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Poll Shows Obama Getting Lowest Jewish Support Since Carter (59%)
Commentary ^ | 9/10/12 | Jonathan Tobin

Posted on 09/11/2012 7:11:37 PM PDT by dervish

President Obama may be enjoying a slight, if likely temporary, bounce in the polls this week. But one of the surveys showing him with a lead in a tight race over Mitt Romney also provides a breakdown of the data that confirms predictions that he is losing up to a quarter of the Jewish votes he got in 2008. The Investors Business Daily/Christian Science Monitor/TIPP Poll gives a breakdown of religion along with other demographic groups and shows Obama leading among Jews by a margin of 59 to 35 percent with six percent undecided. While that is still a majority it is a dramatic decline from the 78 percent of the Jewish vote he got four years ago.

Obama has a 46-44 percent lead over Romney in the TIPP poll. That means Obama is suffering from a decline in support throughout the electorate from his 2008 victory when he won 53 percent of the vote. But the president’s loss of approximately 25 percent of Jewish voters this year is not matched by a similar decline in any other demographic group.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2012polls; elections; jewishvote; obama; rromney
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1 posted on 09/11/2012 7:11:44 PM PDT by dervish
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To: SunkenCiv; justiceseeker93; SJackson

I hope this means Florida will go for Romney.


2 posted on 09/11/2012 7:15:30 PM PDT by dervish (ABO)
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To: dervish

Blowing off Bibi for Letterman may cut his support even more.


3 posted on 09/11/2012 7:15:59 PM PDT by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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To: dervish

What makes Jews support Democrats in such high numbers. Strange


4 posted on 09/11/2012 7:16:50 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: dalebert

Abortion.


5 posted on 09/11/2012 7:17:58 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: dervish

Promising, but let’s not get our hopes too high. For there will ALWAYS be a Christian conservative somewhere that will say something to the effect (as they have before): “We love Jews, that’s why we want to convert them to Jesus.”

Always seems to happen - maybe we’ll get lucky this time and not alienate them...


6 posted on 09/11/2012 7:18:16 PM PDT by BobL (You can live each day only once. You can waste a few, but don't waste too many.)
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To: Jewbacca

FYI ping.


7 posted on 09/11/2012 7:19:29 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: dervish
We should go after the youth, jewish, black and latino vote.

You know that we're missing in this country? Remember the debates William F Buckley and Milton Friedman would do on national TV back in the 60s, 70s and 80s? It's gone. We don't have anybody out there discussing conservatism on television anymore. Rush Limabugh and Mark Levin are the closest we have but they are on AM radio and it's not in a debate format.

It should be brought back.

8 posted on 09/11/2012 7:19:33 PM PDT by tsowellfan ("Real leaders don't follow polls. Real leaders change polls")
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To: dalebert

Bob answered it correctly; there has always been - and I’ve heard it - a fear that Jews would be forced to convert under a “Christian evangelical Republican” administration.


9 posted on 09/11/2012 7:20:29 PM PDT by TheBigB (Chris Matthews would scream racism at a bowl of Cheerios.)
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To: dervish

I can’t understand how 59% of any voting block would support Obozo after the last four years of tearing this country down.


10 posted on 09/11/2012 7:21:17 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier who has survived 24 months of Combat deployment.)
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To: dervish

I don’t see how anyone, especially Jewish, could study WW II and not fear centralized government and political hero-worship.


11 posted on 09/11/2012 7:22:47 PM PDT by A_Former_Democrat (Now a Chick-fil-A customer . . . God bless Dan Cathy)
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To: dalebert
What makes Jews support Democrats in such high numbers.

Well, a lot of them aren't very good Jews at all, but rather "secular jews"...whatever that means.

Strange

Boy I'll say, a bunch of wild-eyed P/M baby-killing socialists.

12 posted on 09/11/2012 7:23:24 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month.)
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To: dervish

Lets see. Romney is winning Independents by 10 point plus. 0bama is losing 35% plus of the Jewish vote. Republicans have highest number of people saying they are Republican........HOW THE HELL IS 0BAMA AHEAD????????


13 posted on 09/11/2012 7:23:24 PM PDT by GR_Jr. ("On Nov.6 I guess I will swallow that bitter pill called Mitt Romney...only to stop 0bama")
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To: tsowellfan
Rush Limabugh and Mark Levin are the closest we have but they are on AM radio and it's not in a debate format.

I guess O'Reilly or Hannity bomb throwing with Alan Colmes and/or Juan Williams doesn't count, then?

