Rossi Gives Third-Party Test Results from Hot Cat [Cold Fusion]

PESN.com -- Pure Energy Systems News ^ | September 9, 2012 | Sterling D. Allan

[AZLiberty]

Short article from Sterling D. Allan from PESN.com:

Last night, Andrea Rossi read and explained the third party tests that were done in July on his hot cat technology. The results evince outputs that approach nuclear in their power density and peak output levels.

I'm presently attending the conference, so I'm not able to compose a report on this excellent E-Cat conference. That will come later. But for now, I thought you would like to see the video I shot last night.

Here's the video I took of last night's presentation that Andrea Rossi gave at the E-Cat conference in Zurich that is presently under way in its second of two days.

[AZLiberty]

I was also at the conference in Zurich, and met Andrea Rossi and his control systems expert, Fluvio Fabiani. The conference was mind-bending. A few tidbits:

• There were over 300 people in attendance, mostly entrepreneurs, and mostly from Europe, although Australia had a surprisingly strong contingent.
• The "cold fusion" phenomenon is real (in my humble but now very informed opinion). It's now a matter of engineering and entrepreneurship to see how far it goes, but the amount of energy that comes out of a few grams of material means it can only be nuclear.
• A satisfied military customer has been running a 1-megawatt E-Cat for months, with continuous production of heat energy and no failures. The 1-megawatt E-Cat has been safety certified for industrial applications.
• A similar commercial installation is about to go into operation, and will serve as a reference site.
• Rossi no longer believes that the fundamental mechanism is transmutation of nickel into copper. Although small amounts of copper have been found, Rossi now believes that that may be a side-effect of the gamma rays that are produced in the reaction. After Rossi mentioned that the process generates 150 kEV radiation, an audience member (presumably a physicist) mentioned that this was evidence of hydrogen fusion into helium. Rossi didn't confirm the hypothesis, except to say that "it made sense".
• Much of the conference was dedicated to mechanisms for creating electricity from E-Cat heat. The original E-Cat only produces hot water, which has limited use. Electricity generation from E-Cat is the Holy Grail. One speaker presented a survey of potential electrical generation methods compatible with E-Cat, and another presented a new circuit design that may convert heat directly into electricity, with high efficiency.
• The keynote talk, by Rossi, described the recent development of the Hot Cat, which produces energy at a much higher temperature, around 1000 degrees C, which makes electrical conversion much more promising.

European and Australian entrepreneurs -- and some big companies -- are taking the E-Cat cold fusion energy system very seriously. Americans, not so much. There were only half a dozen Americans at the conference, and three of them were me, the net journalist who wrote the article above, and a consultant who now lives in France by way of Australia. A fourth may have been Rossi himself, who lives in Miami.

To quote the late Davy Jones, "I'm a Believer."

[Jonty30]

Did Kevmo get banned? :)

[AZLiberty]

It’s 1 am here in Switzerland now, so I won’t be posting again for a while, but I’ll respond to comments and/or questions tomorrow.

[AZLiberty]

That didn’t come up at the conference.

[Jonty30]

It’s just odd to see a cold fusion article that hasn’t been posted by Kevmo.

[PapaBear3625]

Andrea Rossi read and explained the third party tests that were done in July

Cool! Who was the third party who conducted the tests, and where did they post their findings?

Please let us know when either the military customer openly issues a statement about their findings, or we have a commercial customer openly identifying themselves and presenting their findings.

[Yashcheritsiy]

Third parties just help elect Obama!!1!!1eleventy!!1!

Oh wait...

[ApplegateRanch]

bookmark for later at home.

[mikrofon]

[BallandPowder]

Powder..patch..ball FIRE!

I’m so excited!

[Triple]

A new circuit is NOT needed to convert heat into electricity.

The stirling engine has been around for a long time, and would be perfectly suited for this application. (if it was real...)

[Nuc 1.1]

Fission creates 100MEV of energy per event. Per the BE/A curve fusion of light atoms will give more energy than fission reactions so I wonder what we are seeing at 150KEV. Or perhaps this is a fraction of the energy produced as the energy from recoil nuclei provides a fraction of the fission energy. Are we on the cusp of a break through?

[Jonty30]

I am a believer in LENR, but I don’t know if Rossi is the man.

When I see the technology start to become commercialized, I’ll be a believer. Until then, I consider it interesting.

[Lx]

I suggest people go to pesn.com before they get out their check books to invest in Rossi.

