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Christianity is Compatible with Ayn Rand
Townhall.com ^ | September 10, 2012 | Katie Kieffer

Posted on 09/10/2012 3:32:33 AM PDT by Kaslin

Increasingly, priests and pastors are preaching that socialism (in the name of “social justice”) is Christ-like. In truth, capitalism, not socialism, reflects Christian values. I think Christians would be less likely to embrace socialism if they understood that the economic philosophy of Ayn Rand is compatible with Christianity.

‘Social Justice’ Evolves

In the Nicomachean Ethics, Aristotle speaks of a general form of justice that encompasses all virtue. Describing general justice, Aristotle writes: “It is complete virtue and excellence in the fullest sense… It is complete because he who possesses it can make use of his virtue not only by himself but also in his relations with his fellow men; for there are many people who can make use of their virtue in their own affairs, but who are incapable of using it in their relations with others.”

Thomas Aquinas, a renowned Catholic philosopher adopted a form of Aristotle’s idea of general justice. Eventually, the Catholic Church attempted to modernize Aristotle and Aquinas’ idea of general justice by calling it “social justice.”

The Catholic Church developed the term primarily to help explain justice in a modern society that was moving from farming to more complex forms of production and human interaction. As Michael Novak with the Heritage Foundation points out, Pope Leo XIII specifically slammed socialism and praised the natural differences in talents and abilities among human beings as beneficial to society.

Novak explains how, over time, progressives warped the term “social justice” to mean “equality” (redistribution of wealth and resources based on arithmetic, not individual production), the “common good” (determined by federal bureaucrats) and “compassion” (forced sharing).

Today, numerous pastors are preaching a version of social justice that is basically no different from socialism. I encourage Christians to exchange the convoluted idea of “social justice” for “capitalism.”

Atheism, A Mere Distraction

Rand was one of the best defenders and articulators of capitalism. Unfortunately, many Christians dismiss her economic philosophy because of her personal beliefs on religion.

Rand was an atheist. However, one does not need to be an atheist in order to be a capitalist. Indeed, in Rand’s magnum opus novel, Atlas Shrugged, the core takeaway is not that the hero is an atheist but that he is a capitalist.

Rand and her fictional heroes believe with almost religious zeal that there is no God—a belief that takes “faith.” For, it is impossible to prove beyond reasonable doubt that God does not exist, just as it is impossible to prove beyond reasonable doubt that he does exist. To say either with absolute certainty takes faith (rational yet unconfirmed belief).

If it is rational for Rand to believe (without proof) that God does not exist, it is also rational for a Christian to believe that God exists. Since both atheists and Christians are rational, atheism is unessential to being a capitalist.

If there is a God, He is a Capitalist

That said, one may not believe in any “god” and still claim to be rational. For example, one cannot believe that God condones socialism because socialism is inherently irrational and violates natural law, as I explained here.

Natural law (that which we know through reason alone) tells us that private property and freedom are inherent human rights. Aquinas writes in his Treatise on Law that all human laws must stem from natural law: “But if in any point it [human law] deflects from the law of nature, it is no longer a law but a perversion of the law.”

Jesus did not say: “Blessed are the wicked, for they shall obtain equal salvation.” Jesus did not tell Caesar: “Take 90 percent from the wealthy and redistribute it among the poor.” As I’ve written, Jesus’ own biblical teachings were capitalistic in nature. So, if you claim to be a rational Christian, you must admit that Jesus is a capitalist.

Capitalism, Not Social Justice, Reflects Christianity

Rand may have been an atheist, but she embraced reason and natural law. Christians must do likewise. As Aquinas writes, if Christians embrace laws that violate reason and natural law, such as wealth redistribution mandates, they are in fact embracing injustice.

When Rand’s hero, John Galt, explains justice, he does so in a manner that is consistent with Aristotle, Aquinas and the biblical definition justice—in relation to objective truth and goodness: “Justice is the recognition of the fact that… just as you do not pay a higher price for a rusty chunk of scrap than for a piece of shining metal, so you do not value a rotter above a hero—that your moral appraisal is the coin paying men for their virtues or vices, and this payment demands of you as scrupulous an honor as you bring to financial transactions…”

I think Christians should avoid rushing to judgment on Rand’s philosophy because, at core, she has much to say about living with integrity and pursuing true happiness. No matter what term a pastor uses (think “social justice”), socialism is neither ethical nor Christian. Next week I will delve deeper into explaining how Rand’s beliefs are compatible with Christianity.


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1 posted on 09/10/2012 3:32:37 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Publius

Bump!