14 posted on 09/11/2012 7:23:44 PM PDT by ssaftler (Obama is not an option.)
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To: TheBigB

hahahhaha


15 posted on 09/11/2012 7:24:13 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: GR_Jr.

Unemployment.

Dems pay people not to work. At least until the money runs out.

So stop exporting jobs.


16 posted on 09/11/2012 7:26:57 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (America doesn't need any new laws. America needs freedom!)
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To: GR_Jr.

Really good question..how is Obama ahead..oh its battleground states dems keep talking about..


17 posted on 09/11/2012 7:27:07 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: GR_Jr.

Over-sampling Dems by 10346%


18 posted on 09/11/2012 7:28:57 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: dalebert

Mostly, its abortion. My Mom made some friends at a support group for Jewish women who are widowers and they ALL support Obama, when she asked them why she said it was because they didnt want Republicans taking away a woman’s “Right to have an abortion.” Even after the DNC delegates BOOED Israel, even after the horrible way Obama has treated Israel, I still saw on one of her friends facebook page two days ago a photo from “Women for Obama” yeah the idiot still supports him. When I told this to my Mom she said “What a dumb ass.”


19 posted on 09/11/2012 7:29:22 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: dervish

Those Jrws supporting 0bama wold probably vote for Hitler before Romney. They are a difficlt group that I cannot understand. A minority are very good people. A majority choose evil at every opportnity.


20 posted on 09/11/2012 7:29:42 PM PDT by MtnClimber (I did not vote for Zero. Someone else did that.)
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To: dalebert

Self loathing and self hatred.


21 posted on 09/11/2012 7:35:40 PM PDT by GOPsterinMA (The Glove don't fit, but it's better than a burqa.)
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To: GR_Jr.
Romney is winning Independents by 10 point plus. 0bama is losing 35% plus of the Jewish vote. Republicans have highest number of people saying they are Republican........HOW THE HELL IS 0BAMA AHEAD?

Because the highly-regarded, marvelous, proud, opulent, empyrean, majestic, deluxe, elevated, wondrous, rarified, noble-minded, eminent, grand, marvelous, distinguished, fantastic, exalted, revered, rarefied, sumptuous, high-minded, august, magisterial, sublime.....unenrolled moderates (independent voters) are too stupid to figure out which side they are on.

22 posted on 09/11/2012 7:36:01 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month.)
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To: dalebert
"Blowing off Bibi for Letterman may cut his support even more."

"What makes Jews support Democrats in such high numbers. Strange"

Do the Jews in America who support Obama also despise Netanyahu the same as Obama does? Do they also favor Arabs over Israelis in the constant Arab/Israeli conflicts same as Obama does? I don't understand what is going on with that.

23 posted on 09/11/2012 7:37:06 PM PDT by Reddon
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To: dervish

This is good news. At least some folks are finally pulling their heads out of the sand (or out of wherever they’ve had their heads inserted).


24 posted on 09/11/2012 7:40:42 PM PDT by faithhopecharity
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To: dervish

The real question is why he is getting that much.


25 posted on 09/11/2012 7:41:59 PM PDT by Ronin (Dumb, dependent and Democrat is no way to go through life - Rep. L. Gohmert, Tex)
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To: BobL

I am not sure whether you used the term “Christian” conservative as a descriptive term referring to a subset of conservatives or whether you meant it as a pejorative. In any case, I thought I would attempt to clarify some misinformation I perceived in your post.

First, Christians don’t believe they can convert anyone. They do believe that God by His grace converts people to a saving belief in His Son Jesus. Many Christians are eager to tell non-believers the Gospel, which is the good news about Christ. But again no Christian believes they are called to tie someone up in order to witness to them. They will never hold a gun to anyone’s head or in any way coerce them to listen much less believe. We get no special reward for a witness resulting in someone’s receiving God’s grace.

Sorry, I did not mean to lecture. You are free to believe whatever you want about God and Christians. However, you might try not to offend “Christian” conservatives because there aren’t enough of you “secular” conservatives to ever win a single ballot box without us. Haven’t you noticed the states commonly called the Bible Belt are all red states? And the states with the most non-church goers are blue?

It goes without saying that Christian conservatives also can’t win at the ballot box without the help of secular conservatives.

I hope you don’t take offense because none was intended but that all conservatives could come to understand each other better.


26 posted on 09/11/2012 7:42:48 PM PDT by Truth is a Weapon (Truth, it hurts so good.)
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To: ssaftler
I guess O'Reilly or Hannity bomb throwing with Alan Colmes and/or Juan Williams doesn't count, then?

