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Mitt Romney has “Dukakified” the Republicans; Update: Romney to keep the good parts of Obamacare
Conservative4Palin ^ | September 09 2012 | Doug Brady

Posted on 09/10/2012 8:45:49 AM PDT by Bratch

I’ve argued many times that the politician Mitt Romney most closely resembles is John Kerry, primarily due to the Mittster’s legendary penchant for flip-flopping, a trait Kerry is also known for. I stand by my Kerry comparison, but Jonah Goldberg has an excellent point when he compares Romney to another Massachusetts politician: Michael Dukakis.

Meanwhile, the Republicans seem to have become Dukakified. It was Michael Dukakis, the 1988 Democratic presidential nominee, who insisted that the election should be entirely about “competence, not ideology.” Romney has avoided saying that in so many words, but it’s certainly how he’s campaigning. After running to the right in the primaries and boldly picking Representative Paul Ryan as his running mate, Romney bizarrely seems to have retreated to an ideological and even intellectual crouch.

Though he doesn’t say it explicitly, the tone and tenor of Romney’s convention speech suggested that Obama failed because didn’t have the right resume, not because he has the wrong ideas. Stuart Stevens, Romney’s top strategist, has dismayed many on the right by operating according to the theory that Romney mustn’t do anything to offend the delicate sensibilities of some statistical abstraction of a female voter in the Ohio suburbs. Listening to the Romney speech, you’d have no idea he picked a principled, fearless, and brilliant conservative lightning rod as a running mate.

If Stevens’s theory of the election is right, then the GOP convention was brilliantly executed. But that is a huge gamble — as huge as Obama’s bet that Americans have moved left. Right now, however, it looks too much like a contest between people with the wrong ideas against people without any.

My hat’s off to Jonah Goldberg. I never equated Romney to Dukakis, but the more I think about it, the more appropriate the comparison becomes. Like Romney, Dukakis is a former governor of the deep blue state of Massachusetts. Both are adherents to the technocratic approach to government in which the beneficence of the government bureaucrat plays a central role (see Romneycare). 59-point plans, which are nothing more than Keynesian big government boondoggles to conservatives, are utopia for technocrats and the armies of bureaucrats required to administer them.

To listen to his “Obama’s a nice guy who’s in over his head” speeches, Romney’s primary objection to Obama is not that government shouldn’t do what Obama wants it to do, but that Obama is an incompetent manager. While that may be true, the biggest problem with Obama is not competence, but his radical ideology: he wants to transform American into another bankrupt, European-style welfare state where government inexorably grows at the expense of individual freedoms.  But Romney and his “Dukakified” campaign won’t even bring this up for fear of offending someone.

Political ideology — having consistent views and ideas based on core convictions — is viewed as a liability by the Mittster, whose only discernible conviction is his desire to be president. Other than that self-aggrandizing conviction, though, Mitt goes out of his way to avoid any others. He finds them confining, for lack of a better word. If he had a consistent ideology, how could he tell Massachusetts voters upon his election as governor that he was a moderate with progressive views while later describing his gubernatorial tenure as “severely conservative” to a CPAC audience. (Romneycare, presumably, is evidence of his severe conservatism). It’s liberating to lack a consistent ideology, I guess.

Much has been made of Romney’s selection of Paul Ryan to be his running mate. But one gets the feeling the Mittster was just checking a box; that he selected Ryan not because he shared Ryan’s deep ideological commitment to fixing the nation’s finances, but because he needed to keep conservatives interested in his milquetoast campaign. But simply picking a conservative running mate is insufficient to assuage conservative concerns. He must actually embrace Ryan’s conservative positions.

Nearly two years ago, Governor Palin became the first national conservative leader to endorse the Ryan Roadmap – to date the only specific plan to eliminate the deficit put forward by anyone. Romney has yet to endorse that plan, insisting he’ll come up with his own at some point in the future.  Mitt’s been running for president for a decade. When will he come up with a plan? I doubt he ever will because he’d run the risk of offending ”the delicate sensibilities of some statistical abstraction of a female voter in the Ohio suburbs” as Goldberg notes above.