Eyes


2 posted on 09/10/2012 3:46:18 AM PDT by AlligatorEyes (Iactura paucourm serva multos)
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To: Kaslin
Rand always associated Christianity with particular denominations which had rejected Biblical precepts.

Christ's 'sacrifice' was not altrustic according to the Objectivist definition of the word, in that He exchanged a lower value (dying for the sins of mankind) for a higher one (love for the Father and the Church)

The Kantian view is that one must sacrifice the higher value for the lower for it to be a true sacrifice.

3 posted on 09/10/2012 3:47:57 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: Kaslin

Ferlater


4 posted on 09/10/2012 4:00:40 AM PDT by vanilla swirl (searching for something meaningfull to say)
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To: Kaslin
How is Ayn Rand saying "What's good for me is right" compatible with Christianity?
5 posted on 09/10/2012 4:13:16 AM PDT by fso301
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To: fortheDeclaration

I was in a play she wrote The night of January 16th.


6 posted on 09/10/2012 4:14:19 AM PDT by brivette
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To: Kaslin
Headline is truly perverse.

Is "Ayn Rand" the standard against which all things are to be measured?

What sort of person asks "Is Christ compatible with Rand?" Since when do we measure The Creator against a mere creature?

7 posted on 09/10/2012 4:20:01 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Kaslin
Increasingly, priests and pastors are preaching that socialism (in the name of “social justice”) is Christ-like.

Socialism is based on COVETING. What don't these so-called moral teachers not understand about "THOU SHALT NOT COVET"?

8 posted on 09/10/2012 4:24:25 AM PDT by MrDem (Founder: Democrats for Cheney/Palin 2012)
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To: fso301
How is Ayn Rand saying "What's good for me is right" compatible with Christianity?

If you take care of #1 (yourself), you'll be in a much better position to be charitable with your wealth. When was the last time you saw a hospital wing named after a poor person?

Now as for the priests above, they are idiots. Socialism is state sanctioned theft, pure and simple. There's nothing Christian about that.
9 posted on 09/10/2012 4:37:40 AM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: Kaslin
Just cuckoo.
10 posted on 09/10/2012 4:40:05 AM PDT by teflon9 (Political campaigns should follow Johnny Mercer's advice--Accentuate the positive.)
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To: 103198

Mark for later read...


11 posted on 09/10/2012 4:40:11 AM PDT by 103198
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To: Kaslin

Somehow, I don’t think Rand would be agreeing with this if she were still alive.


12 posted on 09/10/2012 4:45:13 AM PDT by grundle
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To: Kaslin
BM for later...

Tread should be full of inanities by the time I get back to it

13 posted on 09/10/2012 4:49:03 AM PDT by Popman (In a place you only dream of Where your soul is always free)
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To: Kaslin

You cannot serve both God and mammon.


14 posted on 09/10/2012 4:54:43 AM PDT by Romulus
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To: Kaslin

“I could die for you. But I couldn’t, and wouldn’t, live for you.” Fountainhead

As Christ gave his life for another, so too would a follower of Rand. But, Rand makes it clear that she would not be a slave to another.

There is a difference between these two manifestations of true love for others. God chooses us before we choose Him. Rand advocates that we choose those whom we love based on our ideals (not that we expect anybody to always live up to them). So, Rand has a religion - if you want to call it that - of works, not of grace.

Rand’s approach is fine except it doesn’t have a first mover. Somebody who first initiates a cooperative relationship, who takes that risk. Jesus said, “go thou and do likewise,” using the example of the Good Samaritan, a person who took a small risk with another (amounting to one day’s wages of a laborer). So, initiating kindness, giving a small favor, and seeing if there is reciprocity; this is both scientific and Christian.

Pope John Paul II reconciled the free enterprise, private property system with Christianity in the following way: by ownership, man can come to see himself as a unique and wonderful person, and by inter-acting with others on the basis of voluntarily offer and acceptance, we have the opportunity to see that others are also unique and wonderful persons. Thus, a capitalistic system promotes the Christian ideal that we love others as we love ourselves.

“To sell your soul is the easiest thing in the world. That’s what everybody does every hour of his life. If I asked you to keep your soul - would you understand why that’s much harder?” The Fountainhead

“What does it profit a man if he gain the world and loses his soul in the process.” Matthew 16:26

In both Christianity and Ayn Rand’s Objectivism, the goal is to dedicate your life to what is good, to rise above all petty concerns, distractions, and temptations.

The difference, according to Rand, is that religion has clouded the pursuit of the good with mysticism, so that the truth is not allowed to be revealed by man’s reason.

I find Rand’s approach lacking in the following way: She presumes we have a deep knowledge of the good. But, where did we get this deep knowledge if not through social traditions and the feedback we get from a social system in which our rewards are the result of our choices.