No, but I do miss the Hannity and Colmes Show (though Colmes is a man I love to hate politically) as well as Equal Time with Oliver North and Paul Begala. These two shows were a great tool which shows the viewer the difference between the two parties. Neither program could compare to those we've seen of Buckley and Friedman.

I no longer watch Bill O'Reilly. He is NO William F Buckley Jr. and never will be. It's almost an insult to use his name in the same sentence.

27 posted on 09/11/2012 7:43:11 PM PDT by tsowellfan ("Real leaders don't follow polls. Real leaders change polls")
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To: dervish

Can’t fit a meeting in with Bibi because he has 18 holes scheduled again and again and again. A par 4 is much more important than a meeting with our best ally!


28 posted on 09/11/2012 7:48:28 PM PDT by Rembrandt (Part of the 51% who pay Federal taxes)
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To: GR_Jr.
Lets see. Romney is winning Independents by 10 point plus. 0bama is losing 35% plus of the Jewish vote. Republicans have highest number of people saying they are Republican........HOW THE HELL IS 0BAMA AHEAD????????

Answer: The Mitt Romney Campaign. If only he could go after Obama and the democrats like he did his opponents in the GOP primary he would be way ahead.

29 posted on 09/11/2012 8:01:13 PM PDT by HapaxLegamenon
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To: Truth is a Weapon

I don’t remember the details, but it wasn’t me, it was a very well-known Christian leader (like Jerry Falwell) that made that stupid comment. I just bring it up because a single stupid comment like that can cost the Republicans 1,000,000 votes and maybe cause them to lose the election.


30 posted on 09/11/2012 8:02:13 PM PDT by BobL (You can live each day only once. You can waste a few, but don't waste too many.)
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To: Sarah Barracuda

I noticed the Dems went all out for the idiot woman vote. we must have an abundance of them..screaming for free abortions and bc pills..lets just destroy the world for free abortions instead of using sensable bc. I’ve know girls who use abortion for bc. some had 8 by the time they are 30


31 posted on 09/11/2012 8:03:35 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: Sarah Barracuda

I noticed the Dems went all out for the idiot woman vote. we must have an abundance of them..screaming for free abortions and bc pills..lets just destroy the world for free abortions instead of using sensable bc. I’ve know girls who use abortion for bc. some had 8 by the time they are 30.who sleeps around that much?


32 posted on 09/11/2012 8:04:06 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: TheBigB

No one has ever been forced to “convert” to any religion under any president of the U.S. This is just a dumb fear and unsubstantiated.


33 posted on 09/11/2012 8:05:14 PM PDT by Catsrus
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To: dervish

If Romney gets 40% of Jewish vote that would beat 1980..by a hair I think


34 posted on 09/11/2012 8:07:17 PM PDT by wardaddy (this white hair don't cover up my redneck......)
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To: tsowellfan

“I no longer watch Bill O’Reilly. He is NO William F Buckley Jr. and never will be.”

I think the moniker “Ted Baxter” fits O’Reilly to a tee.


35 posted on 09/11/2012 8:07:45 PM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: BobL

What about how they alienate us?


36 posted on 09/11/2012 8:09:02 PM PDT by wardaddy (this white hair don't cover up my redneck......)
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To: Catsrus

I didn’t say it wasn’t. Just stating what I have heard personally.


37 posted on 09/11/2012 8:25:12 PM PDT by TheBigB (Chris Matthews would scream racism at a bowl of Cheerios.)
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To: tsowellfan

The youth have been perverted by our universities. Conservatives ignored this for the last thirty years, and the result is Obama.

While I agree that we should go after the youth, I don’t think they would watch the kind of show you are talking about. We need a conservative John Stewart.


38 posted on 09/11/2012 8:32:06 PM PDT by dervish (ABO)
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To: dalebert
What makes Jews support Democrats in such high numbers. Strange

The only single explanation is that those supporting hussein are for the most part secular Jews. Within that group of secular Jews are those who are anti-Zionists. Within the group of anti-Zionist Jews are the anti-Semitic Jews.

39 posted on 09/11/2012 8:39:47 PM PDT by fso301
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To: GR_Jr.

I keep staring at the electoral map here -— scary stuff

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/2012_elections_electoral_college_map.html

and even worse if you look at the “No Toss Ups”

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/2012_elections_electoral_college_map_no_toss_ups.html

The problem is that several large electoral states are locked in left


40 posted on 09/11/2012 8:39:57 PM PDT by dervish (ABO)
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To: wardaddy

I always thought if anyone could beat Carter’s Jewish vote loss it would be Obama.