Romney prefers caution and inaction to bold action, defense to offense, and amorphous vagaries to concrete ideas. He says he’ll repeal Obamacare, but won’t tell us how.  He says he’ll reform the entitlement plans before they inevitably go bankrupt, but, again, won’t say how. It’s as if he’s psychologically incapable of taking a consistent position on an issue and defending it. Whether this is due to his lack of core convictions or his lack of a backbone is anyone’s guess. In any event, he’s simply running out the clock and hoping to avoid making a mistake. But if the election were held today, he’d lose. A prevent defense can only work if you’re ahead.  And even then it often doesn’t work. (Ask the Cleveland Browns.)

Although there are similarities to the campaign Romney’s running today and the one Dukakis ran in 1988, the political envorinment was starkly different. In 1988, Dukakis ran a distinctly non-ideological campaign because he had no other choice. Both the 1980 and 1984 campaigns were ideological in nature, and liberalism suffered historic defeats. With Bush 41 running on Reaganism and effectively promising voters a “third” Reagan term, Dukakis would have had zero chance if he ran as a liberal. The Carter-Mondale years were still fresh in the minds of voters, and they were in no mood to return to those dark days of malaise. In short, voters were happy with the way the country was being run under Reagan, and didn’t want to return to liberalism.

But Romney has a choice. Voters have witnessed the devastation unfettered liberalism inflicts on an economy. Obama has seen to that. This is the best opportunity Republicans have had to mount an ideological campaign since 1980.

Unfortunately, however, the GOP Establishment, in their infinite wisdom, chose a candidate who appears incapable of advancing or even explaining conservatism; a candidate who prefers to avoid the possibility of offending some moderate in a swing state rather than inspiring him (or her) to rally to the conservative cause as Reagan did. For this reason, Romney effectively banned the Tea Party from his convention. Last week I predicted this would backfire and result in a smaller post-convention bounce, and that whatever small bounce Romney did receive would quickly fade in response to Obama’s bounce. Today’s Real Clear Politics polling averages bear this out. His approval rating, at 49.2% and rising, is the highest it’s been since the bin Laden raid, and dangerously close to that magic 50% number.

Obama’s surge in approval ratings is mirrored by his improvement in the horse race numbers with Mitt Romney. This is also from this afternoon’s RCP average.

Whatever momentum Romney was riding is long gone, and Team Mitt had better figure out how to generate enthusiasm — real, sustainable grass roots enthusiasm — for his campaign. Clearly his policy of ignoring Tea Party conservatives isn’t working. If he sticks to his DC insider, consultant-approved “Obama’s a nice but incompetent guy” routine, I don’t see how he turns these numbers around.

The fact is, Obama’s not a nice guy. He’s a narcissistic left-wing ideologue with a chip on his shoulder who’s hell bent on transforming America into something unrecognizable, a guy who’ll do anything, including flouting the constitution, to secure another four years so he can complete that transformation. And Romney considers him a nice guy? Ideologues can only be defeated with ideology, not platitudes designed to offend the least amount of people. Conservative ideas work every time they’re tried, liberal ideas do not, as the past four years make crystal clear. If we can’t make the conservative case in this economic environment, when can we?

The debates offer an opportunity for Romney to gain ground but, unlike in the primary debates, Mitt won’t have Ron Paul and Michele Bachmann around to jump to his defense every time he’s on the ropes. Goldberg’s point, I think, is that if voters aren’t given an alternative, the devil they know may well be preferable to the devil they don’t know. Ideas, even bad ones, trump no ideas. If the Romney brain trust, such as it is, doesn’t figure this out, and quickly, we’re in for another four long years of misery. Unfortunately, by that time it may be too late to prevent America from suffering a Greece-style collapse.

Update: (h/t xthred) Shocker: Romney indicated today that he won’t repeal all of Obamacare:

Mitt Romney says his pledge to repeal President Barack Obama’s health law doesn’t mean that young adults and those with medical conditions would no longer be guaranteed health care.

The Republican presidential nominee says he’ll replace the law with his own plan. He tells NBC’s “Meet the Press” that the plan he worked to pass while governor of Massachusetts deals with medical conditions and with young people.

Romney says he doesn’t plan to repeal of all of Obama’s signature health care plan. He says there are a number of initiatives he likes in the Affordable Care Act that he would keep in place if elected president.

So Romney wants to keep the preconditions coverage guarantee part of Obamacare. I have one simple question: Suppose I decide to eschew Homeowner’s insurance. If I do that can I expect an insurance company to insure my home after it catches on fire? Hello, Mr. Insurance provider. My house is on fire. I’d like to purchase an insurance policy effective right now to pay for this fire which is raging out of control and burning my house down? Oh wait, Obama says you must. Can anyone explain to me how this is insurance, and how insurance providers can possibly stay in business under this mandate? Anyone?


