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CSMonitor ^ | 09/10/2012

Posted on 09/11/2012 12:21:05 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd

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To: ansel12

Once it is legal, then it will become fully legal.

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Bull-loney.

Is alcohol fully legal?


51 posted on 09/11/2012 1:19:36 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: RightOnTheBorder; Responsibility2nd

because he a brainless drug warrior.

He actually believe that the cops know better than science or lawyers.

R2nd is just a JBT-worshiping statist.


52 posted on 09/11/2012 1:20:57 PM PDT by Emperor Palpatine (I need a good stiff drink. How 'bout you?)
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To: Ken H

Gee, before you post think for a minute.

Legalize pot and those tightly regulated, medical dispensaries disappear, so does most of that tax revenue.

Pot in California, will be being grown everywhere, little old ladies will be producing great pot to sale.


53 posted on 09/11/2012 1:21:07 PM PDT by ansel12 ( Aug. 27, 2012-Mitt Romney said his views on abortion are more lenient than the Republican Platform)
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To: Responsibility2nd

“Only a fool wants to replace booze with a far greater danger to America.”

No one is arguing to “replace” booze.

Those who like it will continue to consume it, and those who like to “light up a joint now and then” will continue to do so also. The najority who consume either will do so in moderation - as is the case now, without acquiring an addiction, and with us much safety responsibility as found now in the population.

Meanwhile, millions will continue to abstain from consuming either, no matter what the law permits.

Self control, and respect for it, is preferrable to busybodies.


54 posted on 09/11/2012 1:22:26 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: Responsibility2nd

Really, that’s all you’ve got? Lamest. Troll. Ever.


55 posted on 09/11/2012 1:23:11 PM PDT by Valpal1
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To: ansel12

“Pot in California, will be being grown everywhere, little old ladies will be producing great pot to sale.”

That is not happening with tobacco and the process for the two is the same. My great grand mother, uh, dealt with both...LOL


56 posted on 09/11/2012 1:23:42 PM PDT by DonaldC (A nation cannot stand in the absence of religious principle.)
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To: Steve Van Doorn

You amuse me. You really do.

Was Rand an atheist? Was she a libertarian? That’s ALL I said.

I really like the way you liberals wad up them panties over the basic fundamental truths I’m laying down.

I’m lol’ing


57 posted on 09/11/2012 1:23:42 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Prohibition made a ragtag bunch of street hoods into the Fortune 500 company known as The Mob, Inc.

You’re increasingly becoming unhinged.

Maybe a good belt or bong hit might do you some good.

PS, you cannot legislate morality in a free society, pal. You’re no conservative, you’re an authoritarian statist.


58 posted on 09/11/2012 1:25:15 PM PDT by Emperor Palpatine (I need a good stiff drink. How 'bout you?)
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To: ansel12

No bull about it. It’s a simple truth. There’s good weed and there’s bad weed and the easy to grow stuff is bad.

There’s nothing dishonest in what I’m saying, you’re fact are simply wrong.

Would anybody have paid $95 dollars for 10 seeds of the stuff you grew? How about $180?

http://www.cannabismarijuana.com/thai-nl-hawaiian.html

Then there’s the work of turning seeds that are worth $9 a piece into good pot (step 3):
http://www.cracked.com/article_19609_5-horrible-things-nobody-tells-you-about-legally-growing-pot.html

No the 60s weren’t fueled by pot. Much like the roaring 20s weren’t fueled by high end booze. But the facts remain, in all things there’s the good stuff and the bad stuff and the good stuff is a lot of work and when the good stuff is legal people prefer to buy that than make their own bad stuff. If reality was the way you’re saying nobody would buy beer because any idiot can make beer, and actually beer that’s better than Budweiser is easy (which shows you just how bad Bud is), and yet the majority still buy rather than make.

The empirical evidence is in and the bull is all coming from you.


59 posted on 09/11/2012 1:25:15 PM PDT by discostu (Welcome back my friends to the show that never ends.)
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To: discostu

I read a book (don’t remeber Title/Author) many years ago about the Carter Administration secretly working w/Big Tobacco to make a report on the assets & liabilities of legalisation.

The issue that stopped Carter from moving forward was that Law Enforcement had no accurate way of determining at a traffic stop if a driver was under the influence.

Technology has advanced so far since then, does anyone know if such a method exists today?


