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Mitt Romney's Ohio Problem [Ohio A Must-Win for Romney or It's All Over!]
ABC OTUS News ^ | September 09, 2012 | Byron Wolf

Posted on 09/09/2012 9:44:24 PM PDT by Steelfish

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To: goldstategop

“Weak” candidates don’t raise over $100 million in a month.


51 posted on 09/09/2012 11:30:44 PM PDT by dupree
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To: entropy12
I considered all of above already. A good conservative candidate would be out there selling the concept of individualism and independence and bringing those from the other side to believe in the private sector.

Like it was said at Romney's convention...

"Real leaders do not follow polls. Real leaders change polls."

Well, it's time Romney make his and prove his worth as the nominee and change these polls.

He should be ahead by double digits by now. Voter fraud will eat up some of those numbers that appear to be on his side.

52 posted on 09/09/2012 11:34:15 PM PDT by tsowellfan (Voting for Obama/Biden is like purposely swallowing two tapeworms)
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To: LongWayHome
Lol, did I mention you by name ?

No, but you quoted me and tagged leftist to that quote.

"Romney should be ahead by at least 10% points by now"

That's not leftist thinking. That's reality.

As Chris Christie said: "Real leaders do not follow polls. Real leaders change polls."

It's time Romney start changing the polls.

53 posted on 09/09/2012 11:37:09 PM PDT by tsowellfan (Voting for Obama/Biden is like purposely swallowing two tapeworms)
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To: goldstategop

Who other than Romney would have a real chance to win this year? Santorum? Newt? Please


54 posted on 09/09/2012 11:46:34 PM PDT by muwarriors92
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To: JediJones

Could you explain how Romney has a “charisma deficit?” Bob Dole, John McCain, Newt Gingrich=”charisma deficit.” I don’t see it with Mitt.

I refuse to believe all of the liberal pundits just because they say things over and over again. Especially when they say Obama is so “likable” and never mention why he is so “likable.” What is so “likable” about this guy?


55 posted on 09/09/2012 11:47:38 PM PDT by dupree
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To: tsowellfan

No....I did not quote you in any direct manner....I observed that this “10 point” quote was showing up all over FR tonight as well as all over the internet. That’s not an accident. It shows the classic dis-information planting that is often done by political groups when they want to get a message out.


56 posted on 09/09/2012 11:49:12 PM PDT by LongWayHome
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To: LongWayHome

Let me teach you something.

It would not be to the benefit of the democrats or “leftists” to be publically stating that “Romney should be ahead by 10% by now”

What are they saying about their own candidate with such a statement?

Imagine back in 2004 if republicans would be posting “John Kerry should be ahead by 10 points by now” What would we be saying about our own candidate by such a statement?

I have no idea how you can tag anyone a leftist or an Obama supporter by claiming that their candidate should be down 10 points by now. It does not make sense.

Here’s my philosophy:

I question the motives of anyone who claims to be a Romney supporter yet implies Romney’s really ahead, not to worry. Heck, he’s so far ahead he does not even need your vote so just don’t believe those polls showing Obama ahead. He’s losing BIG TIME.

Okay, so I guess their message is “no need to work harder”.

Better to play it safe and believe all polls that have Obama ahead. The worst that could happen is Romney will win in a 49 state landslide.

I would hate to think of what the results would be for those claiming that all polls showing Romney behind are lies. Move on, nothing to see here. Maybe an Obama landslide?

Play it safe. Use the data to benefit our side. Does that make sense to you?

I’m not taking any vacations anytime soon from this election. But it’s time those telling us Romney’s got it in the bag go and take one. They disturb me.

We did not win in 2004 or 2010 using that “nothing to see here” philosophy. We took all bad news seriously.


57 posted on 09/09/2012 11:55:58 PM PDT by tsowellfan (Voting for Obama/Biden is like purposely swallowing two tapeworms)
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To: tsowellfan

I’ve been in the political game a long, long time at the state & federal level. I’ve worked with GOP governors & U.S. Senators. When I see a “talking point”used by several different posters on the same evening on a forum such as this & then see that same “talking point” being used on other forums all over the internet then it’s safe to say something is up. I’m not the only person on FR this evening who senses a dis-information effort in the works comcernng some of the postings we are seeing here in the last day or two.