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1 posted on 09/10/2012 8:45:53 AM PDT by Bratch
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To: Bratch

Romney will lose Massachusetts because of RomneyCARE.
Americans HATE ObamaCARE/RomneyCARE.
But like Obama, Romney does not care.


2 posted on 09/10/2012 8:48:13 AM PDT by Diogenesis (Vi veri veniversum vivus vici)
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To: Bratch
One thing everyone seems to be missing here is the 09-11 effect.

There is a 4-5 point “rally to the flag” effect during the anniversary of 09-11. Like it or not the fact O was in charge when the Seals got Bin Laden is going to help him in the polls for the next week or so.

So the “hate Romney Always” Freepers might want to hold off on popping the corks from their Obama champagne bottles just yet.

3 posted on 09/10/2012 8:53:24 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: Bratch

You know what? Keep it up. Keep bashing Romney. When Obama wins, we lose. Got it?


4 posted on 09/10/2012 8:53:58 AM PDT by nagdt ("None of my EX's live in Texas")
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To: Bratch

Romney for reasons known only to him believes obama is a nice guy who is in over his head.
Now, if obama were a conservative Romney would eviscerate him.


5 posted on 09/10/2012 8:54:03 AM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: Bratch

GREGORY: Well, let me ask you about a couple of specific areas. On healthcare, you say that you would rescind the president’s healthcare plan on day one. Does that mean that you’re prepared to say to Americans, young adults and those with pre-existing conditions, that they would no longer be guaranteed healthcare?

MR. ROMNEY: Well, of course not. I say we’re going to replace Obamacare. And I’m replacing it with my own plan. And, you know, even in Massachusetts where I was governor, our plan there deals with pre-existing conditions and with young people. Everybody…

GREGORY: So you’d keep that part of the federal plan?

MR. ROMNEY: Well, I’m not getting rid of all of healthcare reform. Of course, there are a number of things that I like in healthcare reform that I’m going to put in place. One is to make sure that those with pre-existing conditions can get coverage. Two is to assure that the marketplace allows for individuals to have policies that cover their— their family up to whatever age they might like. I also want individuals to be able to buy insurance, health insurance, on their own as opposed to only being able to get it on a tax advantage basis through their company.


6 posted on 09/10/2012 8:54:19 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Bratch

This is a very good description of Mittens. Everyone should read this, at least the first six paragraphs or so.


7 posted on 09/10/2012 8:57:02 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Bratch

As a Palin fan, and a longtime contributor to C4P, this doesn’t do us any good at his point. Would Doug Brady prefer Obama over Romney? Not me.

If Romney loses Palin will get a strong shot at becoming the shadow leader on the right. And if he wins she will be a Tea Party leader that keeps Romney honest. And would have a good shot in 2020 (she’d be only 55).

So calm down with the circular firing squad right now.


8 posted on 09/10/2012 8:58:48 AM PDT by nhwingut (Sarah Palin 12... No One Else)
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To: Bratch

So, Palin’s upset and now she’s going to go after Romney?

I like Palin and think she’s gotten a raw deal from both the MSM and some of the GOP establishment, but it seems to me that her time to go after Romney was in the primaries.

Yet, given that opportunity, she passed. Once she passed, she needed to decide whether she wants the GOP candidate or Obama to win in November. Right now, it appears to me that she’s undecided.

By the way, can anyone provide a link to a good article explaining why Palin was not at the GOP convention. I read a lot, but there’s been precious little analysis of her failure to appear. I do know that she appeared mighty upset in an interview pre-convention. What’s going on here?


9 posted on 09/10/2012 9:00:23 AM PDT by Norseman (Defund the Left-Completely!)
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To: kabar

This is the type of questioning, which asks what do you say about reports that you beat your wife regularly.

Such stupid loaded questions from NBC and why on earth is Romney even doing these interviews!


10 posted on 09/10/2012 9:00:42 AM PDT by GregH
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To: Bratch

Romney can’t be a conservative, because he isn’t. It’s that simple. All of his current positions are flip-flops and oblunder is going to slaughter him with it in the debate. He’ll have Romney on his heels the entire time.