In a perverted communistic system, the social traditions are reversed, and our rewards are the result of choices made by the state. Our perception of the truth need not be grounded in objective reality. Just look at Obama and the other ideologues in the Democratic Party. They live lives in denial of the truth. Their economic programs result in disastrous consequences, that they easily dismiss.

Thus, in a dynamic world, freedom is necessary for virtue because it is only through freedom that we come to know what is good.


15 posted on 09/10/2012 5:08:48 AM PDT by Redmen4ever
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To: Kaslin

“I could die for you. But I couldn’t, and wouldn’t, live for you.” Fountainhead

As Christ gave his life for another, so too would a follower of Rand. But, Rand makes it clear that she would not be a slave to another.

There is a difference between these two manifestations of true love for others. God chooses us before we choose Him. Rand advocates that we choose those whom we love based on our ideals (not that we expect anybody to always live up to them). So, Rand has a religion - if you want to call it that - of works, not of grace.

Rand’s approach is fine except it doesn’t have a first mover. Somebody who first initiates a cooperative relationship, who takes that risk. Jesus said, “go thou and do likewise,” using the example of the Good Samaritan, a person who took a small risk with another (amounting to one day’s wages of a laborer). So, initiating kindness, giving a small favor, and seeing if there is reciprocity; this is both scientific and Christian.

Pope John Paul II reconciled the free enterprise, private property system with Christianity in the following way: by ownership, man can come to see himself as a unique and wonderful person, and by inter-acting with others on the basis of voluntarily offer and acceptance, we have the opportunity to see that others are also unique and wonderful persons. Thus, a capitalistic system promotes the Christian ideal that we love others as we love ourselves.

“To sell your soul is the easiest thing in the world. That’s what everybody does every hour of his life. If I asked you to keep your soul - would you understand why that’s much harder?” The Fountainhead

“What does it profit a man if he gain the world and loses his soul in the process.” Matthew 16:26

In both Christianity and Ayn Rand’s Objectivism, the goal is to dedicate your life to what is good, to rise above all petty concerns, distractions, and temptations.

The difference, according to Rand, is that religion has clouded the pursuit of the good with mysticism, so that the truth is not allowed to be revealed by man’s reason.

I find Rand’s approach lacking in the following way: She presumes we have a deep knowledge of the good. But, where did we get this deep knowledge if not through social traditions and the feedback we get from a social system in which our rewards are the result of our choices.

In a perverted communistic system, the social traditions are reversed, and our rewards are the result of choices made by the state. Our perception of the truth need not be grounded in objective reality. Just look at Obama and the other ideologues in the Democratic Party. They live lives in denial of the truth. Their economic programs result in disastrous consequences, that they easily dismiss.

Thus, in a dynamic world, freedom is necessary for virtue because it is only through freedom that we come to know what is good.


16 posted on 09/10/2012 5:08:51 AM PDT by Redmen4ever
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To: Kaslin
“Christianity is Compatible with Ayn Rand”: as long as the Christian is illiterate and can't read what Rand wrote about religion, and as long as the Christian forsakes all that stuff about sexual morality.

But other than that...

17 posted on 09/10/2012 5:22:27 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Kaslin

The problem is a lot more basic. IMHO (and experience) 90% of folks who call themselves christian reallydon’t understand “Grace”. I could go on but why?


18 posted on 09/10/2012 5:30:50 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: ArrogantBustard
Since when do we measure The Creator against a mere creature?

Exactly

19 posted on 09/10/2012 6:12:54 AM PDT by showme_the_Glory (ILLEGAL: prohibited by law. ALIEN: Owing political allegiance to another country or government)
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To: grundle

You are right. She said that capitalism and Christianity were incompatible because the basic premises of Christianity were exactly the same as Socialism; that man is not an end in himself but a means to others ends. That his life does not belong to him but to others and his highest moral purpose is to serve God (religion) or the state (Socialism).


20 posted on 09/10/2012 6:14:47 AM PDT by albionin
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To: MrDem

Socialism’s violation of the horizontal commandments:
10 - “The rich have too much and you have too little”
9 - “You have too little BECAUSE they have too much”
8 - “Put me in power and I’ll take it from them”
7 - not socialism, per se, but maybe - “screw whatever you want and we’ll make others pay for any consequences”
6 - “if they don’t comply, we’ll force them to comply, at the point of a sword”
5 - “disregard what the founders established”


21 posted on 09/10/2012 6:20:01 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working fors)
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Compatible analysis of Christianity to any social structure is blasphemy.

Every form of governance is subordinate to Christianity — period.