58 posted on 09/10/2012 12:05:36 AM PDT by LongWayHome
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To: LongWayHome

So, basically we should flood Twitter by stating that “Romney should be down 10& points by now” and that will gain him votes.

I don’t buy it.

Please explain how that works


59 posted on 09/10/2012 12:10:00 AM PDT by tsowellfan (Voting for Obama/Biden is like purposely swallowing two tapeworms)
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To: LongWayHome
I’m not the only person on FR this evening who senses a dis-information effort in the works comcernng some of the postings we are seeing here in the last day or two.

Did you sense the fact that every comment trying to debunk the above polling data in the article never posted a poll which debunks that article but instead all they posted was data from 1988 and 2004?

If this poll is wrong (and I have no idea that it is or is not) you would think the first thing posted in the comments would be polling data from somewhere else that proves the numbers to be wrong.

Did you sense that lack of rebuttal? I noticed it quickly. And you know what? These people are not stupid. I've been in Free Republic long enough to know that if there was a poll out there (even a cBS or MSNBC poll) proving this one above to be wrong, THEY WOULD HAVE POSTED IT before comment #3.

But no, instead they take us to a 1988 poll Dukakis vs Bush1

C'mon now! It may not be dis-information but sure is spin.

60 posted on 09/10/2012 12:16:30 AM PDT by tsowellfan (Voting for Obama/Biden is like purposely swallowing two tapeworms)
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To: tsowellfan

Almost right.

WE — conservatives — need to change these polls.

If we want to win against a horde that stands for everything we do not, then it is time to get out there and do what we do best.

No longer is it about the candidate’s imperfections, but how effective and motivated the base is.

All these polls tell me is that we’re not doing enough. Romney has to worry about getting moderate Dems. We’re still stuck arguing idealogy amongst ourselves.


61 posted on 09/10/2012 12:18:01 AM PDT by sf4dubya (I rebelled against my parents by becoming a conservative. REJECT THEN STOP SOCIALISM THIS NOV!)
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To: tsowellfan

All I’ve done this evening is comment on a tactic I’ve seen many times where posters seem tp pop up in the same time sequence all saying just about the same thing. I’m not commenting on if the tactic makes political sense, or is smart politics....just that I’m seeing it, and I understand what it is. For all I know you just happened to use that “10 percent” figure off the top of your head, and that’s fine. But I have no doubt that there is an effort being made to depress he Romney voters on the internet. And that this effort is being run by some branch of the DNC.


62 posted on 09/10/2012 12:20:13 AM PDT by LongWayHome
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To: tsowellfan
You got nothing.

Yet you refuse to retract.

Wow. You are, indeed, a baldfaced liar.

63 posted on 09/10/2012 12:23:29 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Communist Party = Democrats. Socialist Party = Republicans. WE NEED A CAPITALIST FREEDOM PARTY!)
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To: tsowellfan

Baldfaced liar, why would anyone believe you about anything else? You refuse to back up or retract a simple claim.


64 posted on 09/10/2012 12:25:32 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Communist Party = Democrats. Socialist Party = Republicans. WE NEED A CAPITALIST FREEDOM PARTY!)
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To: tsowellfan

You are a baldfaced liar. Nothing you say is meaningful, and probably is inaccurate.


65 posted on 09/10/2012 12:26:37 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Communist Party = Democrats. Socialist Party = Republicans. WE NEED A CAPITALIST FREEDOM PARTY!)
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To: sf4dubya
WE — conservatives — need to change these polls.

To a certain extent yes. The Romney supporters need to be out there moving people to Romney's side. Instead, (at least in this thread) they've been calling conservatives and would be Romney voters LIARS and frauds (sort of like Obama/Biden did to their candidate).