11 posted on 09/10/2012 9:01:53 AM PDT by gotribe
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To: Bratch
Yeah, Romney bad, Øbama good.
Good gawd, just how feckin' stooooopid are you?
12 posted on 09/10/2012 9:02:07 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: nhwingut

Keeping Romney honest - that is funny.
Romney says ‘I will repeal obamacare the first day in office’
Romney says ‘I will replace obamacare with Romneycare’
Romney says ‘I will fix obamacare by keeping some parts and not others’
Sorry which Romney are conservatives going to keep honest.


13 posted on 09/10/2012 9:04:36 AM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: oh8eleven; Bratch

Which article did you read where Bratch said “Romney bad, Øbama good”?


14 posted on 09/10/2012 9:07:49 AM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: svcw

>>Romney for reasons known only to him believes obama is a nice guy who is in over his head. Now, if obama were a conservative Romney would eviscerate him.<<

No, if people didn’t already know Obama, and hadn’t already voted for or against him in the past, then Romney should go negative and “eviscerate him.”

However, people who will never vote for Obama know exactly why they will never do so. What “he’s a nice guy, but...” ads are going after are the voters who has already voted once for Obama (and remember, that’s a majority of voters in most of the swing states) and have to be convinced that while their previous vote was understandable, they now need to reassess the situation and vote against Obama.

You don’t accomplish this by trying to convince them that they were idiots the first time they voted, regardless whether that’s your personal opinion of them. You accomplish it by pointing out how the policies he’s advocated are not working, and it’s time to vote in someone who will try a different policy tack. The swing voters they’re going for don’t have a clue whether Romney’s preferred policies will work, just like they didn’t have a clue whether Obama’s would. Not everyone is an economist, after all.

They’re just looking for someone they can trust to put in charge of the country, and you would be surprised at how many of those people in the middle are completely turned off by someone going negative. They don’t understand, or care about, the policy details; they just don’t want someone who’s always tearing people down to be their candidate, and too much negative campaigning will lose their votes.


15 posted on 09/10/2012 9:12:36 AM PDT by Norseman (Defund the Left-Completely!)
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To: Bratch

I just wish Romesty would shut up completely and let his surrogates do the talking. Just shut up . . . get this illegal alien out of our White House and then he can do stupid things like keeping parts of Obamacare . . . at least the jug eared moron will be out of our White HOuse.

Please, Mittens, just shut up. There are millions of Conservatives that are going to have to hold their nose to vote for you because you are a big “D” democrat. Please, shut up.


16 posted on 09/10/2012 9:12:54 AM PDT by laweeks
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To: Bratch

I am not yet at the point where I will accuse Romney of going weak “McCain” on Obama, but it certainly appears that way. However, I am terribly disturbed that both Mitt Romney & Paul Ryan took a “Republican Country Club” weekend off this past weekend. You know, I really do not mind if Romney/Ryan go down to defeat against Obama/Biden, but.......the truth be known....it is not about Romney nor Ryan, it’s about the destruction of the USA as a free nation!!! If Obama wins, you can kiss the USA goodbye. Look,,,,,fools....there is no such thing as a free lunch, period. Sooner, rather then later, the “Obama Stash” taxpayer money is going to run out and, then there will shortly follow riots and war in our streets!!!

I do not want Romney /Ryan to rest for one minute. I want them tearing Obama to shreds politically, every day, every hour, every minute. Obama is not a “nice” guy. He is an evil man, intent on taking America down, period. As for me, I am the over-the-hill-gang, and will soon be pushing flowers up from my resting place. It’s you young folks that will have to survive the horror that is coming!!! I have done my best, and will continue as such, until the Lord, God almighty takes me home!!!


17 posted on 09/10/2012 9:14:31 AM PDT by JLAGRAYFOX (My only objective is defeat and destroy Obama & his Democrat Party, politically!!!)
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To: Norseman

Ok, we get it, you apparently do not like Palin, because she isn’t dancing to your tune.
So much for keeping Romney’s feet to the fire........
now don’t be critical of Romney,
do not talk about his liberal record,
don’t talk now about his flip flops.......
If he gets elected we will hear the same drum beat.......
don’t be critical he is our president now,
don’t press to hard the 2014 mid term elections are coming up,
don’t be critical the 2016 election is coming up don’t want to give the dems any ammunition.
When is this mythical “feet to the fire going to happen”?


18 posted on 09/10/2012 9:15:35 AM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: Bratch

Pssst...don’t know if anybody’s told ya yet, but Romney didn’t say that.

