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CPS strike updates: 'What am I supposed to do with my kid?'
Chicago Tribune ^ | September 10, 2012 | staff reporters

Posted on 09/10/2012 9:43:33 AM PDT by yoe

Negotiators for the Chicago Public Schools and the Chicago Teachers Union are back at the bargaining table this morning.

The talks began around 10 a.m.

10:30 a.m. Some students balk at crossing pickets

(Excerpt) Read more at chicagotribune.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: chicago; democrats; democratutopia; publiceducation
If all cities across the nation could hire good teachers and fire bad ones, most citizens would be in favor of raising the teacher pay....as it is pay raises or more money for education never reaches the students. Most K - third grade teachers use their own meager salaries to get the supplies they need to their class rooms. If these teachers would speak up as a group, not as a union, America would come to their aid. But speaking as a union will not help.

The father who can afford to stay home with his boys should begin homeschooling them, to heck with the school system it is for the Teachers Unions anyway, not for the betterment of teaching skill or aptitude of the student.

1 posted on 09/10/2012 9:43:37 AM PDT by yoe
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To: yoe

Those teachers make more money than most of the people who are paying them.


2 posted on 09/10/2012 9:46:11 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: yoe
Oh Please....The average salary is $71,000(That's $50.00 per hour...and that's for 180 days....PLUS BENEFITS.

Meager salaries went out the window 40 years ago.

3 posted on 09/10/2012 9:47:30 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: yoe
The father who can afford to stay home with his boys should begin homeschooling them...

Sending children to the gov't school system should be a desparate last resort. All other possibilities should be completely exhausted first.
4 posted on 09/10/2012 9:48:41 AM PDT by Sopater (...where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. - 2 COR 3:17b)
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To: yoe

http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/The-312/June-2011/Chicago-Teacher-Salaries-The-Long-View/


5 posted on 09/10/2012 9:49:53 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: yoe

IS it all theater so that O can come into his beloved Chicago a set things aright?


6 posted on 09/10/2012 9:50:46 AM PDT by all the best (`~!)
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To: yoe
'What am I supposed to do with my kid?'

Congrats, Chicago.
Ye reap what ye sow.

For you, I have no sympathy.

7 posted on 09/10/2012 9:50:53 AM PDT by grobdriver (Proud Member, Party of No! Nobama, No Way, No How!)
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To: all the best

Yes, Rahmbo and Obamugabe want to manufacture a crisis and have an October surprise to quell the violence.

The rejected a 16% pay raise.

F the Unions.


8 posted on 09/10/2012 9:55:47 AM PDT by wac3rd (Somewhere in Hell, Ted Kennedy snickers.....)
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To: wac3rd

Offer the teachers an immediate 20% pay hike if they get rid of the union.


9 posted on 09/10/2012 9:58:32 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (ABO 2012)
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To: yoe
Wealth Redistribution - It's fo' da chi'rens.


10 posted on 09/10/2012 10:01:00 AM PDT by Iron Munro ("In any compromise between good and evil, it is only evil that can profit." - Ayn Rand)
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To: yoe
"What am I supposed to do with my kid?"

Take him out to watch what happens to a city that is completely dominated by public union supporting Democrats. These parents will bitch and moan about this but will then show up in November and vote for the Dems that set up the system that allows this to happen.

11 posted on 09/10/2012 10:01:33 AM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: Opinionated Blowhard

Who gonna feed da chi’rens now ?


12 posted on 09/10/2012 10:06:52 AM PDT by Einherjar ( Asking only workman's wages I come looking for a job But I get no offers...Just a come-on from the)
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To: yoe

ha


13 posted on 09/10/2012 10:07:07 AM PDT by Tzimisce (THIS SUCKS)
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To: yoe

My grandson in Corvalls, OR started kindergarten today. HALF the day Spanish ONLY is spoken! This is outrageous. He should be learning math and reading and half of his time is wasted. I’m going there to visit next week and will be going to his class to observe.


14 posted on 09/10/2012 10:09:53 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: yoe

We keep moving further and further out of the reach of the liberal rot that has infected Minneapolis, Saint Paul and the inner ring suburbs.

We bought our house not based on the house, but where it was first. One of the best school districts in the state, I even sat in on several classes my kids would be in. I arrived unexpected so they did not have time to change things to look good for me.

The fact that the house was almost completely updated last year and on a lake is just icing on the cake.

