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Flight 23 - The 5th plane to be seized on 9/11, and the terrorists who got away
NewsWorks ^ | 05.16.2011 | Jan C. Ting

Posted on 09/11/2012 6:50:56 AM PDT by ReaganÜberAlles

Have you heard about the airliner which was ordered back to the gate on 9/11 when the terrorist attacks began, only to have four young Arab passengers jump off the plane, after which box cutters and Al Qaeda documents were found in their abandoned bags?


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KEYWORDS: 11thanniversary; 5th; 5th911plane; 5thplane; 911; 911anniversary; alqaeda; flight23; jfkairport; lax; plane; timmons; ual
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The profile of General Timmons recounts that on the morning of September 11, 2001, she was the first officer on United Airlines flight 23 preparing to take-off from New York's JFK Airport bound for Los Angeles. The plane had already pulled away from the gate and was taxiing down the runway when the airport was shut down and the crew was ordered to secure the cockpit.

Timmons confirmed that as the pilot grabbed the crash ax, she jumped from her seat and started barricading the cockpit door. From the other side of the barricade the cabin crew relayed their concern about four young Arab men in first-class who became agitated when the take-off was cancelled, and fled from the plane when it returned to the terminal. Box cutters and Al Qaeda documents were later found in their luggage.

1 posted on 09/11/2012 6:51:03 AM PDT by ReaganÜberAlles
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To: ReaganÜberAlles

I wonder how many other teams there might have been


2 posted on 09/11/2012 6:53:40 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: ReaganÜberAlles

i remember hearing about this...


3 posted on 09/11/2012 6:54:53 AM PDT by latina4dubya ( self-proclaimed tequila snob)
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To: ReaganÜberAlles

But I thought 9/11 was a government conspiracy that Bush and Cheney masterminded. /s


4 posted on 09/11/2012 6:55:30 AM PDT by woweeitsme
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To: ReaganÜberAlles

Huh? Who opened the airplane door so they could flee when the plane teached the terminal - especially when they were acting suspiciously?

Sorry, I don’t buy it.


5 posted on 09/11/2012 6:56:24 AM PDT by jtal (Runnin' a World in Need with White Folks' Greed - since 1492)
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To: ReaganÜberAlles

Yes, I heard about it. In the few weeks after 9/11, when I was a flight attendant, I and many others heard it was a plane either in Washington, DC or Baltimore.

We also heard of many other instances of boxcutters being found in seat back pockets not long afterwards.

And of the recovery teams in NY finding human remains of people who had survived the initial blast and destruction, only to die when they couldn’t be rescued days to weeks later.


6 posted on 09/11/2012 6:56:50 AM PDT by Cowgirl of Justice
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To: ReaganÜberAlles
This is the first I've ever heard of it and I suspect it's rumors, or it would have been talked to death by the media.
7 posted on 09/11/2012 6:59:04 AM PDT by ExSoldier (Stand up and be counted... OR LINE UP AND BE NUMBERED...)
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To: ReaganÜberAlles

I didn’t know this.

But other Freepers did. See:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1765390/posts


8 posted on 09/11/2012 7:00:11 AM PDT by kidd
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To: latina4dubya

There were several arab pilots invited to the cockpit that day. sometimes done as courtesy to other pilots. i remember reading several disappeared as planes forced back to gates.


9 posted on 09/11/2012 7:00:45 AM PDT by Donnafrflorida (Thru HIM all things are possible.)
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To: woweeitsme
AlQaida had a huge ground support team for this opeation ~ wasn't just 19 guys on planes, and maybe a few dozen others on planes that didn't get taken over.

I live not far from where their DC ground support team had been assembled. There were 75 taxicabs in that neighborhood. It was a real parking space concern ~ so we were all counting the cabs to see just how bad a problem we had.

On 9/11 that dropped to 15 taxicabs. 60 cabs, their drivers, their dependents, and others living with them in that townhouse development DISAPPEARED!

Since then we haven't had more than 18 cabs in the area ~ but we did have an AlQaida guy come back to the area to make contact. He was identified by Afghans and shot to death on a basketball court.

We lived with federal investigators staking out the area for several years.