Take a listening/reading comprehension course and call us in the morning.


19 posted on 09/10/2012 9:15:51 AM PDT by txrangerette ("HOLD TO THE TRUTH...SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR." - Glenn Beck)
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To: Bratch

I sure wish people would quit jumping on this bandwagon. He did not say he’s keeping parts of Obamacare. The plan is to repeal it and replace it with a sensible reform bill. To repeal w/o drafting a better bill would be stupid. Yes ... there needs to be some reform. Just not Obama’s idea of reform.


20 posted on 09/10/2012 9:16:33 AM PDT by al_c (http://www.blowoutcongress.com)
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To: GregH
I have no problem with doing the interviews. The problem is that Romney should follow Newt's example and confront the press for its bias. Romney should have used the forum to attack Obamacare rather than comment on what was in his health care reform plans.

Gregory knew full well that the parts of Obamacare that receive the highest approval are the preexisting condition and keeping children till age 26 on their parent's insurance provisions. That was the point of the question, i.e., to get Romney on the record one way or another for use by the Dems.

Romney could have turned that around and said why it was necessary to repeal Obamacare citing some details and then say that his replacement health care plan would address these issues and others in a bipartisan way. Of course, the press would then say that Romney will eliminate preexisting coverage, children up to age 26, etc. It was a no win solution by design.

But at no point did Romney ever say he was keeping parts of Obamacare. He never mentioned it. The MSM lies and distorts. And unfortunately, many conservatives then run with it like they did against Akin. We will never please the MSM. We should view and treat them like the enemy.

21 posted on 09/10/2012 9:16:51 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Norseman

Then Romney should just roll over and play dead.


22 posted on 09/10/2012 9:17:51 AM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: Bratch

Those interested in health care have been waiting for a long time to see what replacement the GOP has in mind when it says ‘Repeal and Replace’. Mitch has been woefully silent. The hardest part of Romney’s campaign in ahead as reporters continue to press him for specifics. Romney’s plan to grab the pot without showing his cards is in for some rough times.


23 posted on 09/10/2012 9:19:26 AM PDT by ex-snook (without forgiveness there is no Christianity)
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To: kabar

It is a bit disconcerting that Romney who has been running for president for a long while, does not understand the tactics of the MSM.

He could have easily turned the tables on Gregory like Newt would have done, but intead gave a honest reply which was deliberately misinterpretated.

If Romney cannot tackle the MSM at their own game! He is not going to be President period. Republicans who win elections are not prone to such mistakes.


24 posted on 09/10/2012 9:28:26 AM PDT by GregH
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To: Diogenesis

At a time when the country’s future is literally at stake as a free nation, Republicans end up picking a candidate who’s signature legislation as governor was to impliment the very kind of policy we now want him to repeal and to top it off, he won’t even win his home state of Massachusetts and probably won’t even win the state he group up in, Michigan. How does it get any more screwed up than this??


25 posted on 09/10/2012 9:28:26 AM PDT by MachIV
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To: nagdt

The author is not saying he wants Romney to lose.

The author is saying that if Romney continues on the present path, he’s afraid Romney will lose.

Big difference.


26 posted on 09/10/2012 9:31:11 AM PDT by Bratch
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To: Bratch
Where in the Constitution does it guarantee health care for all? isn't America facing more critical issues? this was rammed down our throats so fast by Obama and the Dem's..became a major issue with conservatives and as Reagan would say, “there you go again”
As for repealing Obamacare...it won't be as easy as Romney thinks. Once the govt gets their greedy paws into any program..it snowballs. God help America.
27 posted on 09/10/2012 9:31:30 AM PDT by katiedidit1 (Constitutionalist..period)
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To: katiedidit1

Mr. Romney has NO interest in repealing ObamaCARE.

Anyone who thinks so is a fool, or paid, or a supplicant.


28 posted on 09/10/2012 9:32:37 AM PDT by Diogenesis (Vi veri veniversum vivus vici)
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To: kabar

I dont see whats wrong with Mitt saying he would make sure people with pre-existing conditions still can get covered.

To come out against that, would turn off a ton of swing voters..Lets be realistic, people.


29 posted on 09/10/2012 9:34:06 AM PDT by HailReagan78
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To: Bratch

There is nothing wrong with Romney saying there are some aspects of Obamacare he would keep.

