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Omens of Doom? - Nate Silver gives 4-to-1 odds against a Romney win
The American Spectator ^ | September 10, 2012 | Robert Stacy McCain

Posted on 09/10/2012 4:34:28 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

................But why bring Nate Silver into this?

Silver is the poll-analyzing guru of the New York Times, whose reputation as a wizard was developed in crunching baseball statistics before being applied to political campaigns. On Saturday afternoon, Silver published an analysis which asserted that Obama now has a nearly 80 percent chance of winning the election, with 317 Electoral College votes and 52 percent of the popular vote. All of which is very interesting -- and very important, if true.

However,....I recall the Sunday in October 2010 when I arrived in New York's 25th Congressional District and was greeted by a Syracuse Post-Standard headline proclaiming that Democrat Rep. Dan Maffei had opened up a 12-point lead over Republican challenger Ann Marie Buerkle with barely two weeks remaining until Election Day. There was a mood of grim determination at the Buerkle campaign events I attended that Sunday and Monday, and I was far from certain that she could pull off an upset. On Election Night, the vote was "too close to call" and it was only after an extended recount that Buerkle was declared the winner -- two days before Thanksgiving -- by a margin of fewer than 600 votes........

Was Buerkle's victory a miraculous comeback? Had she actually erased a 12-point deficit in the span of 16 days? Of course not. The poll by Siena College was simply wrong, based on a faulty sample, and her chances of beating Maffei were as good on Sunday, Oct. 17, as they were on Tuesday, Nov. 2........however, its publication as front-page news in the Syracuse paper posed a real danger to her campaign, one she addressed at a rally with her supporters. "I don't want anyone to let this discourage you," Buerkle said the day after the poll was published. ".........

(Excerpt) Read more at spectator.org ...


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1 posted on 09/10/2012 4:34:38 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

who is Nate Silver?


2 posted on 09/10/2012 4:35:04 AM PDT by Perdogg
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Silver is the poll-analyzing guru of the New York Times,”

Nate Silver is a left-wing little fag who worships obama as well.


3 posted on 09/10/2012 4:37:53 AM PDT by ConservativeDude
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

4 posted on 09/10/2012 4:38:04 AM PDT by Perdogg
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

The poll was simply wrong, a lot of that going on now.


5 posted on 09/10/2012 4:38:23 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

This “poll analyzer” doesn’t know what he is talking about. The gambling websites, which have a historic track record of being far more accurate at predicting election winners than the polls, do not give Obama such an unrealistically ridiculous lead. Instead, they show a very, very close race.


6 posted on 09/10/2012 4:42:46 AM PDT by grundle
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

The article doesn’t lend any credence to this moron pollster’s BS.

But the American Spectator engaged in something called “link bait”, where the title was meant to get a reaction strong enough for you to click on it.


7 posted on 09/10/2012 4:48:45 AM PDT by VanDeKoik
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

4-1 against Romney? That’s an overlay as I feel it’s only 1.3-1 against at the moment and a lot of that is because we’re too close to the Dem Convention to get realistic numbers.

Spot me 70 Electoral votes and I’ll bet even money.


8 posted on 09/10/2012 4:51:51 AM PDT by Usagi_yo
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; Jim Robinson; onyx; P-Marlowe; cripplecreek; greyfoxx39; kabar; SoConPubbie; ...

I just listened to Trump on Fox and Friends minutes ago. He was blasting Romney for not attacking Obama. He said that the Romney camp is being nice as part of their attitude toward the man.

He said that it was a repeat of McCain and that it would NOT work, and that if Romney doesn’t attack, because there are so many points at which to attack, then it will not go well.

He could not understand why they refuse to attack.

I agree. I saw a commercial from Romney finally this morning here in this battleground state of Ohio. It was exactly what Romney said, “nice”. It was “I’ll create jobs in Ohio and not ship them overseas.”

So bland I had trouble remembering it.


9 posted on 09/10/2012 4:52:51 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: VanDeKoik

Speaking of “baiting”...

