Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Littoral Combat Ship to be commissioned on [Galveston] isle
Galveston Daily News ^ | September 10, 2012 | Bronwyn Turner

Posted on 09/10/2012 2:12:26 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

More photos

GALVESTON — Several thousand onlookers will crowd Pier 21 in Galveston next week, eager for a glimpse at a new breed of Navy warship and the crew that will man her.

The vessel is a football field in length and so fast designers compare her to a sports car on supersized steroids. She’ll arrive at Port 21 as the Fort Worth and gain the official title of the USS Fort Worth after commissioning ceremonies Sept. 22.

Ernie Connor, U.S. Navy retired, director of the Galveston Naval Foundation, described how events will take place during the ceremony.

“Congressman Kay Granger says, ‘Captain, man our ship and bring her to life,’” Connor said. “Sailors will man the ship, light off the various systems, and then, as the newest ship in the Navy, she and her crew stand ready to complete her role as part of the mightiest Navy in the world.”

The Galveston group is the host of the commissioning ceremony.

Granger, a Republican from Fort Worth, led a small army pushing for the name “Fort Worth” to be placed on the new ship, a maverick among more staid Navy vessels.

Where older warships similar in size carry crews of more than 200, the USS Fort Worth operates with a crew of 40, using cutting-edge technology and switchable modules to reconfigure the high-speed vessel for different missions.

[SNIP]

On a recent visit to Galveston, Cmdr. Randy Blankesnhip, commanding officer of the Fort Worth’s Blue Crew, and Lt. Cavell Thomas invited the public to tour the ship, meet the crew and ask questions.

“Our crew is really looking forward to the hospitality of the city,” Blankenship said.

[SNIP]

(Excerpt) Read more at galvestondailynews.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: galveston; nationalsecurity; navy; shipmovement; usnavy; warship
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-58 next last

1 posted on 09/10/2012 2:12:39 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: Cincinatus' Wife

The crew is probably really looking forward to seeing the sun and blue sky. Not much for going out on deck, like a surface running sub.


2 posted on 09/10/2012 2:40:53 AM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: stuartcr

The Fort Worth, a Littoral Combat Ship, undergoes Sea Trials in Marinette, Wisc.
3 posted on 09/10/2012 2:44:24 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Cincinatus' Wife

Waste of money on obsolete death traps.

We should nuke our enemies into oblivion or else leave them alone.
Why throw able-bodied young boys at our enemies as cannon fodder when we have the technology to wipe them off the map altogether?

10 nukes would have fixed Iraq and Afghanistan - but instead thousands of dead and maimed boys later, those conflicts still simmer on unabated and they are more fixated than ever on Islam.

Fighting with this junk is a total waste. Now that we have nuclear weapons and airborne delivery capabilities, what good is something like this?
This is sort of like a highly trained prize-fighter learning how to scratch or pull hair when they can deliver a knockout blow.


4 posted on 09/10/2012 2:53:51 AM PDT by Bon mots (When seconds count, the police are just minutes away...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Cincinatus' Wife
Nice lines-very stealthy...looks like Onassis's Christina O with aluminum siding.

Serving as a plank sailor on the first of a new class of ship is a real career enhancer so it goes without saying, in Obama’s Navy, that the crew have political connections...

...in other words, a third of the crew will be women, a third homosexual and a third people of color.

5 posted on 09/10/2012 2:54:32 AM PDT by Happy Rain ("Who needs Michelle? The MSM keep Obama satisfied.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Bon mots; Happy Rain; All

http://www.pressherald.com/opinion/as-president-mitt-romney-would-restore-revitalize-navy_2012-02-06.html


6 posted on 09/10/2012 3:05:09 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: Cincinatus' Wife
Look for one of these ships to “accidentally” stray into Iranian waters and be captured.
7 posted on 09/10/2012 3:33:49 AM PDT by Happy Rain ("Who needs Michelle? The MSM keep Obama satisfied.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: stuartcr

The flight deck will make a fine steel beach.


8 posted on 09/10/2012 3:37:19 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Cincinatus' Wife
using cutting-edge technology and switchable modules to reconfigure the high-speed vessel for different missions.