Romney cannot run and win just by saying he will kill Obanmacare - he has to offer improvements over the pre-Obama system and make changes that should have been made 12 years ago anyway.

In fact, it is republicans who brought this Obama nightmare down on America.
If republicans during the George Bush years had governed responsibly, including making some positive changes affecting health care insurance, we probably would not have Obamacare today - and maybe Obama would never have been elected.

Instead they acted like liberal pigs at the trough and outdid democrats in stuffing their pockets, spending money we don’t have and then to top it off they blatantly ignored their own base.

Their (president Bush and congress) choice to govern as liberals and act like democrats is what led to the election of Obama and gave us the pitiful mess we have today.

They could have (should have) passed some basic reforms affecting medical insurance like these:

- Make cost of medical insurance purchased by individuals tax deductible just like it is for companies and organizations.

- Allow shopping for medical insurance across state lines.

- Require insurance companies to allow children and other family members to be carried on individual policies. (and charge appropriate fees for it)

- Require insurance companies to cover pre-existing conditions. (and charge appropriate fees for it)


30 posted on 09/10/2012 9:35:11 AM PDT by Iron Munro ("In any compromise between good and evil, it is only evil that can profit." - Ayn Rand)
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To: Norseman

Good post.


31 posted on 09/10/2012 9:37:42 AM PDT by marron
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To: GregH
You are setting an unreasonable standard. Mistakes will be made. It is the nature of the game. The MSM amplifies the Rep mistakes and minimizes those made by the Dems.

Now the MSM is going after Ryan on a statement he made about his marathon time some 20 years ago.

We need to confront the MSM. Romney is no dummy. We have a little less than two months to go. It is a long time in terms of elections. The first debate will be critical to show a side by side comparison of the candidates. I worry that the MSM is moderating the debates especially if they leak the questions to the WH beforehand. But I think Romney will do well against Obama in this forum. It could be a gamechanger. No filters.

32 posted on 09/10/2012 9:53:05 AM PDT by kabar
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To: HailReagan78

Agree.


33 posted on 09/10/2012 9:54:18 AM PDT by kabar
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To: MachIV

How does it get more screwed up than this?

Think 2000, 2004, 2008, and 2012...

And then think 2016, 2020, 2024...

Be sure to send those cards of thanks to the Republican early primary voters, and the Democrats who are voting with them.

And then remember, the RNC doesn’t have any problem with this whatsoever.

Every election our fellow Republicans and their Democrat friends pick us another steaming pile of a pasture patty as a candidate, this nation goes down further and further.

Frankly, both parties seem to want this nation go fail, and I don’t mean in the future either. They’re doing their best to make sure it happens ASAP.


34 posted on 09/10/2012 10:06:30 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Americans want what Americans always wanted: Better lives for families; little government authority.)
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To: svcw

Not when. Where? In their mythical brain of course.


35 posted on 09/10/2012 10:08:21 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Americans want what Americans always wanted: Better lives for families; little government authority.)
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To: Norseman
So, Palin’s upset and now she’s going to go after Romney?

This article isn't written by Sarah Palin. She has nothing to do with it.


PALIN:" No no no no! Please go vote! Let me ask you — man, do me a favor. If this go-around you don’t know who you dislike more or like more, Romney or Obama — this go-around, give Romney a shot.

We don’t want to repeat the failed policies of President Obama. That’s insanity, to repeat the same failures over and over again and expect a different result."

36 posted on 09/10/2012 10:11:48 AM PDT by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: Bratch

Idiots.

A conservative economist a few months ago (in the WSJ) explained Congressional history, what is already taking place and scheduled to take place in the next two years alone, due to Obamacare and how unlikely and how expensive repeal of Obamacare will become if it does not happen by 2014. By then the cost of repeal will set many in Congress for looking at ways to simply “trim” what Obamacare is already doing.

Obamacare has to be repealed, and then health care reform can be put through its hoops in a GOP Congress.

If anyone is concerned about what Romney may want in health care reform, take it up in the next GOP Congress, after Obamacare is repealed.

Wait another four years and the likelihood of repeal is nearly assured. That will be the way of Washington, D.C.


37 posted on 09/10/2012 10:41:06 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: Wuli

Explain to me why/how the Republican congress will send a bill to over turn of obamacare to Romney, when Romney is now saying he just wants to tweak it.


