Posted on 09/10/2012 8:45:49 AM PDT by Bratch
My comments (the first and the current) were suppose to be linked to the author of the thread. I am sorry...I will be glad to see the day when people stop blaming conservatives for this mess. Yes, we can blame the division on not coming together on Newt or one of the others over Mitt but the GOP-e promised Mitt this election and now we got these problems. The more you criticize the conservatives, it ties into the scenario that conservatives are just extremists by the left so wise up.
Couple of versions one or the other is probably corect.
She was not invited.
She refused to have her address pre-approved.(Edited)
I heard her say this to Greta. I forget her words exactly.
She was saying that she was going to set up outside the convention hall...to keep the TP energized and thank them for their work. Never happened. Romney did not want her there or people like her.
>>Explain to me why/how the Republican congress will send a bill to over turn of obamacare to Romney, when Romney is now saying he just wants to tweak it.<<
Romney is not saying he just wants to “tweak” Obamacare. What he IS saying is that every goal in Obamacare is not objectionable.
For example, if a reasonable way to deal with pre-existing conditions can be found (and I believe it can), then why wouldn’t you want a Republican plan, or a Republican/Democrat plan for that matter, to address that issue?
If young people need and want insurance, why wouldn’t you look for a way to see that they can get insured, as long as it’s in a way that aligns with free-market principles?
For that matter, the goal of Obamacare is to attempt to get every American insured. It fails, but isn’t a goal of getting every American who wants to be insured onto some form of insurance a respectable goal, again, if it could be done in accordance with free market principles?
Romney in no way said he wants to “tweak” Obamacare. He says he wants to “repeal and replace” it. It’s very likely that some of the replacements are going to cover the same goals as Obamacare has. Hopefully, a replacement will be more effective at actually meeting those goals.
Thank you.
I wonder if a good bumper sticker for moderates might be:
“Change and Hope: Vote Romney.”
It pretty much sums up how I think they’re feeling.
I was a huge Palin fan until she asked Todd Akin to step down. Such a wrong message. Her formidable political character was deeply dinged by that remark, in my opinion.
Sarah came to Missouri, and campaigned for Steelman. Akin in his 'big' interview changed the election to 'legitimate rape' and and and .... away from the literal world that affects Missourians. I do NOT blame Sarah Palin for asking Akin to step down, considering that he and he alone change the subject of how to defeat Claire. See now Clarie has spent the past year hunting tall grass to hide her Obama connections and Akin handed her a mink coat.
Only a very vocal few understood Akin's language, and it takes far more than a 30 second sound bit to explain. When daily survival for the majority of Missourians is NOT about 'legitimate rape', but daily survival of high gas prices, food prices and a long drought and searing heat wave!!! Akin made this mess, but I will still vote for him if he remains on the ballot.
Problem is Obama keeps blaming Bush and the Republican party for the collapse and he has a compelling case for it, since the economic collapse happened at the end of Bush's term. The Republicans have made no effort to defend Bush, nor to blame the Democrat Congress for being in bed with Fannie/Freddie, nor to blame Obama for working with Acorn to force banks to give loans to people who couldn't pay them back, which are the true roots of the housing bubble.
It may in fact be the Republicans' failure to defend Bush, their limpwristed, wimpy impulse to throw a fellow Republican under the bus every time the liberal media attacks one, that allows Obama to win reelection. They have ceded the argument that Republicans caused the economic collapse to the other side. Why would the public ever want to vote back in a party that causes economic collapses?
So the Romney campaign is now beyond critique? No matter how terribly they run their campaign into the ground, we're just supposed to say "rah, rah, go, team!" and not offer them any advice, no matter how desperately they need it? So even if Romney decides to strap a dog to the top of his campaign bus for the next 2 months, we just have to sit back and either ignore it or tell everyone that it's a good idea because the dog will attract much-needed attention? I'm a free speech conservative, not a "get to the back of the bus and keep your mouth shut so we can drive it over a cliff" conservative.
Romney has the charisma of Michael Dukakis, the likability of John Kerry, the natural warmth of Richard Nixon, the honesty of Bill Clinton, the business ethics of Michael Milken, the populist appeal of Thurston Howell, III, the socialist leanings of Barack Obama and he practices the weirdest religion outside of Scientology. A candidate like that just screams electability.
32 posted on Thursday, March 22, 2012 2:01:26 PM by JediJones (The Divided States of Obama's Declaration of Dependence: Death, Taxes and the Pursuit of Crappiness)
“Now, we see Romney is not only defending his Romneycare but admitting that he will keep some of Obamacare”
Romney did not defend, say he liked, or say he would keep any part of Obamacare. the law; Obamacare as in any provision of it the way it was establioshed by Obamacare.
He said there were two areas of “heath care/insurance REFORM” that he agreed were REFORMS that were needed - “pre-exisiting conditions” and older-age children getting coverage on their parents plans. It was not an agreement with Obamacare on those items, in any way. He did not say he would adopt the kind of provisions for them that was done in Obamacare; in fact, his language about them suggests very different approaches to them than in Obamacare.
The GOP in the House had their own market-based reforms for those two areas that were never even considered by the Dims. I am sure Romney will have to get his own ideas past the GOP in Congress and will not have a party as compliant on the matter as was the Dims with Obama.
But if you prefer to wait for Saint Sarah, go ahead. Meanwhile the rest of us prefer to fight Romney if we have to through our friends in Congress and not wait for four more years of “Executive Privilege” to fully implement Obamacare across the economy.