10 posted on 09/11/2012 7:02:30 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: GeronL
I wonder how many other teams there might have been

This is the real concern. According to my readings for my Master's Degree (National Security Affairs with a concentration in Homeland Security) the southern border is so porus that for the last ten years or more, 10% of all the illegal crossers apprehended have been from threat nations. If the math is correct that could mean up to 70,000 potential terrorists still lurking inside our borders waiting to strike. Even if some of them converted to the American ideal of a happy life, I'll bet far more are still in the hunt for those ineffable virgins.

11 posted on 09/11/2012 7:03:41 AM PDT by ExSoldier (Stand up and be counted... OR LINE UP AND BE NUMBERED...)
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To: ReaganÜberAlles

Grounded on 9-11

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvPJXB6mUK8


12 posted on 09/11/2012 7:04:30 AM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Bocephus hits a home run! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rt_vjPqAVzI)
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To: ExSoldier

I’m not so sure. I clearly remember stories both confirmed and unconfirmed of similar nature back when these events unfolded 11 years ago. Free Republic might even have them archived.


13 posted on 09/11/2012 7:05:00 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: GeronL
The original “bojinka” plan had up to 20 airliners being seized at the same time, over the Pacific and elsewhere

KSM, the poor fellow whop was so cruelly waterboarded, was the mastermind of bojinka and also of 9-11

Thanks to the information so grudgingly provided to the CIA by the soggy KSM and other sources, the Bush administration in...? (don't remember the year but remember the airplanes being grounded in Dulles and London) foiled another wave of suicide hijackings of flights originating in London and DC

Cheney has alluded to this successful operation

However,before the boychild obama was installed, we used to have national security teams that did not leak classified information for narcissistic and political gain

14 posted on 09/11/2012 7:13:03 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: Cowgirl of Justice

“And of the recovery teams in NY finding human remains of people who had survived the initial blast and destruction, only to die when they couldn’t be rescued days to weeks later.”

I hadn’t heard that one. Perhaps someone got it mixed up with the (true) stories of sailors trapped in sunken warships at Pearl Harbor?


15 posted on 09/11/2012 7:13:48 AM PDT by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: jtal

Right...also doesn’t make sense to bring “Al Qaeda documents” with them.


16 posted on 09/11/2012 7:15:13 AM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: PLMerite

Absolutely not.

Someone working at the airline got on our plane, the blood drained from his face. Either his brother or close friend was part of the rescue/recovery teams and he had just heard from them.


17 posted on 09/11/2012 7:21:26 AM PDT by Cowgirl of Justice
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To: silverleaf
the soggy KSM and other sources

You owe me a new keyboard and monitor.

Note to self: do not drink coffee while reading FR.

18 posted on 09/11/2012 7:25:50 AM PDT by al_c (http://www.blowoutcongress.com)
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To: Cowgirl of Justice

There were young Middle eastern men living on the second floor of the house across the street from us in Malden, MA. Which is about a 20 minute drive to Logan. They would be up on the computer all night because we could see them with the shades up. They paid cash for the rent and said they went to school in Boston. But were around during the day. They disappeared on the day after the attacks.


19 posted on 09/11/2012 7:26:00 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Cowgirl of Justice

There were young Middle eastern men living on the second floor of the house across the street from us in Malden, MA. Which is about a 20 minute drive to Logan. They would be up on the computer all night because we could see them with the shades up. They paid cash for the rent and said they went to school in Boston. But were around during the day. They disappeared on the day after the attacks.


20 posted on 09/11/2012 7:26:22 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: ExSoldier

My daughter and her family took a trip into canada (nothing to do with 911) and her husband almost got into a fight with the cab driver.....arab and anti american and actually yelling about how bad america was.....she and their 3 children were in the back and her husband was sitting next to the driver...lots of anti american sentiment in canada..Lots of muslims also...


21 posted on 09/11/2012 7:28:32 AM PDT by goat granny
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To: Liz

I thought the fifth team was at Newark.

I know you have the right info and links on this.

Please post them and help get this straight. TIA


22 posted on 09/11/2012 7:28:44 AM PDT by Roccus
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To: Cowgirl of Justice

Wow, I hadn’t heard that one, and I was keeping track of stuff. Thanks!