38 posted on 09/10/2012 11:11:52 AM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: nagdt

Yes, I think we’ve got it. If Romney loses, you are going to blame the few Conservatives who weren’t enthused with him, instead of blaming him for running a lackluster campaign. Is that about right?


39 posted on 09/10/2012 11:16:23 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Wuli

Every one has to face reality. (Prepare your life for either one of them so you do not drive yourselves insane. Work for the person on the ground that you see fit in doing so for) This issue will not go away. A lot of people want Obamacare repealed; not by keeping parts with the government being involved. It’s like Brit Hume said over a year ago about Romney’s problem was always going to be Romneycare and suggested strongly for him to move pass this obstacle by admitting it was a mistake versus being defensive and arguing of being satisfied with the program. Now, we see Romney is not only defending his Romneycare but admitting that he will keep some of Obamacare. This keeps giving mixed signals to the undecided voter.

We have to remember Romney’s people wrote the blueprint to what Obama pushed through on the American people. If Romney wins, it will be the fear of Obama pushing him to win. It will not be patriotic citizens carrying the flag for him like my 72 year old friend says. Someone has to guide him before it’s too late. His handlers are liberals. Romney thinks Obama is a good guy. Okay, maybe a good dad but repecting/obeys the constitution. No. Romney is basically a democrat. Sometimes, you wonder if the Gop-e just does not want to win nor have a desire to fight. Look at them/call their offices-they say to people-”we have to be careful in what we say” You can’t win with this type of weakness in my thinking. Our convention was boring, just okay. The other side made their base energized. The night of Clinton’s speech, one left wing blog had over 12,000 comments and the night of Michelle’s was high in comments as well. If Clinton helps Obama to win, it’s a cake walk for Hillary (think about it) Their agenda is almost passed. Clinton is headed to Florida to campaign. We should be double digits ahead but we have this nonsense going on as always the insiders don’t want to lead as the base would like for them to do. Please everyone help the Senatorial/Congressional offices in an event that we do not win the presidency.


40 posted on 09/10/2012 11:18:21 AM PDT by Christie at the beach (I like Newt.)
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To: Christie at the beach

My comments (the first and the current) were suppose to be linked to the author of the thread. I am sorry...I will be glad to see the day when people stop blaming conservatives for this mess. Yes, we can blame the division on not coming together on Newt or one of the others over Mitt but the GOP-e promised Mitt this election and now we got these problems. The more you criticize the conservatives, it ties into the scenario that conservatives are just extremists by the left so wise up.


41 posted on 09/10/2012 11:38:14 AM PDT by Christie at the beach (I like Newt.)
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To: Norseman
By the way, can anyone provide a link to a good article explaining why Palin was not at the GOP convention.

Couple of versions one or the other is probably corect.

She was not invited.
She refused to have her address pre-approved.(Edited)

42 posted on 09/10/2012 11:41:53 AM PDT by itsahoot (Write in Palin in 2012. That is 1 vote for Palin, 0 votes for Romney and Zer0 votes for Obama.)
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To: itsahoot
->>She refused to have her address pre-approved.(Edited)

I heard her say this to Greta. I forget her words exactly.

She was saying that she was going to set up outside the convention hall...to keep the TP energized and thank them for their work. Never happened. Romney did not want her there or people like her.

43 posted on 09/10/2012 11:47:15 AM PDT by Christie at the beach (I like Newt.)
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To: svcw

>>Explain to me why/how the Republican congress will send a bill to over turn of obamacare to Romney, when Romney is now saying he just wants to tweak it.<<

Romney is not saying he just wants to “tweak” Obamacare. What he IS saying is that every goal in Obamacare is not objectionable.

For example, if a reasonable way to deal with pre-existing conditions can be found (and I believe it can), then why wouldn’t you want a Republican plan, or a Republican/Democrat plan for that matter, to address that issue?

If young people need and want insurance, why wouldn’t you look for a way to see that they can get insured, as long as it’s in a way that aligns with free-market principles?

For that matter, the goal of Obamacare is to attempt to get every American insured. It fails, but isn’t a goal of getting every American who wants to be insured onto some form of insurance a respectable goal, again, if it could be done in accordance with free market principles?

Romney in no way said he wants to “tweak” Obamacare. He says he wants to “repeal and replace” it. It’s very likely that some of the replacements are going to cover the same goals as Obamacare has. Hopefully, a replacement will be more effective at actually meeting those goals.