Look how a Madison paper edited an article on racism by Jesse Washington [who] covers race and ethnicity for The Associated Press.

http://host.madison.com/news/national/government-and-politics/does-racial-bias-fuel-obama-foes-how-to-tell/article_11deacf0-041a-5ac5-9387-8dd78f344733.html

Here it is in full:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/question-of-whether-race-fuels-obama-opposition-1-of-elections-most-divisive-topics/2012/09/09/b8ca7380-faa5-11e1-a65a-d6e62f9f2a5a_print.html


10 posted on 09/10/2012 4:58:08 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: xzins
So bland I had trouble remembering it.

Well you certainly can't call Trump bland. He must be upset he wasn't news during 2 weeks of conventions.

11 posted on 09/10/2012 4:59:48 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

What I heard on radio early this a.m. is that Obama has opened a 5 point lead in Ohio, citing two polls that say so. Post Dem convention.

In Ohio, given the nature of that state and its cruciality to victory, if that is actually true and holds anywhere close to that, America is already gone.

I have heard that because John Kasich has done so much good in Ohio, most people there are better off than before he became governor, and that people tend to credit OBAMA for it, rather than him.

That would suggest a level of ignorance that is truly frightening.

My guess is that Obama got a bounce but we can’t tell yet its degree or staying power. It did cause polls to move his way, but the accuracy of the measurement is unknown. And it could be more of a response to the nostalgia of Bill Clinton’s years than anything else, whatever it is.

The Clintons tend to be popular in some of those states in the Rust Belt. If they had the say, back in ‘08, it would’ve been Hillary, not Obama. Guess they forgot about Hillarycare, but what kind of a choice did they have, between two radicals?

Bottom line to remember, this latest is now being used to propagandize the nation like never before, that Obama is going to take it, You can hear the barely disguised chortle in the newsreader’s voices.

Bill Cunningham (who’s from Ohio) last night asked Trump or some other rich guy or a consortium of them, to buy tv time and run the movie “2016” right into people’s living rooms. He had just gotten through seeing the movie and said there are very few Americans who would vote for Obama after seeing it.

It being Obama’s life story and his philosophy, in Obama’s own voice as he reads from his book.


12 posted on 09/10/2012 5:01:40 AM PDT by txrangerette ("HOLD TO THE TRUTH...SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR." - Glenn Beck)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I don’t mind if they keep Mitt and the Tea Party crowds energized while making 0 overconfident.


13 posted on 09/10/2012 5:02:24 AM PDT by Tanniker Smith (Rome didn't fall in a day, either.)
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To: grundle

“This ‘poll analyzer’ doesn’t know what he is talking about.”

One wonders how brilliant he thinks he is and how many times he’s been told that he’s “brilliant, brilliant”.

Just asking.


14 posted on 09/10/2012 5:04:15 AM PDT by ripley
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

http://www.intrade.com/v4/home/

Real money has Obama at 53% Romney 47%

Wish I had a spare 250k to try and get that horses ass to lay $1million against Romney.


15 posted on 09/10/2012 5:06:22 AM PDT by Usagi_yo
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To: xzins

Romney could turn things around if he’d listen to the “little people”. Mike Rowe gave him some excellent advice but he needs to do more than use it as a photo op to show that he read it.

Telling people that he’ll create jobs is great but its become meaningless to most people to hear it from a politician. People want to know how and telling them that he’ll cut taxes at the top just isn’t enough. The people want to know if he’s going to eliminate the taxes on manufacturing. They want to know how he’ll get around regulations that impede production. The people want to know how he’ll lure jobs back to America.


16 posted on 09/10/2012 5:07:38 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

One has to remember that almost all these polls are propaganda put out by the democrat machine. The lames stream media is a wholly owned subsidiary of the DNC and publishes ONLY what the DNC tells them to.


17 posted on 09/10/2012 5:08:32 AM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: txrangerette
I have heard that because John Kasich has done so much good in Ohio, most people there are better off than before he became governor, and that people tend to credit OBAMA for it, rather than him.