“when Romney is now saying he just wants to tweak it”
Romney does not say he wants to “tweak it” - the Obamacare law, in fact he said he wants to repeal it.
Health care/insurance reform is a bigger subject than simply “Obamacare”. The GOP has been also in favor of some kinds of health insurance reform.
There were two areas of health insurance reform - not “Obamacare”, the law - that Romney said he too would propose reforms on - “pre-existing conditions” and older children keeping coverage on their parents insurance.
He did not say he wanted to “tweak” how Oabamcare dealt with those issues, nor did he defend how Obamacare dealt with them, no did he defend or say he “liked” any part of Obamacare.
So get yourself past the idea that all health insurance reform, of anykind, equals “Romneycare” or “Obamacare”, and check out some reputable Conservative think tanks like the Heritage Foundation or the American Enterprise Institute or the Cato Institute and disabuse yourself of the idea that only Liberals/Progressives/Marxists would like to see some kinds of health insurance reforms - though not “Obamacare”.
Akin will remain on the ballot. And, there’s no reason for Palin or Romney to have asked him to step-down......and no reason for Akin’s pro-life supporter - Paul Ryan - to have been asked to jump on the bandwagon to have Akin step down. Akin mispoke, is all. His pro-life message was at the heart. Once again the GOP elite muffed that and showed their RINO tendencies by working against Akin.
We are not talking about reform this is about obamacare.
Yes, Romney did say he would repeal obamacare the first day.
And yes, he did say he liked parts of obamaccare which he would keep.
I am just asking how a person squares what Romney is saying now with what he said before total repeal of obamacare.
*On Mitt Romney Sunday on MTP, said he would retain elements of President Barack Obama’s health care
*Romney has said, I will repeal obamacare the first day.
Again, how are you resolving those two statements.
Akin and a few of his 'poor' but vocal supporters wanted to have a conversation about 'legitimate rape'. Personally, I did not understand his language. AND I know that there is not one person that I relate to daily, weekly or monthly have as their main priority a discussion about 'legitimate rape'.
I will vote for him if he remains on the ballot, but I sure am NOT going to spend my time attempting to educate the unlearned of Akin speak about what he said. And no, I have not called for him to step down, but I sure do expect his vocal supporters to send him money, considering they demanded him to stay in the race. I know who the GOP-e are and expecting them to send 'money' for Akin's election is like expecting Obama to stop redistributing this nation's wealth.
yes?, your telling us what?
That if FoxNews uses the phrase “Romney...likes parts of Obamacare”, that means that Romney said “I like parts of Obamacare” even when the quote for Romney is right there and that is not what he said????
You need to separate Romney’s own words from how the reporter spoke of them.
Romney spoke of health care reform, not Obamacare. One is a subject that did have GOP support, the other is a law that ignored any GOP input to it.
Any issue, such as “pre-existing conditions” is more than just the issue, it’s how the law does or does not attempt to deal with it. To imply that any “pre-existing conditions” reform is, must and will be a duplicate of how the issue is handled in Obamacare - as if there is only one way to reform that issue, is nothing less than ignorance of the subject.
And to suggest that anyone who wants to reform it “likes Obamacare”, or even “likes” how Obamacare dealt with it is also just ignorance.
If you cannot separate “health care/insurance reform” in your mind from Obamacare, then please stay out of these threads. No one can tell you anything, you’re already convinced yourself that all healthcare/insurance reform is an Obamacare redo.
Actually, Mitt's not so very different from typical Republicans of years gone by: Tom Dewey, Everett Dirksen, Bill Scranton, George Romney, Hugh Scott, Chuck Percy, John Heinz, John Warner.
Somebody's going to say that they were all losers. Maybe, maybe not, but that's true of most politicians. Losers abound. Winners are rare, whatever their ideology.
“And yes, he did say he liked parts of obamaccare which he would keep.”
No he did not.
*On Mitt Romney Sunday on MTP, said he would retain elements of President Barack Obama’s health care”
You’re quoting the reporter, not Mitt Romney.
He never said he would “retain” any part of “Obamacare”. He never even said he would “retain” any part of the “Affordable Care Act” - the official name of Obamacare in the law.
What he said was:
“Of course there are a number of things that I like in health care reform that I’m going to put in place,”.....’One is to make sure that those with pre-existing conditions can get coverage.” ....Romney also said he would allow young adults to keep their coverage under their parents’ health-insurance.”
Is he talking about Obamacare? No. He is talking about the general subject of health care reform. He mentions two areas of reform - not of Obamacare, not of how they were treated in Obamacare, just two areas of reforms.
And were there more than just the “Obamacare” versions of health care reform - from the GOP, and including those two areas? Yes. And were any of the GOP ideas in those two areas even allowed to be submitted as possibilitities, as amendments, in Obamcare - no of course not.
But to suggest that (a) if you want to reform those two areas, you simply want such reforms as Obamacare imposed for them, and (B) anyone proposing to include those two areas as areas in GOP health insurance reform, simply likes, or wants to duplicate Obamacare reflects a lack of understanding and puts the word “Obamacare” in the mouth of anyone who attempts to discuss them.
Repeat after me: Obamacare and health insurance reform are not synonyms.
Just remember, folks, for the Liberals the “good” parts of Obamacare are the individual mandate, the death panels and the government incursion into religious freedom.
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