I was reading at one point that, in real life, the "switchable" modules, instead of being switchable in days would take weeks. Plus:

A key LCS failure identified by the OPNAV report, sources said, is its inability to effectively defend against anti-ship cruise missiles (ASCMs), a weapon carried by hundreds of small, fast-attack craft operated by virtually all potentially hostile navies.
The Navy tried for a multi-capability ship, and instead got something that can't do anything well, has low survivability if hit, and needs to be protected by "real" warships.
9 posted on 09/10/2012 3:46:41 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Charlie Daniels - Payback Time http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWwTJj_nosI)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: R. Scott

If they get to go out there while underway. Doesn’t look like that kind of ship, but if they have good skipper, yeah.


10 posted on 09/10/2012 3:51:04 AM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: Bon mots

I had a friend of mine who worked at Naval Surface Warfare Center, Dahlgren VA tell me that the LCS “was designed to sink in shallow water”.


11 posted on 09/10/2012 4:05:44 AM PDT by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: PapaBear3625
"The Navy tried for a multi-capability ship...."

I thought that was the function of Destroyers and Frigates - roughly the same size but each has different roles - missile defense and ASW (but each are sort-of able to multi-task A/R)- what makes this new class (supposedly) better than either?

12 posted on 09/10/2012 4:13:20 AM PDT by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: PapaBear3625

kinda like a k mart...

by attempting to provide you with a little bit of everything, they actually succeed at providing you with nothing...


13 posted on 09/10/2012 4:13:35 AM PDT by joe fonebone (I am the 15%)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: Chainmail

They certainly did a good job of hiding the weapons. Don’t see any with the exception of one gun. Of course, one assumes that Navy ships are still allowed to have weapons. That assumption may no longer be operative in this Politically Correct age.


14 posted on 09/10/2012 4:45:10 AM PDT by rbg81
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: Psalm 73; joe fonebone
From my link at #9:
Planners originally envisaged the LCS as a replacement for the fleet’s frigates, minesweepers and patrol boats, but the new assessments conclude the ships are not equal to today’s frigates or mine countermeasures ships, and they are too large to operate as patrol boats.
"Littoral" means the shallow waters close to shore. So the Littoral Combat Ship was supposed to bring capabilities close to the enemy shore, mainly by carrying unmanned floating and flying vehicles which it could deploy and control.

The problem is, as joe fonebone pointed out, by trying to have too many capabilities, you got an expensive, vulnerable ship that is not very good at any particular task.

15 posted on 09/10/2012 5:11:32 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Charlie Daniels - Payback Time http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWwTJj_nosI)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: PapaBear3625
I am surprised the transom is just a square wall. No boat launch ramp or well area at all, that I can detect in this photo.

I would have guessed that supporting navspecwar ops would be a key mission, but it looks like it's not.


16 posted on 09/10/2012 5:45:08 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: rbg81
They certainly did a good job of hiding the weapons. Don’t see any with the exception of one gun.

The weapons suite changes out depending on which mission package is installed. In the picture in post 5 you see three rectangular patches on the top of the ship aft. These are the weapon locations (guns and missiles). This paricular ship doesn't have any installed yet.

17 posted on 09/10/2012 5:51:19 AM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: Happy Rain
Nice lines-very stealthy...looks like Onassis's Christina O with aluminum siding.

This design was actually based on a cruise ship. It is incredibly maneuverable, very low maintenance while deployed and can be operated with minimal watchstanders (I believe 5 sailors can operate the entire ship. There will be additional people operating the mission package)

18 posted on 09/10/2012 5:54:13 AM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: PapaBear3625
I was reading at one point that, in real life, the "switchable" modules, instead of being switchable in days would take weeks.

The linked article makes many good points but it never establishes that swapping modules would take weeks. If you include the entire effort of getting the modules to the swap point (assuming forward deployed) then yes it takes weeks. But EVERYTHING takes weeks if that is your measure.

Swapping an entire package out and in can be done in about a week if all the components are on hand.

19 posted on 09/10/2012 6:08:50 AM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: PapaBear3625
"...by trying to have too many capabilities, you got an expensive, vulnerable ship that is not very good at any particular task."

Understand.
Which is probably why we don't combine carriers and subs....

(Somewhere in DC there's a bean-counter thinking: "Hmmm - but if the carrier can submerge....")

20 posted on 09/10/2012 6:09:34 AM PDT by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: Travis McGee
No boat launch ramp or well area at all, that I can detect in this photo.