It is nice to AZ Liberty's report, I don't him from Adam but Sterling Allan of PESN believes anything literally and is quite the kook.

[Errant]

Whirlpool 50-Gallon 6-Year Electric Water Heater

$267.00

[BallandPowder]

Powder..patch..ball FIRE!

Stirling engine requires mechanical conversion from heat, heat directly to electricity is the brass ring.

[djf]

I’m starting to wonder about my water heater... 50 gallon, 5 year warranty, got installed about 1998.

But I’ve been living alone for almost all of that, so it doesn’t get much of stress, I mean it’s not pumping alot of hot water doing tons of showers, etc.

still...

[Errant]

I have two of 'em. One is 150 gallon... lol I turn mine off until they're needed. It'll saves a bunch on electric usage. It's as easy as going to your breaker box and flipping the circuit breaker.

Some folks have their hot water heaters on a timer but not me, I can have hot in 30 minutes or less when I need it, and it will stay hot of a couple of days. The dishwasher and washing machine all have their own heating elements so they take care of their own needs.

I'm talking electric hot water heaters here. There was a time when electric was more expensive than propane but not anymore. Of Course, NG is the way to go as far as costs except for solar or an outside wood-fired boiler. I don't have NG. If I did, a vehicle conversion and filling station would be on my to do list and 1040 for this tax year. :)

[dangus]

Rossi left the Republican Party? (Oh, not that Rossi. Not that kind of party.)

(Special NYer joke: Or was he hoping for a “fusion party”*?)

(*NY allows candidates to run on several party lines, allowing 3rd parties to stay alive by supporting major-party candidates whose beliefs are close enough to their own; if enough people vote for Romney on the Conservative Party line, for instance, the conservatives maintain ballot access, and Romney gets Republican AND conservative votes.)

[Nuc 1.1]

I agree. Interesting. I hope it works.

[SuziQ]

Cold fusion ping!

[Fractal Trader]

ping

[AZLiberty]

The third party was Fabio Penon, a "nuclear engineering specialist." The entire report is available here. To start, they created an E-Cat reactor out of concentric cylinders -- basically one stainless steel can inside another, both open at one end. They put the nickel and hydrogen sources between the cans and sealed up the gap between the two cans, leaving a donut hole in the center of the smaller can. They fired up the E-Cat and used an IR camera focused on the donut hole to record the temperature.

In Rossi's talk he went into every detail of the paper, in English. Because of the multinational crowd, at short intervals we were treated to translations in both Italian (from Rossi) and German (from another translator). This made the presentation take over three hours, starting at 8 pm on Saturday night.

[AZLiberty]

If you believe Rossi's results, we are at the equivalent of about 1959 in this History of Nuclear Energy. There's a military reactor in operation, and a commercial installation due before the end of the year. It's beyond a conceptual breakthrough, and on the cusp of a commercial breakthrough.

The technology is safe, reliable, fully scalable, reasonably cheap to install currently (about $1.5/installed watt), comparable to solar in operating costs (fuel costs are practically zero), and compatible with mass manufacturing. It requires no radioactive materials, generates no radioactive waste, exports no nuclear radiation, and exports EMR comparable to a microwave oven (for a 10 KW reactor).

[AZLiberty]

The Stirling engine -- as well as the Tesla turbine were hot topics at the conference. Nicolas Chauvin, the entrepreneurial promoter of the LENR Car, was also at the conference, privately discussing various options for the using E-Cat in a car. The most likely option is something like a Tesla brand car, using the LENR to charge the batteries.

I'm not sure LENR and cars are quite compatible yet, but it will come. Right now, an E-Cat device runs continuously, always producing 10 KW of heat. With direct connection to a Stirling engine at 40% efficiency, this would provide less than 6 horsepower. Chevy Volt owners might be happy with this, but there aren't many of those. But continuously charging a battery at 4 KW would be very effective, and any excess power could presumably be uploaded to the grid when you're docked.

I'm concerned about the heat generation. Having a 6-10 KW continous heater in my garage in the summer in Phoenix would not be helpful, so an additional cost would be an air conditioner for the garage, presumably powered by the E-Cat output. Now it gets too complicated.

[AZLiberty]

I forgot to mention that, unlike solar, E-Cat runs 24/7.

[Jonty30]

If they can commercialize it, I will be impressed.