60 posted on 09/11/2012 1:25:43 PM PDT by delcopatriot
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To: ansel12

Another statist fool heard from.


61 posted on 09/11/2012 1:27:01 PM PDT by Emperor Palpatine (I need a good stiff drink. How 'bout you?)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Alcohol is close to fully legal, but it is easy to control, Scotch and Whiskey come from places, and has to be bottled and transported it doesn’t get produced in my garden, or by my front door, or in the big pot on the patio.

I can grow great pot five feet from where I am sitting right now, or even in this very room.

Once pot is legal, and the seeds are being scattered everywhere, and the plants grown everywhere, there won’t be attempts to do testing on the source of your grass, it will just become legal.


62 posted on 09/11/2012 1:27:33 PM PDT by ansel12 ( Aug. 27, 2012-Mitt Romney said his views on abortion are more lenient than the Republican Platform)
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To: Wuli; All

““the drug alcohol” did not and does not create alcoholism...”

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Wow. Just Wow! The fail is strong on that comment.

Well my liberal friends.. I’ve got a doctors appointment to keep. I’m having a lot of fun - but I must go for now. I’ll be back in a couple of hours to see what other liberal claptarppings are being posted here.


63 posted on 09/11/2012 1:28:55 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: ansel12
Legalize pot and those tightly regulated, medical dispensaries disappear, so does most of that tax revenue.

MM patients are allowed to grow their own, yet they still pay $300/oz and more in sufficient numbers to generate $100M in tax revenue. That's a real world example, which trumps your speculations.

64 posted on 09/11/2012 1:29:03 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: Responsibility2nd

So...God speaks through his prophet R2!

Let us all bow down before the holy prophet’s wisdom.

/sarc


65 posted on 09/11/2012 1:32:20 PM PDT by Emperor Palpatine (I need a good stiff drink. How 'bout you?)
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To: Responsibility2nd

“““the drug alcohol” did not and does not create alcoholism...”

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Wow. Just Wow! The fail is strong on that comment.”

I don’t understand the fail here... it is like saying guns create murder. Or maybe I am missing the point. Some of the other comments made involve the control or lack thereof of pot, which I think is the point exactly....we are under a gov trying to control too much.


66 posted on 09/11/2012 1:32:40 PM PDT by DonaldC (A nation cannot stand in the absence of religious principle.)
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To: Responsibility2nd
"Do you also want them to become successful US business corporations too? The next Anheuser Busch and Jim Beam?"

Absolutely I do. You make perfect examples of companies turning ligament working for society rather then against it.

You and I will not buy their product and that is exactly how it should be. Capitalism I love it

Now go away socialist. I'm serious why are you trolling here?

67 posted on 09/11/2012 1:32:58 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric Cartman voice* 'I love you, guys')
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To: Wuli

DU Troll!


68 posted on 09/11/2012 1:34:24 PM PDT by Emperor Palpatine (I need a good stiff drink. How 'bout you?)
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To: delcopatriot

The problem with detecting pot use by test is that it stays in your system so much longer than it makes you high. You can tell via urine if somebody smoked pot in the last month, via hair sample for the entire time they’ve had that hair follicle, but are they high right now... That’s the “magic” from a law enforcement perspective of alcohol, when it’s in your blood it’s effecting you when it’s not it’s not, doesn’t have much in the way of non-buzz making traces.


69 posted on 09/11/2012 1:34:37 PM PDT by discostu (Welcome back my friends to the show that never ends.)
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To: Emperor Palpatine

It is trolls that go on a thread with nothing more than a personal attack.

You know that FR does not care for that kind of trolling.


70 posted on 09/11/2012 1:35:50 PM PDT by ansel12 ( Aug. 27, 2012-Mitt Romney said his views on abortion are more lenient than the Republican Platform)
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To: Responsibility2nd
I assume you mean the drug cartels. Yesss, they are very rich. Do you also want them to become successful US business corporations too? The next Anheuser Busch and Jim Beam?

Not exactly sure this is an accurate analogy. The drug cartel employs A LOT of muscle; greed and corruption are abundant - thus, an almost obscene amount of profit is demanded to remain fiscally viable. Those bodyguards, automatic weapons, defending your produduction, enforcing your "territory" and killing your competition - are all expensive operations.