I had a problem with some of the Palinbots insulting would be Palin supporters and throwing other Palin supporters off the Palin boat for simple disagreements and I see the same thing starting within the Romney supporters.

It's the candidate that needs to excite his base and brings others in.

Ultimately this is Romney's election to win or lose and the buck stops at him. If he loses, it's his defeat and his alone.

66 posted on 09/10/2012 12:28:13 AM PDT by tsowellfan (Voting for Obama/Biden is like purposely swallowing two tapeworms)
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To: tsowellfan

I see you posting multiple times in this thread, so I am answering every one of them. You are a baldfaced liar that makes a huge claim that only you seem to be privy to, but you will not back up your claim. BALDFACED LIAR.


67 posted on 09/10/2012 12:28:24 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Communist Party = Democrats. Socialist Party = Republicans. WE NEED A CAPITALIST FREEDOM PARTY!)
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To: tsowellfan

LIAR. You make a claim, a huge one, and you will not back it up. You are a seminar poster and a baldfaced liar.


68 posted on 09/10/2012 12:29:27 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Communist Party = Democrats. Socialist Party = Republicans. WE NEED A CAPITALIST FREEDOM PARTY!)
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To: tsowellfan
Thank God FreeRepublic has a tool which allows users to read back into the history of other “leftist” Freepers. I suggest you learn how to use it.

Good point. Let's try it.

Republican internals have Obama ahead by 5% points -- tsowellfan

Hey wait. You refuse to back up this claim, or retract it.

Wow, that means you are a baldfaced liar!

69 posted on 09/10/2012 12:35:25 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Communist Party = Democrats. Socialist Party = Republicans. WE NEED A CAPITALIST FREEDOM PARTY!)
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To: chopperjc
Okay, so in other words, a well-known Obama shill says something, and we're just supposed to accept it.

Nope. Liars lie.

70 posted on 09/10/2012 12:37:17 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Communist Party = Democrats. Socialist Party = Republicans. WE NEED A CAPITALIST FREEDOM PARTY!)
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To: LongWayHome
All I’ve done this evening is comment on a tactic I’ve seen many times where posters seem tp pop up in the same time sequence all saying just about the same thing.

A little more than a week ago I saw multiple posts from different sources that showed Romney up.

It never came to my mind that this could be pure disinformation from the Romney people. It never once entered my mind. My assumption was that it was recently released polling date and it was just trending.

There's a difference between issues that trend and an organized operation of disinformation.

Tornadoes in NYC trended last night. It never entered my mind that it was just an organized false story.

71 posted on 09/10/2012 12:42:44 AM PDT by tsowellfan (Voting for Obama/Biden is like purposely swallowing two tapeworms)
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To: tsowellfan

My point has never been who is up or down in the polls. My point is this: when I see several posters here, and at other sites using the same “talking points” then I suspect a political plant. Simple as that.


72 posted on 09/10/2012 12:49:43 AM PDT by LongWayHome
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To: LongWayHome
Well, it's a fact (according to all of the polls I've seen) that Romney is down and Obama is up. When this happens, it's reported, when it's reported it's posted. It's called a "trending story" not a "talking point".

I'm surprised you did not put that "talking point" idea to sleep after realizing that there would be no logical benefit for the opposition to come out with a mantra that basically says: "my candidate should not be winning this election."

Not even Alex Jones would touch that.

73 posted on 09/10/2012 12:57:23 AM PDT by tsowellfan (Voting for Obama/Biden is like purposely swallowing two tapeworms)
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To: tsowellfan

I don’t care if it’s a fact or not. I did not address this issue. I questioned language & talking points that show there are “seminar posters” working on this & other conservative sites trying to depress GOP voting. I used to do this stuff for a living so it’s easy to pick up on it. It got you going that’s for sure....


74 posted on 09/10/2012 1:04:23 AM PDT by LongWayHome
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To: boop

“Also notice that Obama is running ads in states that he won handily in 2008, like WA state.”

Obama is also running ads in CA. He’s worried about CA? That speaks louder than any polls.