23 posted on 09/11/2012 7:33:14 AM PDT by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: goat granny
....lots of anti american sentiment in canada..Lots of muslims also...

Yeah, but they sure do love our products and toys don't they? They love to rip us to shreds for our freedoms and lifestyles and attitudes but they also love what all that can afford them, even Disney. Saying that albeit with the knowledge that the terrorists really do despise the "House of Mouse."

24 posted on 09/11/2012 7:38:03 AM PDT by ExSoldier (Stand up and be counted... OR LINE UP AND BE NUMBERED...)
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To: woweeitsme; ReaganÜberAlles
But I thought 9/11 was a government conspiracy that Bush and Cheney masterminded.

Did ya know your apparent hero Bush, allowed into the U.S. more from Muslims countries *after* 911, than the previous two decades?

Great hero ya got there.

25 posted on 09/11/2012 7:40:49 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: ReaganÜberAlles
The 5th Plane on 9/11 (Flight 23)
26 posted on 09/11/2012 7:45:54 AM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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To: ReaganÜberAlles

OMG, even after 11yrs, I’ve never heard about this! Holy carp!! I wonder how many others there were?


27 posted on 09/11/2012 7:48:34 AM PDT by carriage_hill (Liberals, democrats & unions - the leftist scum - are like bacteria: attack, attack, attack!)
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To: dragnet2

Never said anything about Bush being my hero...and please show me where I did.


28 posted on 09/11/2012 7:54:07 AM PDT by woweeitsme
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To: ExSoldier

I’ve been saying since 9-12-01, that there are many, many ‘sleepers’ here, awaiting orders to go after “soft targets” - unarmed hospitals, schools, colleges, offices, malls, etc etc etc - and that they’re still here.

Dearborn is probably loaded with them, hiding in plain sight. With the huge growth of ME-funded mosques etc, it’s a ticking time bomb. “OTMs” (Other Than Mexicans”) were literally pouring across the southern border, and probably still are.

If the SHTF w/ Israel vs Iran, they’re activated into asymmetrical warfare. I still believe it. I hope/pray that I’m wrong.


29 posted on 09/11/2012 7:58:42 AM PDT by carriage_hill (Liberals, democrats & unions - the leftist scum - are like bacteria: attack, attack, attack!)
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To: latina4dubya
Never heard this one. Why didn't they catch the perps? Where are the security tapes? Why no nationwide search with the photos?

Not buying the story.

30 posted on 09/11/2012 7:58:55 AM PDT by Jabba the Nutt (.Are they stupid, malicious or evil?)
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To: ReaganÜberAlles

...And an islamist terrorist currently occupies the White House.


31 posted on 09/11/2012 7:59:29 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: Donnafrflorida

That’s the story that I remember: the guest piilots.


32 posted on 09/11/2012 8:01:13 AM PDT by firebrand
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To: woweeitsme

Your comment seemed to suggest that.

I’d bet I’m right.


33 posted on 09/11/2012 8:01:28 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: silverleaf

The original “bojinka” plan had up to 20 airliners being seized at the same time, over the Pacific and elsewhere

KSM, the poor fellow whop was so cruelly waterboarded, was the mastermind of bojinka and also of 9-11
///
great point!
...it seems to me, terrorist rarely “downscale” their plans.
i’d be surprised, if he went from 20 to 4...


34 posted on 09/11/2012 8:08:49 AM PDT by Elendur (It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: dragnet2

You’re being an idiot. He was shooting down the ‘Truther’ myth.


35 posted on 09/11/2012 8:13:29 AM PDT by agere_contra (Vote ABO. Don't choose the Greater Evil and then boast about how principled you are)
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To: silverleaf

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1765390/posts?page=69#69
The FBI claims on this day that there were six hijacking teams on the morning of 9/11. [New York Times, 9/19/2001; Guardian, 10/13/2001] A different report claims investigators are privately saying eight. [Independent, 9/25/2001]

However, the reports below suggest there may have been as many as eight aborted flights, leading to a potential total of 12 hijackings:


36 posted on 09/11/2012 8:15:21 AM PDT by Elendur (It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: dragnet2

Well...that’s a bet you’d lose. Not a fan of GWB. Just stating that he wasn’t the mastermind behind the attack...nothing more...nothing less.