I'm an Ohioan, and this is actually true. But, it's true in the blue or purple regions of the state. The conservative regions just don't like Obama. And those who are out of work tend to blame Obama.

Kasich was very poorly served by his leader of the Ohio Senate, a guy named Tom Niehaus, who shoved a very poorly written, seriously over-reaching senate bill 5 that the liberals absolutely hammered Kasich with. Gov Kasich never got a chance to have a honeymoon, to establish his own agenda, because Niehaus had this monstrosity that got so much into the weeds that it was telling local communities how to run their fire departments, life squads, and school systems.

Niehaus destroyed Kasich's introduction to the state, the liberal unions were able to paint Kasich as an enemy of workers, Senate bill 5 went down to a flaming 60+ percent defeat, and poor Kasich had to support the darn thing in order to support his team (and this idiot Niehaus.)

Because of that, it doesn't surprise me at all that Obama is getting Kasich's credit in purple regions of the state.

I'll go further. Niehaus monstrosity was so unpopular and so memorably so that I will not be surprised if it doesn't underlie an Obama victory in this state. You've got to remember that it came on top of the previous republican administration, Taft's, being found guilty in court of misappropriation, and of Taft himself being found guilty. Some of that bad taste remains, too.

The GOP-E in this state has seriously undercut the brand name.

18 posted on 09/10/2012 5:19:22 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

The problem is all this “analysis” is based on polling data that is slanted hard Left. All the polling models are based on the 2008 turn out model. That model is a fluke since Dems had a much much better year then normal.


19 posted on 09/10/2012 5:23:42 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: txrangerette

The poll cited in Oh over samples Dems +4. Not a realistic turn out model.


20 posted on 09/10/2012 5:25:28 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: xzins
He was blasting Romney for not attacking Obama.

Trump is right. Obama has played the victim card on the economy and if Romney continues to make the economy the 'meat & potatoes' of his campaign, he might as well make his concession speech now.

Obama and his administration is full of obvious corruption and political criminality yet not a peep from the Right................

21 posted on 09/10/2012 5:25:34 AM PDT by varon (I remember when America was American.)
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To: txrangerette

..................”or some other rich guy or a consortium of them, to buy tv time and run the movie “2016” right into people’s living rooms”..................

Spot on. This should be done.


22 posted on 09/10/2012 5:28:42 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: cripplecreek; P-Marlowe; Cincinatus' Wife

Was talking to a man yesterday in the construction business who blamed it all on Obama. He was exactly right.

He went on to ask about Romney. He is a bible-belt, social conservative. I said, “I can’t lie to you Tim. He’s very bad on our issues. He’s pro-gay adoption, in favor of gay boy scouts, supports a gay military, and likes gun control.”

He said, to me, “I can’t support that. What are we supposed to do? (I’m his pastor.)” I said, “Some people are saying that it’s more important to get rid of what’s worse...Obama. I understand that. Maybe they’re right. In the bible, they supported both good kings and bad kings.”

He said, “but I still can’t support that....it would go against everything I believe.” I said, “Yeah, I know.”

He asked what I was doing. I told him I’m supporting Virgil Goode. He said he’d not heard of him. I told him to look it up. He said, “He’s on the ballot in Ohio?”

I said he was. Then Tim repeated that he couldn’t support either of the other two.

That took all of 5-10 minutes. Our biblical Christians just don’t know what’s being said by these two liberals. When they hear it, they turn against both of them.


23 posted on 09/10/2012 5:28:45 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: xzins
He said that it was a repeat of McCain and that it would NOT work, and that if Romney doesn’t attack...

That's true, IMHO, Romney's not going to make it unless he stops praising Obama, stops being Mr Nice Guy and really goes after Bambi's miserable record. Romney had no trouble viciously attacking his primary (GOP) opponents, running attack ads about them, etc., even though he had no ideas of his own to offer and was really just going for personal attacks. It worked.