I despise the material and political characterizations of Christ.


22 posted on 09/10/2012 6:30:46 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: Romulus
You hit the nail right on the head. Right from the Lord's mouth.

The problem with Rand is that even though she is right about some things it is not for the right reasons.

23 posted on 09/10/2012 6:42:28 AM PDT by frogjerk (OBAMA NOV 2012 = HORSEMEAT)
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To: Kaslin

Paul Ryan’s bishop wrote a letter stating that the Ryan economic/budget plan is consistent with Catholicism.

Since by doctrine, the bishop of your diocese is your spiritual leader, that is the only important voice in any “Catholic activists say about capitalism...” discussion.


24 posted on 09/10/2012 6:45:42 AM PDT by AFPhys ((Praying for our troops, our citizens, that the Bible and Freedom become basis of the US law again))
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To: Redmen4ever
The difference, according to Rand, is that religion has clouded the pursuit of the good with mysticism, so that the truth is not allowed to be revealed by man’s reason.

An absolute rejection of the super natural. Terrible.

25 posted on 09/10/2012 6:58:08 AM PDT by frogjerk (OBAMA NOV 2012 = HORSEMEAT)
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To: fso301
Concur. Anyway, Ayn Rand's whole philosophy was that it had to be accepted in toto. She did not believe that anyone could say "I think objectivism makes a few good points, but I can't agree with these other statements." As far as she was concerned, it was "all or nothing" with her theories. Typical Humanist philosopher arrogance.

Ayn Rand was a champion of individualism and therefore of capitalism, no doubt about it, but not theism.

26 posted on 09/10/2012 7:12:56 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: ArrogantBustard
"Headline is truly perverse.

Is "Ayn Rand" the standard against which all things are to be measured?

What sort of person asks "Is Christ compatible with Rand?" Since when do we measure The Creator against a mere creature?"

Amen, and thank you.

27 posted on 09/10/2012 7:46:52 AM PDT by CatherineofAragon (Don't be afraid to see what you see. (Ronald Reagan))
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To: MrDem

great point!!!
...the Bible encourages us to give to the poor.
NOT to be forced to give,
by poor people voted for the transfer!!!


28 posted on 09/10/2012 7:58:14 AM PDT by Elendur (It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: fortheDeclaration

Thank you.

The kingdom of heaven is like treasure hidden in a field. When a man found it, he hid it again, and then in his joy went and sold all he had and bought that field.

Matthew 13:44


29 posted on 09/10/2012 8:02:29 AM PDT by Redmen4ever
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To: Kaslin
Excellent. Here's another analysis on Objectivism and Christianity.

Reconciling Ayn Rand with the Gospel

"One of the hallmarks of Rand's Objectivist philosophy is the supremacy of an individual's capacity for logic and reason. Those two words, logic and reason, appear over and over again in all of Rand's writings. Here is a quote from Rand herself, emphasis mine:"

My philosophy, in essence, is the concept of man as a heroic being, with his own happiness as the moral purpose of his life, with productive achievement as his noblest activity, and reason as his only absolute.
"The Christian reconciliation of all of this lies in the Gospel of John, chapter 1, verse one: 'In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.' "

"In John's creation narrative, he immediately identifies and establishes Jesus Christ as divine, co-eternal with God the Father, begotten, not made. Today, we simply say that Jesus Christ is the Second Person of the Holy Trinity. But what we must focus on in terms of this discussion is the word that John uses to name and identify Jesus: John calls Him 'the Word.' In the original Greek, the word John uses is 'Logos.' The word 'logos' in Greek is the same word used for the concepts of logic and reason. This Greek root is indeed the etymological source for the modern English word 'logic.' What John did in the very first sentence of his Gospel is to specifically identify Christ, the Second Person of the Trinity, as Logic and Reason Itself. Logic and reason are intrinsic, constitutive qualities of God. They are His essence. They are who He is."

30 posted on 09/10/2012 8:06:57 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan
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To: Publius

Ping


31 posted on 09/10/2012 8:08:17 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan
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To: Kaslin
No, it's not compatible at all.

Besides, this thought is completely backwards.


The pain you feel today is the strength you'll have tomorrow.

32 posted on 09/10/2012 8:45:43 AM PDT by rdb3 (Truth is Hate to those who Hate the Truth.)
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To: ADemocratNoMore; Aggie Mama; alarm rider; alexander_busek; AlligatorEyes; AmericanGirlRising; ...

Ping to the book club.


33 posted on 09/10/2012 8:57:19 AM PDT by Publius (Leadership starts with getting off the couch.)
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To: Kaslin

How?