37 posted on 09/11/2012 8:17:18 AM PDT by woweeitsme
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To: ReaganÜberAlles

My friend’s mother was on a flight from Atlanta to L.A. She does a considerable amount of flying and is not easily alarmed. She is also always in first class.

She said they were on the tarmac, preparing to take off when the flight was cancelled. There was at least one young middle eastern man in first class who was quite agitated at the cancellation. When they finally got back to the terminal the doors opened and the police walked in and escorted several men off the flight. She firmly believes they would have been hijacked.


38 posted on 09/11/2012 8:21:59 AM PDT by Grammy
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To: GeronL

I recall that boxcutters were being found on other flights for several weeks after 9-11.

http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/23/inv.investigation.terrorism/

“Charles Miller, a U.S. Justice Department spokesman, told CNN some box cutters were found on other planes besides the four hijacked ones, but he did not provide any details.”

And...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-200951/Box-cutters-US-planes.html


39 posted on 09/11/2012 8:35:27 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: jtal

Hindsight is always 20-20

We know now it was Muzzies, we did not know that on 9-11.

All of this was put together afterwards, and grousing passengers due to delay is not unusual


40 posted on 09/11/2012 8:36:59 AM PDT by 100American (Knowledge is knowing how, Wisdom is knowing when)
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To: ReaganÜberAlles

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41 posted on 09/11/2012 8:37:07 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("You can observe a lot just by watchin'." - Yogi Berra)
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To: GeronL

I have heard this story for years. Never confirmed. Why dont we have the names of the men who fled? Also just a correction UA 23 was EWR-LAX not JFK. One reason I sort of doubt this is the lack of names plus the fact UA23 was an A320 not 757 or 767. It is a completely different type of plane with a joystick and flyby wire. Plausible story but I can’t confirm it.


42 posted on 09/11/2012 8:37:47 AM PDT by Bobloblaw2012
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

I have heard that “20 planes” number before. I don’t doubt anything. Seems interesting that 3 Hezbollah members were arrested yesterday at an airport in Mexico.


43 posted on 09/11/2012 8:40:05 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: ExSoldier

I remember this from the days right after 9/11 but never heard anything else about it.


44 posted on 09/11/2012 8:43:55 AM PDT by 6ppc (It's torch and pitchfork time)
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To: massgopguy
had the same thing happen to me at the apt complex where i live, lots of paki’s live in the complex, they all went to ground on 9/11 1/2 disappeared in the days afterwords very weird in orange county ca.
45 posted on 09/11/2012 9:17:49 AM PDT by markman46 (engage brain before using keyboard!!!)
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To: dragnet2

You, and I know you’ve heard this before, talk too much. “Sit down before you get knocked down” as the saying goes.


46 posted on 09/11/2012 9:27:57 AM PDT by ReaganÜberAlles
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To: dragnet2

Well, I liked Bush...what of it?
You can bite me a$$wipe.....he was a very decent man and I will always like him and respect him, and yea...he was my hero when we needed him after 911....Jerk!


47 posted on 09/11/2012 9:29:27 AM PDT by astratt7 (obama,muslim,politics)
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To: GeronL

I’ll get back to you later on this.


48 posted on 09/11/2012 10:15:34 AM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (FR: Now, More Than Ever.)
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To: muawiyah
"...but we did have an AlQaida guy come back to the area to make contact. He was identified by Afghans and shot to death on a basketball court."

Good shooting!
49 posted on 09/11/2012 11:25:16 AM PDT by Emperor Palpatine (I need a good stiff drink. How 'bout you?)
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To: carriage_hill

Bomb Mecca and Medinz.

Close all mosques in the US. Since Islam is NOT a real religion it shouldn’t be protected unde the First Amendment.

Send ‘em all to the Middle East.


50 posted on 09/11/2012 11:34:07 AM PDT by Emperor Palpatine (I need a good stiff drink. How 'bout you?)
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