Look at the picture again. The center of the transom looks like two doors leaving an opening about 1/3rd of the ship wide

21 posted on 09/10/2012 6:12:04 AM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: Psalm 73
Submarine Aircraft Carriers
22 posted on 09/10/2012 6:20:25 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Charlie Daniels - Payback Time http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWwTJj_nosI)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: John O
See this article section "Module Issues"
23 posted on 09/10/2012 6:27:51 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Charlie Daniels - Payback Time http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWwTJj_nosI)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: John O

I’d have to see it open, or a cutaway diagram etc.


24 posted on 09/10/2012 8:17:14 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: PapaBear3625

Good article, thanks for the link. Got any pics, diagrams or cutaways of the transom? I’m intersted in its specwar support capabilities.


25 posted on 09/10/2012 8:22:11 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: Psalm 73
Basically it's a DE with extra troop/cargo capabilities (everything old is new again)

The problem is some ijjitt decided to give it 50kt speed, to give it which requires 50+% more tonnage and more than double the cost. And cuts the endurance down so low it needs frequent support.

26 posted on 09/10/2012 8:27:32 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Monarchy is the one system of government where power is exercised for the good of all - Aristotle)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: Travis McGee
Got any pics, diagrams or cutaways of the transom? I’m intersted in its specwar support capabilities.

Defense Industry Daily has a big article on LCS from Aug 22, 2012 with lots of info.


27 posted on 09/10/2012 8:33:50 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Charlie Daniels - Payback Time http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWwTJj_nosI)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: John O

Ping to #27


28 posted on 09/10/2012 8:35:17 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Charlie Daniels - Payback Time http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWwTJj_nosI)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: PapaBear3625

Beat me to it.


29 posted on 09/10/2012 8:41:08 AM PDT by Lee'sGhost (Johnny Rico picked the wrong girl!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: Travis McGee
Interesting thesis from Naval Postgraduate School about using LCS as a tender for Submarine Unmanned Undersea Vehicles.
30 posted on 09/10/2012 8:50:59 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Charlie Daniels - Payback Time http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWwTJj_nosI)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: PapaBear3625; Travis McGee
The drawing in Post #27 does not look like it depicts the same ship as the photographs in OP, #3, and #16.

Or maybe I'm blind.

31 posted on 09/10/2012 8:54:02 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 27 | View Replies]

To: Travis McGee
I’d have to see it open, or a cutaway diagram etc. ,

Some people!?

Actually the specwar mission is the only one the design makes sense for - hold well offshore, then dash in under cover of darkness, deploy spectroop boats, exit. But the cost/ship got so high they started to look for other missions, to which it is not suited.

32 posted on 09/10/2012 9:00:32 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Monarchy is the one system of government where power is exercised for the good of all - Aristotle)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: ArrogantBustard
There's two different competing designs for LCS, The USS Independence from General Dynamics:

and the USS Freedom from Lockheed:


33 posted on 09/10/2012 9:19:56 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Charlie Daniels - Payback Time http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWwTJj_nosI)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]

To: PapaBear3625
Thanks ...

So, the picture does depict a different ship.

Dang ....

I spent some time looking for a cutaway drawing of the FREEDOM class LCS, and came up empty-handed. Some pics of buxom babes in wedding dresses (not sure how bing got on to that ...) but not what I was looking for. Like Lockheed doesn't want anybody to know what's inside.

34 posted on 09/10/2012 9:34:48 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 33 | View Replies]

To: PapaBear3625
See this article section "Module Issues"

Same article that was referrd to in post 9. they are talking the logistics of getting the modules to the ship. NOT the swapping of those modules. Everything takes weeks to get to the ship when it's forward deployed

35 posted on 09/10/2012 10:10:24 AM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: Oztrich Boy
It's not nearly as daring or cutting edge as other developments around the world, such as the Norwegian "Skjold" class PBs, composite SES boats.

http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/skjold/

36 posted on 09/10/2012 10:10:48 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: ArrogantBustard

Try searching for: “littoral combat ship” “USS Freedom”


37 posted on 09/10/2012 10:15:06 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Charlie Daniels - Payback Time http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWwTJj_nosI)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 34 | View Replies]

To: Oztrich Boy

My next novel is set between Ireland and Morocco with a sea jihad theme. An ex-Norwegian "Storm Class" PB will feature in a starring role. Triple turbo diesels, top speed around 30 knots (today), clear off the Penguin missile cannisters on the aft deck to support large RIBs (or RHIBs if you prefer) for special operations. A modern 76 or 57mm gun up front gives it a very lethal and accurate punch, for an old "milsurp" vessel.

