11:51:27 AM PDT by BobL (You can live each day only once. You can waste a few, but don't waste too many.)
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To: Mozilla
See? BS! can pound sand.

Until they start some serious "investigative" "journalism" exposing fraud, waste and abuse in welfare programs, subsidies, regulatory agencies, and the like ... it's obvious that they're not interested in saving taxpayer money. They're only interested in killing our military.

To hell with 'em.

7 posted on 09/09/2012 11:54:23 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ken5050

I thought the term “Puzzle Palace” referred to the NSA?


8 posted on 09/09/2012 12:24:34 PM PDT by ConjunctionJunction
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To: BobL

The DOD is something like 17% of the federal budget, but is the department called out in something like 80% of stories about waste.

No one, AT ALL, will convince me that there isn’t big-time fraud with all the goodie programs, like Medicare, Medicaid, Food Stamps, Old-Age Welfare, SSI (especially), and just about everything else.

...and we FReepers take the bait and pile on while the ONE CONSTITUTIONAL FUNCTION of government gets beat up by people that want to shut it down (i.e., the media). Let them get the ILLEGALS (and other fraud) out of those other programs, and then they might have a case to go after DOD, but NOT UNTIL THEN. DOD is not eating this country alive, not even close.

Shame on us.

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Thank you.


9 posted on 09/09/2012 12:31:54 PM PDT by ROTB (Live holy, forgive all & pray in Jesus' name. Trust He is willing & able & eager to ANSWER BIG!)
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To: ArrogantBustard

Yeah I understand but the pentagon can be cleaned out and fixed a bit.


10 posted on 09/09/2012 12:38:04 PM PDT by Mozilla
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To: BobL

Of course there’s big time fraud in all the welfare programs. And, for the record, I view SS/Medicare as welfare.

But the GOP is politically stupid to not give the Democrats exactly what they want.

Liberals want to cut defense spending? Okie-dokey, we can do that. We’ll cut the programs that benefit liberal congressional districts and blue states the most.

Now, because the liberals said that they’d cut social spending after we cut the DOD budget, our side should stand up and say “You wanted cuts in defense spending... and we delivered cuts in defense spending. Now let’s start going after fraud and abuse of the welfare programs!”

And the Democrats are then stuck. They said they’d talk about cuts in social programs after defense cuts. Keep trumpeting the fact that they lied - we offered up cuts in DOD spending and they changed the subject (which is what you know they’re going to do).

The DOD budget is clearly out of control, BTW. There’s so much nonsense contained therein it isn’t funny. I could sit down their a detailed DOD budget and cut $200B in an afternoon’s review and it wouldn’t change our defense readiness a jot. The waste and fraud I’ve heard about from returning young men from Iraq and Afghanistan is mind-boggling, and a lot of it going to well-connected contractors and hangers-on of the DOD in the DC Beltway.


11 posted on 09/09/2012 12:42:25 PM PDT by NVDave
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To: ken5050
A quick and hopefully accurate online search showed 283 deployable ships in our Navy and 213 Admirals.

Incredible.

12 posted on 09/09/2012 12:43:02 PM PDT by Jacquerie (Exterminate rats.)
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To: Jacquerie

It is incredible.

Talking to senior NCO’s who have retired from the military after 20+ years of service, they tell tales of far, far too many officers for our own good.

See, there’s only so many billets in the military. So what do all these high-level officers do?

They engage in back-room politics, policy-making and mischief - most all of which does nothing to help us. But boy oh boy, does it help their careers and retirement bennies.


13 posted on 09/09/2012 12:50:11 PM PDT by NVDave
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To: NVDave

“We’ll cut the programs that benefit liberal congressional districts and blue states the most.”

I’ve seen maps showing where various program funding is spent. For big projects like the B1 and Future Combat systems if you made every state line disappear, you’d still make out an outline of the country. Savvy players spread the money into virtually every congressional district. On one project, a company opened a unit in the budget chairman’s district and sent substantial business and jobs there. The projects I’ve been associated with are never in just one state or district.


14 posted on 09/09/2012 1:00:02 PM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: NVDave
I've seen it where a contractor was sent to an Army post to change a .13 cents fuse that the soldiers could change.

The Army picked up the airfare, rental car, hotel and per-diem. The reason is that the system is propriety and the soldiers can't touch it.

15 posted on 09/09/2012 1:04:24 PM PDT by USAF80
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To: Gen.Blather

Of course. The beltway bandits saw this moment coming from a decade or more away.

Still, there’s ways to cut the DOD budget that will make liberals wish they had not bought the subject up.

On taxes: Oh, the GOP should drop their “no new taxes” pledge. They should even volunteer to raise taxes on the rich - because the rich vote disproportionally for the DNC, and the rich donate much more to the DNC than to the GOP.

Take the AMT. We can play with the AMT to raise the pain level of the US income tax for most of the blue states with high state taxation. That could be a lot of fun - a double whammy, as it were. Decrease the point at which paying high state taxes and claiming them as a deduction on the 1040 kicks in the AMT.

Or there’s other taxes: Put on a transaction tax on non-listed financial securities. Whammo, the big bankers are bent over in a hurry. Put additional taxes on hedge funds and HFT’s. Goes right to the heart of the DNC money machine.

Last place I’d go is after trusts and 501(c)(3)’s that engage in political posturing. This is the breadbasket of the left. Tighten the rules and rule enforcement against political positioning of these non-profits - then enforce it hard.

The point is, the GOP could be giving liberals exactly what they *claim* they want - good and hard - and the liberals would be back-peddling so fast, they’d leave skidmarks in their own underwear.


16 posted on 09/09/2012 1:08:31 PM PDT by NVDave
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To: NVDave

Writing as a retired Lt Col, I’d say you could cut the officer force by 30-40% without impacting operations. Maybe a 25% cut in company grade, 50% cut in field grade, and 75% cut in General Officers...