75 posted on 09/10/2012 1:10:33 AM PDT by 1035rep (Obama: "I killed Bin Laden" ...you didn't do that. Somebody else made that happen.)
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To: 1035rep; boop
Obama is also running ads in CA. He’s worried about CA? That speaks louder than any polls.

I think exciting times are ahead.

Hold on tight!

76 posted on 09/10/2012 1:14:17 AM PDT by thecodont
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To: snarkytart

“Whew boy, the media has a theme the over last 24 hours, don’t they?”

You know, not for nothing, but for me today’s “all is lost” theme was started by Hinderaker over at powerline.

Maybe he’s on a journo-list?

Ohio could be a problem, though, I think that part at least may be real.


77 posted on 09/10/2012 1:33:02 AM PDT by jocon307
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To: sf4dubya

“All these polls tell me is that we’re not doing enough. Romney has to worry about getting moderate Dems. We’re still stuck arguing idealogy amongst ourselves.”

And the crux of the problem is this. Romney is so concerned about the moderate turnout that he doesn’t care at all for the base.

We should expect to see a repudiation of the ‘principles’ that he claimed to support in a bid to salvage his campaign.

The solution is not to run Romney if you want to win an election. The man lost vs McCain. The man nearly lost to Santorum. Are we surprised when his primary difficulties carry on over to the general election? He’s never been electable, he’s always struggled to win over the electorate. He is the nominee who has won the most primary states without becoming president on either party, by far.


78 posted on 09/10/2012 1:52:33 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas, Texas, Whisky)
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To: JCBreckenridge

So who should we have picked?If running Romney is bad cuz he lost to McCain how could any of the other GOP candidates be better? They all lost to Romney. Btw Romney was never close to losing to Santorum

Answer this: Kerry was a horrible candidate yet he barely lost in an economy with 3% growth, 5% unemoyment and stronger job creation than now, why? The answer isn’t Romney is lousy. Answer is America is now center left. 2010 might have been a fluke election like 1946 or 1982. We’ll soon find out.

Should Romney lose there will be serious introspection on the part of conservatives about what has happened to the American character.


79 posted on 09/10/2012 3:02:35 AM PDT by Bobloblaw2012
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To: JCBreckenridge

Skittles and bunnies.

You should ALREADY be motivated to get Obama out if you are posting on this website.

Now your job is to get others motivated.

Romney’s job is to show contrast between himself and Obama, and convince the undecided to decide for him, not give you witty one liners about Obama’s birth certificate (which he already did anyway).

I hope you soon realize that this is a ground war between conservatism and liberalism.


80 posted on 09/10/2012 3:37:46 AM PDT by sf4dubya (I rebelled against my parents by becoming a conservative. REJECT THEN STOP SOCIALISM THIS NOV!)
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To: Steelfish
B.S.

SCROTUS does not stand a chance for re-election and he knows it.

81 posted on 09/10/2012 3:40:59 AM PDT by TangoLimaSierra (To the left the truth looks like Right-Wing extremism.)
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To: tsowellfan
I'm no leftist.

Thanks for telling us. I believe the accusation wasn't leftist, but liar. Of course the two are actually synonymous. Now how did you get hold of the GOP internals on Ohio?

82 posted on 09/10/2012 3:42:25 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: JCBreckenridge; All

JCBreckenridge
Since Mar 10, 2012

Virgil Goode supporter. First post in August; majority anti-Romney.


83 posted on 09/10/2012 3:46:31 AM PDT by sf4dubya (I rebelled against my parents by becoming a conservative. REJECT THEN STOP SOCIALISM THIS NOV!)
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To: Republican Wildcat

President Bush only won because he took Ohio BARELY. I don’t see how you think President Bush would have won without Ohio. Kerry was WAY too close to the Presidency.


84 posted on 09/10/2012 3:51:15 AM PDT by napscoordinator (Paul Ryan/Rick Santorum 2012....That would be the best scenario ever.)
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To: tsowellfan; All
With Obama as bad as he is Mitt Romney should be so far ahead that even the most leftist polls in America should be polling Romney with a double digit lead EVERYWHERE.