Now the GOP actually does have its own ideas to offer, and it has somebody exciting (Paul Ryan) to articulate them. But instead we're seeing bland, grinning, artificial-looking Romney out there all the time, telling us what a great guy Obama is.

I read another analysis this morning that said that the biggest problem is that the Dems have managed to cast it so that people who criticize Obama - for any reason - are being racist, and everybody in the opposition is terrified to appear critical of Obama. There were buses at the DNC that had the slogan "Don't Disrespect My President" on the side, clearly intending to imply that any criticism is equivalent "dissing" "their" president.

It's also true that Romney comes out of a religious cult that historically had pretty negative attitudes towards blacks, embedded in their "scriptures" and practice, and I think this has made him even more cautious about appearing to "diss" Obama.

But somebody's got to have the guts to start being realistic about Obama and treating him like any other candidate or we are surely going to lose.

24 posted on 09/10/2012 5:30:33 AM PDT by livius
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To: txrangerette
He had just gotten through seeing the movie and said there are very few Americans who would vote for Obama after seeing it.

Really? The Koolaid drinkers would be unmoved by it if they watched it; which, of course, they wouldn't.

25 posted on 09/10/2012 5:31:41 AM PDT by luvbach1 (Stop the destruction in 2012 or continue the decline)
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To: Perdogg

Nate Silver is a statistician who in 2010 predicted the GOP would fall just short of winning the House. I think he predicted a pick up of 30 seats.


26 posted on 09/10/2012 5:33:29 AM PDT by Bobloblaw2012
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To: Usagi_yo

Intrade has Obama at 58.7 not 53


27 posted on 09/10/2012 5:33:34 AM PDT by Bobloblaw2012
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To: Perdogg
Answer this Nate: right now Obama is not winning any group he lost in 2008. He is not doing better with any group he did win: not women not Blacks not Jews Not young voters not Hispanics. Republican registration is at 37.6% which is not only an all time high while Democrat registration is 33.3% which is less than one point above their all time low.
Catholics who supported Obama with 54% of their vote in 2008 now support him at a 27% level and will be at least 27% of the turn out. No Democrat has ever won the presidency while losing the Catholic vote.
Obama is not even close using ANY MoE.
GOPers are a minimum of 7 points higher on enthusiasm so EVEN if the registration was equal which of course it is not Obama could not win.
Jewish support is at 64% at best and no Democrat has ever won with less than 68%.
Oh yes almost forgot: the Republican registration edge has come about in the last two months and it is more than 3 times larger than the lead Republicans had in registration in 2010.
Oh yeah and Sheldon Adelson will spend “whatever I have to to beat Obama.” So go away Nate you're making a fool of yourself.
28 posted on 09/10/2012 5:34:17 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: Usagi_yo

in trade is 59-41 Obama


29 posted on 09/10/2012 5:34:55 AM PDT by SPRINK
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To: xzins

Agreed.

Romney needs to get off the dime.

As things stand now, if he doesn’t go after Obama, it seems he’ll simply never lead.


30 posted on 09/10/2012 5:38:59 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (America doesn't need any new laws. America needs freedom!)
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To: livius
somebody's got to have the guts to start being realistic about Obama and treating him like any other candidate or we are surely going to lose.

I don't believe they'll get into attack mode. McCain wouldn't do it; these are the same people.

I'm not real sure they want to win. In fact, I'd not be surprised at all if that were true.

31 posted on 09/10/2012 5:40:03 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: Perdogg

Nate Silver is a former JOURNO list guy who has been Toyko Rose the past few days, churning out piece after piece about how conservatives just need to stay home and how the race is over according to the polls.

He may end up being right, but at this point I have a hard time seeing undecided voters pulling the Obama lever come November 6th.

The media is trying to put the full court press on to demoralize us. If Romney were the incumbent president, we’d be seeing dozens of articles about how he’s in terrible shape since he’s an incumbent who can’t poll above 50 percent. They’ve got a narrative for all seasons against us.