17 posted on 09/09/2012 1:12:18 PM PDT by Mr Rogers
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To: Mr Rogers

Your last two estimates are pretty much what a retired USA CSM told me too.


18 posted on 09/09/2012 1:19:19 PM PDT by NVDave
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To: NVDave

““You wanted cuts in defense spending... and we delivered cuts in defense spending. Now let’s start going after fraud and abuse of the welfare programs!””

Are you Karl Rove, or something. The Dems ALWAYS take us to the cleaners when we give in first. The Dems, in your example, will take the DOD cuts and then walk away from the table laughing. Bush’s father (really Richard Darman) is still waiting for all of those budget cuts that were promised in return for his famous tax increase...it’s been 20+ years and they’re still waiting.

Only The Establishment believes we can beat the Dems by acting like gentlemen.


19 posted on 09/09/2012 1:25:58 PM PDT by BobL (You can live each day only once. You can waste a few, but don't waste too many.)
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To: Mozilla

We have something like 76 federal assistant programs, I bet each one has a bureaucracy.

How about we merge them into one ?


20 posted on 09/09/2012 1:31:24 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: july4thfreedomfoundation

So we can cut out the social programs, eco-programs and say the Congressional airlift wing?


21 posted on 09/09/2012 1:37:31 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Jacquerie
Well, at one point ~1980, Canada had something like 104 tanks, and 106 generals.

The first thing that should go is slush fund that pays for, among other things, the Edward M. Kennedy school of something or another.

John F'n Kerry tapped that for his buddy.

22 posted on 09/09/2012 1:42:01 PM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: NVDave

if there is an office of ‘diversity’ or anything like that, it has no military function.

Retire all desk jockey generals


23 posted on 09/09/2012 1:47:42 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: BobL

The Democrats always take us to the cleaners because we agree with what they want, and then we try to “compromise” by giving them only half of what they want.

What I’m talking about is giving them what they *claim* they want... but in the details, I’m giving them a knife in the back. That’s why the DOD cuts should be structured to cause job losses in their districts. Come the next election, the GOP runs a candidate who can claim (with a straight face and appropriate histrionics) “Your liberal congressman wanted defense cuts... well, you got them. How are you liking those cuts?”

Another example: They want more gun control.

OK.

In the gun control bill, we take away Washington DC’s ability to write local gun control laws. DC gets full gun rights, shall-issue CCW and everything else that are in normal states. We point out that DC’s ideas on gun control aren’t working, so we’ll give them a template from other states with low rates of gun violence, which, BTW, are shall-issue states.

Predicted result: The Democrats go positively apeshit. The bill goes nowhere.

Example: They want a tax increase.

I give them a tax increase that is designed to fall on Democrats. Suddenly, they don’t want a tax increase quite so much.

The problem for most Republicans is that they don’t know jack about haggling.

The only type of compromise that the GOP seems to know is “give them half of what they want.” That’s why the GOP is the party of “socialism-lite.”

I look at “compromise” a wholly different way. You want something. I want something. If you want X and I want Y, you get X only if I get Y.

Now, the GOP has tried this in recent years, but gotten log-rolled because they don’t know how to give the Democrats what they *say* they want. The secret to successful compromise for us should be to give the Democrats a turd wrapped in gift paper, so they think they’re getting this wonderful present... until they take the time to open it up.

The GOP also doesn’t study the rules and legislative techniques in Congress enough. They need to do a much better job at controlling the process in Congress. If we take the Senate, the GOP could learn a lot from Harry Reid’s technique of the Friday Night Massacres.


24 posted on 09/09/2012 3:10:45 PM PDT by NVDave
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To: GeronL

Imagine how much money would have been saved if Nancy Pelosi, as House Speaker, had flown United Air Lines between D.C. and San Francisco instead of using a 767-sized Air Force transport at taxpayers expense.

I heard she and her family ran up a food bill on the plane of $400,000, and the taxpayers got stuck with the bill.


25 posted on 09/09/2012 8:53:39 PM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (If people don't have to show an ID to vote, why do they have to show one to purchase a firearm?.)
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To: july4thfreedomfoundation

bump


26 posted on 09/09/2012 8:57:39 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Mozilla

Corborn is right. Obama needs to be mindful of where cuts are made and inform Congress.

I want that d!ck war school guy who targeted the Tea Party in a civil war game cut! I’m tired of Americans being painted as the government’s war enemy in this administration! If we have riots, deal with riots. We have crime; deal with crime - under the constraints of the US constitution! The US government does not have any right to even dream about declaring war and turning their war machine on Americans.


27 posted on 09/09/2012 9:12:20 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: july4thfreedomfoundation
Were you born stupid or have you worked at it all your life?

They talked about waste and fraud in the Pentagon, but what about all the other government departments and agencies? How about getting rid of welfare and EBT fraud?

Do you know anything at all about Tom Coburn? And why are we giving welfare and EBT cards to illegal aliens? They’re not even citizens. And on and on.

I checked with my state's website, at the caseworker interview you are required to provide proof of identity, proof of citizenship or immigration papers and must have a social security number.

Since you're lazing on your butt all day maybe you should report all these EBT and welfare fraud cases you know about.

States must establish and enforce standards and procedures to ensure against program fraud and abuse. States may prosecute individuals or deny them further assistance if they commit fraud or willfully misrepresent their circumstances. If you are aware of specific instances of potential fraud, you may also call the HHS Inspector General's Hotline toll-free at 1-800-447-8477
(Source)

So... do you have anything to contribute or are you just going to run your mouth?

28 posted on 09/10/2012 3:49:27 AM PDT by newzjunkey (Election night is 58 days away.)
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