[AZLiberty]

E-Cat has commercialized LENR, following a very cautious path. Since the first version only supplies hot water, they're marketing it for building heating purposes. Since industrial safety certification is far easier than certification for home use, they're only pursuing industrial applications at the present time. The next version, the Hot Cat, will productized over the next few months, opening up a larger range of industrial applications. When a lot of experience has been accumulated, they will create products for home use and pursue home-use certification.

[PapaBear3625]

I took a look at his report. He talks a lot about the temperatures reached, but I didn’t see anything about net energy output.

[Lx]

What happened with the deal he had with Home Depot to supply homes with the original E-cat?

[Johnny B.]

For what it's worth, a group of investors who were planning on giving Rossi $11 million (65 million Kroner) have halted their investment because their tests showed no excess energy. English translation here: Nyteknik.se

[Johnny B.]

For all the Rossi "Razzle-Dazzle", all that really came out of this dog & pony show was:

• Rossi claims to have some sort of partial safety certification from SGS. No evidence of such was presented. Note that Rossi has been caught several times lying about his association with other, credible organizations (University of Bologna and National Instruments are the prime examples).
• Rossi had a researcher determine that there was no radiation coming from his device. Note that his claim about how it works requires that it produce gamma rays. Rossi is currently trying to convince his investors that the E-Cat is "safe", but he is contradicting his own claims about how it works to do so.
• Although Rossi claims that his "Megawatt E-Cat" is available for purchase, there have been several reports from people trying to buy one that Rossi isn't willing to sell them one.

It's becoming more and more clear that this is nothing but an investor scam.

[Lx]

Interesting that the writer of that article is Mats Lewan, the guy who has been uncritically publishing stories on Rossi for well over a year.

Rossi no longer believes that the fundamental mechanism is transmutation of nickel into copper. Although small amounts of copper have been found, Rossi now believes that that may be a side-effect of the gamma rays that are produced in the reaction. After Rossi mentioned that the process generates 150 kEV radiation, an audience member (presumably a physicist) mentioned that this was evidence of hydrogen fusion into helium. Rossi didn't confirm the hypothesis, except to say that "it made sense".

Maybe it makes sense because when they analyzed his 'ash' from a running E-cat, the elements were in the same proportions as in nature.

E-Cat has commercialized LENR, following a very cautious path. Since the first version only supplies hot water, they're marketing it for building heating purposes. Since industrial safety certification is far easier than certification for home use, they're only pursuing industrial applications at the present time. The next version, the Hot Cat, will productized over the next few months, opening up a larger range of industrial applications. When a lot of experience has been accumulated, they will create products for home use and pursue home-use certification.

Rossi was bragging about having two factories manufacturing the original E-cat to be sold to home users via Home Depot I think, what happened to that? If you follow Rossi's history, he's got factories all over the place. He said he had one of his factories had been heated by an E-cat for two years, where's the factory and that E-cat?

A satisfied military customer has been running a 1-megawatt E-Cat for months, with continuous production of heat energy and no failures. The 1-megawatt E-Cat has been safety certified for industrial applications.

Is this the infamous Big Blue Box that was supposedly working and delivered last year yet when people go to his 'lab', there it sits. I wonder if it's still there.

While I think LENR or LANR is real, I don't think Rossi is.

I pinged Kevmo and WW to get their input. It is odd to see a Rossi article not posted by Kevmo.

[Johnny B.]

Sterling Allan of PESN believes anything literally and is quite the kook.

Actually, even Sterling Allan has distanced himself from Rossi. After Rossi was caught telling Florida authorities that there was no E-Cat factory, and that the E-Cat didn't generate any radiation (the opposite of what he was publicly stating at the time), Allan decided that Rossi was too untrustworthy to continue supporting.

[Lx]

Now that is funny, Sterling Allen who will believe anything, no longer believes Rossi.

Reminds of a speech I saw of Hitler on the Hitler Channel and he actually said, “Have I ever told a lie in my life?”

[Moonman62]

For what it's worth, a group of investors who were planning on giving Rossi $11 million (65 million Kroner) have halted their investment because their tests showed no excess energy. English translation here: Nyteknik.se

That's a much better article than the hyped up blog post that anchors this thread.

[Moonman62]

Interesting that the writer of that article is Mats Lewan, the guy who has been uncritically publishing stories on Rossi for well over a year.

I wonder if Mats was ever on Rossi's payroll, and now the checks are bouncing.

[Moonman62]

The third party was Fabio Penon, a "nuclear engineering specialist."

Other than a bunch of posts on Ecat blogs I can't find any information on Fabio Penon.