It’s time for Romney to seriously start thinking about making some staff changes.

I'm glad the Chicken Littles aren't running the Romney campaign. There would be so many fits and starts it would've stalled and committed suicide before it got out of the gate.

You keep trying to pretend this is a normal election. Obama is not John F Kerry. He is not John McCain. How can you dismiss the 'historical nature' of his presidency so easily? It is huge factor.

The only way to move voters away from that is to convince them they aren't wrong, they aren't bad people, they aren't hateful, they aren't racists for letting Obama go because he's not gotten the job done. There is no other way. None. This is exactly why Obama's party hacks and shills keep the race card front and center.

Romney is running the only strategy that makes sense, that has a chance under these circumstances. He's being smart, not reckless as far too many here would prefer he be!

I've never seen so many hand wringers.

85 posted on 09/10/2012 4:06:08 AM PDT by newzjunkey (Election night is 58 days away.)
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To: tsowellfan
The second scariest part is that to debunk current polling data of a particular poll, 25 year old examples are used instead of other current polling data actually showing Mitt Romney ahead.

Why don't you just throw in the towel, go on holiday, sip some tea, chop some wood, knit a sleeping cap... something, anything else, rather than mugging anyone pushing ahead to defeat Obama?

86 posted on 09/10/2012 4:09:12 AM PDT by newzjunkey (Election night is 58 days away.)
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To: entropy12; All
The only thing helping Obama is the 48 million food stamps people, teachers unions, trial lawyers, government workers unions, millions of Medicaid recipients, 25 million collecting disability, 99’ers (99 weeks of unemployment checks), free breakfast & lunches in school, rent subsidies, heat subsidies, aid to dependent children aka welfare, and 95% of blacks who are always yelling racial prejudice.

You make me puke. Your class warfare crap is as bad as Obama's. We want to free people from these programs, get them back to earning paychecks, not spit in their faces then kick them in the groin because the Obama economy has made that impossible.

Aside from the "historical nature of his candidacy," the thing helping Obama is a campaign of fear and you're making his case for him.

Why does everyone act like this election is like every other incumbent reelection? It isn't. It's the first of its kind. We can't know if people will act rationally, and throw him out based on his record, or not, because they're afraid: afraid of your contempt for those fallen on hard times, afraid of Obama's race card.

If you can't support Romney/Ryan's positive agenda, positive message, shut up. Sometimes, especially in politics, silence really is golden.

87 posted on 09/10/2012 4:18:28 AM PDT by newzjunkey (Election night is 58 days away.)
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To: newzjunkey
I happen to agree with the poster. It's encouraging that Romney is doing as well as he is with all the gimme gimme gimme groups and the way Obama has targeted them as his base and how he has essentially grown it almost exponentially in a mere three and a half years. Now he is creatively pitting women against men with “choice” as a guise of “family planning” which is obstensibly “free birth control”.
88 posted on 09/10/2012 4:24:59 AM PDT by commonguymd (New media has not replaced the MSM. It has emboldened it. twitter @commonguymd)
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To: tsowellfan

Where do you guys get and keep repeating this crap about “Republican internals? NO ONE in the party or the Romney campaign would EVER tell a reporter what their internals are. And certainly not if you were behind. So it’s either disinformation from one side or the other-—from Romney because he wants the Dems to relax or the Dems because they need their peeps to work harder. I talked to a county GOP guy last week and he said that the state and county GOP had not done any polling yet, only fundraising and ID-ing Repubs and indies.


89 posted on 09/10/2012 4:38:17 AM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually (Hendrix))
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To: goldstategop

Guess that’s what happens to the senses when you live in CA. The rest of us patriots DO have. dog in this hunt-—NOT OBAMA. The choice is clear, and none of the sanctified “conservatives” could win a primary and St. Sarah wouldn’t even run.


90 posted on 09/10/2012 4:42:03 AM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually (Hendrix))
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To: barmag25

I can tell you that I do not hang out with many Dems or “indies” but of those here in OH that I know, many have announced they will vote fro Romney, mostly women.