It takes real talent to make some Jews flee you for a Republican.


41 posted on 09/11/2012 8:49:56 PM PDT by dervish (ABO)
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To: Reddon

Actually the answer to both of your questions is YES, many American Jews identify more with the hard core left than Judaism. They may have been born to Jewish parents but many do not have true Jewish values which I define as a belief in the One G-d and the divine origin of the Torah. They tend to be totally secular. I will call them “progressive” Jews. Some refer to them as Commie Jews, not a totally inappropriate description. They hate Netanyahu, are critical of Israel and many do support the Arabs rather than Israel.

Among Ultra-Orthodox Jews the picture is complicated by the fragmentation of that community into in a few sects that are virulently anti-Israel because Israel is too secular and they believe that Jewish sovereignty must await the coming of the Messiah. They are in the minority but they have no problem voting for an anti-Israel politician, although that is probably not their primary motive. They are mostly poor, uneducated and unemployed with large families and depend on government benefits, which the Democrats supply.

Still, there are many secular politically conservative Jews and Orthodox religious Jews who support and will vote for Romney. They love America and support Israel. I believe this election will see a large Jewish turnout for the Republican ticket.
Hope this explains some of the issues for you.


42 posted on 09/11/2012 9:02:11 PM PDT by DrKay
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To: dervish

Ignore RCP. They throw in a lot of Democrat polls (PPP, Quinipiac, Daily Kos) in their averages.

It boils down to a handful of states: CO, OH, NC, VA, FL. If Romney wins all the McCain states plus these 5 he wins.

VA and NC are starting to break Romenys according to two new polls.

FL is a real toss up, but might slightly lean Romney right now.

CO and OH are breaking in 0bama’s direction, but Romney can change that with a heavy does of realistic negative ads.

A lot of folks also think Romney has a shot to also pick off IA, WI, MI, PA, NH and NV. But I don’t think he does at this point. I’m not so sure he does though.


43 posted on 09/11/2012 9:02:43 PM PDT by GR_Jr. ("On Nov.6 I guess I will swallow that bitter pill called Mitt Romney...only to stop 0bama")
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To: DrKay

Torah, not Trotsky.

Torah, not Trotsky.

Torah, not Trotsky.

Torah, not Trotsky.

Torah, not Trotsky.

Maybe they should think about that for a while.


44 posted on 09/11/2012 9:13:38 PM PDT by QBFimi (When gunpowder speaks, beasts listen.)
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To: GR_Jr.

I also look at Rasmussen. He supports Republicans and his polling was the most accurate in 2008.

His numbers are scary too.

178 safe Romney
180 safe Obama

Here’s the bad part among the swing states

15 leans Romney
46 leans Obama

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/archive/2012_electoral_college_scoreboard

But I am sensing the possible beginnings of a shift. Obama sympathizing with the Islamists who trashed our embassies and killed an American in Libya and Egypt will also hurt him I think.


45 posted on 09/11/2012 9:16:48 PM PDT by dervish (ABO)
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To: QBFimi

LOL


46 posted on 09/11/2012 9:18:00 PM PDT by DrKay
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To: QBFimi; DrKay

Unfortunately I think their mantra is

Trotsky not Torah


47 posted on 09/11/2012 9:19:33 PM PDT by dervish (ABO)
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To: Gene Eric; Sarah Barracuda; fso301; BobL; dalebert

If it is abortion then how do you account for the perfect record preceding abortion, Jews have never voted republican.

The best republicans ever did was winning 45% of the Jewish vote in 1916.

Abortion had zero effect on the Jewish vote.


48 posted on 09/11/2012 9:23:13 PM PDT by ansel12 ( Aug. 27, 2012-Mitt Romney said his views on abortion are more lenient than the Republican Platform)
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To: ansel12

>> Abortion had zero effect on the Jewish vote.

BS


49 posted on 09/11/2012 9:26:26 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: dervish

So Ras has the essentially tied in the EV’s right now.

A small lead in a swing state means nothing right now for either side.

I was really down in the dumps over the weekend (read my posts) about 0bama’s “lead”. I’m seeing the light now. It’s not over at all.


50 posted on 09/11/2012 9:26:33 PM PDT by GR_Jr. ("On Nov.6 I guess I will swallow that bitter pill called Mitt Romney...only to stop 0bama")
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