44 posted on 09/10/2012 1:17:28 PM PDT by Norseman (Defund the Left-Completely!)
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To: marron

Thank you.

I wonder if a good bumper sticker for moderates might be:

“Change and Hope: Vote Romney.”

It pretty much sums up how I think they’re feeling.


45 posted on 09/10/2012 1:20:34 PM PDT by Norseman (Defund the Left-Completely!)
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To: nhwingut
"If Romney loses Palin will get a strong shot at becoming the shadow leader on the right. And if he wins she will be a Tea Party leader that keeps Romney honest. And would have a good shot in 2020 (she’d be only 55)."

I was a huge Palin fan until she asked Todd Akin to step down. Such a wrong message. Her formidable political character was deeply dinged by that remark, in my opinion.

46 posted on 09/10/2012 1:23:28 PM PDT by NoRedTape
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To: NoRedTape
I was a huge Palin fan until she asked Todd Akin to step down. Such a wrong message. Her formidable political character was deeply dinged by that remark, in my opinion.

Sarah came to Missouri, and campaigned for Steelman. Akin in his 'big' interview changed the election to 'legitimate rape' and and and .... away from the literal world that affects Missourians. I do NOT blame Sarah Palin for asking Akin to step down, considering that he and he alone change the subject of how to defeat Claire. See now Clarie has spent the past year hunting tall grass to hide her Obama connections and Akin handed her a mink coat.

Only a very vocal few understood Akin's language, and it takes far more than a 30 second sound bit to explain. When daily survival for the majority of Missourians is NOT about 'legitimate rape', but daily survival of high gas prices, food prices and a long drought and searing heat wave!!! Akin made this mess, but I will still vote for him if he remains on the ballot.

47 posted on 09/10/2012 1:33:42 PM PDT by Just mythoughts (Please help Todd Akin defeat Claire and the GOP-e send money!!!!!)
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To: Bratch
Voters have witnessed the devastation unfettered liberalism inflicts on an economy. Obama has seen to that. This is the best opportunity Republicans have had to mount an ideological campaign since 1980.

Problem is Obama keeps blaming Bush and the Republican party for the collapse and he has a compelling case for it, since the economic collapse happened at the end of Bush's term. The Republicans have made no effort to defend Bush, nor to blame the Democrat Congress for being in bed with Fannie/Freddie, nor to blame Obama for working with Acorn to force banks to give loans to people who couldn't pay them back, which are the true roots of the housing bubble.

It may in fact be the Republicans' failure to defend Bush, their limpwristed, wimpy impulse to throw a fellow Republican under the bus every time the liberal media attacks one, that allows Obama to win reelection. They have ceded the argument that Republicans caused the economic collapse to the other side. Why would the public ever want to vote back in a party that causes economic collapses?

48 posted on 09/10/2012 1:57:18 PM PDT by JediJones (Grow your own dope...plant a Democrat.)
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To: nhwingut
As a Palin fan, and a longtime contributor to C4P, this doesn’t do us any good at his point.

So the Romney campaign is now beyond critique? No matter how terribly they run their campaign into the ground, we're just supposed to say "rah, rah, go, team!" and not offer them any advice, no matter how desperately they need it? So even if Romney decides to strap a dog to the top of his campaign bus for the next 2 months, we just have to sit back and either ignore it or tell everyone that it's a good idea because the dog will attract much-needed attention? I'm a free speech conservative, not a "get to the back of the bus and keep your mouth shut so we can drive it over a cliff" conservative.

49 posted on 09/10/2012 2:11:15 PM PDT by JediJones (Grow your own dope...plant a Democrat.)
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To: Bratch
I was comparing Romney to Dukakis back on March 22nd. So once again, fellow Republicans, don't say you weren't warned and that Romney's candidacy wasn't an entirely preventable error.

Romney has the charisma of Michael Dukakis, the likability of John Kerry, the natural warmth of Richard Nixon, the honesty of Bill Clinton, the business ethics of Michael Milken, the populist appeal of Thurston Howell, III, the socialist leanings of Barack Obama and he practices the weirdest religion outside of Scientology. A candidate like that just screams electability.

32 posted on Thursday, March 22, 2012 2:01:26 PM by JediJones (The Divided States of Obama's Declaration of Dependence: Death, Taxes and the Pursuit of Crappiness)

50 posted on 09/10/2012 2:13:36 PM PDT by JediJones (Grow your own dope...plant a Democrat.)
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