91 posted on 09/10/2012 4:44:10 AM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually (Hendrix))
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To: tsowellfan

What “unsecret ones?” last Ras I saw was tied. Last Ras “swing state” summary I saw-—though no details-—said R was up in “every swing state.” So, let’s see some sources.


92 posted on 09/10/2012 4:47:01 AM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually (Hendrix))
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To: tsowellfan

Ah I see. A St Sarah supporter, still bummed that HER internals showed she couldn’t even compete for the nomination. How ‘s that for “internals?”


93 posted on 09/10/2012 4:49:28 AM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually (Hendrix))
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To: JediJones

I’m on the ground in OH and can say with great confidence that Romney will do FAR better than McCain with Blu collar voters. It won’t be close, ESP in oil rich SE OH and southern OH. Great blue collar dissatisfaction with Zero. Moreover, the org here is 1000% better under Romney. Our call center made 85,000 calls in a month-—best in the NATION.


94 posted on 09/10/2012 4:54:28 AM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually (Hendrix))
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To: JediJones
You and your fellow DU trolls need to understand something. In 2008---I know because I saw the raw precinct numbers in our county---Zero got between 20-25% of REPUBLICAN votes. Yep. We didn't lose because of fraud, or because Zero turned out blacks---tho he did. Our models STILL had McCain winning if he got the Rs because the Rs turned out.

We can never again afford to lose because Rs allow a communist to come in the White House.

95 posted on 09/10/2012 4:59:43 AM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually (Hendrix))
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To: LS

I have family in Ohio and they say the talk is the same. And this is from union members. There seems to be a lot of freepers losing faith and giving up after reading bogus polls or they are DU trolls.

One thing is for certain, Obama has not done anything that will change the minds of Ohio voters since 2010. What happened in Ohio in 2010 was the Dems lost the race for Governor and lost half (5) of their house seats.

http://elections.nytimes.com/2010/results/ohio

I suspect that 2012 will be no different than 2010. I am unable to find any reason why Obama will get 51% of the vote in Ohio again like he did in 08, But I can find 23 million reason he won’t.

http://elections.nytimes.com/2008/results/states/ohio.html


96 posted on 09/10/2012 5:08:13 AM PDT by barmag25
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To: TangoLimaSierra

SCROTUS does not stand a chance for re-election and he knows it.

But early voting and vote fraud begins in a matter of days.


97 posted on 09/10/2012 5:20:29 AM PDT by IM2MAD
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To: barmag25; Perdogg
Some details from the PPP poll, showing this is not only a poll by a DEM polling organization, but specifically directed at DEMS who watched the Dem Convention (I condensed the questions for ease of posting):

"What is your opinion of ELIZABETH WARREN?" (huh???)

"What is your opinion of Martin O'Malley?" (Huh? HUH???)

"Who is more responsible for killing Osama bin Laden---Barack Obama or Mitt Romney?" (HUH? HUH? HUH??????)

"What is your opinion of Michelle Obama?"

"Did the Democratic convention make you more or less likely to vote for Democrats this year, or did it not make a difference?"

"What is your opinion of JULIAN CASTRO?" (Who????)

Actually, this is a DEVASTATING POLL for Obama: His job performance in this clearly Dem poll is only 48% approve, 48% disapprove, and he gets a five point lead in what has to be a 15% Dem oversample?

Obama should be afraid. Very afraid.

98 posted on 09/10/2012 5:57:07 AM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually (Hendrix))
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To: IM2MAD
But early voting and vote fraud begins in a matter of days.

How true.

99 posted on 09/10/2012 5:59:38 AM PDT by TangoLimaSierra (To the left the truth looks like Right-Wing extremism.)
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To: LS

I think its about time for a vanity rant about the polls. I will address it to the freepers of little faith and the trolls on here pushing these polls as fact.


100 posted on 09/10/2012 6:13:42 AM PDT by barmag25
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