Once legalized, a plant that is little more than a weed, has very little profit built into it. It requires minimal talent to grow, and the business model will not tolerate the profitability it enjoys now. Bottom line: The economic market of marijuana will collapse, quickly and almost immediately upon legalization.

Alaska had legalized pot for years; yet the horrors you imagine did not occur. Why?

For many, it's a principle of small goverment that is tantamount. I don't smoke, never did smoke and very likely never will smoke. Why? I'm an engineer, I earn my living by using my brain; if I dimminish my mental aptitude, I dimminish my livelihood.

I'm all for small goverment, you are for a larger goverment. I feel people have the God-given right to be idiots; you feel that you need to govern and decide what is right "for them", because for some reason, you are "smarter" than they are.

Me, I don't care if you smoke, I don't care if you don't. You live your life in the best way that you can, you make the decisions about how you are living your life - and as long as you don't negatively impact the lives of those around you - what you do, is your business. Pretty simple stuff.

71 posted on 09/11/2012 1:36:38 PM PDT by Hodar (A man can fail many times, but he isn't a failure until he begins to blame somebody else.- Burroughs)
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To: discostu

Goo lord, what a crock, good pot and better pot, we all know about that, and growing good pot is easy.

Have you ever been close to the process?


72 posted on 09/11/2012 1:38:20 PM PDT by ansel12 ( Aug. 27, 2012-Mitt Romney said his views on abortion are more lenient than the Republican Platform)
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To: ansel12; Responsibility2nd
Once pot is legal, and the seeds are being scattered everywhere, and the plants grown everywhere, there won’t be attempts to do testing on the source of your grass, it will just become legal.

So where is the problem? If you smoke what you grow, it's up to you to do whatever quality control you want; it'll still be as illegal for an individual grower to sell or gift bad weed, just like it's illegal to distribute tainted Halloween treats; and many consumers will be willing to pay a premium to get corporate-grown weed with the attendent resources and incentives for quality control.

73 posted on 09/11/2012 1:40:40 PM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: Responsibility2nd
Do you also want them to become successful US business corporations too? The next Anheuser Busch and Jim Beam?

I didn't think so.

Thanks for answering for me but I'm capable of doing so. That said, I don't have anything against capitalism and/or Anheuser Busch & Jim Beam (other than their crappy products). Do you?

Winning by not surrendering.

Victory = not surrendering? That's a good one.

But the alternative to surrendering in the WOT or the WOD is unthinkable.

Adults free to put in their own bodies whatever they want? No, you're right. We need Big Government to protect us from that.

74 posted on 09/11/2012 1:42:04 PM PDT by gdani
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To: Emperor Palpatine
You’re no conservative, you’re an authoritarian statist.

Blunt, but accurate. She used to have the tag that said "As a matter of fact, what you do in your bedroom IS MY BUSINESS".

She seems to want Gov't control over every aspect of our lives - and she believes that somehow this qualifies her to be the arbitrator of who is a Conservative, and who is not. She doesn't see the difference between Liberalism and Libertarianism - to her, they are equivalent concepts.

75 posted on 09/11/2012 1:43:08 PM PDT by Hodar (A man can fail many times, but he isn't a failure until he begins to blame somebody else.- Burroughs)
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To: DonaldC

The process isn’t the same, you can grow tobacco, but that is a long way from creating a Marlboro.

Pot on the other hand is to get high off of, and doesn’t need anything more than being able to be smoked from a toilet paper roll with a hole in it and some tin foil.

Some here have seen joints made of a 2 page wide spread of newspaper, an inch and a half in diameter and being 3 feet long, that kind of thing makes pot heads happy, but it wouldn’t replace a Marlboro to a cigarette smoker.


76 posted on 09/11/2012 1:44:19 PM PDT by ansel12 ( Aug. 27, 2012-Mitt Romney said his views on abortion are more lenient than the Republican Platform)
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To: Responsibility2nd
But the alternative to surrendering in the WOT or the WOD is unthinkable.

We surrendered in the War On Alcohol - were the results "unthinkable"?

77 posted on 09/11/2012 1:44:51 PM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: ansel12

Sorry all the crock is you. Yeah I’ve done the process, and I’ve seen it done right. Doing it right is hard and I just showed you the proof. You can deny it if you want but now that you’ve been shown that what you’re saying is false continuing down that path is lying. You’re wrong, the links prove it.


78 posted on 09/11/2012 1:45:19 PM PDT by discostu (Welcome back my friends to the show that never ends.)
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To: ansel12
In locations where seeds could grow wild (hot with lots of natural rainfall) it would be a big problem for people trying to produce a quality product.

One male pot plant can air fertilize over many miles - resulting in a seed heavy mature female that is about useless for smoking. And because the male growing wild is selecting for different traits than the cultivated varieties, the seeds will no doubt be about useless as well.

There is a reason they call it “Alabama dirtweed”.

79 posted on 09/11/2012 1:47:18 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: DannyTN
A time of great economic prosperity.

Church Attendance per capita hit an all time high.

Admissions to mental hospitals per capita hit an all time low.

We're getting none of those from our decades-old War On Drugs.

80 posted on 09/11/2012 1:49:19 PM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: Responsibility2nd
Prohibition DID work.

The USA was a Nation of drunkards. Temperance groups were successful in turning this nation around. And after awhile Prohibition was repealed, but the drug alcohol still remains our number one social disease and is still highly restricted.

So was repeal a mistake? Should we bring it back?

81 posted on 09/11/2012 1:53:09 PM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: Responsibility2nd
said, "Well my liberal friends."

liberal = socialist (today)

Since you clearly stated that you believe in socialistic concepts such as a Utopian vision through regulation and the dislike the roots of conservatism you are using this term incorrectly intentionally.

You are troll

82 posted on 09/11/2012 1:53:24 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric Cartman voice* 'I love you, guys')
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To: Ken H

I have know AIDS patients and the dying who did not do any gardening at all, being sick, dying of cancer and stuff, sometimes make it easier to just whip out the check book for your medicine.


83 posted on 09/11/2012 1:54:03 PM PDT by ansel12 ( Aug. 27, 2012-Mitt Romney said his views on abortion are more lenient than the Republican Platform)
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To: Responsibility2nd
Prohibition DID work.

LOL. Good luck with that argument.
84 posted on 09/11/2012 1:58:21 PM PDT by microgood
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To: Wuli

correction to my earlier post

“that failure CAUSED by the drug” was supposed to read “that failure IS NOT CAUSED by the drug”

the drug (or sex) may crate “an urge”, but it - the urge - can be dealt with, can be overcome, can be defeated and behavior intent on satisfying it can be changed to behavior that does not

“the drug” is not the origin of an addiction - excessive behavior intent on satisfying it in the first place is; repition of that behavior keeps reinforcing it; denial of that repition early on prevents addiction.

addiction is about behavior, it is not caused by what anyone choses to become addicted to


85 posted on 09/11/2012 2:00:22 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: allmendream; discostu

If growing decent pot is beyond your capabilities then fine, I will have to take your word for it, but I have lived in a household where the bulk of the income came from success in that area, it isn’t like running the Glenlivet distillery.

Personally if it is made legal, then I think that I could do just fine.


86 posted on 09/11/2012 2:02:59 PM PDT by ansel12 ( Aug. 27, 2012-Mitt Romney said his views on abortion are more lenient than the Republican Platform)
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To: Steve Van Doorn
"Pro-dope pro-smaller government liberals Liberals waiving the white flag on the WOD to show up in 5, 4, 3..."

I believe you and the original poster meant w-a-v-i-n-g.

87 posted on 09/11/2012 2:03:46 PM PDT by EnigmaticAnomaly ("Mantra of the left: 'It's only okay when WE do it.'")
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To: ansel12
I have know AIDS patients and the dying who did not do any gardening at all, being sick, dying of cancer and stuff, sometimes make it easier to just whip out the check book for your medicine.

Oh, come on. You said it was so easy to grow marijuana. All he would have to do is plant a seed in a pot and water occasionally. That would take no more effort than to drive to the dispensary.

88 posted on 09/11/2012 2:05:54 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: Hodar

Another reason we never should have given ‘em the vote in 1919, hehehe.


89 posted on 09/11/2012 2:06:49 PM PDT by Emperor Palpatine (I need a good stiff drink. How 'bout you?)
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To: ansel12

Your post doesn’t follow logically from mine.

I don’t live where pot could grow wild - someone has to water it.

And where pot DOES grow wild - it results in a hugely inferior product due to uncontrolled pollination from wild males.


90 posted on 09/11/2012 2:07:12 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: Responsibility2nd
Pro-dope liberals waiving the white flag on the WOD to show up in 5, 4, 3...