32 posted on 09/10/2012 5:41:01 AM PDT by SteveAustin
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Comrade Nate Silver was the Daily Koz pollster .
full blown left wing loon !
Nate predicted the Dems would keep the house in 2010 .
Nate predicted Scott would be recalled !


33 posted on 09/10/2012 5:42:23 AM PDT by ncalburt (NO MORE WIMPS need to apply to fight the Soros Funded Puppet !H)
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To: xzins; Cincinatus' Wife

When you say purple areas of the state, you are singing the same song I was...those are SWING areas. The conservative areas don’t like Obama and have minds made up against him. The lib areas are lined up on the opposite side.

The intrastate political scene is a sorry one, from your description.

The part about Kasich having to support the GOP team reminds me, VERY MUCH, of Rick Perry feeling he had to endorse DEWHURST.

That will hurt Rick Perry in TX, but it will not determine the election outcome for president. TX is anti-Obama.

Dear Lord, I pray the Ohio situation does not destroy this entire nation by allowing Obama to win there.


34 posted on 09/10/2012 5:43:27 AM PDT by txrangerette ("HOLD TO THE TRUTH...SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR." - Glenn Beck)
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To: SPRINK

So what ?
It’s s entertainment scam .


35 posted on 09/10/2012 5:43:31 AM PDT by ncalburt (NO MORE WIMPS need to apply to fight the Soros Funded Puppet !H)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Operation Demoralize Ping


36 posted on 09/10/2012 5:43:58 AM PDT by AdamBomb
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Romney has non stop ads are on the tv and air
Non stop in Orlando and Tampa .
The ads are tough .


37 posted on 09/10/2012 5:46:29 AM PDT by ncalburt (NO MORE WIMPS need to apply to fight the Soros Funded Puppet !H)
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To: MNJohnnie

I’m not crediting the polls’ accuracy, as I stated that there was some kind of a bounce but unknowable as to its size or staying power. I also said it could be a Clinton more than an Obama bounce.

But thanks for the info.


38 posted on 09/10/2012 5:46:50 AM PDT by txrangerette ("HOLD TO THE TRUTH...SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR." - Glenn Beck)
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To: txrangerette
...Dear Lord, I pray the Ohio situation does not destroy this entire nation by allowing Obama to win there.

Americans must come to the polls in droves to vote out Obama -- come out like their lives and their family's futures depend on it, because they do.

39 posted on 09/10/2012 5:47:11 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: John O; All

you post: “One has to remember that almost all these polls are propaganda put out by the democrat machine. The lames stream media is a wholly owned subsidiary of the DNC and publishes ONLY what the DNC tells them to.”

And they’d better not stray - or they’ll find a fish - or horse - head in their bed.

http://www.dickmorris.com/obama-thugs-rough-up-gallup-for-polls-they-dont-like/?utm_source=dmreports&utm_medium=dmreports&utm_campaign=dmreports

Just watch the proof you see - the small crowds for the Won...That speaks volumns. (even had to pull in the convention to a 20,000 seat arena - that wouldn’t even seat the delegates and media)

Also, remember when -

in 1980, according to the media and pollsters - Carter couldn’t lose to Reagan - he was the OVERWHELMING lead -
(and up until election, polls ‘showed’ 2 to 1 for Carter...It was 2 to 1 - but FOR REAGAN.

http://www.harrisinteractive.com/vault/Harris-Interactive-Poll-Research-CARTER-NOW-FAR-AHEAD-OF-BOTH-REAGAN-AND-BUSH-1980-01.pdf

And Dukakis led GHW Bush by 17 points after the DNC convention -

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2012/09/09/flashback-dukakis-led-bush-17-points-after-1988-dnc

BOTTOM LINE: VOTE - and have a ‘voting party’ - make sure all your family and friends vote. Throw a victory breakfast or evening happy hour - everyone who comes with a “I voted” sticker gets a free breakfast or drink...then break out the popcorn - and watch the media melt into tears, like RAther and others did in 1980. I still smile when I remember it.