Ayn Rand’s John Galt absolutely blasted religion in his 17 page radio speech. Plus none of the other characters were exactly very Christian in their actions.


34 posted on 09/10/2012 9:05:09 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: grundle

me either.

Free Markets are compatible Christianity

I can agree with that

The premise is off, way off


35 posted on 09/10/2012 9:09:00 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: fso301

Rand never said that.


36 posted on 09/10/2012 10:34:57 AM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: Kaslin
If it is rational for Rand to believe (without proof) that God does not exist, it is also rational for a Christian to believe that God exists. Since both atheists and Christians are rational, atheism is unessential to being a capitalist.

Rationality requires the use of logic which is laughably absent from this statement.

37 posted on 09/10/2012 11:32:02 AM PDT by Misterioso (The truth is not for all men but only for those who seek it. - Ayn Rand)
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To: grundle
Actually, one needs to understand where Ayn Rand was born and how she lived ...before coming to America.

I was gleaning through a copy of Liberal Fascism, Jonah Goldberg, just last week and an interesting recounting of a bit of history came to light and could likely go a long way into someone like Rand's ‘atheism.’ Much like today...the churches succumbed to the ideals of socialism. (The Birth of the Liberal God-State, pg. 215-223)

A discussion on another thread in the religion forum have several of us bemoaning the FACT we can't find a parish in our midst that is not hell bent on social justice.

If this is the atmosphere one might question...’where is God now?’ or one might forsake a faith or belief for one cannot believe in a dogma so blasphemed you know it cannot be true. Rand was an atheist and while we question her now, somewhere in her past I strongly suspect she ran as far and as fast as she could away from the social justice faith as she could. She knew it was wrong, against natural law and logic...it is a shame she didn't bump into the real Christ along the way.

38 posted on 09/10/2012 11:42:00 AM PDT by EBH (Courage, Trust, Sacred Honor, Truth, Freedom)
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To: GeronL
You have to consider the times in which it was written.

From 1888, starting with Looking Backward, by Edward Bellany to 1944 when FDR proposed a second bill of rights.

Refer to my earlier post, but Liberal Fascism by Jonah Goldberg would do well as to explain an atheist capitalist. Especially Rand, who would see the church/god as the vehicle of socialism.

39 posted on 09/10/2012 11:57:24 AM PDT by EBH (Courage, Trust, Sacred Honor, Truth, Freedom)
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To: Kaslin

God is not a collectivist.. He loves each individually.


40 posted on 09/10/2012 12:27:12 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (Viva Christo Rey)
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To: fso301
How is Ayn Rand saying "What's good for me is right" compatible with Christianity?

Aspects of personal blessing are certainly compatible with Christianity.

100% sacrifice is not.

The left has preyed on the "guilt complex" of millions of Christians which has developed into social justice.

When one realizes that grace is the Christian message, one can discard the guilt/sacrifice aspect (Christ already did that!) and walk in the knowledge that God looks upon one as righteous...not upon one with demands to earn your salvation. Such a positive attitude will many, many times lead to prosperity.

You have to remember that Rand was a young girl in Russia at the time of the Revolution. She saw the Orthodox Church crumble before the advance of communism and was forever turned off by the weak "sacifice/guilt" message of the church she saw around her.

I doubt that Rand ever studied the messages of grace in the Bible.

41 posted on 09/10/2012 12:49:58 PM PDT by what's up
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To: Kaslin
It's interesting how atheism has led to both Karl Marx and Ayn Rand.
Marx and the socialists of his time (and later) were dogmatic atheists who believed only atheists could be true socialists.
And then, a hundred years after The Communist Manifesto, Ayn Rand gives us Atlas Shrugged.
The main idea shared by both seems to be that man is the highest power.
42 posted on 09/11/2012 6:48:47 AM PDT by Tired of Taxes
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To: EBH
A discussion on another thread in the religion forum have several of us bemoaning the FACT we can't find a parish in our midst that is not hell bent on social justice.

As a Catholic who (after a long period of atheism) recently returned to the Church, I found myself cringing at the words "social justice," too, spoken by priests at different parishes. But, I figured the Church's definition for that term might be very different from the socialist definition. So, I hung in there.

And then the HHS Mandate happened, and it was no secret where the Catholic Church stood on that issue. There were homilies on the abuse of power by government, and protests, and so on... Since then, at every Mass, we've been led in this prayer: "That the government may always respect our First Amendment rights..." "Lord, hear our prayer..."

So, I'm HOPING that I'm right - that their definition of "social justice" is a bit different from the socialist definition.

43 posted on 09/11/2012 7:34:20 AM PDT by Tired of Taxes
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