[surfer]

Thanks, very interesting to say the least. Been following this for quite some time - nice to see some third party access and testing going on.

[Lx]

Is his BBB still in his ‘lab’???

I’ve got a better electronics lab than he has and I’m just a working stiff.

Working on a supposed nuclear power source and what does he have? A cheap multimeter. They even mentioned it in the article above. I guess he couldn’t afford a true RMS meter like a Fluke 87.

[Moonman62]

What happened to the fancy measuring equipment that was supposed to be coming from National Instruments?

I love how this former jail rat has solved the world's energy problems yet he doesn't know how it works.

[Johnny B.]

National Instruments issued a couple of emails stating that they had never gotten beyond the standard "pre-sale" phase with Rossi, and they specifically denied ever working on a controller for him.

That was just another Rossi lie.

[Wonder Warthog]

"I pinged Kevmo and WW to get their input. It is odd to see a Rossi article not posted by Kevmo."

I think Kevmo has abandoned FR in disgust over blatant stalking and the failure of the moderators to do something about that. I'm not too happy about the litany of lies and distortions that go on on these threads either.

Before that, both he and I decided to no longer post about Rossi, as the mere mention of the name brings even more knee-jerk nuts out of the woodwork than plain vanilla articles about cold fusion, as evidenced on this thread.

Despite the constant drumbeat to the contrary, neither of us gives a flying **** about Rossi. But we are interested in the broader area of LENR.

My opinion....Rossi.....as usual, inconclusive. Those whose minds (such as they have) are made up ahead of time will, as usual, do their "it's a scam" shouting.

My opinion....LENR as a whole....too much good news to keep up with, from NIWEEK to ICCF17 and many other venues. Only the most rabid anti-LENR types will continue to deny the reality of the science.

But those sorts will still be denying said reality when 90+% of civilization is powered by LENR reactors. After all, there are still people claiming the earth is flat.

I am currently in a major "work crunch" and simply don't have the time to do much posting/responding. Even this short note is taking up more time than I really have to spare. And as things are going, that "free time" isn't going to get larger any time soon. As typically happens, two or three long-term projects are "coming together" at the same time, despite having been started at widely varying points.

[Lx]

I always look at it this way. It’s always good to be too busy than not busy enough. I used to tell my staff that if they have nothing to do, I will find them something to do and it won’t be something they want to do.

I read in a management book years ago that you should spend 80% on your current assignments and 20% looking for the next ones. I was always on the lookout for the best projects and usually got them.

You’re right about Rossi, he’s a lightning rod but it was an E-cat conference.

Kevmo’s gone??? Was he banned or just left??? He gave as good as he got so I don’t feel too bad about him although who is going to post LENR, LANR info?

I see Defkalion has produced nothing but press releases. Here’s an interesting page from them:
http://www.defkalion-energy.com/files/HyperionSpecsSheetNovember2011.pdf

Was it Celani (sp??) that had the reactor with the wires? That sounded like it was going somewhere.

[Wonder Warthog]

"I read in a management book years ago that you should spend 80% on your current assignments and 20% looking for the next ones. I was always on the lookout for the best projects and usually got them."

My ratio is more like 70/30 typically.

"You’re right about Rossi, he’s a lightning rod but it was an E-cat conference."

Yes. I typically wait a couple of weeks after a conference is over. It takes about that much time for all the papers/slides/translations to make it to the web.

"Kevmo’s gone??? Was he banned or just left??? He gave as good as he got so I don’t feel too bad about him although who is going to post LENR, LANR info?"

AFAIK, he was not banned, just disgusted with the constant incivility on the part of certain skeptopaths and the failure of the mods to enforce their own rules fairly. I wasn't all that happy either.

"I see Defkalion has produced nothing but press releases. Here’s an interesting page from them: http://www.defkalion-energy.com/files/HyperionSpecsSheetNovember2011.pdf

Defkalion is another case of "WTF is going on". One "good thing" about their move to Canada....their new Canadian site is within an easy day's drive from where I live.....

"Was it Celani (sp??) that had the reactor with the wires? That sounded like it was going somewhere."

It was (and is), but both the Nanor and the Brillouin systems are also showing major promise. All three sets of researchers are much more "open" and "serious science" than Rossi. I really want to see Celani's official "peer-reviewed" publication on current work.

[Nuc 1.1]

If true it will put me out of business. But when one door closes another opens... I am hopeful .