I just drove it this morning. 60 minutes to downtown Minneapolis. Gas just hit 3.89 a gallon. It’s worth it to have my kids in a good school although I am considering a smaller van for a few extra MPG.

My suggestion to those in Chicago.. GTFO!


15 posted on 09/10/2012 10:12:51 AM PDT by cableguymn
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To: Einherjar
Who gonna feed da chi’rens now ?

Actually, I heard that schools would be opened for at least breakfast and lunch. Not kidding either.
16 posted on 09/10/2012 10:13:49 AM PDT by mmichaels1970
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To: All

HEADLINE !

Heartless Chicago Teachers Union does not care if chi’rens
Go without free school lunch .


17 posted on 09/10/2012 10:14:04 AM PDT by Einherjar ( Asking only workman's wages I come looking for a job But I get no offers...Just a come-on from the)
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To: all the best
IS it all theater so that O can come into his beloved Chicago a set things aright?

That's Rush Limbaugh theory, he thinks that Rahm got together with the heads of the teachers unions and cooked this thing up. The strike will go on for a week or so with no resolution, then Obama will swoop in and resolve it in a day with both sides praising his "leadership". Then we will be treated to pictures of smiling teachers and little kids headed back to school all singing the praises of Obama.

18 posted on 09/10/2012 10:14:11 AM PDT by apillar
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To: Einherjar

Who gonna feed da chi’rens now ?


Don’t worry. I heard on the news the schools are open for breakfast and lunch.

(no.. really that is exactly what I heard!)


19 posted on 09/10/2012 10:14:11 AM PDT by cableguymn
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To: cableguymn
(no.. really that is exactly what I heard!)

lol...see post 16. It appears You and I heard the same thing and had the exact same reaction.
20 posted on 09/10/2012 10:18:29 AM PDT by mmichaels1970
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To: Sacajaweau

That’s an interesting time frame. Isn’t that around the time real education itself went out the same window?


21 posted on 09/10/2012 10:18:50 AM PDT by John W (Viva Cristo Rey!)
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To: yoe
most citizens would be in favor of raising the teacher pay

Not this FReeper. They work about 180 days a year. They make far more per hour than I do and that's only assuming that we all work a 40 hour week. I don't get a fall break, spring break, a winter break, a summer vacation break, all government holidays and free health benefits and pension.

No amount of increased spending ever made a child smarter. I don't care if it was higher teacher salaries, air conditioning, computers, fancier campus, swimming pool, gymnasiums, soccer fields, carpet floors, better lunches, etc. We don't hire "professionals" in public schools. We hire policy followers and box checkers.

My wife and I sacrifice mightily to send our kids to a private school. In return I have my kids educator's home and cellular phone numbers. The school REQUIRES certain involvement from the parents. This drives expectations at home and in the schools. Bad teachers don't last long in private schools and are paid far less than their public school counterparts. Why? Because they are passionate about what they do and take pride in success.

How are public schools measured, really? Graduation rates? Test Scores?

Private schools are acedemically competitive. Guidance counselors have to send letters to colleges explaining why Johnny's 1,200 SAT test score doesn't match up with only his top 50% class rank. It confuses and confounds the likes of Harvard, Columbia, Ivy League, etc. The same kid graduates with a 3.5 GPA from his private high school but is, pound for pound, far more prepared for college and life than his public school educated peer who graduated with a 3.9 in the top 15% of his class and only scored a 950 on the SATs.

Do public school teacher unions ever have these kinds of concerns or challenges with their students success? They haven't gotten past how to make sure a teacher isn't fired for child abuse. Its like cave men trying to relate to NASA.

22 posted on 09/10/2012 10:19:04 AM PDT by Tenacious 1 (The Click-&-Paste Media exists & works in Utopia, riding unicorns & sniffing pixy dust.)
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To: cableguymn

How dey gwon git to da skoo ? in some case they live as far aways a 2 blocks !


23 posted on 09/10/2012 10:20:07 AM PDT by Einherjar ( Asking only workman's wages I come looking for a job But I get no offers...Just a come-on from the)
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To: mmichaels1970

Our schools have free meals for po kids all summer long...and you don’t have to be in school either....


24 posted on 09/10/2012 10:21:12 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: GeronL
And they are probably much better educated than most people paying them ...

I don't know whether CPS teachers deserve more money or not; but, at least in theory, teachers should be educated, highly intelligent people who SHOULD make more money than grocery store clerks, burger-flippers, "security guards", etc, etc.