38 posted on 09/10/2012 10:22:45 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: PapaBear3625

Finally!

39 posted on 09/10/2012 10:41:31 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 37 | View Replies]

To: Travis McGee
Good article, thanks for the link. Got any pics, diagrams or cutaways of the transom? I’m intersted in its specwar support capabilities.

It can launch an 11 Meter RIB as well as a selection of submersibles

40 posted on 09/10/2012 10:47:07 AM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: ArrogantBustard; John O

Great pic at 39. Love to see how the transom converts to a ramp and integrates to the overhead interior crane system. It says it can do underway launch and recovery, so the ramp must lower into the water.


41 posted on 09/10/2012 11:16:16 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 39 | View Replies]

To: Cincinatus' Wife
The LCS design sacrificed everything for speed (and no one knows why). LCS-1 class is overweight since its aluminum construction was changed to steel and there's no reserve buoyancy. LCS-2 class is a trimaran and of aluminum construction that has good reserve buoyancy.

Both classes are under armed, crews are too small, and of doubtful use in a fight. To survive, they must never leave the battle group protective ‘bubble’. The long service FFG-7 class frigates are going away without replacement and the LCS is a ‘swoose’ design — half swan and half goose that cannot do either job well.

42 posted on 09/10/2012 12:08:21 PM PDT by MasterGunner01
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: John O

“I believe 5 sailors can operate the entire ship.”

Maybe the Navy will outsource those 5 jobs to a low-cost country like...China...to help reduce costs. Hell, that’s what all “American companies” are doing these days.


43 posted on 09/10/2012 12:35:07 PM PDT by Towed_Jumper (I need a new tagline...please help.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: PapaBear3625

Wrong ship. That’s the competitor. It’s a Freedom class, not an Independence class.

And yes, the navy built two incompatible designs for the same mission. Double your costs - it’s just taxpayer money to buy votes for incumbent politicians.


44 posted on 09/10/2012 6:00:12 PM PDT by PAR35
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 27 | View Replies]

To: MasterGunner01

Your comments are right on target IMHO.


45 posted on 09/11/2012 5:37:19 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 42 | View Replies]

To: PapaBear3625
bkmk. :-)

46 posted on 09/11/2012 5:51:31 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (WA DC E$tabli$hment; DNC/RNC/Unionists...Brazilian saying: "$@me Old $hit; w/ different flie$" :^)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 27 | View Replies]

To: Travis McGee

It looks to me that the center of the stern has large hinges both port and starboard of the centerline. I would guess saloon style doors with a ramp ready to come out.

Your thoughts? Did you see that?


47 posted on 09/11/2012 6:27:25 AM PDT by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: Travis McGee; ArrogantBustard; John O

Some more articles, with pics, relating to the USS Freedom transom:

http://militarytimes.com/blogs/scoopdeck/2010/02/16/freedoms-water-wings/

From before the butt cheeks were added (showing side hatch open)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/goatlockerguns/4102693377/

With the butt-cheeks added
http://www.flickr.com/photos/rimpac2010/4821439069/

Googling for “USS Freedom” stern ramp gets some nice images
Stern ramp open
http://www.flickr.com/photos/skyliner72/3613426579/

Discussion of stern ramp
http://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org/archive/2010/March/Pages/LittoralCombatShip.aspx


48 posted on 09/11/2012 6:56:45 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Charlie Daniels - Payback Time http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWwTJj_nosI)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 41 | View Replies]

To: Triple

Yeah, I agree, if I trust my eyes to extrapolate those marks. It’s logical, what else would they do? Ramp comes out with rollers built for a particular large RIB like an 11m, draws it into the hull and integrages with the the overhead rail crane to store it in a handy spot.


49 posted on 09/11/2012 11:12:57 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 47 | View Replies]

To: PapaBear3625; ArrogantBustard; John O; Triple

Great links, thanks, esp the bottom one. Terrific article.

The monohull’s stern ramp system seems ideal, but those two “water-wing” boxes welded on either side of the transom might prove to be a liability to boat launch and recovery, or not. The water-wings seem a crude afterthought, probably after the boat weighed in over estimates. If this becomes a class, I’ll bet they revise the hull and eliminate the water-wings.


50 posted on 09/11/2012 11:29:18 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 48 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-58 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson