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ABC/WashPost Poll: Obama Bump Dropped From 6 Points to ĎAbout Evení Saturday
NRO ^ | SEPTEMBER 11, 2012 | Jim Geraghty

Posted on 09/11/2012 5:34:05 AM PDT by RobinMasters

Republicans in a panic about Obama’s post-convention bump will probably find this morning’s ABC News/Washington Post poll reassuring:

Last week’s Democratic National Convention helped President Obama improve his standing against Republican Mitt Romney, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll, but did little to reduce voter concern about his handling of the economy.

The survey shows that the race remains close among likely voters, with Obama at 49 percent and Romney at 48 percent, virtually unchanged from a poll taken just before the conventions.

But among a wider sample of all registered voters, Obama holds an apparent edge, topping Romney at 50 percent to 44 percent, and has clear advantages on important issues in the campaign when compared with his rival.

The survey highlights why Obama continues to try to frame the election as a choice between himself and Romney, while Romney would like it to be a referendum on the president’s record.

(Excerpt) Read more at nationalreview.com ...


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1 posted on 09/11/2012 5:34:08 AM PDT by RobinMasters
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To: RobinMasters
http://www.langerresearch.com/uploads/1140a1AftertheConventions.pdf

The whole ABC polling samples are a joke.

“Thirty-two percent of registered voters in this poll identify themselves as Democrats, 26 percent as Republicans and 37 percent as independents, continuing a record four-year preponderance of independents in partisan preferences. The split is almost identical among likely voters, 33-27-36 percent, Democrats-Republicans-independents. Democrats outnumbered Republicans by 7 points in the 2008 election.”

2 posted on 09/11/2012 5:39:45 AM PDT by tobyhill (Obamacare, the final nail in the US coffin.)
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To: RobinMasters

OK now things start to return to normal.

Now Mitt get your VP out there!


3 posted on 09/11/2012 5:41:08 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (America doesn't need any new laws. America needs freedom!)
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To: RobinMasters
Key point...

Obama has a six-point edge among all voters based on interviews Friday, the day after the Democratic convention wrapped up. In interviews Saturday and Sunday, the two were about evenly matched among registered voters.
4 posted on 09/11/2012 5:41:21 AM PDT by nhwingut (Sarah Palin 12... No One Else)
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To: RobinMasters

Who in the world ARE the people who are so easily swayed by a convention? Are there really people who are so brain-dead and wishy-washy that a glitzy show can convince them to change their views for a couple of days and then they revert to their previous views? The whole notion of a “bump” from these events seems ridiculous.


5 posted on 09/11/2012 5:42:28 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: RobinMasters
"The survey shows that the race remains close among likely voters, with Obama at 49 percent and Romney at 48 percent, virtually unchanged from a poll taken just before the conventions."

Nope, I don't buy this one any more than the Gallup and Rasmussen polls. The numbers are too close. Look at the polls around the end of next week to see where we really are. (And start to know if we should buy more stocks, or more ammo.)

6 posted on 09/11/2012 5:42:44 AM PDT by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: RobinMasters

Never again will I allow the damn polls to so discomfort and destroy my morale as they did yesterday.

Screw them all.


7 posted on 09/11/2012 5:42:54 AM PDT by ZULU (See: http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=D9vQt6IXXaM&hd)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Some are weak minded, but most of what you see is the media trying to get some momentum for 0bama.
They must have some inside info showing a big slump and don’t want to be exposed for the shills they are when that slump comes out soon, so they’re tempering the decline with this news.


8 posted on 09/11/2012 5:44:10 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working fors)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
Who in the world ARE the people who are so easily swayed by a convention?

As I read the news snippet, I was about to ask the same question. "Oooh...a shiny object; I want one of those!"

9 posted on 09/11/2012 5:44:33 AM PDT by Lou L (Health "insurance" is NOT the same as health "care")
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Who in the world ARE the people who are so easily swayed by a convention? Are there really people who are so brain-dead and wishy-washy that a glitzy show can convince them to change their views for a couple of days and then they revert to their previous views? The whole notion of a “bump” from these events seems ridiculous.


There are many, many of the weak minded among us who fall prey to Jedi mind tricks. Fortunately, all it takes is one weekend when they run out of beer $$ to snap them out of it.


10 posted on 09/11/2012 5:44:57 AM PDT by rbg81
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To: Lou L

I guess the Choom gang high has worn off.


11 posted on 09/11/2012 5:46:17 AM PDT by mrs9x
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

“Now Mitt get your VP out there!”

...exactly! Mitt, you go yachting and have a cocktail. Ryan, get to work!


12 posted on 09/11/2012 5:46:32 AM PDT by albie
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To: RobinMasters

ABC and Washington Compost poll? Given the credibility of these two DNC propogandist tools, as well as all of the other “polling” created over the last few weeks, I’d say these results are about as credible as a Ted Kennedy neck brace.


13 posted on 09/11/2012 5:47:04 AM PDT by Common Sense 101 (Hey libs... If your theories fly in the face of reality, it's not reality that's wrong.)
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To: RobinMasters

Ban the polls, if they won’t we can.


14 posted on 09/11/2012 5:48:00 AM PDT by Eye of Unk (OPSEC)
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To: RobinMasters

The real point is that there never was a real bump. The MSM and the dems manufactured a bump coming off the rat convention to make it appear Odumbarse was going to sail to a win. So just give up people. Obama wins. Yeah right./sarc

They did this and people fell for it hook, line, and sinker.

I guess that is why they do what they always do.

Because they can.


15 posted on 09/11/2012 5:50:48 AM PDT by dforest
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
"Who in the world ARE the people who are so easily swayed by a convention?"

That's a damned good question.

If these polls purport to be an accurate representation of the populace, that would mean hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of people switched their opinion twice over a few day period.

I just don't buy it. These polls are rigged.

16 posted on 09/11/2012 5:50:59 AM PDT by SnuffaBolshevik (In a tornado, even turkeys can fly.)
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To: nhwingut

I told people this for weeks... Obama will get a breif bounce from the CLINTON speech... this will be Clinton NASTALGIA, nothing more and will fade in days.

So, Friday Polling shows a bounce, everyones on a bit of a high, the job report comes out, and poof gone. Its nonsense folks, everyone needs to relax.

Nothing changed with the conventions, other than Clinton showed up Obama at the Convention, and while the Clinton lovers and others got a little high from nastalgia, nothing changed.

This race isn’t close, I don’t believe it for one second. Obama is down BIG in liberal bastions like California by huge amounts.. you think if he’s down 15 or 20 points from 2008 in CALIFREAKINFORNIA, he’s somehow up and holding his own in places like IA and OHIO, WI, NC, FL??? Come on folks, none of this passes the smell test, not a damned bit of it.


17 posted on 09/11/2012 5:51:07 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: RobinMasters

I guess they felt the ridicule these wild polls are receiving and for good reason. Their polls are worthless.


18 posted on 09/11/2012 5:51:27 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: tobyhill

To them it’s like the 2010 midterms never happened.

“What? What’s that you say? Republicans won a record number of house and senate seats? Well, that wasn’t a PRESIDENTIAL election. No reason to think the mood of the country has shifted....”


19 posted on 09/11/2012 5:52:29 AM PDT by Personal Responsibility (In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act - 1984)
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To: RobinMasters

What a relief. It’s good to hear that the temporary bump of DNC rise of dems in poll voter sampling, and lowering of republicans in poll voter sampling, is now returning back to actual levels.


20 posted on 09/11/2012 5:52:43 AM PDT by C210N ("ask not what the candidate can do for you, ask what you can do for the candidate" (Breitbart, 2012))
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To: ZULU

Agreed. I had a good meltdown. :X


21 posted on 09/11/2012 5:52:58 AM PDT by snarkytart
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To: RobinMasters

The rats ALWAYS have a lead going into the election because the liberal media make it so! A wise person should just ignore any poll and avoid the frustration.


22 posted on 09/11/2012 5:54:12 AM PDT by New Jersey Realist (America: home of the free because of the brave)
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To: RobinMasters

These are national polls. All Obama did was energize those in the more populous blue states and cities, states he would win anyway.

The more important state polling never showed much gain, if any at all.


23 posted on 09/11/2012 5:54:28 AM PDT by wayoverontheright
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To: HamiltonJay

Agree. Barring something unexpected-there’s that word-Obama will lose big time.


24 posted on 09/11/2012 5:55:16 AM PDT by John W (Viva Cristo Rey!)
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To: rbg81

I don’t get it either, 20 to 30 million watch conventions and most are probably are die hard dems and repub. The only conclusion is that too many people listen to MSM as they must catch the talking points hourly newscasts.


25 posted on 09/11/2012 5:55:56 AM PDT by scbison
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To: Common Sense 101
'as credible as a Ted Kennedy neck brace'

Good one, I like that. How 'bout, 'as credible as a Clinton tear for Ron Brown'?

26 posted on 09/11/2012 5:56:34 AM PDT by JPG (Make it happen.)
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To: ZULU
"Never again will I allow the damn polls to so discomfort and destroy my morale as they did yesterday."

That's good to hear. They tried a fast one yesterday with the LSM simultaneously touting these bad polls and the DNC releasing the hounds (trolls) on sites like this. It didn't work.

One good thing is that, hopefully, folks are now inoculated against shenanigans like this.

Steady boys. Steady. Don't shoot 'til you see the whites of their eyes.

27 posted on 09/11/2012 5:59:56 AM PDT by SnuffaBolshevik (In a tornado, even turkeys can fly.)
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To: SnuffaBolshevik

I’m sad to say it but my sister is one of those people. She’ll vote for whoever talks to her last. It’s infuriating.

(I always make sure that I talk to her last :) )


28 posted on 09/11/2012 6:00:52 AM PDT by Personal Responsibility (In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act - 1984)
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To: RobinMasters
The DNC was a disgusting ZOO, which could only motivate the Democrat "base". Republicans, independents, and the once and future Reagan Democrats--not so much.

With the daily reality of rising gas and food prices (NOT counted in official "inflation", but very much noticed by most Americans), and very well-justified fears over that cracked health care law, any "bounce" from the hyper-radical DNC is ephemeral indeed!!!!

29 posted on 09/11/2012 6:07:57 AM PDT by Honorary Serb (Kosovo is Serbia! Free Srpska! Abolish ICTY!)
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To: RobinMasters

Polls have to be rigged in the rat’s favor to throw off suspicion because the voting machines (controlled by the unions) are rigged to tally up 20 votes for every 14 or 15 rat votes. Do this in a few key states and THE WON wins again!


30 posted on 09/11/2012 6:08:31 AM PDT by New Jersey Realist (America: home of the free because of the brave)
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To: RobinMasters
DOES ANYONE KNOW someone who watches the first convention then supports that candidate.... then one week later watch the second convention, then support that candidate.... then three days later is undecided?
31 posted on 09/11/2012 6:08:54 AM PDT by 11th Commandment (http://www.thirty-thousand.org/)
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To: tobyhill

-— Democrats outnumbered Republicans by 7 points in the 2008 election.”-—

Zero. Zip. Nada enthusiasm for the cult leader here in occupied Massachusetts.

We have a huge enthusiasm advantage.


32 posted on 09/11/2012 6:08:56 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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To: RobinMasters
The nation may be suffering the early stages of Hopium withdrawal. Fever, shivers, cold sweat, realization of the false high, and a desire to make a change in what they've been doing, and who they've been hanging out with. Let's make sure we have clear-minded people who want to make a change and not see them fall back to the Hopium pushers on the left.
33 posted on 09/11/2012 6:09:06 AM PDT by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.......)
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To: dforest
The real point is that there never was a real bump. The MSM and the dems manufactured a bump coming off the rat convention to make it appear Odumbarse was going to sail to a win.

While I agree with this view I am still mystified by the Rasmussen results. We have, at least in the past, trusted Raz to not cook the books. Of course we don't know what Rasmussen is using for a turnout model. It could be that he has made an adjustment to his R/D/I mix.

34 posted on 09/11/2012 6:10:20 AM PDT by InterceptPoint (.)
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To: tobyhill
People self-identify in these polls so what is it you are saying?

Give you a choice here ~ that the people say one thing and the pollsters change it in their reports. Or, that the people just flat out lie to the pollsters.

Did it ever occur to you that people may think they are Republicans but they are really Democrats? And vice versa. So, they tell you what they think ~ not what their party registration is ~ or maybe they don't really know ~ or maybe "independent" is what the pollsters call people who say they've voted for both Democrats and Republicans in the past.

There are so terribly many options, so you tell us how it is these polls are a JOKE ~

35 posted on 09/11/2012 6:13:18 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: RobinMasters
Bill Clinton’s Bounce: How Media Conventional Wisdom Works

Polling is reflecting Bill Clinton’s bounce out of the Democratic National Convention. You wouldn’t know that if you listened to most of the media, but the bounce belonged not to Obama, but to Clinton. Fortunately for the GOP, Barack Obama is no Bill Clinton. It must privately grate on Barack Obama.

36 posted on 09/11/2012 6:14:31 AM PDT by MissMagnolia (Being powerful is like being a lady. If you have to tell people you are, you aren't. (M.Thatcher))
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To: Honorary Serb

I dont hear anyone complaining about gas prices , inflation or on work. Someone told me this morning that people dont care about getting back to work..that was his explanion for Obama’s support.


37 posted on 09/11/2012 6:15:40 AM PDT by dalebert
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To: InterceptPoint
Maybe he did nothing at all like you imagine. If he uses the self-identification provided by the people he polled, there's your answer ~ so you need to take it up with them and not Ras.

Or, maybe he has a pre-selected stable of LIKELY VOTERS who've been subjected to intense scrutiny and he just calls them up to see what they think this week versus last week.

Or, more likely, he pulls the results out of the air and takes a guess.

38 posted on 09/11/2012 6:16:02 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: RobinMasters

Loving ABC/Wash Post today! (Don’t say that often....).


39 posted on 09/11/2012 6:16:37 AM PDT by ConservativeDude
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To: Personal Responsibility

-— I’m sad to say it but my sister is one of those people. She’ll vote for whoever talks to her last. It’s infuriating. -—

I have one who likes to vote for the winner. Not making this up, “I voted for the winner!”

That’s why the media manufactures these polls. People want to be with the “strong horse.”


40 posted on 09/11/2012 6:19:43 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Are there really people who are so brain-dead and wishy-washy that a glitzy show can convince them to change their views for a couple of days and then they revert to their previous views?”

Alas, I think we all fear the affirmative on that question....


41 posted on 09/11/2012 6:21:32 AM PDT by ConservativeDude
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To: nhwingut

Times in history at least 75% of all registered voters have actually voted for president: zero.


42 posted on 09/11/2012 6:22:56 AM PDT by pabianice (washington, dc ..)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
In 2008 Obama got 69 million votes; McCain got 59 million votes.

Assume for a moment that Obama voters are going to either vote for him, or not, and that Romney voters are about the same as the McCain voters and they will either vote for Romney, or not.

Knowing that McCain got about 4 million fewer votes than George Bush in 2004, and understanding that the downward trend of Republican voters reflected in that could result in another 4 million vote loss, we might currently have only 55 million voters available to put Romney over the top.

For him to beat Obama it is necessary for Obama to lose 14 million votes from his last electoral effort.

So, figure it out, how does Romney get 14 million hard core Democrat Obama voters to just stay home this time?

43 posted on 09/11/2012 6:23:06 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

The worst thing I heard of was an 18-19 yr old saying he voted for Clinton in 1996 because he thought he was “supposed” to vote for who he thought would win.


44 posted on 09/11/2012 6:24:42 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working fors)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
Who in the world ARE the people who are so easily swayed by a convention?

These are the people who will be targeted by the October Surprise.
45 posted on 09/11/2012 6:26:15 AM PDT by Dan in Wichita
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
Are there really people who are so brain-dead and wishy-washy that a glitzy show can convince them to change their views for a couple of days and then they revert to their previous views?

Absolutely. Americans are wowed by exactly that.

46 posted on 09/11/2012 6:27:23 AM PDT by ScottinVA (If Obama is reelected, America will deserve every mockery that follows.)
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To: Personal Responsibility
In 2010 we had just Conservatives and Republicans running the campaigns with candidates they'd selected. The old Presidential wing (which we call the GOP-e) really wasn't involved.

Of course we won!

This is a GOP-e manufactured race ~ our chances of winning against any particular Democrat are much diminished as a consequence.

I think you see the problem here ~ it's not the polls, it's the politicians!

47 posted on 09/11/2012 6:28:48 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

“So, figure it out, how does Romney get 14 million hard core Democrat Obama voters to just stay home this time?”

Doesn’t that assume all 69 million were that? Obviously they weren’t.


48 posted on 09/11/2012 6:29:15 AM PDT by John W (Viva Cristo Rey!)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Paul Ryan’s taken time off from the campaign trail this week for some House votes.


49 posted on 09/11/2012 6:29:15 AM PDT by newzjunkey (Election night is 56 days away.)
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To: MrB

Woooooow...


50 posted on 09/11/2012 6:29:48 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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