Now, is the current crop doing what they are paid for? If not, how do they deserve a raise?

25 posted on 09/10/2012 10:21:40 AM PDT by In Maryland (Our rights come from nature and God, not government. - Paul Ryan)
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To: Einherjar

probably running the skool buses too...

Or they could car jack something..

ride with their hommies in the caddi with air ride and rubber band tires..

or... gasp.... walk!


26 posted on 09/10/2012 10:24:56 AM PDT by cableguymn
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To: In Maryland

Those that can’t do.. teach.

I know a fellow that just retired from 30 years of professional welding.

He applied for a job at the school teaching a welding class 2 hours a day.

They turned him down because he did not have, nor could he get a teachers license (didn’t go to the right classes..) without 2 or 3 years of schooling.

This guy taught me how to weld to soda cans together. He can weld anything. Has all the proper certifications to weld anything, anywhere, for any reason.

Now, that right there is just stupid.


27 posted on 09/10/2012 10:30:06 AM PDT by cableguymn
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To: cableguymn

Most big city schools are nothing more than “free” food
distribution points,union paper pusher full-employment centers and warehouses for the yutes.

this just proves it.


28 posted on 09/10/2012 10:34:54 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: cableguymn

With state gubmint rules in MN, Henry Kissinger wouldn’t be allowed to teach a high school class on foreign affairs because he doesn’t have the proper “certifications”.


29 posted on 09/10/2012 10:38:13 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: yoe
Its the Left's WAR ON CHILDREN

Abort them in the womb, sacrifice their education to union interests, and destroy their future opportunity with massive Gov't debt and a hyper-regulated economy.

30 posted on 09/10/2012 10:41:03 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: Rusty0604
When I was in first grade, one of the kids' Bilingual French-Canadian grandparents volunteered to come in and teach us conversational French. Would have been a couple of hours a week, stuff like "Where's the bathroom" and "How to I get to.....".

It was nixed because the other parents didn't want us learning that (*stuff*). English was good enough for them, so it was good enough for us. Fools, all. It was an excellent opportunity wasted.

Now, if you're talking about "Spanish Immersion" schools - then you're absolutely right. Kids need to learn English, first (and math, science, etc etc). But, an opportunity for them to pick up a second language - in *addition to* not at the *detriment of* their studies - is one that should be taken, IMHO.

31 posted on 09/10/2012 10:41:03 AM PDT by wbill
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To: cableguymn
that right there is just stupid

I've got a BS in Electrical Engineering, and 20 year experience in IT. Once, in a fit of foolishness, I talked to Mrs WBill (a Community College teacher) about what it would take to pass on a lot of what I learned.

Forget it. I started a mentoring program at work, instead.

32 posted on 09/10/2012 10:44:37 AM PDT by wbill
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To: yoe

“Most K - third grade teachers use their own meager salaries to get the supplies they need to their class rooms. If these teachers would speak up as a group, not as a union, America would come to their aid. But speaking as a union will not help.”

Oh really? Is that why I pay tuition for my 5yo daughter to go to public school kindergarten, plus must provide class materials and my child’s materials, plus pay for busing and 2.50 per federally subsidized lunch as well as providing a snack for the class once per month? All that on top of a 37.5% increase in my property taxes last year and somehow I am supposed to sympathize? Yeah, I think not!


33 posted on 09/10/2012 10:47:16 AM PDT by jurroppi1
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To: yoe

Ha, a Freeper had this whine pegged already.


34 posted on 09/10/2012 10:53:47 AM PDT by bgill
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To: yoe
What are the odds a student, not in class, will be murdered or commit murder while their teachers are on strike?

We're talking Chicago here!

35 posted on 09/10/2012 11:32:12 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: wbill

I agree with you. Learning another language is a good thing. But this school is conducting an entire half day of class in Spanish, not just having a Spanish lesson.


36 posted on 09/10/2012 11:33:44 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: yoe

They average $71k per annum—hardly meager.


37 posted on 09/10/2012 12:13:49 PM PDT by dinodino
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To: yoe

‘What am I supposed to do with my kid?’

OMG!! What do they do with them in the summer when school is out??? GEEZ!


38 posted on 09/10/2012 1:08:28 PM PDT by Polyxene (Out of the depths I have cried to Thee, O Lord; Lord, hear my voice.)
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