That's very Saul Alinsky of you. Define the straw man opposition with a pejorative before anyone even shows up. ROTFLOL

91 posted on 09/11/2012 2:09:18 PM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: Emperor Palpatine

“DU Troll”

yea right, so says the big government “Conservative”

A true Conservative does not simply mouth nostrums about small and limited government - when it suits their fancy, and then deny those principles when they simply want to control someone else’s behavior.

If it is “Conservative” to control pot smokers, then such “Conservatives” better be all for reimposition of alcohol prohibition, less their hypocrisy be on display for all to see; because that’s what it amounts to.

So, if you want to propose the reimposition of alcohol prohibition, go ahead. Meanwhile the rest of us Conservatives - in the tradition of William F. Buckley Junior and others - will ignore who it is you call a “DU troll”, you “DU Troll”.


92 posted on 09/11/2012 2:11:08 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: ansel12; Ken H
MM patients are allowed to grow their own, yet they still pay $300/oz and more in sufficient numbers to generate $100M in tax revenue. That's a real world example, which trumps your speculations.

I have know AIDS patients and the dying who did not do any gardening at all, being sick, dying of cancer and stuff, sometimes make it easier to just whip out the check book for your medicine.

So the majority of dispensary customers are seriously sick or dying? Good to know - I'll cite you as a reference the next time an anti-MM FReeper claims you can get MM if you have a hangnail.

93 posted on 09/11/2012 2:12:42 PM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: Wuli

Fiscal conservative, socially more libertarian.

Get it right.


94 posted on 09/11/2012 2:13:25 PM PDT by Emperor Palpatine (I need a good stiff drink. How 'bout you?)
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To: ansel12

Yaaaawn, now it’s all insults. The facts have been presented, they show you’re wrong, your complete unwillingness to try to present any facts of your own show you know you can’t and therefore are wrong, whether or not you can actually admit it changes nothing.


95 posted on 09/11/2012 2:14:18 PM PDT by discostu (Welcome back my friends to the show that never ends.)
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To: allmendream

I don’t care about wild pot, never did, not even in the 60s, you are right about it being useless.

The only time I mentioned wild pot plants was to mention having trouble with having to get rid of ‘volunteer pot plants’ that I used to be troubled with and would have to pull up.

California does produce some good pot.


96 posted on 09/11/2012 2:18:24 PM PDT by ansel12 ( Aug. 27, 2012-Mitt Romney said his views on abortion are more lenient than the Republican Platform)
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To: Ken H

I used the word gardening.


97 posted on 09/11/2012 2:20:25 PM PDT by ansel12 ( Aug. 27, 2012-Mitt Romney said his views on abortion are more lenient than the Republican Platform)
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To: Responsibility2nd
My view is first and foremost it should be up to the states to decide. Next I think medical marijuana is a farce. I do believe it has great value in some instances but the vast majority of 215 cards go to people that want to get high or profit from it. Not that there is anything the matter with that. The tax and regulate,te scheme is bogas. The state is against it but if they get their cut than it's cool? What would not be OK as long as the state got their cut. If you legalize it than legalize it for anyone who wants to grow some for themselves tax free. When you let the political whores tax and regulate you will end up with Monsanto and Conagra and like forming the regs. I haven't smoked any in a lot of years but I'm a life long resident of Humboldt county so I have been around it. Prop 215has not been an improvement.
98 posted on 09/11/2012 2:21:37 PM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin (Ignorance is bliss- I'm stoked)
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To: discostu

There was no insult in that post.

If you think that it is too difficult for you to grow usable pot, then I accept that, I don’t want to waste this much time on convincing people that they can do what me and countless thousands have done, and that many do in our forests, and parks, and in their homes and closets.


99 posted on 09/11/2012 2:23:24 PM PDT by ansel12 ( Aug. 27, 2012-Mitt Romney said his views on abortion are more lenient than the Republican Platform)
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To: Responsibility2nd
Pro-dope liberals waiving the white flag on the WOD to show up in 5, 4, 3...

That's kinda funny. I saw you posted this and I was gonna post

"Police State Republicrats (thats you) that really just want their own version of gigantic opressive govt to show up in 5, 4, 3..."

100 posted on 09/11/2012 2:24:05 PM PDT by SwankyC
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