40 posted on 09/10/2012 5:49:08 AM PDT by maine-iac7 (Christian is as Christian does....)
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To: xzins

I’m a biblical Christian.

Obama MUST go.


41 posted on 09/10/2012 5:49:16 AM PDT by txrangerette ("HOLD TO THE TRUTH...SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR." - Glenn Beck)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Folks, this is all part of liberal mainstream media's agenda, don't fall for it. Virtually every sitting president in history gets a bump from their convention (I think there was only one exception in the last 50 years). I knew Obama would get a bump as did most people who pay attention to politics, however the liberal media is trying spin this as typical bump as something extraordinary and unexpected, and is already calling the election for Obama. This is all part of their plan to create a air of inevitability around Obama and dispirit Romney voters and fundraisers. History has shown up that convention bumps rarely last more than two weeks and to buy into the line that the election is “over” before the first debate is foolish.
42 posted on 09/10/2012 5:49:43 AM PDT by apillar
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To: txrangerette

I was a Rick Perry for President supporter a year before he even announced. I would far rather have him running than Romney. Conservatives shot themselves in the foot when they ganged up on Perry over high school children of illegals.

Romney was far, far worse, but he got a pass, got to sit in the background and watch conservatives shoot each other.


43 posted on 09/10/2012 5:51:44 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: luvbach1

Yes, really. Cunningham is speaking in relative terms, and his is right. The Obama vote would basically shrink down to his base, if EVERYONE saw this movie, was his point. You can be hung up on my choice of words “very few”, but again, like him, I was speaking in relative terms.


44 posted on 09/10/2012 5:51:52 AM PDT by txrangerette ("HOLD TO THE TRUTH...SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR." - Glenn Beck)
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To: jmaroneps37

#28 Great facts!


45 posted on 09/10/2012 5:53:53 AM PDT by Elendur (It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Usagi_yo
Wish I had a spare 250k to try and get that horses ass to lay $1 million against Romney.

I have $ 250,000 that I'd bet on Romney at 4-1 but the money from that fag Silver would have to be put in an off shore escrow account, and the bet would have to be finalized outside of the USA so the little lefty couldn't use USA law to avoid payment.

Nate Silver is all mouth {just ax his closet friends}, his favorite hangout is men's rest room the Trailways bus station.

46 posted on 09/10/2012 5:53:53 AM PDT by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages, start today.)
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To: txrangerette

Like I told parishoner, some people are able to support Romney. They say that the Judahites supported their king whether good or bad.

That’s true all the way up to Jeremiah, at least, and Jeremiah was doing the best for Zedekiah, whether Zedekiah saw it as support or not.

In any case, I understand where you’re coming from, and your reasons, but I can’t lie to people when they ask me about Romney or what I think.

After hearing it, they have to either go with the “lesser of two evils canddiate” idea, or they have to go with the “morally right candidate wherever you find him” idea.


47 posted on 09/10/2012 5:56:55 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: Perdogg

He's written pieces for the Huffinton Post, appeared on Comrade News Network, Etc.

He's your typical ultra dweeb schilling for the Left.

48 posted on 09/10/2012 5:59:11 AM PDT by thingumbob (I'm a bitter clinger...I dare you to take my gun)
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To: SteveAustin
Exactly, this is all about vote suppression.
49 posted on 09/10/2012 5:59:45 AM PDT by woodbutcher1963
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I recently watched a documentary; I think it was about the Battle of the Bulge. In the film, it was reported by a surviving vet that his commanding officer threatened to disassociate an individual that was demoralizing the remaining, war-torn troops. The vet clearly communicated the importance of focusing on victory while emphasizing the impact and cost of despair and defeatism.

I’m not in any way suggesting any form of disassociation.

Any FReeper that insists on foretelling an Obama victory should give some consideration to the negative effect one’s subconscious wish has on morale.

Please reconsider the complaining.


50 posted on 09/10/2012 6:03:49 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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